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Msauza:
LOL!! so do I also have to provide citation for you being in SA.

yes,citation needed to support your claim.what makes you so sure that i'm in SA?

Msauza:
Your reasoning is stupid. We don't want to know why did it happened, we only wanted to know if it did happen or not.

dismissed

Msauza:
It is not old dummy. it happened recently. So, didn't you say huh our parliament is not fighting? Your incident was even worse than that of South Africans.

http://www.cnbcafrica.com/news/western-africa/2014/11/20/tear-gas-nigeria-parliament/

that is simply politics.
and it was played for a good reason,not because of a madman's thirst for power.

Msauza:
Oh!! I forgot that you are currently in SA and have since forsaken your country. That's why you didn't know about such development which dominated the world news recently.

[citation needed]

DieVluit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7mtoucTT3o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1x8e_47hWI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ZulEt2h5c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeS102JrTvA

When I say you say things without thinking, I mean it.

i knew that you would come here with an armload of old videos.those vigorous disagreements in the videos broke out due to proposition of provocative bills,not due to the whims of a power hungry madman as is the case of SA.

Msauza:
Nigerian politicians literally fought with fists in the parliament recently. Do you remember?
Well, about arming your Agusta, I hope it would SA to test it first. I heard they have completely hijacked your Air force. They command your fleet.

give proof that our politician 'literally' fought with fists in the parliament.
their arent any south african piloting our military aircrafts.

FighterPilot:
That's what politicians usually do all over the world. That's what they are paid to do. Thus, let's go back to military discourse.

only south african politicians do that.
thus,we are back to military discourse.
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NIGERIAN AIRFORCE TO WEAPONIZE ITS AGUSTA HELICOPTER.

FighterPilot:
Nope, I was watching the parliamentary proceedings today. It was just an ordinary debate on state of the nation address.
No chaos at all.

well,there wasnt any punching,kung fu,taek wang do,or police invasion today.but there was a lot of insult and rhetorics,that is the 'chaos' i'm talking about.if you watched today's parliament proceedings,you would have heard enough of "cockroach" "hooligan" "broken men" and other insults been traded around in parliament.
it was particularly amusing when malema claimed to have been dragged out of parliament last week with his pen.is

FighterPilot:
The chaos was on Thursday and has passed. We all forgot about it.

nope,that was a different one where lawmakers were being dragged around with their private parts{according to malema}..hahahahahaha....this one happened today,check the breaking news.

FighterPilot:
The former SA special forces received specialised training to fly gunships, that was in case they hijack one. The former pilots received specialised training as well to fly enemy aircrafts from MIGs, Mirage, Hinds, etc.

you are telling me that your mercenaries who were trained 10 year ago,learnt how to pilot every single aircraft in the world?

CHAOS IN PARLIAMENT!
http://news.yahoo.com/africas-zuma-under-fire-over-chaos-parliament-152100782.html
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"dishonorable" "cockroach" "hooligan" Insults and curses were traded between parliamentarians on tuesday,after last week when lawmakers were forcefully dragged out of the parliament
"you are not an honourable man..." Mmusi maimane,a lawmaker of the opposition 'democratic alliance' told zuma who was sitting face to face,a few metres away from him.
prompting zuma to break into a grin.
maimane complained that when the police had invaded the parliament last week,to drag out opposition lawmaker,zuma had burst out laughing.
earlier,baleka mbete,an ANC parliamentarian had described julius malema as a "cockroach",prompting malema to accuse mbete of inciting people to kill him.malema had condemned last week's parliament invasion,claiming that they had been "dragged out with their private parts".climbing the podium,malema described zuma as a "hooligan".
"we arent afraid of you..." malema said to a grinning zuma

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FighterPilot:
Somewhere in Nigeria flying your gunship and fighter jets. They have taken over your airforce.

okay,lets just ASSUME that your mercenaries are flying our jets and helicopters,how many aircrafts can they fly?,we have squadrons of different gunships,can your notorious mercenaries fly each and every one of them?.
tut tut tut tut.......
dont be ridiculous sweetheart,your mercenaries cannot fly a paper kite even if their beards depended on it.

FighterPilot:
Your suggestions are baseless, because everybody can become a mercenary. I can also become one if I so wish and tell me how will the government know of my intention? SA has many ex-soldiers that you can never trace their whereabouts unless if you want to turn yourself into a fool.

it doesnt change the fact that our secret service operatives infilterated{invaded} your country under the nose of your precious 'sophisticated' intelligence service,struck a deal with your mercenaries and transported them to nigeria using our military aircrafts in your airspace.
above all,your defense minister confessed that he only heard about the 'illegal transaction' from an obscure media group named beeld.isnt that pityful?

agaugust:
South African mercenaries DO NOT EXIST inside Nigeria
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@oga agaugust,your face don scarce for this thread o...
though,i understand the need for hibernation once in a while.
yes,everyone knows that their arent any foreign mercenaries in nigeria,these zulus are just being mischievious.

FighterPilot:
So, does it mean that their privacy should be encroached upon? Does it mean that their movements should be restricted within the borders of SA? The answer for both question is a big NO. Those people are not criminals and if being an ex-soldier makes you a criminal then I don't know.

they may be citizens,but due to the fact that they are mercenaries,they still have the capacity to pose a threat to national security or even distabilize foreign policy{as your defence minister claimed that they did by 'illegaly' working for our DHQ}.every citizen has a right to privacy,but national interest erodes all forms of individual rights
of course you wouldnt let them know that they are being watched,thats the point of "watching" them.
these things need to be done for the greater good.

FighterPilot:
Same thing what? @Evarn, there is no intelligence that will know when you have suddenly decided to become a terrorist overnight. Intelligence officers are not prophets. Same, there is no mercenary whose identity documentation has been blacklisted as such unless he or she has been prosecuted and convicted by court of law for commiting that offence in the past.

for the fact that they are ex-service men and that they have also been deployed to conflict zone as mercenaries,the intelligence service should have their data report and continue monitoring them for any new 'illegal' transaction that could cause civil unrest.

FighterPilot:
LOL!! In SA there is no law that provide that people should be branded as mercenaries. It is only terrorists which should be clearly categorised in the world and surely not mercenaries. You can never know who is a mercenary. People leave their countries to work as mercenaries without their countries knowing my man. Previously, it was different when these groups were still operating within the legal framework until they were banned after they brought about conflict of commiting massacres.

same thing sweetheart,same thing!

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ThaVluit:
I can assure you that not a single reader of this point gets your point.

you cant.thank God for that.

FighterPilot:
Who said they were farried? They could have used their own transport like any passanger dude. Many have done the same when they headed to Iraq.

lol.for a while there you sounded clueless.
how can 100 ex-service men,with reputations as fierce mercenaries be allowed to board a plane to abuja through any of your international airports without raising a sandstorm of suspicion?,hmm?....
your defense ministry would have detected almost immediately and your intelligence service would have sanction them,whisking them off to court before they can beg for clemency.

ThaVluit:
Oh so they were contracted then?

Thanks, that's all we needed from you.

We are fine with your weak hypothesis if the conclusion is that they were contracted.

It ends all arguments.

And it also proves that you say things without thinking.

you can possibly rely on an information without thorough evidence.

FighterPilot:
A phone call can only be traced back when it was either tapped or recorded. Other than that it can be just any innocent call to or from Nigeria.In democratic country people cannot be asked or questioned about their trips and travelling in and out of the country.

they were contacted,physically adjudged and ferried out of SA by the nigerian DHQ while your defense ministry floundered cluelessly and your intelligence service was busy monitoring opposition parliamentarians.

ThaVluit:
How do you know how they were employed?

You don't.

And how are mercenaries employed? Based on what?

This is what happened the last time.

There are strong suspicions that the South African government got wind of Mann and Du Toit’s plans – and even that the coup plotters naively thought Pretoria was turning a blind eye, preferring a white-mercenary-inspired coup to a nasty dictator.

Instead, the South African government didn’t just stop them, according to this account; it allowed them to get caught to send a strong message to future would-be mercenaries.

And how does our ministry crying foul change the fact that our mercenaries are operating in Nigeria?. No longer denying that, are you? On to the next desperate point now.

as far as we are concerned,there are no mercenaries in nigeria.

FighterPilot:
The only thing that I know about SA mercenaries is that they will suck Nigerias oil money just like they did to the US. They bankrupted Sierra Leone, Liberia, Equitorial Guinea, etc wherever their services have been used.

well,it would be a pity if their return aircraft was to encounter an unfortunate accident that would lead to a shocking loss of life.

FighterPilot:
Mercenaries are contracted secretly by secret services in a way which is clandestine in nature. Intelligence can never know everything every time unless it is a matter of concern. The intelligence after all is not prophetic in nature. They may also have been invited by phone call and meet in another country.

lol.a country does not employ the service of mercenaries through traceable phone calls.
your defense ministry and intelligence service failed to detect a covert infilteration and massive evacuation of known private mercenaries.arent those kind of people supposed to be kept under closely guarded watch?
now your ministry is crying foul and threatening armageddon.but they have recieved no response.

FighterPilot:
This one is only one of many of Nigerian media

http://www.naij.com/385393-boko-haram-nigeria-hires-sa-mercenaries-illegally.html

media that keep quoting themselves

ThaVluit:
"Allowed"?

How did it "allow" them?

Please explain your "challenged" question.

There was no "allowing" done, unless you know something we don't. So, enlighten us.

How were they "allowed"?

in a scenario where the nigerian DHQ sent in secret envoys to SA to help negotiate a contract with mercenaries under the nose of your intelligent services,after the deal,the DHQ again sent in a transport aircraft into you airspace to convey your mercenaries to abuja where screening was conducted and directives were given.
all these took place,while your defence ministry remained oblivious.
it wasnt until a media organisation named 'beeld' decided to investigate the mysterious disappearance of a sizeable chunk of your former military men,that your defence ministry became 'aware' of the purported nigerian 'conspiracy'.
is this the scenario as it happened?,hmm?

FighterPilot:
Your Nigerian media revealed it but you continue to deny the facts.

citation needed

ThaVluit:
Screaming "waste of data" will not change the contents of this page. Readers can still see what's been posted.

dismissed

ThaVluit:
You have no evidence based on which you can say that. You only have wishes.

Besides, lots of Nigerian media pieces have revealed it.

Is this your final desperate line? "Media would have revealed it"?

How is that different from saying "I actually don't know anything but I will deny"?

how come your defense ministry allowed mercenaries to be ferried with nigerian military aircrafts from SA to nigeria,and later went to the media wailing about an unfair injustice?

ThaVluit:
I know because my own defence minister and tons of reports have confirmed it.

Simple.

You on the other hand have no basis or evidence based on which you can deny what I have just said.

I have no seen the space shuttle but I know it has gone into space.

waste of data