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Prince saha: He never killed for the church but satan incarnate....

hitler killed for the church...six million times.

texazzpete: Not me. 99% of the 'blasphemy' charges levied against non-muslims are totally false.

is that real research or did you just make that up on the spot?

@obadiah777
you mean the blood of the mighty Jesus only covere the 144? i got nothing?

@Obadiah777
if st. paul could only hear you now...

[quote author=Mr_Anony]If I gave you an answer, would you consider it?[/quote]of course.

my contention has always been: why didn't the All Loving God simply just forgive the sins?

if Jesus was God, when he was asked the fist of all commandments in mark 12:29 why did he say Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord"? if he was God why didn't he, there and then, just lay down 1 john 5:7?

tbaba1234:

I am a young dude o!!...

one wife and one marriage? good heavens! why

afam4eva: Have you seen any Christian killer who has said that he's killing in the name of Jesus?...

what difference does it make to the victims in whose name you kill them

dat boy dey play wit fire

[quote author=.bbpreye]and how does it affact the price of qarri at wuse market?[/quote]not on this thread. have a little class.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Glad to hear that. When we meet at the throne of Jesus we shall then be truly satisfied.[/quote]only am not going before the throne of Jesus am aiming to go before the Throne of the Father, the One, the Eternal.

@Lord_Reed
oh my friend i have already found my salvation and i have inner peace like you wouldnt believe. but thanks anyway.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]He didn't just claim it, He was, still is and always will be Divine. I don't have to prove anything, He is what He is. He is the One who demands your faith not me. All I need to do is point Him out to you, ball is in your court.[/quote]what he is, is:

1. someone who would not even accept being called “all good” because he knew that was a quality only the One True God possessed- mt19:17

2. someone who himself worshiped the One True God -mt 26:36-44

3. someone who never said “I am God” unlike the One True God who’s not shy to proclaim it- gen 35:11, exd 20:2, etc.

4. someone who constantly reminded his people he is only human-mt8:20,luk 9:44, Jhn 5:27

5. someone who was GIVEN power and authority by someone elsewho was All Powerful - jhn 5:30, Jhn 12:49, Jhn 13:3, Jhn 17:6-8, Jhn 7:16,

6. someone who wasn’t taken as God even by the people of his time- mt 16:13-20

[quote author=Lord_Reed]I didn't see this previously.

Ok David calls Him Lord because...[/quote]1. David didn’t call him lord. David didn’t speak english. the word he used is “adoni”. it’s not the same thing;

2. make up your mind whether Jesus is God, son of God orthe messiah;

3. if Jesus was there at the beginning then obviously so was David;

4. and you can’t say The Father did not fully reveal him because obviously David saw him;

5. sitting at the right had of The Father and being commanded to host heaven doesn’t make him God , it makes him someone that can be commanded;

6. and no, you do not speak my mind.

7. but here is what’s on my mind: you already have a prepared script and you desperately need this dialogue to fit into it so you can bring out whatever it is you say you are building up to otherwise you are lost. i find it hard to believe that in your bible, whatever version you use, from genesis to revelation that this is the only piece of scripture you have to make Jesus into God

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Hmmm, you are now being defensive. You are the one who wants to disprove Jesus' Divinity based on scripture...[/quote]you can label it whatever you like.

i dont have to disprove Jesus' diviunity becuase he never claimed it.

its you that is making him into something he is not. thus you are the one with something to prove.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]I get that feeling from you. I want to say something about all the questions you posed but it all builds up. These questions you keep side stepping are part of a build up. You seem to retreat from treating the substance of those questions to providing a conclusion which makes it unnecessary to do a follow-up. If before we have discussed all these things you have concluded that Jesus is not God have you not provided the deadlock yourself?[/quote]you can keep saying that if it makes you feel better.

i dont know why David called him "Adoni" . why did he?

dukno if wigs can be called accessories but i hate dam.n fake hair!

i see any woman wearing it as artificial from head to toe.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]I ask you the question because it you who is contesting His Divinity. Please do not retreat now to the "it is your bible" position, you quoted freely from it.

You still have not answered the question. I didn't ask you if David called Him God, I asked why David called Him Lord. You don't answer this and you didn't answer why Jesus could say He was before Abraham rather you jump to the conclusion that Jesus isn't God. Why do you skirt these questions to give an answer? Is it possible you have no answer to them?[/quote]sigh...why do i get the filling you are delibrately trying to deadlock this dialogue?

if you've had enough just say so.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]My question again for the sake of repetition and similar to what Jesus asked the Jews, how is Christ David's son if David calls Him Lord? And as a furtherance to understanding Jesus' Divinity (or lack as you say) how could Jesus assert that before Abraham was He was? These questions your post has not answered so please answer them lets proceed.[/quote]asked and answered.
the funny thing is i should be asking you you this question since its your bible.

but no matter. my answer again for the sake of repitition is: David never called him "Lord" as in God. (DAVID DIDNT SPEAK ENGLISH) the word is "Adoni" he could have used "Adonai" which is a more exclusive term for God which if thats what he wanted to say.

calling someone adoni doesnt maké him your God.

seems you missed it:

F00028: sorry. been busy today.
i was wondering why you didn't start with this from the get-go.

i believe the scripture above refers to Psalm 110:1. the person being addressed above (jews believe it's David, christians believe it's Jesus) was never actually called "God". He was called "Adoni", which is a term given to human kings for honor and respect (e.g my Lord, my king, etc...).

however, i don't blame you because translations often have it as "The LORD said to my Lord...." which creates the impression you have.

[quote author=F00028]Keeping that in mind it should read: GOD (Yahweh) said to my master (Adoni)

[quote author=Lord_Reed]You have not answered the question.[/quote]fine. be that way.
you answer me this: if Jesus was God, when he was asked the fist of all commandments in mr.12:29 why did he say Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord"? if he was God why didn't he there and then just lay down 1jo5:7?

[quote author=Lord_Reed]@F00028
Got banned for a bit.

As for your update I will address the issue of worship but let us first establish His Divinity so go on to answer why or how David calls Jesus Lord and how Jesus could have existed before Abraham if He is not of Divine origin.[/quote]thats easy. lord in that instance doesnt mean God.

Lord_Reed, I updated my previous post.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Sorry you are wrong. The word used in the Ps.110:1 is Adoneinu meaning My Lord which form is also used in Deut.6:4

Besides you also sidestep the fact that Jesus says "how can He be David's son when David calls Him Lord?" and Jesus also says before Abraham was I was.[/quote]Adoneinu? what is that?

I didn't sidestep anything. we are still on what " Lord" means in that particular passage.

"before Abraham was I was" is something you're bringing up only now. and if he was, how many of God's prophets of old taught the worship of Jesus when they were teaching men how to pray?

[quote author=Lord_Reed]You skip the matter at hand and bring up something else. In my hidden post I debunked your claim that God is not referred to as Adonai. I can't repeat the post because I think the spam bot has a problem with non-English stuff or something. Check Jewish Encyclopaedia for the meaning of Adonai and then come and tell us whether it doesn't refer to God.

Simple fact is Jesus did not deny His Divine origin.[/quote]you are mistaken. the word in psalms is "Adoni" not "Adonai"

and Adoni is used for humans meaning master, ruler, owner etc

am I supposed to remember all that...

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Can we stick to the topic at hand?[/quote]it is the topic at hand. a lot of our divergences emanate from mis:translations, interpretations and conceptions.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Isn't funny that this same Jesus says He is the Lord yet you beg to differ? What is "equivocal" about the scripture He quoted? Or Jesus did not mean what He said? Please tell me.[/quote]nothing funny about it if my salvation depends on it.

you know even in english " lord" doesn't automatically mean God, the One worthy of worship. otherwise in 2cor 4:4 SATAN is referred to as a god.

(btw in the original greek the words used for the devil in the verse above is HOTHEOS i.e The God. but the translators always give him small "g"

[quote author=Lord_Reed]In order words when Jesus quoted this scripture He was off His rocker right? He didn't know what He was talking about right? Okay I think you've made it clear that you will interpret scripture the way it suits you even when it plainly gives you the evidence you desire.[/quote]as do you.

that is why i asked you from the beginning if there was a simple, clear, unequivocal statement by Jesus saying he was God of that we should worship him. because i have learnt from the scriptures that when it comes to such a matter God doesn't leave room for doubt. see what i mean: Gen 35:11,Exd 16:12, Psa 46:10,Isa 41:10,Jer 32:27 and Eze 20:19

[quote author=Lord_Reed]At least you acknowledge He has being given the power, what you seem to contest is whether that makes Him God.
He is what Jesus says about that:

Matthew 22:41-45
King James Version (KJV)
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together,
Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is
he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth[b] David in
spirit call him Lord[/b], saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my
right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45[b] If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?[/b]

What further evidence do you need? He confirms that He sits on the right hand of The Father is He Divine or not?[/quote]sorry. been busy today.
i was wondering why you didn't start with this from the get-go.

i believe the scripture above refers to Psalm 110:1. the person being addressed above (jews believe it's David, christians believe it's Jesus) was never actually called "God". He was called "Adoni", which is a term given to human kings for honor and respect (e.g my Lord, my king, etc...).

however, i don't blame you because translations often have it as "The LORD said to my Lord...." which creates the impression you have.