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sirRiddy:
How will someone edit the email sent to him by a professor just
to impress or show off to other people? Why are some people with so little
self esteem? Please be careful with what people portray themselves
to be on here and other whatsapp groups outside here. This is incredible
Too many frauds here aswear

Give us gist na. No dey password am.

Decale:
I wouldn't rate Curry a top 5 PG this season honestly...

You would. You are only comparing him to last season hence the chagrin.

birdman:
tempting trade for the pelicans - two skilled bigs on the court has crazy potential. If cousins doesnt self implode first

I am thinking 86 Rockets or 99 Spurs. The potential is crazy but Cousins is an oaf.

SIRcumalot:
About LeBron ever saying pierce isn't his rival before the two rings,show me some link and I'll believe you.
I can't just take your word for it.

Oga, I said Lebron never answered that question till 2013. He was always answering it with the same "Kobe is not my rival" "Y is not my rival" etc.

SIRcumalot:
What is This KD analogy?
When Kobe was asked if he saw LeBron as a rival what was his response?
Did it stop Kobe Vs bron argument from raging all over internet boards.
So if a player comment don't define a rival why does it matter what Bron says ?
You will draw your conclusion,we only ask to do the same.

If you read the link on Paul Pierce you'd see LBJ say Kobe and him are not rivals because they never played in the playoffs- and that he defined rivalries based on post-season matchups. Ok. 2014, same Lebron that had played Spurs back to back in finals claimed they were not his rivals even if he had played them twice with the same team. Again, now GSW and CAVS have played back to back and he claims no rivalry exists yet that was his criteria when it came to P.P. Hope you get me now. He is changing the rule midway. I guess if he was ever to beat GSW in another final to make the head to head 2-1, he would immediately say they are his rivals when asked the same question. Typical LBJ.

SIRcumalot:
If he made that comment AFTER the 2015 finals that would be insecure and a bit petty.
He said it somewhere between the series that is the truth.
This same LeBron that Is being labelled as "Insecure" now.
Said in an interview after two MVP and a final appearance that "Kobe is the best player in the league".

"Oju aye" I think that's what yorubas call it. Same LBJ when he was asked how to guard Steph Curry in 2014/15 finals said "same way you guard me". When the journalist pushed forward by asking "so how do they guard you?" He retorted "That's the point, I am unguardable". Yes, that was until GSW beat them in that finals, until NBA started calling Steph the face of the NBA or when KG said Steph is influencing the game just like Jordan did. Bron hears that and immediately GSW stop being CAVS rivals etc.

SIRcumalot:
Barkley attacked his competitive spirit that is big to these guys he had support even from your team on that issue. I like Barkley so I wasn't cool with that talk.

So Barkley's attack on LBJs competitive spirit is enough to upturn his legacy? It is enough to make us forget his numinous 2016 NBA finals performance? Enough to make us forget his 4 MVPs and 3 finals MVPs and his stats?

You are making my case for me. That's hyper-insecurity.

birdman:
lol. anoda 10 pages of lbj arguments. it used to be kobe vs lbj. then mj vs lbj. then pierce vs lbj. then mj vs lbj. then curry vs lbj. now back to mj vs lbj..etc

these are by themselves a testament to lbj's greatness. Some recurring nightmares of losing while up 3-1 is apparently still hunting lbjs many enemies. May all our enemies live long to see us prosper

I like the spin to this narrative. LBJs greatness is definitely what is being discussed or no?

SIRcumalot:
I don't remember that concerning pierce.

Nice try.

You don't remember what concerning Pierce?

SIRcumalot:
Yet LeBron is giving you a noncontroversial answer and you guys refuse to accept because his not saying what you want to hear.

LOL. Someone can say "KD is not tall". His fans will say he is right when compared to Porzingis and Yao Ming. Neutrals and KD fans alike will say he is talking garbage. This right here, english calls CONTROVERSY because there is a stark contrast in opinions. So Lebron can say GSW are not CAVS' rivals and his fans can try to make him sound correct. It doesn't change the fact that it is still garbage.

SIRcumalot:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-says-hell-be-on-the-nbas-mount-rushmore/

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17200053/lebron-james-chasing-ghost-michael-jordan

This aren't the words of an insecure man.

LOL. If a man has to keep telling his wife and kids "I am the head of the house" repeatedly. It means he knows he is not. That's insecurity. When Iggy had won MVP and he was asked what he had to say about Lebron saying he was the best player in the world Iggy responded "He is right, but he doesn't need to tell us as we already know (for him to tell us it shows he is doubting himself)". I added the words in parenthesis.

SIRcumalot:
If anything,seeking validation for your favourite player is what comes across as insecure.

No. I am not the one who gave him 2 MVPs and a ring. The NBA did that all on their own. What I see as insecure is a great player who thinks Charles Barkley's comments are powerful enough to tarnish his legacy. Imagine Jordan thinking Jerry Sloan not greeting him is an act of disrespect.

SIRcumalot:
he plays the same position with Paul and they often have to guard each other in many high profile eastern conference match-up,so it isn't without reason.

Lebron was asked that question many times before 2013 but he didn't answer it (kept saying he had no rival) till he won 2 rings by 2013. Then Paul Pierce was good enough to be called a rival. So it is nothing new. He is insecure.

Why is nobody asking Curry if LeBron is a rival?

Because Curry will answer the question graciously and the journalists want something controversial.

Muna15:
Yes sir! I agree with you. He won two titles thanks to a functioning system but we shouldnt forget that he won his first two MVPs in a dysfunctional system as well.

If the system was that dysfunctional how did he win those titles? You do realize MVPs usually (if ever) don't come from teams not in the top 2 in their respective conferences.

So he was winning NBA regular season MVP titles by winning a ton of games but when it came to the playoffs the same winning team became dysfunctional?

Roland17:
I hope you are not construing the onus of Bron Bron's interview, and my position on the argument.

Ofcourse you know I am not. I was indirectly suggesting 2 things:

1. That he was playing mind games with his response
2. That he doesn't decide what makes a rivalry (my message to Sapio)

Roland17:
I think Bron Bron was being particular about a perceived rivalry between himself and the chef Curry, and not between Cavs and the Warriors; which is also a rivalry.

Bron was irked by the seeming comparison of greatness between himself and chef Curry. I inferred from the interview that Bron did not consider Curry successful enough to be considered a rival.

This dude has a history of talking this way. I am surprised his groupies don't know this. He also said GSW and CAVS aren't rivals.

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/17/14295910/lebron-james-rivalry-history-cavs-vs-warriors

So it is really not about greatness. After all, how great is Paul Pierce (in terms of MVPs let alone finals MVPs) yet Bron thought Paul was his greatest rival in the NBA.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-says-paul-pierce-is-his-biggest-rival/

This is the same Lebron that wore an Ultimate Warrior shirt after the finals and claimed his wife packed it for him and that Champagne stained his other shirt so he decided to wear it. You and I know he would rather go shirtless than wear an I-love-Phil-Jackson shirt so why wear the Ultimate Warrior shirt? Yet he gave a flimsy reason.

lolawilliams:
None of this is even worth replying to. I dont want to start an arguement at all.

Lola, I don't argue with you- you humor me ALOT. Even if I wanted to, you'd end up saying ridiculously stoopid things like Lebron is a great shooter and so on.

So keep posting for my entertainment.

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Donlittle:
that's like saying because dallas, spurs, and even warriors beat the shit out of LeBron in the finals. He isn't a team leader. Believe it or not, curry is the spark plug of that team, and without him they aren't going anywhere

See ehn, I just tire. I wanted to ask him if mental toughness is the same thing as playing well. Someone can be mentally tough and not play well same way someone can be a mental weakling and have a great game.

How many times is Curry called names? How many times was he pushed and shoved? Did he lose his cool? Even when Lebron was trash-talking during the finals was Curry complaining? Which game winning shot did Curry shy away from?(He would only pass if someone else is in a better position). How many times is Curry criticised, scoffed or laughed at (Like WB did before game 5 of the WCF) ? Did it get under Curry's skin? Nope. His numbers in the following 3 games were 31, 30 and 36 to win his team the series.

I know some other entitled players that get called names and they immediately report said players. I know some that get fouled or barely touched and they exaggerate the play. So if one man shoots the ball 35 times per game and averages 35 points per game he is mentally tough? The one that is always looking for more and more help is mentally tough?

I think some people here just read Wikipedia and start posting. Kyrie Irving has way more mental toughness than Lebron and KD (bless his heart because I love him) that has always been one weakness to his game since his days in OKC.

Donlittle:
A whole lot of people are picking wall over curry? Do you watch the back of TV or the side? Someone that players are guarding when he crosses half court is someone you are saying John wall gets picked over? John wall that can't shoot to save his life. Okay o. I don hear am for here finish

If that post had come from another knowledgeable poster I would have entered debate-mode, but it is Lola what does she know? She once claimed Lebron was known for his shooting prowess and she is a big Lebtard Lebron fan.

sapiosexual1:
Bros e be like say na you pastor direct his Sunday sermon to. Take it out on a pole if e pain you too much.
Go through my post again, first post was stating the obvious. The Cavs is synonymous with LeBron James while the Warriors is synonymous with Steph Curry. Is there a rivalry between both clubs? Yes! The magnitude is debatable though, but any rivalry between both clubs is automatically a rivalry between both superstars.
The rivalry between both clubs has been in black and white over the past 3yrs.(this season inclusive). Even demonstrated on this forum whenever both clubs match-up.
The second post was stating my personal opinion. I have said it time and again that I don't consider Curry as a team leader for the Warriors. I have always questioned his mental toughness. That's my "one man's point of view."

Mental toughness bawo? This is a first.

sapiosexual1:
Next time if you wanna question the annals of history, do it more politely. I didn't write history, history wrote itself.
Rivalry isn't by how many titles won, it's alot more than that including media hype, game intensity, fandom, fanatism, team pride etc.

Preaching to the choir. Direct this sermon to Lebron. That's the point.

lolawilliams:
Lool. I think the rivalry is between both teams and not between The king and Curry. Curry isnt even the hottest player in his team, He's not an all round player, a whole lot of people would even pick John Wall over Curry

Only thing worth responding to here as the rest are garbage.

1. Lebron said Warriors are not CAVS' rivals as well but you didn't see it because it wasn't posted on the stat sheet.

2. John Wall is an all-round player? Isaiah Thomas? Russell Westbrook? Chris Paul? John Stockton? Kyrie? Are they all all-round players?

stanway:
stephnie curry is just a shadow of his former self,miss all three pointers frm the half court what a choke artist of the year.

Lol. Why didn't the crowd egg Eric Gordon to shoot the 3 point from half-court too since he is the 3-point artist of the year?

Roland17:
Playing down a rivalry with Curry is Bron Bron's subtle way of saying he is not convinced Curry has earned the right or acclaimed status to be his rival, especially after last seasons triumph over the Warriors.
#myopinion

Playing down GSW vs CAVS rivalry was it also Bron Bron's way of saying he is not convinced GSW has earned the right or acclaimed status to be CAVS rival especially after last season's triumph over the Warriors?

#MyQuestion

sapiosexual1:
And what's it with James playing down the rivalry with Curry? Abeg there is rivalry jor, hot one sef. Maybe not at the level of 'Bird-Magic as he said, but there surely is a rivalry.

First exhibit, you say there is a rivalry. A hot one sef. Then later you change and say something about team leadership. That's even too extreme for bipolar disorders.

The level of Bird and Magic is it the fact that they are the same height? Got drafted the same time? Attracted about the same crowd? I am asking because if it is about rings even from NCAA Johnson leads 3-1 but the NBA still calls it a rivalry.

Roland17:
Chicago Bulls, una well done with the home cooking officiating..

I know the feeling.

SmooshCHN:
One would think the large Bandwagon base would at least fetch more money.

SIRcumalot:
Are you sure?
a bandwagon magnet is in the number 3 spot.
How many warriors fans exist before the 14-15 championship ?

Na 1 day pesin dey become fan. After all, I am sure you were not born in a United Jersey. Perhaps Treble winning season became your baptismal day.

Curry has been a $$ this month of February. Klay has been very very good. I wonder what makes certain players just turn up a notch in a particular period.

SmooshCHN:
Leave Lola alone jare When you hit her with facts, she thinks you're a Warrior and starts throwing salt
Get used to it.

She shows up only after Cavs win.

Misterdhee1:
Sis, you get wahala big time. You made few salient points at the beginning, but in the last two pages you just been blabbing and arguing blindly. Most of these people are more experienced than you on this issue. You v made your points, why not allow others who have witnessed the two sides of the coins to make theirs?

And about the issue of recession, it's either you deliberately choose to be ignorant or you are just trying to outsmart facts. Recession don't just appear within a year, madam.

That's what I am asking her to do. Give us facts. How can anyone tell me rents in VI/Lekki go for 450k. I feel insulted.

ApexTitan:
Here are some of the types of houses available to our project manager, assuming he lives in Lagos, as recommended by madam Pidjin2. (Yay middle class!) All these houses are nowhere near VI or Lekki which is probably where his office is located. We'll not talk about the monster Lagos traffic he has to deal with every day just to get to work.

God bless you.

Pidgin2:
Did he tell you the location of where he works?

If you see a one bedroom flat for N400K but you decide to go for the one of N1 whose business is it? FYI check out the prices of flats for rent around the area mentioned, stop giving false information

https://www.nigeriapropertycentre.com/for-rent/flats-apartments/lagos/lekki/showtype?bedrooms=1

For Ikeja, these are the prices to expect:
https://www.nigeriapropertycentre.com/for-rent/flats-apartments/lagos/ikeja/showtype?bedrooms=1

In most other parts of Nigeria rent is cheaper(except in Abuja)

As for the recession part go and read the attached link about Buhari's administration in 1984 then come back and discuss, I posted that link to show you that what happened then and now is not a coincidence

I am tired of the pointless back and forths. Stick to the topic. He said he works for an oil servicing firm. 85% of the oil servicing firms that are worth their salt have their offices on the Island (especially VI and to a less degree Lekki). The remaining few if any would be in Apapa and Ikeja. So he didn't need to tell me. I can do the maths.

LOL @ false information. How asinine can you be? I live in and work in one of the 3 areas I mentioned to you. Take my information like it is coming from God.

In most other parts of Nigeria rent is cheaper? Ok, so should he stay in Ikorodu and work in VI? Whatever he saves through house rents, he would pay for through PMS demands on his car. Sensible people call it "trying to make penny wise and pound foolish" and guess who ends up being foolish?

I read your links..I am sure you didn't read it. You want to take the spin PDP tried to create by claiming a fictitious recession of 1984 even when I pointed out to you that your first link said that recession began in 1981 (During Shagari's time). Buhari was only HOS between 1983 to 1985 and the greatest plunge in Nigeria's FX rate drop /Job losses/ GDP contraction came after IBB did his SAP. In fact we devalued the currency to make-up for the fact that revenue had shrunk following...wait for it...a plunge in crude oil price.

If you think history is repeating itself it is because any time crude oil prices drop significantly, Nigeria goes into a recession. And that is why we are advising someone who works in that sector in Nigeria not to get too comfy (especially as he works in the servicing arm that are always hardest hit). Trust me, he would know.

Please, leave failed leaders and defend your stance with facts. I don't want to discuss the Nigerian economy in terms of her past or present leaders. Thank you.

A40:
This is a big problem with Steph. And it explains why he struggles in the Final. He needs to learn to get a feel for the game. By the 3rd or 4th attempt on the road he ought to have known it was not going to be his night. He has a lethal 7-10 ft floater that's borderline unguardable, why he doesn't lean on it more often is a mystery

Skywalker5:
Steph needs to slow down a bit. If his three pointers are not going in, he should settle for 2 points. 1 for 11(3 points). thats a lot of points

I agree totally. Only that, I am sure he kept telling himself "the next one would go in" and again and again till it was 1-11.

They deserved the L and Jokic is playing ball this season but all eyes are on the playoffs for the most part this term.

Pidgin2:
Hey, you can rant all you like, I wonder what your epistle is for? I don't know if you live abroad or you live in Nigeria but you should be ashamed of yourself regardless.

I see you did not analyse the Bloomberg report, you refused to make sense of the other reports no wonder you keep advocating that people should leave the country, no wonder you can't see opportunities even the ones under your nose. It seems you want others to make the same mistakes you made because I don't understand why you are so unpatriotic, i'm sure you are pained about being unable to return or something.


People make it with 400K, that's a good salary even in this economy, that's a fair salary, he conveniently save 200K out of it (especially being single) that's like a million after 5months.

Remember he isn't paying $2500 for rent per month so please don't bother converting it to dollars (we are not in yanky) his house rent might be around N350K to N450K, which should get him a place close to his office to avoid stressful commuting (if he works in Lagos, one bedroom flats in good locations go for this price range)

People like you don't believe in building wealth, all you want is for large sums of money $7.9m to be dropped at your feet to squander, it's unfortunate.

What is your own epistle for?

All the links you posted said "Nigeria is in a recession"- none said the recession began today. Some even went as far as saying unwillingness to save in time of many and lack of diversification by your hero caused it. What is the importance of such verbiage to the discourse?

As for the rest of your garbage, I won't derail this thread any more than it currently has courtesy you. Keep telling yourself lies that someone who earns 400k can save 200k each month. Why not say he can save the whole 400k a month and have 2M after 5 months?

Hahahaha @ 450k rent. I said Self-contained apartments in VI/Lekki go for close to 1M a year. If he pays 450k anywhere that would never be close to where he works not to mention, transport/fuel, generator, feeding etc.

Your last statement is BS I am sorry. Anybody can build wealth wherever. The question is, which country provides one a greater probability of creating wealth? You say Nigeria and I say, in this case, Canada. If you can prove your case with facts, do that. Stop peddling lies. That's all.

ApexTitan:
^^^

This madam sef,

All the links you posted are saying the same thing: Nigeria is currently in a recession. It all runs contrary to your assertion that things are not bad and that the prospects for the guy in the original post are better off in Nigeria than in Canada; that has been the thrust of your posts here.

I didn't even see this before I replied. I won't have bothered. Apart from what you said above, she was trying to argue that nothing leading into 2016 caused the recession when the facts are staring her in the face.

The OP who (made that statement) did so to show her that generally things in Nigeria have been getting bad since time immemorial but she is trying to put a spin on it by claiming 1999-2015 were the best ever times in Nigerian history.

Pidgin2:
Take a few minutes to objectively read through these reports, it wasn't written by Godwin Emefiele rather economic analysis from different reputable economists (you need to broaden your view)

http://educacinfo.com/economic-recession-nigeria/


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37228741

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2016-08-31/nigeria-slump-deepens-as-economy-shrinks-2-1-in-second-quarter

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/06/one-year-after-nigerias-economy-under-buhari-on-knees-bloomberg/


History seems to be repeating itself here but I doubt if you have ever read a history book in your life

http://www.news24.com.ng/Elections/MyNews24/History-of-Buhari-20150127

So, in your opinion, until someone stumbles upon $7.9m careless cash before he can make it here? You are the type of people we really don't need in this country.

You know what is funny: I took the pains to go through each of the links hoping you understood what was said to you or if you even read the links you put there. You did neither.

If a Plane takes off in Nigeria and 10mins in flight the Pilot realizes 2 of his engines have given way. Then he tries everything possible to salvage the situation but the Plane crashes in Ghana. Your argument will be that the Pilot made a mistake in Ghana(resulting in the crash), even when you have evidence that few seconds after take-off he complained to the maintenance engineer at the Towers that his 2 engines had packed up.

Did you also realize that your first "objective link" said Nigeria's previous recession years included 1981, 2004 and 2009? LOL

Knowing you, I expect you to come back again to discredit your own links one by one because none of them made any case for you and instead of taking the option to learn, you trudge on, on this your ignorant path to empty drivel, dumb hero-worship/ lionization of past charlatan leaders and selective patriotism.

And your last question to me just exemplifies what someone else said (which is that you are arguing for the sake of arguing). FYI, if someone was to make it in Nigeria based on 400k in today's economy, it would be more serendipitous than by analysis of factors that you either told blatant lies about, or conjured up in your own chimerical and delusional world.

22 point loss.

I expected it on the end of a back to back to back (away from home).

They should flex. 70 wins seems off the table now.

Oh well.

Pidgin2:
Nigerian economy was not in recession in 2014, if it was then post links to support this and I will post counter links from a reputable source

Don't derail the thread. How many times was our over valued currency adjusted between mid to late 2014? Did our revenue not shrink within those 6 months? Did FG not resort to borrowing to augment salary demands? Did the price of things go up or come down those months? Don't take my word for it. Listen to the CBN Governor appointed by your hero:

http://www.financialwatchngr.com/2016/09/19/nigerias-economic-recession-how-we-got-into-trouble-godwin-emefiele/

Pidgin2:
Sorry, but only a person without foresight will agree that there is no hope if you live here, please what sort of reasoning is this? Smh

Sorry too but only a delusional person will see red and call it black. Nobody said there is no hope if we are talking in terms of kismet. Alikote can stumble onto $ 7.9M that someone from your Hero's time had stolen and stashed away and his fortune will change. Till then, if he is describing his chances as a Nigerian earning 400k in a servicing company (not an IOC or NOC) then he stands a better chance of success in Canada than Nigeria. The facts are glaring.

Pidgin2:
Why are you posting false information? Recession began barely two years ago with the coming of Buhari's administration.

So we should all reject Nigeria because of it. How many Americans rejected their country during the US recession? Prices of goods will certainly come down once we have a good economic team

Recession doesn't just appear. It always starts gradually and could triple in effect based on extenuating circumstances such as a sharp drop in Crude oil price. Nigeria was in a full-blown recession from 2014 when FG started borrowing to pay salaries.

I digress. People don't migrate just because of the recession but because of the hope for a better quality of life that is commensurate with one's effort.

Your argument implies that because one IG of Police stole so much and has billions of Naira then Nigeria is good and because one Nigerian failed in the USA then Emigration from Nigeria to the US is bad. That's a specious way of arguing.

Except people here are referring to another Nigeria most of what I am reading here for the "pro-Nigeria" crew is poppycock. To start with, we are talking about 400k. Second, Alikote didn't give the impression he was trying to run away to do menials but is considering doing an MBA and restarting his life in Canada. My opinion? Take it and run, but that's just a shortened version of my reason. Let me attempt to dispel a few of the myths being peddled here.

1. 400k is now average. It is not for big boys. I live in Nigeria and I know people who earn about the same amount and I would not refer to them as big boys by any stretch of the imagination. In the face of today's economy, 400k is equivalent to what 120k was in the early 2000s. The maths suggests it. The pro-Nigeria crew are presenting an illusory by making 400k seem like 680k+ but that is not the case. Every single thing in Nigeria has changed price to reflect the recession (even though most of it is artificial and an example of the typical greed of Nigerians ).

2. 400k cannot build you a house or help you get into real estate. That's another wanton statement bordering on corybantic. Except you plan on acquiring the landed property by installmental payments and in that case, you'd be hedged for atleast 3 years, 400k cannot buy you any good land in viable places in Nigeria. That is, Lagos, Abuja and PH. As per the story about building houses, perhaps we should begin with buying 1 plot of land at 600k+ even in Delta state before we spend millions on the foundation, brick work, decking, roofing, ceiling, plastering etc. And this hasn't even included the major internals of a house which take a bulk of the money.

3. 400k pays all your bills. It could, if and only if you are living like a crab in a Barrel. For example, if you work for an oil servicing firm chances are, you work on the Island. Where do you stay? Forget the Island, people's Boys' quarters go for above 700k per annum in Lekki. In Ajah, the fraction is only slightly lower. If you live on the mainland, I cringe for your petrol requirements per dey. Another person said 100L of PMS was enough to settle Power supply in a month and I laughed hysterically. 25L per day won't give you more than 12hrs of light except your Generator set is "I-pass-my-neigbour". 100L for power even with Inverters is a myth. The Inverters for example need to be charged with power. So how do you suppose you are going to generate that power?

4. PPP of 400k is more than 2000$ in the USA. This is laughable if it wasn't a bare-faced lie. Someone earning 2000$ in the US can achieve more with that money than anyone would with 400k in Nigeria and the reason is simple: most of what we use in Nigeria is imported or we greedily connect it to the dollar. My people, the quality of life you would live with 2000$ is better than what someone else would do with 400k and it is not even close. The closest quality of life to a lower-end middleclass person in Canada or US can be compared to living in Lekki, Ajah, Ikoyi, Asokoro, Maitama etc. I am not referring to the mansions but the rented apartments. And I can tell you point-blank that no 400k earning person can live in those places except he is doing collabo with his friends.

I have a lot to say but let me just stop here.