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Spy360:
The enboldened is a silly assertion.

Can you compare Liverpool or Spurs with the resources City has? Personel and financial resources?
Stop diverting attention please.

The point here is that, Pep was overrated in what he was capable of achieving. This point remains valid until proven wrong.
This season for Pep is a failure. You don't have to admit it, its a fact that Pep won nothing. For now he carries the failure tag. When next season comes, we will also appraise him.

What resource did City have when they finished 4th last season? What resources do Barca have now when they could win only La Copa Del Rey? What resources did Leicester have when they won the EPL?

The use of the word "resources" is pretty armchair if you ask me. If I have all the resources in the world and not buy who I feel can help my team how will my "resources" come to bear?

The season for Pep is a failure according to you. Which means if he had won a Carling Cup he would not have failed. But that type of short term craving is why Leicester are nowhere today; they won for today and hoped it would carry over to another time but success does not work that way.

Atleast I am giving you the opportunity to quote me next season. There would be a marked improvement from this one and City will be palpably better than they were this season. In EVERY competition they would feature in, they would do significantly better than this one.

Can you say the same about Arsenal?

iPopAlomo:
Like the year 2010... when Schneider won everything winnable and came second in the world cup... only for Messi to be crowned world best... or you don't remember your history...

Who was 2nd and 3rd that year? If Sneijder did not make the podium at all how then was he cheated?

Spy360:
So with all those expectations you claim he didn't fail?

That was over 50% of pundits losing their bets over one man's head. Yet Pep didn't fail. Kontinu...

Did Poch fail last season or his first? Did Klopp fail his first season?

I admitted Pep won nothing and if he left City today, his time there would be regarded as a fail but since he is still there on contract it will be hasty to judge after this season.

I know you don't like him but Kenyans will say "Not yet Uhuru".

4dor is correct.

FSociety, you are the one missing the point.

Spy360:
All these stories hold no excuse whatsoever.

I mean he is Pep Guardiola isn't he? He just has to win with his record + hype.

This was what the pundits said before a ball was kicked this season...

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37040156

17 out of 33 said City would win, their only reason was Pep.

The Pundits don't know anything but you do. And you would always be right because you make your own analysis based on a result you have already seen. But hardworking Pundits have to project.

God punish them for being wrong.

All hail Wenger. 3rd best manager according to you behind only Conte and Poch.

Spy360:
Lets start with Conte.

Changing formation is a broader way of changing pattern of play. Conte did not just change formation or pattern but also players. He dropped Iva, moves Apsi to CB, introduced Moses, and moved Hazard to CAM. He won the league from there on.

Bellerin and Bonnuci? Must Pep buy other clubs stars to build his own to win? He could as well buy the entire Chelsea squad so as to win the league. Lame.

Unless you want to classify Pep with the likes of Rodgers, Laudrup and Ranieri, DON'T EVER MENTION THEM AGAIN.

To your first question.

For me and every other football fan, Pep's first season is a failure, and rightly so. Pelligrini didn't get the sack for Pep to come and have a free season. Pep came to do what Pellegrini couldn't do- win a treble, 'just as he as aclaimed to have always done'.

Pep is a fraud. Case closed.

You are trying too hard. Changing formation has nothing to do with pattern of play. Arsenal recently picked up 3-5-2 and 3-4-3 but don't play like Chelsea or Juve. Barca have used 3-4-3 even since Pep's days and they don't play like Chelsea.
Mou built that team as a defend first option and that was the foundation Conte built on. That's one.

Conte moved A here and B there. That is not just moot but superficial. When he moved Ake and John Terry against Watford did they not leak like a faulty tap? Yes, because personnel matters. If CFC had damning injuries and were forced to use Iva as RB they would have suffered in some games and it would not all be Conte's fault. That's how to be objective.

LOL. Bellerin is a star? And David Luiz, Batshuayi and Alonso were not stars for their former clubs?

Why you dey talk like pikin?

I mentioned those managers to show you a successful term is not based on one stint. Heck, RDM had resigned after winning the UCL and he would have been compared with Pep but TIME, TIME is what exposed him as a dud.

Pep's first season he did not win a title in England. To fail, he would have to end his tenure there today. If he does not and goes on to coach for subsequent seasons we would judge him a failure based on the integration of all his seasons put together.

Pep came to change the City footballing culture, playing style, dominance and team. City want to become a juggernaut not some has been like AFC. If he had done everything in one season you are the same person that would have said he did nothing but inherit a good team bla bla - after all, you are saying it about his time in Barca.

If he is a fraud, he is a better fraud than Wenger. Case closed.

iPopAlomo:
Ronaldo lifting La Liga has assured his Ballon d'of title...

So you're a Barca fan... no wonder you're living Fraudiola's ass... Facts remains he failed in England...

You mean like the year 2012/13 when CR7s RM were 2nd La Liga, Semis of UCL and lost in the finals of La Copa Del Rey but he was crowned WPOTY?

You mean the time they reopened voting for the award after he scored a hat trick to help Portugal qualify for the 2014 WC in the Playoffs meanwhile Messi had qualified Argentina as South America's top team plus he was the top scorer. Including winning La Liga with 100 points and 60 goals in All competitions compared to CR7s 51? Where CR7 had 34 La Liga goals to Messi's 46?

Don't. Kid. Yourself.

birdman:
Lue tries Lebron in different rotations, especially towards the end of the game. All playoffs, they have used garbage time to put Lebron and D will on the floor at the same time - these guys are focused on continually getting better. And it would have been a bad idea to sit Lebron out for too long. the Celtics made two really strong comeback rallies and cut that game to single digits.

Well, I did not watch the game sha so you have a point. Was surprised to see K Love and Kyrie clock 34mins and Bron clocked 42.

iPopAlomo:
Pep first season in Barca...

Pep first season in Bayern...

Pep first season in England...

Please compare and contrast...

And he be like say you don dey smoke something stronger than weed... Rodgers coached Swansea, Laudrup coached Southampton and Ranieri coached Chelsea... please... don't fool yourself... all coaches/managers within the capacity of their clubs never disappointed in the first season... you think say I no dey watch football nii...


I don't know where Laudrup is... but Rodgers moved on to win the Scottish premier league, Ranieri followed suit...


Pep... coming in with one of the strongest sides in the premiership still struggled to make top 4... even him... can't blame his misfortune in England on his aging RB & LB...

You are now mentioning Barca and Bayern yet the same you said anybody would have won trophies with those teams.

Stop OVER glorifying trophies judge things critically. Poch and Klopp have won nothing but you and Spy praise them for having good seasons even though LFC played Carling Cup and Europa finals last time and nothing this season.

United won Carling and may win Europa but you still troll them by showing them they regressed from 5th of last season to sixth - Because they were boring and drew a lot of games.

In the same way, judge City from their big game performances, chances created and prospects for a new season not just based on trophies.

As per Brendan (almost won a league 13/14) flopped hard the next year. Laudrup won Carling Cup with Swansea and flopped hard the next year. Ranieri won the EPL and flopped hard the next year. Carlo Ancelotti did the double and flopped hard the next year.

Don't. Judge. A. Manager. Over. One. Season.

One of the strongest sides? Yes. Which means there are others. Also, factor injuries into how things went. They missed Kompany, Gab Jesus, Gundögan etc at key times.

iPopAlomo:
Oga... he had six months to plan... he was announced last v year January... he had two transfer window to replace RB & LB... then a blank cheque... instead he brought in a calamity goal keeper, an inexperience defender, an injury prone midfielder, and six months into the season... a striker...

Pep failed in England... simple and short...

And do not being Conte into this... it's an insult to Chelshit fans... we best them 3-0 at the emirate that saw them changed their formation and turn the season around...

Pep did not win anything in his first season in England. Failed is finite. Wait till his tenure is up then judge. If we judged Jupp based one season in Bayern he failed as well.

Pep was tentative with his defense and rightly so. Besides he had targets but the transfers did not go through. He wanted Bellerin and Bonucci but their parent clubs did not let them go. Calm down.

I have nothing against Conte. But changing a formation and changing a pattern of playing are not the same. One is harder but brings longer lasting results.

I am not one to jubilate or be despondent over one season. Brendan Rodgers, Laudrup, Ranieri had one good season and got booted the next. A new formation will not make you a dynasty. Ask Carlo in CFC.

I am just seeing that LBJ played 42mins to get 38pts.

Naah, the dude is playing for his stats. He had no business playing for that long in a blow out game except that.

I hope his fans don't use fatigue as an excuse later when things go south for him.

Lordemperoris100:
Story story

Juve winning that UCL 1-0.

Mandzukic going to do the damage. Quote me.

sapiosexual1:
Lol loo lool, TLue is a genius too jare. Or is it just LeBron playing at a surreal level?

TLue can have a genius idea without being a genius (See DNA discoverers ). Surely a Sapiosexual someborri should know that.

Spy360:
Argue objectively.

You were the one who suggested improvements at Man City. I only asked what improvements. You said changing drastically would not be a good idea. For me, changing or no changing is not an excuse for Pep not to win a trophy. He said so himself, that if it were at Barca or Bayern he would have been sacked.

Pep was signed and paid millions to win titles for City. He had a blank cheque. He had the freedom of throwing Joe Hart out of the team just to bing Bravo who flopped. He signed about 4-5 other players. He has no excuse. Remember he is Pep Guardiola, world best manager and the conqueror of Europe.

Oh but changing drastically is an excuse. Did you see how CFC played against Watford until some first team starters were brought back? That is what a drastic change can do.

Pep will still get a better LB and RB (the types that can bomb forward and play defense) unlike what they have. Try to imagine Juve's season without Alves. Also the break creates more time for his players to imbibe his playing style - because it is beyond a formation.

At Barca or Bayern he would have been sacked? That also depends on what he had available and what the previous manager achieved. Improvements don't show up in only trophies. Jupp Heynckes was not sacked after going trophyless his first season.

He was signed to change City's style and culture. He does not only work on the tactics but also on player recruitment and rebuilding. His structure is still very much at Barca and Bayern till date. Just open your eyes and look. If his structures were ineffective, successive managers after him would have sought to dramatically change it but they don't.

I hope you know for example that Gundögan got injured early on. Gab Jesus (who has outscored Rashford in far less games) came in Jan and got injured. Nolito and Stones got injured at different times as well. They would have contributed more if they were not unfortunate.

Meanwhile, Joe Hart made a lot of gaffes as well in Torino. If I raised that as the reason City won nothing you are the same person that would have told me "if he knew Hart would be a problem, he should have changed Hart".

Allegri is going to win a treble this season. Did he do so in his first and second? Improvement.

Celts are like 1/16 from 3 and they are still trying to shoot. Getting killed on the boards as well.

Pathetic performance from everyone. I hope game 2 is going to be better. They have lost this one.

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sapiosexual1:
We thought pep G was a genius at Barca and Bayern. Now we know better.
The only active coach i can ascribe the genius tag to is Pop.
My 1kobo sha

Keep it man. We don't want to leave you broke.

bigkesh:
So If Juve win the UCL na Messi them go give?? ?? ??

Remember when I said Kante and not Hazard was CFC man of the year, you guys thought it was incredible. But the PFA agreed with me.

Let us watch and see this one (Provided RM don't win the UCL).

Spy360:
At the emboldened; Conte, Kante, Moses and other Chelsea players are looking at you and shaking their heads vigourously...

Arsenal won more points this season than last when they finished second. So forget points.

Even a Milk Cup would vindicate Pep's trophy-must claim. But then...

How would Pep improve this City team?

A. Train them.
B. Throw them away, and buy.

Conte did not change the structure dramatically. He used basically the same team he inherited bar Alonso and Kante.

What you want is for Pep to change every single leg in areas he sensed needed improvements but only a coach eyeing 1 season would do that.

Remember when Fergie won the league with CR7 and Rooney in 2007? He said it was tentative. He wanted to test out that team to see areas he needed to change quickly but how soon they won the league made him know he had a dynasty on his hands.

Remember how they were walloped by AC Milan in the semis of the UCL, Lost to CFC by a Drogba goal in the FA Cup and won the league title? It gave him an indication that they could win a treble if he improved a few areas - including mentality.

He signed Owen Hagreaves, Tevez and United were an FA Cup short of winning a treble.

So what will Pep do; get some bad legs out and replace them then train his players more on his system and philosophy.

You say AFC have more points now than they did last season, and you are right, but you did not add that you were 2nd then and now 5th while City that were 4th will now finish 3rd.

You did not add that City lost to Tot, Leicester, Westham, Liverpool home and away while taking a point from United and Arsenal. Scored less and conceded more than this season and so on.

Tot were 3rd last and 2nd now and you praise Poch for it but City actually moved up a notch and you hound the manager but praise Wenger for regressing AFC by finishing 5th because of the potential of winning the FA Cup. LOL

Spy360:
The world should apologise to Pelegrini.

You can't change a team in one fell swoop. If you change a structure too abruptly you would fail more.

Pochettino was 5th, 3rd and now 2nd. Crashed out of UCL and Europa. Won nothing. Great season.
Pellegrini was 1st, 2nd and 4th (with 66pts).
Pep is a position and 9pts better with a game to spare. There would definitely be improvements next season. You can mark this post.

Don't celebrate trophyless as you would have downplayed Carling or even FA Cup had he won them. He failed in the league and UCL. Period.

As long as Juventus win the UCL, he won't win it.

I told you fellow Blaugranas, Let us channel our chakra towards that game so that Allegri will win a treble and the rightful owner of the WPOTY, Leo Messi, will take what belongs to him.

Afterall 51>39.

SIRcumalot:
I picked that 07 championship for a reason. I could have gone with any of the ships that came before.


this no join the main talk which is the roasting of Kerr.
I think Kerr is too humble to take credit for the warriors dominance.
people still dey doubt doc rivers actual contribution to the 08 Celts ring.
but the warriors as we know them since 14-15 won't happen without Kerr.
maybe genius is too far but his a fine coach.

Eruditor:
Mike Brown told journalists that it was Steve Kerr's idea to give Pat McCaw, Iggy's minutes. The idea ended up being genius.

The shrunken and emboldened word is what I praised as genius.

SIRcumalot:
u know say no be their prime be that. maybe the 07 championship.
you just gats forget Leonard.

Well I get the point but it is neither here nor there. Without Timmy, Spurs don't get to the WCF. Without Parker they don't win the WCF. Without Kawhi they don't win the finals- he was MVP for a reason.

Donlittle:
Kerr gave mcCaw Iggy minutes? I misunderstood you but I still stand by my point. There is nothing genius about beating the spurs with two of their best players out. The series should have been a sweep even with kawhi still playing, with kawhi been out, which kind genius the guy need again?

Yeah I guess 4 HOF in their prime was on Phil jax or pop team at the same time.

The genius is not in beating the Spurs my good man. It is the decision to deploy the least likely player (going by the last series) to cause severe havoc to a great defensive outfit. It is genius because it was clever and yielded unprecedented results.

Like Timmy, Parker, Manu and Kawhi of 2013/14?

Kerr. Gave. McCaw. Iggy's. Minutes.

That's what I praised as genius.

Phil Jax and Pop used atleast 4 HOFers each to win rings but I get your point.

Mike Brown told journalists that it was Steve Kerr's idea to give Pat McCaw, Iggy's minutes. The idea ended up being genius.

Pop does this and they would write blogs about it telling us how intelligent he is (which he is). But Kerr's own is always because he has good players.

"Lately, I feel the haters eating away at my confidence. They scream out my failures and whisper my accomplishments" - Aubrey Graham.

I am not watching the 2nd half.

Not trying to be arrogant or anything but I doubt we would let this slip.

SmooshCHN:
Why do you think the Wizards are mentally weak? Just asking.

I am sure when you made this post the scoreboard read 76-72 in favor of The Wizards and this was in the 3rd Q. Only moments after they were down 94-81.

That is why they are a mentally weak team; When the pressure is on, like graphite, they crack.

My only prayer now is that Brad Stevens devises a playing style that can forestall Cavs 3s and force LBJ to make jumpers. The good thing is, between Celts and Wiz, Celts would enjoy homecourt advantage over the Cavs. Let us hope they make it count.

Decale:
Lol

You're comparing Houston to Golden State Warriors. Moreover, this was not a 2/3 day well thought out game plan but rather an in game decision that wasn't gonna change the offensive disability

Prior to that injury, he's the game's overall leading scorer

Doubt me?
Look at this...

You are right but GSW were playing worse than you had ever seen them and Kawhi had 11FTs in 24mins. He was also 1/4 from 3.

I am saying this because they ended the game 7/22 from 3 (and 3 of those 3s came in the 3rd Q including the 2 fortuitous attempts by LMA and Simmons). In other words, they did not shoot the 3 well yet the 3ball kept them in the running in that quarter when Curry was knocking his. Would it have continued?

Their intensity dropped, they did not outrebound GSW in the 2nd half and the trend before he limped off was showing this was bound to continue.

They dealt with GSW in the paint but Gasol had to step out due to fouls and once LMA got doubled he lost his rhythm.

Surely, if Kawhi was still playing he would have been a strong option but it did not appear he would have been as a threat from 3. If he relied on drawing fouls it may have failed too, refs stopped giving Spurs easy fouls as the game wore on. Besides, GSW were always going to make a run.

Now I am not saying GSW would have definitely won had he been there but the notion that Spurs would have definitely won had he been there is a bit of a stretch - I think.

We also have to factor that Pop is an intelligent man. His team was up 21 (before the 2 FTs from the Kawhi/Zaza debacle) and Kawhi had rolled a niggling ankle injury yet Pop left him on. I think he did that because in that 3rd Q it was clear the trend was changing.

Again I am not saying GSW were going to win but the argument can be made that a top defensive unit like SAS should be able to see out a game that they were leading by 23pts even without their best player.

Decale:
You should know that their primary scorer missing did them in.

You can't improvise that kind of game plan

Warriors are having it easier with injuries this post season

They beat Houston by 39pts without him and saw out game 5 before that, without him as well.

2 things that worked against them were;

1. Gasol on 5 fouls early in the 3rd, could not form part of the twin tower that wrecked Houston and GSW (quarters 1-3) with paint buckets and rebounds.

2. GSW were in momentum defensively and offensively just before he rolled the ankle. LMA and Simmon's shot-clock-ending 3s were rather fortuitous if you would agree, meanwhile Curry was matching them with his, in rhythm.

It was unfortunate what happened to Kawhi and I pray he returns for game 3 as I doubt he would be back by game 2 but Curry gets stepped under virtually everytime he shoots a 3 and nobody calls it dirty play. The refs never even give him a foul. In fact, after Kawhi's ankle got rolled the second time by Zaza, LMA stepped under Curry but the refs did not bat an eyelid.