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Ijeoma Obasi: Just hope this is no way connected to terrorism.

no, its only called terrorism if its in northern nigeria

@Ihedinobi
my second question: did Jesus himself teach the trinity in clear, unambiguous terms?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Why would God have it that way? Because God by nature of who He is, must mete out justice.[/quote]justice, yes but not punishment.
this is where a big problem lies for you: you cant seem to make a distinction between the two. you seem to think that once there's an infringement. God has to punish somebody...anybody.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]The sacrifice of Christ - having been crucified and resurrected - is how God shows mercy and at the same time metes out justice.[/quote]did Jesus Christ teach you that? because according to you Jesus determines the articles of the christian faith.

Ihedinobi: lol...... You really didn't get it?

did you?

the story of the prodigal son for me is the perfect illustration of the concepts of repentance and forgiveness. I just wanna sure Anony is not giving it a new spin to spoil it for me.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]True bro, consider the repentance of the prodigal son "....I am no longer worthy to be called your son..."

and here's the cool part of the story.....

.....but the father hugged him and said: "Kill the fatted calf!"[/quote]well, they very well couldn't eat it alive, now could they?

or do you mean to imply killing the calf was just to wash away the sins of child

Ihedinobi: Would you say that there's need to ensure no further hurt or infringement?

of course.

Ihedinobi: Wow, bro. That is a very clear way to put it @bolded. Thank you.

please see my response to Mr. Anony...lol

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[quote author=Mr_Anony]I agree that a wrong-doer can truly and sincerely be sorry. However, his sincerity does nothing to absolve him from his crime neither does his sincerity mandate the judge to forgive him....[/quote]I didn't say sincerity absolves. sincere repentance is a major factor in obtaining forgiveness. what does absolve is the forgiveness from the one offended (not just a mere uninvolved judge). stop mixing up the two.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Sincere repentance can be described as
the realization that you are in the
wrong, that you deserve punishment
and that you are willing to accept the
deserved punishment.
Repentance is never done in the hope
that punishment will be withheld,
rather it is a surrender to justice. When
you ask for forgiveness, you are not
asking not to be punished, what you
are really asking for is that your
relationship with the offended be
restored.[/quote]I AGREE..but (you knew this was coming) once you have been forgiven there is no need to punish you or any one else in your stead.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I agree that a wrong-doer can truly and sincerely be sorry. However, his sincerity does nothing to absolve him from his crime neither does his sincerity mandate the judge to forgive him....[/quote]I didn't say sincerity absolves. sincere repentance is a major factor in obtaining forgiveness. what does absolve is the forgiveness from the one offended (not just a mere uninvolved judge). stop mixing up the two.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Sincere repentance can be described as
the realization that you are in the
wrong, that you deserve punishment
and that you are willing to accept the
deserved punishment.
Repentance is never done in the hope
that punishment will be withheld,
rather it is a surrender to justice. When
you ask for forgiveness, you are not
asking not to be punished, what you
are really asking for is that your
relationship with the offended be
restored.[/quote]I AGREE..but (you knew this was coming) once you have been forgiven there is no need to punish you or any one else in your stead.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Let me ask you a question: What do you know the Trinity to be?[/quote]Ihedinobi:
"That's what the Trinity explains:
three People, one God, each of Them fully God and all of Them together God."

Ihedinobi: Here's your answer, sir. It's the best for your question's demands.

in other words, NO! none of God's appointed, before Jesus, ever taught man such a thing as the trinity.

Ihedinobi: Perhaps the reason the Bible
does not devote specific teaching to the
subject of the Trinity is that, like so many
fundamentals known in science, you
cannot fully explain and define a
fundamental. You can only understand it in
light of its effects or results.

perhaps? you want to hinge my salvation on a "perhaps"?

besides when Jesus was asked the fundamental of all commandments he said: the Lord our God is One Lord! how difficult is that.

Ihedinobi: Here's your answer, sir. It's the best for your question's demands.

in other words, NO! none of God's appointed, before Jesus, ever taught man such a thing as the trinity.

Ihedinobi: Perhaps the reason the Bible
does not devote specific teaching to the
subject of the Trinity is that, like so many
fundamentals known in science, you
cannot fully explain and define a
fundamental. You can only understand it in
light of its effects or results.

perhaps? you want to hinge my salvation on a "perhaps"?

besides when Jesus was asked the fundamental of all commandments he said: the Lord our God is One Lord! how difficult is that.

Ihedinobi: lol...... You could ask questions if you want. I am ready and willing to offer explanations within reason.

ok. first question: did any of God's prophets, chosen, anointed, etc before Jesus teach the trinity?

Ihedinobi: Yes, I am. And I fully acknowledge that Jesus is a Separate Person from the Father. That's what the Trinity explains: three People, one God, each of Them fully God and all of Them together God.

i don't know many times christians believe if they repeat that, its going to make sense to the rest of us.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I think my answer was straightforward enough.


Good. now let us look at your analogy shall we?

Now, the consequences of breaking curfew is that danger may befall you outside. Flogging is not the true consequence of of breaking curfew, it is just a corrective measure to keep you in check. That's an aside.

Now let us come to the part where you admit ftyou are wrong:- I want you to note that by admitting your wrongdoing, you are essentially accepting that you deserve punishment, therefore any punishment meted out to you is justified.

...promising that you will not do it again is fine but it does not get you of the hook. In fact if you are truly repentant, you will not be using that phrase with the hope of manipulating the situation so that you can go scot-free. Rather you will be saying it because you realize that what you did was wrong and ought never to be repeated.

Now this being your state, you can only hope that your father will forgive you and let things go. By law, you deserve punishment. For your father to forgive you, he has to withhold the law. In essence, every time your father shows mercy, he is abusing his laws.

Do you get it up to this point?[/quote]no, Anony that was not a straight answer…but moving on.

You see you assume too much: a wrong doer can be SINCERELY sorry in which case his promise/resolve not to go back to the wrong ways indicates the extent of his shame (if you can call it that) AND NOT any hope manipulating the situation to go scot-free. This shouldn’t be that difficult for you to accept unless you believe people can only be innately bad.

Now back to the law. Yes, I deserve punishment BUT to be punished there is what the lawyers call a silent proviso that: I am unrepentant. This is clear because my father does not punish the truly repentant, he forgives, which makes me without sin, thus punishing me in that case would be unlawful .

He is not abusing his laws, he is implementing them to the letter.Perhaps it’s the ‘letter’ you don’t see.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]For exercise purposes, could you be so nice as to paint for us a step by step scenario of where you offend your mortal father (who we'll assume loves you) and how you go about obtaining forgiveness?
please don't leave out to state the consequence of your offence had you not been forgiven.[/quote]sure: for our own good we have a 9 pm curfew at my house, violaters get 10 lashes of the italian leather belt, I break curfew, I run to my father, admit am wrong, promise not to do it again, father sees am truly sorry, forgives me and says "go forth and sin no more." that's it.

I dont expect my father to insist that even though he has forgiven me he still has to lash somebody so he'll just lash the youngest child for my transgressions.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Father forgive them for they know not what they do[/quote]a straight answer woulda been nice. are you saying the sinner doesn't have to repent just be ignorant

in christianity is repentance of the sinner a factor in obtaining God's forgiveness? i ask because those people to this day are not sorry and they still refer to Jesus in uncomplimentary terms.

in christianity is repentance of the sinner a factor in obtaining God's forgiveness? i ask because those people to this day are not sorry and they still refer to Jesus in uncomplimentary terms.

plappville: 1 John 5:14 This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us

It is Gods will for us to be forgiven of our sins. When Jesus asked God to forgive them, sure God will listen to Him, that is, He will forgive them if they realise they have sinned, but if they don't but continue in sin, that forgiveness will be cancelled.

if the biblical God could forgive then why did Jesus have to die anyway

[quote author=Ile-Ife]I know your type. you will soon start bombarding us with the 800 years old crusader stories. Is iran not supplying weapons to militants all over the world Hezbollah etc. didn't Nigeria arrest one some months ago. Is Malaysia not supplying money to southern thailand islamic rebels?[/quote]DO YOU HAVE PROOF of Iran and Malaysia? or are you relying on the word of the same people that said saddam hussein had WMDs

lastpage: ^^^^^Then we must separate the "concept/policy" (polygamy) from the practitioners (individuals involved) so that we can do a detail analysis of HOW the practitioners of TODAY get/are getting it wrong!

Like in your example, if a 'great company' winds-up, its not necessarily because people ain't buying its product no more, its principally because it was mismanaged by the 'Execs'/decision makers (the people)!

And l guess thats why in Human Resource Management, "the people" are considered the "greatest asset"...as well as the "greatest challenge" of any corporation.

Its no lie that Polygamy has worked, has been seen to work...........before.

Now, What changed?
Is it the men? Is it the women!

That is where the 'koko' lies.

Lastpage!

its the unrealistic expectations!...for starters.

Hear o Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord
mark 12:29

MRbrownJAY: is a blood test also that difficult to get?



they are NOT, but have the same requirement/desires.

you know a simple blood test is not that definitive.

If they are NOT then you cant expect them to have same needs, requirements, desires, etc.

MRbrownJAY: lol, you are searching for issues where there are none.
is there no DNA test available to prove who the father is?

you make it sound like a DNA test is something us poor folks can get over the counter at the local chemist.

MRbrownJAY: it would work as simply as this: WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS EVEN BETTER FOR THE GANDER.

that's assuming the goose and the gander are the same.

[quote author=Mrs.Chima]Just like I don't know why many Nigerian women accept/claim their husband's children from previous marriages. Don't you see how stup!d that sound?

why don't you conduct the research since you are curious.[/quote]there you said it yourself but seems you missed it: "HUSBAND'S CHILDREN"

am not the one trying to refute a time honoured institution like polygamy.

[quote author=Mrs.Chima]You obviously don't know anything about women (properly so called). [/quote]oh I know women, I do. but I don't know what kinda man (properly so called) would let another man claim his child.


[quote author=Mrs.Chima]@bolded...I didn't know I had to do a research on family samples. [/quote]well, yes. seems like the decent thing to do if you're gonna be putting it out like that.

[quote author=Mrs.Chima]What difference does it make who is the father[/quote]you obviously dont know anything about men (properly so called).


[quote author=Mrs.Chima]And from your comment...you will indulges in polygamy because the wife have her period What if all the wives have their periods at the same time...[/quote]what are the odds of that in, e.g, the family you visited?

Eziachi: Its not atomic science, polygamy is the biggest spreading agent of HIV is the sub Sahara African...

you are right. its not atomic science, ITS PURE FICTION!

anyone ever consider: it might not be the game...it might the players? am just saying...

lastpage: ...Of course Women dont like it (just like those chickens and other living things dont like sharing their partners!) ...

who told you chicken give dam.n?! i've raised thousands and i ain't ever seen one bat an eyelid.