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SmooshCHN:
So the 3 ball didn't fall today but GSW got 115.. Satisfied with the win especially when we don't force 3s.. More games like this is what I look forward to.

airmark:
Mata : 11 goals and 17 assists and Iniesta : 4 goals and 13 assists



Thats why dayo will always be his lord. He is smarter .



Now, i can see you have been joking all this while. Nice try, you got me.

airmark:
Iniesta with 4 goals was laliga's spanish player of 2008/2009 while David villa with 28 goals, got nothing. Footballers voted for kaka and they knew what they saw, it might be closely fought thats not my biz. If iniesta with 4 goals won ahead of villa, and barca fans like you had no issues with it, then kaka should be left alone with his serie a award. Even xavi who had 6 goals and more assists than iniesta that year was not awarded. so what are you saying? Experts dont judge performances the way you just did. A player like iniesta is overrated based on your analysis.

@ The emboldened, anyone who claimed kaka was overrated in 2007 is high on ogogoro. Even when ronaldo and kaka met at the biggest club soccer stage in Ucl, we all saw who conquered. Some things are better left unsaid. In the past there were sensible controversies that trailed wpoty, 2007's was never one of them.

A40:
My gee I don tell you make you no too waste your time with these guys. Imagine a full grown adult asking me how a good or great athlete can be overrated. Truly many are mad but few are roaming

airmark:
Better. Kaka won serie a player of the year award, voted by his colleagues with 8 goals and 7 assists. Just like iniesta won laliga award in 2009 with 4 goals and 8 assists. Kaka wasn't the main striker, he played behind inzaghi, oliviera, gillardino, his all-round performances as a midfielder impressed his colleagues and was voted for. In a40's words :

AdisaOwala:
That's because your analogies are bereft of common sense & the funniest part is that your misplaced use of big grammar only amplifies your poor comprehension & analytical abilities....
If Kaka's supposed overrated status in the Serie A has nothing to do with the ballon D'or award he Deservedly won (Kudos to you for finally admitting that he deserved the award), why are you still spouting hogwash here?

airmark:
Before i move to kaka's serie a issue, first accept you goofed by claiming ronaldo deserved 2007 wpoty . I cant waste my time on someone who couldn't accept his errors. The votes were not close, it was a very wide margin and done by coaches and captains. If you add messi and ronaldo's points together they didn't match kaka's. Every sensible analyst wouldn't argue the matter again. This is december, my job offline is demanding in festive periods, trust me i will still squeeze out time to engage you when i could see you are reasonable.

AdisaOwala:
The boy is confused...

I don envisage another daft analogy from him na why i say i no go answer am again...& he surely didn't disappoint

airmark:
That's one of the reasons buhari wanted to jack up data price. People like eruditor will vet their posts well before posting.



I am just weak . One ''up barka'' guy said it was ronaldo that deserved it in 2007.



You see human being, you go fear. From wpoty 2007 to serie a 2007.

Nihilist:
Ode leleyi mehn...

What does the above have to do with Kaka?

The example up there doesn't even make sense. Murder is a very specific term and involves killing under specific circumstances. Killing a person cannot be automaticly be conflated with murder. Soldiers who kill in war are not guilty of murder. People who kill in self defence are not guilty of murder. So there is zero fallacy in arguing for a death sentence as a penalty for the very specific infraction of murder. P

This just shows that you like to talk for the sake of it.



Ode Gidi Gaan ni bobo yii...

So we should discount the votes of the Serie A players who played against Kaka for the opinion of a mumu philosopher who is incapable of following a coherent argument from the beginning?



LMAO

So we should discount the votes of coaches and captains of national teams for the opinion of a mumu philosopher who is incapable of following a coherent argument from the beginning?


Dude go and sleep and preferably never wake up.

bi0nics:
By wide margin sef..
Can't believe someone would come here and say Ronaldo deserved the WPOTY 2007..ErudiShyte..are you high on crack?

AdisaOwala:
What is this again for Christ sake?

Did Columbia lift the WC in 2014? Where dem even reach for that particular tourney?

In 2007, Ac Milan won the CL with Kaka as top Scorer - he was the best player in an important tourney his Club won Oga.

I also clearly stated that he was also one of the best players in the world when he was at his prime.





Assuming you were an ardent poster here, you woulda known the people to ask that particular question



It's common knowledge that the most outstanding player in a triumphant team in the CL or WC is almost always certain to be the best player in either competition ....in the process boosting his chances of winning the WPOTY award DESERVEDLY - your Hames comparison (just like the others you've been making since morning) has flown off tangent yet again.

You really need to calm down, take a deep breathe & re-analyse the whole argument from the beginning.

P.S. : This is my very last response to you on this particular issue..

airmark:
wpoty2007







This dude is more confused than mourinho.



When eruditor mentioned ronaldo, i gave up. That's why i didn't honour him with a reply. I didn't want to use bad words to qualify him, he just wasted my time. Davidbanky with bad grammars would come up with something better.

AdisaOwala:
With his paltry 3 CL goals that season?

Nihilist:
Lmao at seek your attention.

You stuck your long ostrich neck into a discussion that did not concern you only to start vomiting uninformed rubbish.

How many more people are going to tell you to go and start from the beginning?

Nobody is debating whether Kaka is overrated. What we were discussing until you came along was a specific set of criteria that A40 mentioned.

So far, nobody has discussed whether any player deserved his award or not. We are merely discussing whether the criteria A40 described can be applied in isolation to any footballer while yielding consistent results.




Nobody gives a rats arse about your opinions rewarding the WPOTY

You said and I quote:

".. someone's subsequent performances can act as validation for if he is rated rightly or overrated.."

Which is quite a daft position to take as the WPOTY award only considers a very specific historical timeframe.

The WPOTY is award for actions performed in the past. Only a fool like yourself will try to qualify the award with future events.

GTFOH nigga.

airmark:
I asked you a simple question, who deserved wpoty 2007, if not kaka ? You wrote all those lines and couldn't give a name? You needed to use that stale trick of bringing other stuffs to change the course of arguement. Though , i saw many flaws in what you wrote but i will ignore them because i understand the trick. Just tell me the player that deserved it 2007.

Nihilist:
Honestly I have never seen anybody so willfully obtuse and incapable of comprehension...

Let me remind you that neither Airmark nor AdisaOwala are concerned with what happened to Kaka post 2007.

AdisaOwala clearly stated that Kaka in his peak period was clearly one of the best in the world and this cannot be said to be overrated

Airmark told you specifically that he is talking about WPOTY of 2007 not WPOTY of 2007-2015.

Why are you determined to dispute points thar nobody else but yourself is making?

Are you not tired?



So what about Ronaldinho's performance post 2005? Afterall he did not live up to his previous performances...he must be overrated.

What a dumb stance to assume.

The law of diminishing returns means that every player declines. Only a fool like yourself will look at a player's 'subsequent performances' to see whether the player was overrated or not.

This precisely the reason why both AdisaOwala and Airmark are not interested in the BS you keep spouting in such eloquent manner.

Even A40 refused to encourage such Inane arguments and based his decision to label Kaka overrated on league performance the year he won WPOTY.

Please gerrahia. Your mumuness is so annoying.

airmark:
No you are still very wrong. If someone wins 100m in 11.04 (which is not feasible) that year and it's the fastest that year, you have no choice to accept the tag. But when there are strange reasons for him returning that time as the best then we can say he doesnt deserve it. There's a reason they have records in athletics. I dont even want to go to the genesis of a40's stvpid views which rendered your earlier defence unwarranted. I think nihilist and others had settled that. If you say kaka didnt deserve wpoty 2007, proving it with his subsequent average performances made no sense. I asked you who deserved that world best in 2007 if not kaka, you refused to answer. That hazard is shinning now would not change the fact he played rubbish last season, so also if kaka didnt impress you after 2007, it will never take away the fact he was the best player in 2007.

airmark:
Porto won 2004 ucl because they were the best that season, whether you like it or not. feeling they didnt deserve it could only be reasonable, if other opponents had plane crashes and porto were presented the cup without kicking a ball. May be they were pushed by referees' decisions all the way, you should tell us. There's a reason they called it wpoty 07 and not wpoty of 2007 to 2015. If you extend the dragnet, then it's unfortunate. You should even tell us who deserved to win it that year.

airmark:
a40 don suffer.






They tagged something wpoty 2007 and not 2007+ and you said it overrated him. So the award should not be given to someone who would not shine in subsequent years? How did we get here for christ sake? The same kaka that bossed everybody in 2006/2007. Man, wpoty has nothing to do with failure to impress subsequently. That year award was well deserved.

AdisaOwala:
That is the argument you made for yourself - not me....
The fact that great players players like Figo, Rivaldo, Shevchenko Nedved etc cannot be compared to the likes of Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo etc doesn't make them Overated - it's a relative thingy.
If Kaka deservedly won a WPOTY award & was one of the best players in the world for a stipulated period, why should the issue of him being Overated crop up when he was never compared to players that might be superior to him in the 1st place?
What is this again?
Wetin concern British hype & 'player Confidence boosting' (Typical of Mourihno) with the matter on ground? Were those players ever rated beyond their abilities by appropriate Footballing bodies?
You really need to go back and read the genesis of everything cos bruh - you are really posting off point!

Nihilist:
I know it maybe hard for you to read, but A40 did not call Kaka overrated in comparison to any other player...


Go back to the beginning and see the criteria he gave for deciding who is overrated before you come here to talk bollocks.



This is such a stoopid thing to say. The Media were saying Messi could win the world cup in 2014, Copa in 2015 and 2016 because they were overrating him too.



Oponu leleyi o. So a manager talking in private to his player, (who just so happened to be voted the 2nd best player in the world during the period you mentioned) is considered overrating....

Where do they find you people?

Don't reply please..

AdisaOwala:
Last time I checked, nobody implied that Kaka is the greatest attacking Midfielder of all time so I really don't get this your "Apples vs Oranges" comparison.
Maybe you should relax, take a deep breath & follow the Convo from the beginning...
Oga - 'Overated' in this context means he probably didn't deserve to win a WPOTY award or that he wasn't one of the best players in the world for the 3-4 years wey him take reign......an assertion that's clearly false!
As for his decline, it was hardly his fault...
He might have struggled in his debut season at Madrid but the injury(8months) he copped at the begining of his 2nd season literarily ended his career !
There was no way a 28 year old was gonna return to blistering form & fitness after such a lengthy layoff so I really don't get what you are on about.

AdisaOwala:
A40 even said a great player can be overrated.....all in a bid to defend a logic that's clearly outta sorts.
His initial response was even the funniest - the fact that Kaka contributed Zilch to Brazil's 2002 WC triumph shock am die...as he see say show no dey for that side, he kukuma decide say the Brazillian dey overhyped....all in a bid to Support his logic by force
Kaka at his prime...overrated?
E dey get some Kain Arguments wey person no suppose enter - this Kaka own na typical example.

SmooshCHN:
Klay for 80pts please Mizzzbeee, Eruditor where are you guys?

Donlittle:
This guy, if i have a basketball team, no way you are in charge of trades

sapiosexual1:
At .722 , I think you guys have a lot more to worry, don't even think of the Warriors for now. You're at the level of the clippers now

SIRcumalot:
this ryan anderson fella for the rockets is a beast!!!
harden needs to work on his closing,
if Curry never had foul trouble early or klay shot better this na warriors win.
great game.

lolawilliams:
Yeah. its obvious a team that takes a 3-1 lead wpuld get it all, but you know good and well that the Cavs in playoffs is a diff team entirely. Well, lets just keep enjoying the reg season games for now