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Klay shoots slightly better today and we win easy. We also have to do a better job at defending McCollum and Lilard. 73 points between 2 players is not good.

The fouls they let on Curry that they would give him when he reciprocates needs to stop. Some of them were ridiculous.

1-0. Tough series. Very very tough.

Draaaaaaymooooond DPOTY!

Loving this line up.


Oh Green why did you miss that dunk?

This is not the defense we played in the regular season. Klay also missing wide open looks. Lilard and McCollum still playing like crazy. How long will it last?

Too many TOs. If we can bring it down we would get some distance.

SIRcumalot:
which call be that again o
make i watch mccollum and lillard roast una small.

McGee's block, the fouls on Curry (2 Personals now), ball off McCollum they give Portland etc.

McCollum is balling sha. Making tough shots. Let us see how long he can sustain it.

If we talk, they will say we are complaining too much.

SmooshCHN1 where are you?

^^

Over-ruled. Only commenting

birdman:
I expect pacers to win 1 or 2 games off of p george's brilliance. Pacers made some last minute mental mistakes like that last timeout. Cavs escaped with experience this game

Cavs had too many open looks and missed a ton of Free throws. Except Pacers play with more tact than I saw today, they would probably lose 4-1.

birdman:
The young bucks team was clearly not scared of the raptors. If raps thought the bright lights of the playoffs will make bucks wilt, they know better now. I don't see bucks repeating this performance

It was close till the 3rd quarter. I am just looking for potential matchups for the Cavs and neither of the teams on display can do that.

Spurs close it up.

35-34 in favor of Memphis. The Bench of Memphis sucks and Randolph is having a horrific game.

Seems Bucks might upset Toronto in their series.

Memphis on the otherhand are looking way too athletic for SAS.

22-9 as I type this.

zopaks:
Awful news....sister of Boston Celtics ' Isaiah Thomas was killed in a one-car accident early Saturday morning.

Wow.

kcluv2men:
Hmmm...maybe it's my location but i doubt strongly.

It could be.

I agree.

Long series loading.

Edit: that PG should have received the ball back.

kcluv2men:
Of course, i got it from playstore.

I am asking because there were a couple of fake ones. It is working perfectly for me.

kcluv2men:
Downloaded but it isn't loading. I don't know why. I am on mobdro now but not clear enough and i don't know what station is showing the boston game. Anyone has an idea

Sure you are downloading the right one? Did you try to download it from playstore? It may not work if not from playstore.

Atleast we know Khloe Kardashian did not take Tristan Thompson's strength.

kcluv2men:
Guys, please what link can i use to stream games live?

Download Kwesé if you have an android. The games are much clearer than they would be on Mobdro.

SmooshCHN1:
Does everything have to revolve around Westbrook?
I just watched and reviewed throughout the whole season and he outplayed all these MVP candidates and plays great on both ends of the court. The only reason he isn't averaging TDs is because it's all numbers and he's too busy playing offense and real defense while having the best record of all other candidates.

Kawhi is a system player so many feel he may not be that dynamic without the system. To add to that, he is less flashy and more discipline than the the other MVP candidates. But more than all of that, what works against Kawhi is the fact that Spurs appear like they can win a lot of games even without him.

A40:
Anybody that watched that game can understand why Neuer was rushed back. Also you can't compare a goalkeeper who covers less ground to an outfield player, a winger for that matter who needs to cover a lot of ground while dealing with a Knee injury. That I have to explain all this can be very frustrating

What is the rationale behind mentioning a Gundogan that had been injured since October? Why would I be talking about Vidal and Lewa getting injured in August when you have time to tweak your formation, buy players and what not. How do you compare that to a player that missed a game on the eve of it. When that player has scored almost 60per cent of your goals. Both are bad but one is significantly worse than the other. I don't believe I have to be explaining this to any experienced pundit

Ferguson and Mancini did not outspend their rivals Uncle!! If Pep is sacked tomorrow his stay in England would have been adjudged a failure. Emi o raye ejo. That is the fact on ground.

As for Carlo when I have seen sufficient reason to attack him I will. When Pep was hired you no defend him signing reach me so cool down well well

LOL. I am not astonished that Neuer was rushed back. You claimed Carlo did not want to rush Costa back as your excuse for defending him for starting an older Ribery. And I am adducing Neuer's rushed return as a reason your excuse does not work. If Carlo was confident in Costa as he was in Neuer he would have rushed him back. Lewa will be rushed back as well on Tuesday even though he will cover a lot of ground with an aching shoulder.

In otherwords Carlo started who he trusted and your constant reference to Ribery's age won't work.

I have not contested Lewa's importance because I saw what he could do before he got injured. In the same way I can make the same argument for Gundogan and Jesus before they got injured. Tweak anything you want to tweak, the replacement for Lewa will not be as good because at the moment, he is the best at what he does. You make the argument for Carlo but are quick to talk about Pep's signings. Forgetting that Sané started off injured- same as Gundogan who played for a bit then packed up for the rest of the season. Jesus came in January and got injured 4 games in. 3 of these players account for almost £100M that he spent.

Fergie and Mancini? Hahahahahahahaha. Don't go there they outspent everyone.

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-mancini-faces-325m-manchester-859046.amp

A40:
Alonso is 35. If age does not matter Zidane would still be playing, Alcantara played no role in Barca's CL win, Modric and Kroos have two CL titles between them. And most importantly are still in their prime age or at least a good age for a CM.

You say WTF is a Casemiro, Modric and Kroos combo? Well that combo are the defending CL, Super cup, Club world cup and La Liga table leaders. Unless you show a midfield trio operating at that frequency right now then just do like The Roots and don't say Nothing

Dominance that actually led to a goal and a PK

Is Suarez in form? Shey players can't go through droughts over the course of a season because your arguments are borderline confusing now. Aguero struggled with his form at City should we blame that on Pep like your gang are trying to pin Boateng and Costa's form on Carlo. Robbery causing havoc vs Dortmund does not make them favorites going into a tie vs BBC. Didn't Steph Curry struggle at certain points in the regular season?

Carlo's tactics did not tell Javi Martinez to pick two bookings in 5 minutes. One can tell the difference between picking senseless bookings and tactics gone south. And also FYI conceding from setpieces is also sort of an indictment on the coaching, in the previous round Man U also scored from setpieces.

Did you watch the first 15 mins of that match? Did you think the corners and free kicks came from space? I would bring up Pep at City when I sense you are trying to be intellectually dishonest.

All this grammar is unneccessary sef till Tuesday tbh

Alonso has 3UCL final appearances. He has won 2. A world cup, 2 Euros. Alcantara played a game for Barca in the 10/11 UCL tell another tale. He won 4 La ligas. Also won super cup and world club cup plus a Euro trophy. Vidal won titles with Juve and Chile. And they are bundesliga table leaders. This combination is what you are comparing to Casemiro (coming back from a loan to Porto, Modric and Kroos)?. No way. Spin another tale.

Dominance that led to a loss.

I do not understand what Pep has to do with anything in my post and that you are responding to. Another distraction I have to ignore. Robben and Ribery causing Havoc against Dortmund totally places them as favorites ahome (where they have not lost since 2014 in the UCL) against a BBC that had not scored in almost forever.

Sure conceding from setpieces is an indictment on the coach but conceding a goal by CR7 which then forces Bayern to come out to get another goal thus allowing Madrid to counter-attack which necessitated Javi's fouls on CR7 (To stop the counter attack) is not an indictment on the coach.

Did Madrid 2 days ago not have like 3 corners in the first half too? Did they not have freekicks too?

A40:
Are you expecting Carlo to win the exact same number of points Pep did, because unless Carlo finishes 2nd your argument is hardly relevant. My adjudging Pep a fraud is not on the back of 1 season at Bayern afterall did you see me calling him fraud after the Madrid loss. Besides Carlo has never paraded himself to be some tactical savior or genius anyway. I am going with the assumption that you know what a fraud actually means

Pato, Emerson, Aubameyang. Hahahahaha are those the signings an aging team trying to defend a CL title should make? Did you know Pato and Aubameyang in 2008? You played yourself by even attempting to list those guys. Now compare to Pep who bought Stones, Bravo, Gundogan, Nolito, Sane, Jesus to a CL semi winning team and couldnt get past Monaco and is still marooned in 4th. You don't have a prayer

CFC became elite four seasons ago? Man you need a history lesson. The same Chelsea who as at 2009 had played 5 CL semis, a Final and should have gotten to another one if not for Ovrebo is who you are claiming just became elite in 2013? You are making me lose appetite for this debate

PSG are the Man United of France. I can also say Cotonsport Garoua is the Man United of Cameroon. When was the last time a French side got to a CL final? Mexico sef is the Man United and Brazil of CONCACAF. Pedigree ko F5 ni. A team with only 1 CL semifinal to its name. They have played more CL games? Lmaoo have they played as many games or scored as many goals as Arsenal? Either way you spin it sha your goose is cooked because it means Pellegrini beat PSG with an inferior side. Another fail for Fraudiola.

Person finish 4th you say he get higher points, Like pikin wey no know book but you say he get fine handwriting. Carlo is on course to at the very worst match Pep unless he fails to win the DFB Pokal. Can we call Carlo a fraud? I might call him that if he fails to get to a CL Final at Bayern after 3 seasons. City's signings got to a semifinal its in their history. Fraudiola outspent all his rivals in the league. He is 4th! Went to Europe lost to small boys from Monaco.Chai

There was a 1st leg. That first leg formed the basis for Arsenal not needing a win in the 2nd leg to advance. Lehmann, Gallas, Toure were some of the experienced heads that helped Arsenal keep a clean sheet against an aging Milan side. Hell Almunia played in a CL Final FFS

Because both games had different circumstances. You admitted we dominated the game and an objective mind would tell the game was balanced till the sending off. This did not happen with Pep

Ajax as a collective had achieved more than Monaco. They were captained by a multiple CL winner. I threw the immaterial line to end that chapter

Iniesta can still produce? A player that went a full year without a goal or assist not too long ago. You are in LA-LA land if you think Iniesta is not going downhill from here. Father time is undefeated

Age is a factor but not the sole reason Robbery did not perform. I have been screaming for Bayern to get wing forwards for quite a while now. However the stick most Bayern fans used to flog Pep was not ROBBERY's utilization but our defensive organization and our tedious and predictable build up play which is a far cry from how we were set up under Jupp, Stop imagining things

Boateng suffered adductor injuries at the Euros, injured his shoulder and you are talking about how his form dropped under Carlo. Costa shone for half a season last season and vanished in the new year and you are claiming his form dropped under Carlo. When would you people stop lying?

Hahaha Pep gets credit for inventing the false 9, building Messi but no blame for mismanaging Goetze's talent. Hehehehe

You defended the players, took blame only for you to reveal that the players made you switch your tactics in your book. I now see why Zlatan wanted to slap his face into next week. He changed his tactics because the players said so? I have never heard such hogwash in my life. In the subsequent seasons teams have been using his desired tactics what has been the result?

Carlo has lost more games, scored less goals and now add the RM loss.

This is what is very intellectually dishonest- Pato, Aubemayang were signed at the same age as Sane and Gabriel. There are other names like Ibrahim ba etc. They were added to City (4th and Semis) same as Milan (3rd and Winners) but somehow Milan should be allowed to finish 5th and 2nd round to inferior AFC while City should finish first and win the UCL. I can keep doing this but you would keep changing the terms and conditions.

I cannot believe you are asking me when last a french team got to a final as your defence of the City /PSG argument. So because CFC got to a final in 2012 Leicester is elite? Or because ATM got to a final, Sevilla is elite in the CL? SMH

I have just shown you that PSG is the most decorated team in France. The richest. Only 1 of 2 french teams to win anything in Europe. Have been seeded top team in Europe between 1994-98. What is in Man City's 2-page history?

And Yes CFC was only recently treated as a Pot 1 team going by the old rules. I remembered Mou complaining in 2007 or so that CFC had consistently gotten to the semis since 2003/04 yet they kept getting into Pot 2 and facing Barcelona and co in the group stages while AFC were always in Pot 1. It was a few years after that they became a Pot 1 team. I only hazarded a guess and said 4 years because they were UEFA champs in 2012. If they got topseeded it did not happen earlier than 2007.

See what I mean? Now you have gone to first leg as if Milan could not have drawn the 2nd leg 0-0. And what about Almunia? A back-up keeper comes on because Lehman is red carded...I am lost like what is happening here? Aging Milan that won the UCL only a year before?

Game was balanced till the sending off? Hahahaha. So the tie was not balanced until Ramos scored 2 headers against the run of play?

Ajax experience must always be juxtaposed with the team they played against which is Milan. That is how you can compare Monaco to City. Milan was far more experienced than Ajax and still lost. RM far more experienced than Porto and still lost. So the experience talk for City is dead and buried.

I am not debating Iniesta. Thanks.

Where did I mention Pep and utillization? You are the one imagining things. I am showing you that Robben and co did not play as well as they did against AFC and Dortmund. What is your defence of Carlo for this? What are you now changing topic for by bringing Jupp, defense and predictability.

Hahaha. I am laughing hard @ Costa and Boateng. I can bring comments of fellow Bayern fans echoing the same statements I made but no need.

Ok he mismanaged Gotze? Fine. Carlo nko? Since Pep is a fraud. Carlo and Tuchel?

But he beat Barca and ATM (Simeone called the hardest tie of his career) or the teams played rubbish in those games?

airmark:
Next time dont put my moniker in your post, stay on your lane. You dont need to waste words putting me in your katikati posts, when essential points are there for you to go straight to.

Perhaps you read me wrong. You and him are used to exchanging acerbic posts between yourselves because you are friends and I am telling him he does not need to go down that lane with me. If you saw it as an insult, I apologize as it was unintended.

A40:
Bros we lost to City at HOME under Pep. If you don't know you don't have to argue.

You have not given a cogent reason as to why Vidal, Thiago and Alonso (35) are better than Casemiro, Modric and Kroos. Ohh so you agree we dominated in the 1st half. What makes Bayern's midfield better than CL winning Madrid who are also topping their league this year. A league good enough to produce 3 quarterfinalists

BBC have combined for 2 CL's in just 3 years and you are talking about form. Why have Barcelona, Atleti and co failed to overtake them if their form is so poor. Did it occur to you that Bale marking Ribery might have been his brief you know as an ex fullback

I am telling you for the umpteenth time stop bringing up group stage games. They prove nothing.

You claimed a few posts ago that Carlo's tactics didn't work yet you are now here gushing about how our midfield outplayed Madrid. Did you expect Bayern to dominate Real Madrid the entire 90 mins? Is that humanly possible?

What does speed have to do with when a player just has to retire out of old age. How fast is Xavi? Why isn't he still at Barca. This your story no dey add up.

Pressing? Shebi this same Kroos was at Bayern when we lost 4-0. Madrid that didn't press all game why didn't they lose? Orisisisi

See the arguments about the players? You are the one who is almost dancing palongo. Even if you wanted to use trophies- Alonso, Alcantra and Vidal have numerous league titles, a world cup, Euro, 2 Copa Americas, UCLs etc between them. I am now getting a tad disappointed because I am getting the sense that you are arguing for the sake of it. WTF is a Casemiro, Kroos and Modric combo compared to them?

Why are you asking me about if Bayern dominated the midfield in the first half? Did I ever disagree that they did? Was Pep not dominating games against RM?

So BBC winning 2 UCLs in 3 years means they were in form going into this game? Reconcile the logic that produced this statement please. CR7 0 goals in 11hrs UCL wise. In the league, can't remember when last he scored. Same for Bale and to some degree Benzema. Robben and Ribery just caused serious havoc to Dortmund a few days before and they are not in form? Müller's season just started making sense in the last few games. Whoever is posting through this moniker needs to give it back to the real A40 please.

Yes I said I expected you to say Carlo's tactics did not work the way you blamed Pep when RM scored from 2 set pieces. I am surprised I still have to explain to you that I am here to show you that what you criticized Pep for, you are willing to let Carlo off the hook so easily for.

Madrid did not need to dominate. Luck shone on their way and they scored 2 goals from Ramos headers making the tie 3-0. Now Bayern must come out to play without caution and Madrid scored another goal from a counter attack. The whole tactics was upturned by 2 early Sergio Ramos goals. You knew all these but blamed Pep and now I am asking you to blame Carlo too or accept that these things could happen and you are doing neither but instead bringing Pep up in City.

A40:
Naa, 2-1 or 3-2 would do just fine.

Nobody is spinning anything. Nobody is giving excuses. You are imagining things. Costa fresh out of knee injury, let's rush him in the game so he can get injured again.

As mad as most Bayern fans were at the time nobody really slaughtered Pep till after the World cup when we saw what Bayern players were capable of.

Lol e say na big picture. So why are you here after one leg? If we go on to win the treble or CL under Carlo what would the hootin and hollerin have been about? This na real confusion. And before you reply for Pep at City remember say na una start am

If Gündogan was fit? Gündogan? I'm sleep yo. Add his goals with that of Jesus multiply it by 3 and tell us how many it amounts to and let's compare with Lewa and Kimmich

Pep is languishing in 4th having outspent his rivals in a league Carlo won at his 1st attempt, Pellegrini did the same and you are telling us tales by moonlight. How do you define improvement? What has City improved at? They are still 4th, were knocked out in the 2nd round of the CL, Compare to Carlo who is in the same position as Pep in the league, facing the same Madrid albeit at an earlier round. What exactly has Pep done better?

In what warped alternative universe can anyone attach improvement to what Pep is doing at City. He is even benching the keeper he used his own koro koro hands to buy after causing a needless crisis in goal

So Neuer was not rushed back?

The fact is you understand my point but there is an inexplicable mist that is preventing you from accepting something so clear as day that your responses are ebbing almost away from common sense.

All the hypotheticals are adding a tiring sensation to your posts. Everything I am saying is based on status quo. I expected you to be as frontal with Carlo as you were with Pep but the excuses are sounding conjectured. For instance, if Lewa and Vidal got injured after their 5th game this season will anyone be amiss to say Bayern missed their contributions? What will be your response to someone who said Lewa + Vidal is not up to the goals CR7 scored when both players in question only played 5 games before their injury?

So Ferguson and Mancini that did not win the EPL in their first seasons are failures? What sort of illogic is that? Like I said, this discourse has veered off too far from Carlo and Bayern so I would leave all the excesses on City for the sake of the central issue which is- in every angle, as far as Bayern is concerned under Carlo so far they have underwhelmed in many instances including losing to RM ahome in an important game. I am curious as to why instead of placing the club above any individual and scathing Carlo as you did Pep you are almost imagining reasons to let him off. It simply shows (and even though it is your prerogative) that a lot of the bashing-punditry that one or two directed toward Pep here was emotive piffle. I think my point has been made.

purplekayc:
and why was Muller and Alonso taken off?

Vidal too was misbehaving

Muller is not an out and out striker. He plays better off a target man or from the wide as a wing forward. After the red card, Muller had no chance of helping his team as his positioning was not following what was expected of a target man in that sort of game. That is why I agreed Bayern missed Lewa. In the game, at some point, Sergio Ramos asked Marcelo and Carvajal to move forward and join the attack. He felt himself and Nacho could handle everything because Muller kept dropping deep or coming forward and being isolated. Bayern started depending on Robben for the attack.

As Madrid midfield got more confident and moved up, Alonso became a weaklink because of his lack of pace and defensive frailties. Carlo feared he would get a silly yellow trying to hold unto Modric who started getting in his element.

Vidal is erratic. What makes him great makes him silly.

A40:
You are here genuflecting on the first leg loss when we are not even out of the tie yet. If Bayern advance won't you come here to tell us 'but Bayern lost in Munich'

We lost to BATE in our treble year. Maybe I used the wrong word. Eliminate. City should be eliminating Monaco. Happy?

I'm telling you the average Bayern fan did not share your confidence. Bayern were home? What does home and away have to do with teams like Bayern, Madrid, Barca? How is 35 year old Alonso and Vidal better than Modric and Kroos? What kind of dubious analysis is this.

Ribery, Robben and Müller matchup evenly with BBC. In what universe. Better run of form? Le le oh Chineke

You rely too much on punditry and it makes me wonder if you watch these games. Madrid topping La Liga. The toughest league in Europe? If pundits tell you to bleach shey you go bleach.

Ancelotti won the double in England in his debut season. Infact unless Pep wins the FA cup his debut season in England would have been a colossal disaster.

Of course you qualified. With the help of a despotic ref. Its not a coincidence that Ovrebo's career went to shyte after that game

How is consoling someone an admission of guilt? Are you some kind of Occupational Therapist. How do you know this.

What are you on about? Didn't we lose to Chelsea, Arsenal under Jupp? To City under Pep? Did anyone give him drama? Anybody can lose at home. Don't lose 4-0 is what we are saying

Did you lose to City ahome? No. That 3-2 was away after you led 2-0 and then got the red card. That is why YOU pardoned him. Besides you had qualified and City had not. I have made my point clear about BATE BORISOV and co. The only thing I will touch here is the BBC and Alonso etc debate.

Yes Alonso, Vidal, Thiago are better than Casemiro, Kroos and Modric. Now because you lost you won't see it but when you were spinning them dizzy with sleek passes first half and dominating the midfield you did not see that those kids of Madrid were the sons of the Bayern midfield. So much so that Zidane made CR7 and Bale sit deep to help weather the storm.

As per BBC and Robben, Ribery and Muller I stand by what I said. BBC have not exactly been in form. They could not beat Dortmund and the Bayern trio made light work of Dortmund. CR7 is not much of a winger anymore and what exactly did Bale do all game except Mark Ribery?

This is not just about referencing pundits. I watch games deeply especially when I am interested in the outcome. Alonso maybe 35 years old but he never played football by running up and down so his age does not matter except someone pacy was trying to run past him. Vidal is a B2B midfielder and he frustrated Casemiro in the first half. Thiago Alcantra has been a revelation not only this season but even before barring injuries. He was swallowing Kroos in the first half.

Kroos, Modric and Casemiro came into the fray in the 2nd half and Kroos said why: "we noticed that Bayern don't press you all game like they used to under Pep". That was why they could overwhelm Bayern and then Javi picked the red card which showed that Carlo had no plan B.

A40:
Where did I say it was a Carlo vs Pep debate? Why would I try to convince a Barca fan that Fraudiola is not the best thing since Jameson and Sprite

Haha now you are being clever by half. Who did Milan add to their squad let's compare that with City. You think you are arguing with your maiguard

15 times? Why not 1,500. Hahaha I go die oh! You mean Arsenal the laughing stock of England. When did Chelsea start playing in the Champions League. Na by that one? Give a definite reason why PSG is a cut above City in 2017

Why are you bringing up irrelevant group stage results. City didn't even finish ahead of Barca so what improvement are you talking about. Be consistent brah. Who is hoping for moral victories where I talk that one? Ye ma paro mo mi mehn

What are you chatting about? What has Pep done to arrest the decline you speak of despite freshening up the squad. Were Chelsea on the up when Carlo took over? Yet he won the league buying Ramires. Ramires FFS!

Pep bought Stones, Bravo, Gundogan, Nolito, Sane, Jesus. Met KDB, Sterling. City is still 4th and got knocked out by Monaco and you are still claiming he has improved City. Are you hearing yourself at all?

I meant Pep individually took his worst L in England

You want us to ignore Lehmann who did his job by keeping a clean sheet in the first leg. Nehi nehi

You are gleefully judging Carlo after 1 leg but we can't judge Pep who has had a mediocre season thus far. Lewl

Ajax had players with World Cup experience, CL experience and players that had won TITLES at AJAX. Whether Ajax lacked experience is immaterial

You claimed Enrique is using Iniesta wrong. I am telling you Kolarov was also being used wrong.

Dortmund not Ingolstadt. Costa has been out for weeks, Coman has not been up to scratch as any Bayern fan can attest. Stating facts

I already accepted that Pep is a fraud who messed things up in Bayern. I am now asking you if Carlo is one too because he is not outdoing Pep.

All those comments about maiguard are unnecessary because this is not airmark arguing with you. Apart from the question about who Milan added being pleonastic to the discourse, it will not make your case for you as they had won the UCL only the season before. But for Pete's sake they added Pato, Emerson, Aubemayang these names I reeled off the top. I am sure they got a defender or 2. So if you are going to excuse them again you can not with a straight face make a case against City.

CFC just became elite like 4 seasons ago. That is when they started getting into top draws in the UCL. I cannot talk about AFC as you would know about their reputation considering you used to be a fan. What I won't do though is debate City vs PSG as I am sure you know better and are only trolling. But let me again assume you are not joking: PSG are the Manchester United of France; most successful in trophies. So are you still asking me how City measures up with them in terms of pedigree? They have won more trophies than City from last 3 years into 2017. They have played more UCL games and won more in the same time span. They have scored more goals, and gotten to more KO rounds than City. City is like Leicester to them. Let me stop here.

Irrelevant group stage result? Beating Barca? Needing the win to qualify for the next stage? Hahahaha.

Did City not sign Mangala, Otamendi, Bony, KDB, Sterling etc before? Why did Pellegrini finish 4th with lower points than Pep? If you do not see the work he has begun in City that is fine. He is a fraud. Ancelotti in Bayern is not doing any better. He won with Ramirez? Ok. He got sacked too with Ramirez but this is not about Carlo in CFC. What has he done to Bayern? Answer on marble.

No Pep lost 4-0 in Munchen. Also lost 4-1 to Wolfsburg. Lost 4-0 to Barca with City too. All distractions. Pep is a fraud. How is Carlo the non-fraud doing?

I mentioned a game to show you a relatively inexperienced Arsenal side beat Milan 2-0 in San Siro. You mention Lehman. I remind you Lehman did not play in San siro then you say I want you to ignore the Emirates game when I had already told you Arsenal did not win that game. They won in San siro. So try again mate.

No I am not judging Carlo after one game. I have consistently told you I like him and want him to atleast beat RM (for obvious reasons). My problem is when Pep lost the same game you blamed him solely for it but now that Carlo has lost at the Allianz, you are making excuses for him. That is my grouse. It is with each excuse you raise that it now appears I am judging Carlo when I am not.

Whether Ajax lacked experience is immaterial? Good. Whether Monaco lacked experience is immaterial too. Now let us go back to Carlo and Bayern.

LOL abeg wetin concern Kolarov concern anything? You wanted to justify how aged players can falter and you sited Iniesta. I simply told you that Iniesta can still produce more if utilised properly. I do not know how Kolarov got into this. If Ribery and Robben did not perform against RM - IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE. That is the point I am making. You ought to agree that Carlo did not utilise them well. That is exactly what you would have said about Pep. I am surprised you are still not getting it.

I remember when you said Pep hurt Gotze's career and your fellow Bayern fan had to point out that Gotze was not used by Carlo and how he has not set the world on fire in Dortmund. I also remember how someone had to show you that Kimmich was Pep's creation. How Boateng, Muller, Costa, Coman have all dropped form under Carlo. How Bayern have scored less goals and lost more.

So as you can see, I am here to remind you again that when RM beat Pep and Bayern 4-0 I came here to tell you things went uncontrollably wrong and that it was not his fault. If you go online, you would see an excerpt from a book written about Pep's time in Bayern especially against RM. How the setpieces hurt but more so, how he let the players do what they wanted in the 2nd leg. How he defended them and took the blame (even when he knew he planned to use 3-4-3 on the day and they had trained with it, but they wanted to try out the Jupp way so he let them and it backfired etc). You wanted to hear nothing of it. You said Carlo would have done better and not lost ahome to RM. So I am here to show you Carlo lost ahome to RM.

Let us get things into perspective because I don't want to veer off any more into City and Barca etc. Just limit it to Carlo's time in Bayern. Thanks.

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Of course. We are talking about Real Madrid here.

That more than once abeg always add courtesy of Tom Henning Ovrebo

You are not ready to wait for 2nd leg yet you are telling me to wait for next season. Ogini na fio? And what if he fails to win the FA. Ohhh wait he's not a fraud because we should wait till next season, well what of he gets sacked? Well he's not a fraud he didn't finish the season.

Nope nobody said City had to get to the semis. You are imagining things. Beat the likes of Monaco is all we ask

Which poll rates Bayern over Madrid? Show me the Editor let me slap his face. Were you not here when Raumdeuter told a Chelsea fan to stake on Madrid

Who said Carlo couldn't lose at home to Madrid. Why is your imagination running wild like youths at Spring Break? Trawl the pre match posts and show where any Bayern fan said Carlo would never lose at home to Madrid.

Ohh I wish you would argue it. Let's see what you bring out that would top 3 stonewall penalties

Maybe for you. For me the sole prerequisite is beating Madrid, the defending champs and winners of 2 of the last 3 CLs

Ancelotti did both at Chelsea. Winning and beating everybody. Pep is languishing in 4th having accomplished nada. Isu no be cocoyam

It is down to a referees discretion. The red card was not dubious in any way shape or form, The Carvajal incident could also have been overlooked and no one would bat an eyelid but I have seen less given at Camp Nou and Heaven did not fall down.

Ribery was apologizing? In what language? English, French or Spanish

Speaking of languages how do you say Fraud in Catalan that's all I wanna know

I am not ready to wait for 2nd leg? Point at any statement of mine that alludes to that.

Beat the likes of Monaco? Should Bayern not beat the likes of ATM, RM and Rostov?

Lol don't bring Ramdeuter into this. Bayern were home 1, had the better run of form 2, and are better on Paper. Boateng and Javi are supposed to be better than Nacho and Sergio. Alaba and Marcelo cancel out. Lahm is better than Carvajal. Neuer is better than Navas. Alonso, Vidal and Alcantra are bettet than Casemiro, Modric and Kroos even if the margin is close. CR7, Bale and Benz match up evenly with Muller, Ribery and Robben based on current form and Bayern were home.

So the plethora of pundits were not wrong to give Bayern the 72-28 odds at Munich don't even go there.

Ancelotti did what at CFC? I told you why did you not add top 5? And why is it based on 1 season? If we can judge based on 1 season can I not judge based on 1 leg?

If it is down to the refs discretion then don't bring up Ovrebo. You see how those tortuous strings work? You beat what is given to you. I had a red card, away and I qualified yet you praise the ref when the red card was undeserved. But in your case you exonerate him. Still a nice distraction.

Pep is a fraud in catalan. I agree. But a non-fraud is not playing better and has lost more of the same games than the fraud. How do you reconcile it?

Ribery did not console Carvajal? If you did not see it, that is fine. But atleast you can see that Carlo lost a home game to RM and you claimed that had not happened till Pep.

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4-0? Lmaoo you are a fantasist just like Pep. Thanks to that 1 goal even a 2-1 win gets us to extra time at the very least. Madrid can score so long as we can score just 1 more

Pep is still at fault. We are seeing that at City, Ribery is 34 as well, there is no abracadabra that would change that. Ask Apoche cra cra whether Hummels was missed or not. I am stating facts. I have never said they influenced the outcome of the game

We lost to Atleti in the group stages. Wait till the second leg before passing judgement or at least be objective enough to admit Carlo has done no worse than Pep

Juve sans Tevez, Pirlo, Vidal. Clap for yourself

Did you expect Bayern to go unbeaten? Even in our treble year we lost to BATE Borisov. What is your fixation with freak results?

I have asked again delivering over what period? Against Swansea and West Ham? I can also say Joshua Kimmich has been instrumental. He has more goals than Jesus or Gundobelly

There is also nothing suggesting Cristiano Ronaldo would score any time he sets his foot on the pitch but you play him anyway so tell me more about disingenuous

Again no one is giving excuses. I am stating facts. Actually you and Fraudiola are the ones giving excuses. Telling stories that touch about Pep needing time for players to grab his formation and that Conte's formation is simpler blah blah blah blah blah blah

I am giving 360 degree insight on Pep's failure. He is 4th same as Pellegrini, he has the worst record as well. Any angle you wan look am Pep is a massive disappointment at City

You are equally fantasizing so don't get conservative on me. You can as well imagine a 4-0 win and not just 2-1.

How old is Pepe? 34 himself. Was he not missed? Varane? There is no possible spin to this even if Pauli was here to explain his exclusion principle. If Ribery is old use someone else and prove to be the better Tactician. After all, you have Douglas Costa.

LOL @ Done no worse. I have said ad nauseam that Ancelotti has lost the very same games you slaughtered Pep for. What else do you want me to say? Did I not say the tie was not over?

It is not about BATE BORISOV or AFC (2-0 in Munich). It is that Jupp won a treble ti tan. Now if Carlo does not win the UCL or get to the semis I would have to isolate individual games to judge him but it will be inconsequential if he eventually wins the UCL or gets past the semis. That way he would have done what Pep did not do. I hope you get the point. This is a big picture argument.

Joshua is fit so your using him as an example again fails. If at the time Joshua was in form he got injured, ehen, you can bring him into this. Gundogan and Jesus were playing well and scoring before they got injured. There should be an uppercase period placed here.

I am not the one giving excuses you are. Pep made those statements before the league began but even at that I have accepted he is a fraud. Now I want you to justify why a manager who is not a fraud is not outdoing the fraud. Simple.

LOL. Pellegrini had 3 seasons 1, 2, 4 were his league positions. Judge Pep after he has had the same 3. If we compare what Pep inherited and how City played in the previous season he is getting things fixed. But if we compare Carlo now to Pep either last season or for argument sake Pep's first, Pep is doing better except Carlo overturns the RM 1-2 first leg loss and wins the tie. Till then we wait.

Which is exactly what I came here to tell you.