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you know what they say: GROWING OLD IS MANDATORY, GROWING UP IS OPTIONAL!
south africa has chosen to grow up.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]How many of those sons sit at the Right Hand of The Father? How many have been given the job of executing judgment? How many are leading the angels of Heaven? How many are being worshiped by the very host in front of the throne of Heaven? Finally how many have been given all power and authority in Heaven and on Earth?

Jesus was well aware of His humanity but did not deny His Divine origins. If you want to ignore Him saying that He commands the hosts of Heaven well I have no idea what other proof of Divine origin you want.[/quote]there, you said it, "given". any power he may exercise is not his own and it doesn't make God.

on the contrary the man tells you again and again worship is due to The Father alone.

well all have divine origins. if think the birth of Jesus was miraculous you haven't considered Adam. he had no mother or father and yet he was. Jesus at least had a mother so the work was half done.

or you can look at Jeremiah. God said he knew him even before he was in his mother's womb and even then had already made him a prophet. it doesn't get more divine than that.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Are these the statements of a mere human? Do they not show someone who clearly has Divine origins? He says God is His Father and that He has the glory of His Father what more do you seek?[/quote]sigh...what I am asking for, you don't have. i ask because we know of God not leave such matters open to debate or misinterpretation and so you get clear, simple, unequivocal declarations like you find in: EX 20:5

obviously Jesus knew enough not to make such claims. on the contrary he quite candidly emphasises his HUMANITY as you see in Jhn 5:30. his knowledge is limited (mk 13:32), he was jew who came only for the jews (mk24-26), he declared there was only ONE TRUE GOD (mk 12:29) and that God is greater than he (joh 14:28) and it was to that God that he too prayed (Mat.26:36)

and another thing, God has got sons by the tons in the bible.e.g ex4:22, jer31:9, ps 2:7 and especially when the bible declares that He is OUR Father (mt 6.9). it is a pretty large group!

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Matt.7:21,22; 10:32,40; 11:27; 12:6,8,50; 13:41-43; 15:13; 16:13-17,19,27; 18:10,19,20,35; 19:28;22:41-45; 24:30,31; 25:31-46; 26:29,53,64; 28:18,20

There you go just from the Book of Matthew alone.[/quote]matt. 7:21-if it's because he says "My Father" then you should know that in matt. 6:9 he says "Our Father", in matt. 5:16 it's "Your Father"

ditto for for matt.10:32, 11:27, 18:10,19 and so on.

matt. 7:22- i don't see a proclaimation here

really Lord_Reed if you don't have something just say you don't have it. face it, the man himself NEVER claimed to be God, NEVER demanded worship, NEVER claimed any power other than the one given to him by the One True God (joh 17:3) the same way God had empowered other men before him.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Matt.7:21,22; 10:32,40; 11:27; 12:6,8,50; 13:41-43; 15:13; 16:13-17,19,27; 18:10,19,20,35; 19:28;22:41-45; 24:30,31; 25:31-46; 26:29,53,64; 28:18,20

There you go just from the Book of Matthew alone.[/quote]whoa!! that many? ok. i'll have a look and get back to you.

p.s hope you were mindful of the fact that I said "UNEQUIVOCAL".

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Jesus clearly assets His Divine origin in many places, to say no He didn't will make me the dishonest one. The Jews did not misunderstand His statements in that, they prefectly knew what He was claiming. You are the one who needs to accept that and go on from there.[/quote]very well then, I will. just show me the many places "Jesus clearly assets His Divine origin "

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Yes quite a number and the Jews of His time understood what He meant[/quote]that the Jews (mis)understood him doesn't really answer the question whether the man unequivocally claimed divinity.

first you should just answer honestly, "no". then we can take it from there.a

[quote author=Lord_Reed]How simple do you want the answer to be?...[/quote]this simple: is there a simple unequivocal statement where Jesus himself declares 'Godship'?
I ask because when he says stuff, all power is GIVEN unto me and I can of my own self do NOTHING, it nullifies all your fancy rhetoric.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]How simple do you want the answer to be?...
this simple: is there a simple unequivocal statement where he declares Godship'

How much simpler can it get?[/quote]

[quote author=Lord_Reed]The unity is not unity of body as some suppose but a unity of purpose and mind. Jesus does not have the same body as the Father nor do either of them have the same body as the Spirit.

There is no confusion if you understand this.[/quote]that unity of purpose is a nice angle. so Moses and God are one? and Abraham, Elijah, Ezekiel...?

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Unity does not imply sameness. Jesus said I am one with the Father He did not say I am the Father. What He implied was a unity which indicates an agreement which allows Jesus to share in the management of the universe. Jesus is still subject to the Father's decisions in the matters of the Kingdom. One of those decisions is the time of fulfillment which Jesus said the Father has reserved judgment for Himself.

Don't be confused.[/quote]how is an agreement which allows Jesus to share in the management of the universe indicated here

where else in the bible has Jesus ever claimed to have a hand in the management of the universe?

booqee: its the bolded!

you really know how to pick 'em...you too, slimdiggi

Jambsupport: n will ds return d price of petrol to N65/litre

no. but Buhari as president would have. N48.50 sef.

bjdon: IBB has body slammed him big time.
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he hasn't body slammed him yet. just hot air. but i'd sure like to see him try.

Reyginus: I think the concept of jihad has to be reviewed.

how?

[size=20pt]i will[/size]

why is this man fond of giving dates

"crack the bone and suck out the marrow"
you mean you no longer do that?
lol

what does that mean exactly?

nonen: ...I remember I mentioned devices that are phasing 'em out.

obviously you were wrong.

slimyem: Its only peeps stuck in the stone age that still have such useless mentality...
Having a male child is not as important as it used to be...
A female child these days is a good as a male child..
Learned and rational people know that!

it doesn't matter how learned or rational on is. the fact is the male is not like the female. one wont do on place of the other.

(btw I have two lovely little girls I wouldn't trade for ten boys...each!)

if a lesser mortal did this everyone will be quick to point to the deep psychological problems that lead to this kind is thing.

but since na "MOG", no problem

souldust: i heard the logo of the national assembly is to be at the reverse side. If that is true, then i think its a wrong decision. Why not the benin bronze head instead. Why the national assembly whose property is already on the two naira coin and whose members are all 'rogues and thieves'

see you! is it not their moni?

is there SHARIA in Lagos?

Nasri100: 5. I thought taking Raw garlic are good for the health?

good for health, bad for breath. everything has a down side

olaheavy: The OP only wants to know why the gullible kriyos are scared to death of death and all they can resort to is attack on Muslims. They're so ...

Olaheavy, that was heavy.

can't download anything from the android market. keep getting " an error has occurred please try again later"

frosbel: Run it's course means until such a time as when God decides your time is up or when you destroy yourself though drugs , alcohol or any other related vice.

In other words our life span is determined by how we live our lives here on earth in combination with natural and uncertain circumstances.

However, no one goes looking for death, only a FOOL will think otherwise.

we do agree on one thing: only a FOOL will go looking for death.

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]if that's the case why do the bible belivers fear it so?
maybe they take their cue from the biblical Jesus who did all he could to avoid his crucifixion (even though that's is alleged purpose on earth). and when it finally happened he saw it as a forsaking.

next time do some thinking.