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The northerners killed Tinapa when they failed to sign the tax whatever. There's no beating about the bush of what happened.

I mean in the whole country.

How many did the guy say there were?

Haha, I thought I was extreme.

When?

Andre Uweh:
It is interesting to note that two of the eleven girls that featured for the Equatorial Guinean female team against Norway today are Igbo girls. Diala and Chinasa.

But you should be careful because some Equatorial Guineans answer Igbo names but are not necessarily Igbo.

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=700671.msg8617706#msg8617706 date=1309373494]Why are the Aro not considered such a unique clan even though Aro culture is a hybrid of Ekoi, Ibibio/Efik and Igbo culture?

Many Aro even have Ibibio surnames.[/quote]Aro is like the Onicha clan, it's not that mixed plus their dialect is almost the same as those from Umuahia.

KnowAll:
[size=16pt]Anioma and Ikwerres are special Igbos, they are distinct from the East Central Igbos, who are mono-culture, monotonous in their thinking and have a similar continuum of recent historical experience. The Ikwerres and Aniomas have co-habited and lived with non Igbo’s for centuries, which alone makes them unique necessitating reasons why they should preserve their own identity.

Just because they have Igbo names does not mean they should be amalgamated with the East Central Igbo’s. River Niger has made a natural boundary possible, nature has bestowed on them a separate identity. The isolation from the General pack of Eastern Igbo’s has infused into their culture other alien cultures which should be celebrated, why would one want to throw such rich heritage away for some fathom, fake merger just in the name of a GREATER Igbo Nation, this idea is similar to those 3rd Reich in Germany whose sole purpose was the Merger of all ethnic Germans in Czechs, Poles,
Austrian and Slovakia.

Merging the Ikwerrres and Aniomas to Eastern  Igbo’s is like calling for the merger of Austrians with the Germans or the German Swiss with Germany.

Although they are ALL German ethnically, they are unique in their outgoing, both in their tolerance level, and in their accommodation and reception of other non-German race. There tolerance level is higher than the average German from Germany,  so also is their social scalability, they would mix with other nationalities without carrying that proud German barge of being an almighty super race on their forehead.

Same argument can be proffered to the Ilorin’s who are clearly Yoruba’s, the SW does not have any covert plan or desire of annexing them, as they exist now, they have a rich history dating back to the days of Afonja of Ilorin and that history determines who they are, and how they came to be, if you merge them with the General Yoruba population they would lose their identity in a 100 to 200 year’s time
, that is why preservation of cultures slightly alien to the general population should be encourage,  even though they might speak the same language with the General community which in some cases might just be 5 miles down the road, preservation is very important and must be safeguarded at all cost. [/size]

1. Ikwerre people aren't the only Igbo group in Rivers state
2. Igbo groups in Rivers state spill into Imo and Abia state, so there is no "River Niger" dividing them here.
3. Anioma is not a culture, only a group of Igbo cultures that are similar and decided a few decades ago to become 'Anioma'.
4. There was once-upon-a-time a thing called the eastern region that merged all these groups, and some more, into one division before states were created.
5. The Igbo groups are already become a bit less distinct and watered down because of intermarrying and the general connectedness of this world (Central Igbo is thought in every Igboid speaking region, yes, even in Anioma).
6. Austrians are not ethnically German and Igboland itself isn't even up to the size of Austria.
7. Nobody ask for you to come and defend them, I like how we excluded the Emir and Fulani influence in Ilorin and went straight to it's Yoruba led past. Nice.

It has always been applied to everyone.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=699066.msg8616055#msg8616055 date=1309358543]And rubbishing nigerian architecture is not s.tupid?

You are bashing an entire profesion, nothing to do with "your own taste" per se.[/quote]This is not one of those your irrelevant arguments when you can make some sort of sense. You can't compare not knowing history to having a personal taste.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=699066.msg8615467#msg8615467 date=1309353981]I'll analyze paragonn's post later but it seems to me he's only doing the same thing as the thread starter and many posters here. Namely looking at particular issues from a negative viewpoint.

Why is it ok to rubbish nigerian architecture but  not ok for him to also rubbish nigerian demagogy (dont know if this is the right word or even a word at all).

Yall had your fill badmouthing stuff but are jumping on him for doing the same.[/quote]Uhm, architecture is mainly about your own taste, saying that Africans had no astronomy and architecture before Brazilians came 150 years ago is stupid.

I thought Oduduwa came from Saudi Arabia?

ChinenyeN:
The Igbotic/Igboid stuff isn't even my viewpoint. I'm just describing the outlook that most seem to have, specifically for Ekpeye.

Well, the most important thing is how the Ekpeye see themselves.

There ain't no campaign, all the land has been grabbed. Late!

Maybe they do it so that Rivers doesn't turn into Igbo vs. Ijaw, although it looks like that sometimes anyway. Nobody forced these groups to become independent ethnic groups, so the only ones to blame are the 'Igbo' groups themselves, sometimes I wish one group would have taken over the whole of Igbo land like the (disunited) kingdoms in old Qin under Han.

petaling:
SE stop all these Rivers this Rivers that! Be on your own, you have everything you need. You have oil in ABIA and Imo. You have large Gas reserve in Anambra and Enugu. You have large coal reserve in Enugu and part of Abia. You have PRODA in Enugu, the reserch institute that manufactured arms and ammunition and rocket during biafran war. Why cant you re-enact the technological feat attained in the 60"s. You have intellectual capacity, Your own daughter is MD world Bank, VP world bank. You have up 3000 medical doctors in Atlanta alone, busy now i will come back

There's no one from the south east that's an MD for the world Bank.

aribisala0:
http://blog.ted.com/2007/11/29/ron_eglash/


check this out!

Thanks.

Ndipe:
I dont know about Nigeria, but I can recall reading about a certain tribe in Mali and their expertise in the solar system even before the advent of colonialism. Please do your research before posting this write-ups.

You must be talking about the Dogon and their knowledge of Sirius.

pleep:
Ppl like paragonpro embarrass me so much. I really hope he's not an African

Unfortunately, this is a Nigerian and many Nigerians feel like this and worse, there are Nigerians that believe their ancestors wore leaves (only) before Europeans.

If that Igbotic stuff above is what can stand on its own (as well as them having an Eze) and gives them a Yoruba-Itsekiri comparison then Ika is Bini and anything above Uzuakoli is Jukun.

owhobrus:
who ever wrote this is a very big fool, if the ikwerre's say they are igbo's how does that add to your life? does it make u fatter? come on. use your time and life for something else.

Are you Ikwerre?

paragonpro:
As usual all sweeping generalization without any substance, yes i know that there were other forms of writing outside alphabet, but you did not give any example or even a googled link to the form of writing in pre-colonial Nigeria.

I never specifically said that we had no poet, what i said that we do not have any evidence of the poetry since we had no form of writing.

Here's a quote from one missionary in 1909 (you know, one of those people who taught Africans how to talk and bath)

The use of nsibidi is that of ordinary writing. I have in my possession a copy of the record of a court case from a town of Enion [Enyong] taken down in it, and every detail ,  is most graphically described

What he is referring to is nsibidi, a writing systems that uses symbols to represent words and ideas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsibidi

[center]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Ikpe_nsibidi.jpg/400px-Ikpe_nsibidi.jpg[/center]

And even if I can't find a poem written in nsibidi (there were stories though), I've given you an example of a whole court case. An African writing system!

And if you still don't believe this is a form of writing, go to Google books and search 'nsibidi writing system' and see published writers and researchers refer to it as a writing system, in fact I already did it for you: http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=nsibidi+writing+system&btnG=Search+Books

Now, let's move on to the other funny claims.

paragonpro:
All the pictures you posted shows no Architecture - Art yes but architecture no.

People live and work in them, it is architecture, unless you have an argument against this.

paragonpro:
To further deflate your Ego

If, as an African you're saying all this to "deflate my ego", then I wonder how you feel about yourself.

paragonpro:
i will educate you that apart form architecture and writing, pre-colonial Nigeria had no Number system

Otu, abuo, atọ, anọ. . . Anybody who speaks a language of Nigeria can give you a number system. In fact, you could have just Googled it and you would have seen some languages of Nigeria listed with Greek, Arabic and the rest, like here: http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number.html This makes me wonder how much you know about Nigeria.

paragonpro:
no mathematics,

So how did they trade when they used thing like Okpogho and Ikpeghe, oh that brings another thing, Nigerians had currency before Europeans arrived, the Europeans then called it Manilla, but the most common native name is Okpogho, they've been used for over one thousand years, here's one:

[center]https://m1.ikiwq.com/img/xl/dc42oJlv7fNEbzng0UeW6a.JPG[/center]

paragonpro:
no astronomy,

That would mean the various indigenous calendars do not exist, which also means that the various harvesting times did not exist, which also means that the various festivals do not exist (such as the new yam festival, and the traditional new years). Okay, why are some gods in traditional religions linked to planets? I would suggest you read the opening of Chinua Achebe's 'Arrow of God'.

paragonpro:
no formal monetary system

Already covered this, plus there were insurance and loan schemes.

paragonpro:
no science

Science is so broad that I don't know what you mean, even mixing herbs together is science.

paragonpro:
meanwhile ancient China, Greece, Egypt, Rome, Babylon, Persia, etc had all these.

Is that what you heard or what you studied?

The most important state now is obviously Anioma, but does Anioma stay in the South or the South East?