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Ibime:
^^^The story follows no logic at all. . .

If the body is already decomposing, how can they determine that the deceased was killed by blows to the body rather than hanging?. . . and how exactly did they come to their conclusion that the deceased was murdered?


Nigerian journalism leaves a lot to be desired. . . .

Forensic tests can determine how the deceased died and also narrow it down to the most likely object/weapon used for the murder.

I get you point though, how were they able to come to an immediate conclusion that the accused struck the fatal blow and faked his (deceased) suicide several days after the murder ?

Posted by: edoyad
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Quote from: Andre Uweh on Today at 11:09:16 AM
That particular capo may be evil, but should not be a generalization. I know one capo in London who has used his law chamber to bring justice to so many Nigerians who have been denied justice in the UK without asking for fees.
Some have assisted Nigerians with getting jobs, accommodation etc. A lot of them are heaven sent.


then our linguistics genius follows with
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Quote from: Katsumoto on Today at 12:08:37 PM
Correct, I know so many capos and most are very nice now while there are those who choose to remain evil.


Now please, can NL please help me understand which of these two posters implied that most his "capos" are nice and helpful fellas ?

But our genius returns a post later to say he didn't say capo's are helpful and he only mentioned that "some capos" are nice. Mean while he forgot he started his post with "correct", in acquiescence to everything in the preceding

Edoyad, dat one na right under the bus you troway am. Sofly sofly make person no go hang himself.

People no know say sincerity na the only way to not get entangled in dem own web, because dem no need to remember the last thing dem talk in order to remain consistent. If dem send dem make dem go espionage , na so dem go just catch dem.

ndu_chucks:
Uncle Joe ko, auntie Jemima ni. Goodluck Jonathan has never campaigned for any elected office on his own, he has simply ascended to various offices out of coincidence. The man has no real vision to move Nigeria forward, if he does, he is yet to tell the electorate about it.

The earlier you people started demanding the very best leadership for yourselves, the better off incoming generations will be. Stop worshiping a visionless GJ simply because he is from your region, you should have been more sophisticated than that, by now. olodo.

Any fool can top the achievement of Nigeria's recent heads of state.

Please post links or text of GJ vision and plans for Nigeria or his master plan. This man is uniquely positioned to make some bold and positive revolutionary moves - my esp tells me that he is not a true leader who can do such.

I wonder what you people will do when sisi GJ announces to the world that he will honour the PDP power rotation agreement and wait until 2015.

Alhaji Ndu_Chuks, how far ? You have started using olodo as fullstop again. Anyway, Beaf is equal to the task.

People are saying that things have improved under Jonathan. I was in Owerri/Umuahia a coupla weeks ago and noticed an improvement in electric and petrol supply compared to about 6 months ago. That doesn't look like the result of lack of vision on Jonathan's part.

I think he should be given a chance to try his best.

I know that he has been on a political horse back all these while, but that doesn't mean that he is incapable of charting his own course. By the way, show me the alternative to Jonathan.

If the alternatives are IBB, Buhari and Atiku and Jonathan fails to rig himself in, I will personally lay ambush and give him 24 lashes with koboko custom made by Ndu_Chuks.

O.k just kidding, may the man with the most votes win. People deserve the kind of leaders they elect anyway.

sjeezy8:

you said Zik and okpara which means two peoples achievements combined - we are talking about One person's Achievements. and you are using two different people who headed the East.

Awolowos only was premier of the West -1952 to 1960- By himself.

you are saying Zik and opkara 1957-1967- Both together and after Awolowos time.
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If you compare dates even a blind man can see that Awolowo was years before both Zik and okpara - like really.
This is from your own statements. Its like your helping his argument that Awolowo BY HIMSELF had no equals, by you comparing Awolowo with- BOTH ZIK AND OKPARA.

If you have to compare Two people (Zik and Okpara) to one person (Awo) - doesnt that mean that individually the two you compared to Awo - arent equal to him?

Thats like common sense.

Zik (go and look up his profile) did his stuff while he could but Okpara achieved more for the eastern region. Nationally, Zik had more relevance than Awolowo. He was president and Awolowo was a back bencher end of. Even the Nigerian govt has confirmed that --- you only need to look at N100 and N500 to confirm that.

When asked about Awolowo's achievements other than a football stadium, a multi story building, University of Ife, TV station and free education, you were unable to provide any, yet you have the temerity to say he was the greatest leader Nigeria ever had because you live in your own little world.

Others advised you several times that he was not a national but a regional leader, you were still hell bent on eulogising him above more worthy leaders. Name his other achievements or shut it. I am not going to be sucked into an everlasting argument on this.

bk/babe97:
. . . . . . And because of those achievements we say to u, Dear Sir, have a merry christmas!!! Freakn disgusting Ibo man! Noone is comparing your Mr Zik or Your Mr Okpara (whoever the hell he is) to Mr Awo: YOU IBOS ARE THE ONES CRYING ALL OVER THE THREAD THAT  MR AWO DID NOT DO ANYTHING FOR YALL!!! Do not confuse the topic, get it right in your head!!! Mr Zik/Okpara did all that, so why the hell are your brethrens crying that Mr Awo did nada for them? Is it just that Ibos are freakn greedy and ,as always, WANT IT ALL TO THEMSELVES? Is this why the rest of Nigeria scared of yall, your greed?!?!

Knob head, if you had any sense you would remember that I once told you that I would not descend to your level for any reason. I will advise you to go back to the cheap drugs you are taking and be happy.

babapupa:
All you did was assert the same thing we've been saying. You basically confirmed that Awolowo was a leader, he showed and paved the way for the rest of Nigeria. All the yeye in quick pursuit basically = follow follow.

pursuit = somebody with superior brains, intellect and strong leader dey ahead of you and your leaders.

Obviously, the man was ahead of Nigeria itself talk less of your villages back east.

He impacted the rest of the country because the rest of the country followed him and duplicated his achievements like you clueless pointed out.

He impacted your life because you just stated that your leaders pursued and duplicated his achievements. I don't know about some of you head in the sand Igbo people, it's either you're slow or just bipolar.

It beats me how some of you just dey talk with little or no common sense.


Jakande himself go slap you for putting his name ahead of Awolowo,

I don't  like merry go round talks, but did Azikiwe and Bello also follow him with UNN (with branches in Nsukka, Enugu and Calabar (now UNICAL)  , the defunct Eastern Region University (now Forestry Institute)  and ABU ? Did Azikiwe also follow Awolowo with newspaper establishment and bank founding ? For the records, Western region followed the founding of ACB by founding National Bank.

He built cocoa house ? An ordinary  building for crying out loud and you want to compare that with the industrial and agricultural revolution by Okpara ? Tv station and stadium that others also built in the same era ? Free education that his people needed more than those that went to school in the eastern region regardless of cost ?

You  just stay in your small cocoon and imagine that is the extent of the world.

Without naming all the achievements by ENDC between 57 and 67 (zik/Okpara), if you can provide a few examples to replicate the following achievements , then your Awolowo tried for you. Also, besides Ibadan where else did he build anything  in the western region.

The projects executed by the ENDC during the period 1957-1967 include among others, AbaTextile Mills, Ltd, Aba; Nigeria Cement Company Ltd., Nkalagu; Universal Insurance Co. Emene Gas Plant, Niger Steel, Trans-Ekulu Industrial Estate, Trans-Amadi Industrial Estate and the Emene Industrial Estate. You have the Hotel Presidential in Port Harcourt and Enugu.

Glass Company Ltd., PortHarcourt; Cross River Mills Ltd.; ENDC Filling Stations;

Cooperative Bank of Eastern Nigeria; Progress Hotel, Enugu; Catering Rest Houses, Enugu; Livestock Project, Ukpor; Boatyard, Opobo; Eastern Regional Medical Centre. Others are African Real Estate and Investment Company; Niger Steel Company, Emene; Niger Cement Company; African Continental Bank; Odagwa Rubber Estates at Odagwa, Oji River , Ndi Oji Abam, Elele, and Biakpam; Oil Palm Estate, Eket; Cocoa Estates at Obudra, Ikom, Boje; Cattle Ranch at Obudu,

Industrial clusters at Enugu, PH and Aba, Golden Guinea brewery Umuahia, Ceramics industry Umuahia, Calabar Cement , etc.

EzeUche:
Dr. Michael Okpara was a better leader than Awolowo if you want to compare tribal chieftains. I support revering Okpara more than I would ever revere the "Great" Zik of Africa. But to say Awolowo had no equal. Please!


"Dr. Michael Okpara, a strong advocate of what he termed “pragmatic socialism,” Dr. Okpara reasoned that Nigeria’s salvation hinged on agricultural revolution. To this end, he acquired and managed a large farm in his hometown; thus inspiring many Eastern Nigerian leaders to take up interest in farming. Apart from revolutionizing Agriculture in Eastern Nigeria, Dr. Okpara has to his credit the industrialization of such notable Nigerian cities as Enugu (Eastern Nigeria’s government seat), Port Harcourt, Calabar, Aba and his hometown of Umuahia. He also championed the educational and infrastructural development of Eastern Nigeria. Successive Eastern Nigerian leaders (governors of Abia, Anambra, Akwa Ibom, Cross River, Rivers, Ebonyi, Imo, Bayelsa and Enugu states) have yet to build upon the selfless leadership and accomplishments of Dr. Okpara."

Dr, Okpara did not even have a house to his name by the time he left office. What a man, but we still are not going to say he was the greatest.

When Malam Umaru Altine (from sokoto) became fought for election and became the first lord mayor of Enugu, FACE did not sponsor him neither did FACE sponsor Azikiwe in the west. He who dares wins. If you want something you ask for it and look for support.

Anybody is free to be the governor of Abia state as long as they live and do their business in Abia, afterall what did we benefit from Kalu and Orji ?

Usually, I do not have time for round abouts so you have tried in that regard. It's good you are taking a bow, but my points have been made.

Back to topic. Awo was a great leader only to Yoruba people. Okpara and Mbakwe were eons ahead of him in achievement, but I would not call them the greatest Nigerian leaders because their areas of influence did not extend to all parts of Nigeria.

Katsumoto:
Whatever rights you think Zik, or anyone else for that matter, had, the fact remains that Yoruba sons rejected him as their leader. They decided to go for a Yoruba leader and going by the way events played out, they made the right decision.

Ok, you agree that he had the right to vie for that leadership, but he did not get enough support to sail through. That position is very different from "he had no moral right" to vie for leadership, when he already was a constituent representative, elected by people who unlike yourself see things beyond the ethnic line.

Katsumoto:
You seem to have gotten this argument mixed up somewhere. Did Zik not contest and win a seat in the Western House of Assembly? This discussion was centred on whether he had the moral right to be the leader of the Western house. I only responded to the points that you made when you entered the debate. The fact remains that a few Easterners won elections in the West. Yoruba people have the right to decide who leads them Yorubaland. If they do not want an Igbo man to lead/represent them, you can not fault them for that. Afterall, a non-Easterner did not lead the East and a non-northerner did not lead in the North. Also, Zik used Igbo numbers and influence to replace Eyo Ita who was Efik.

Did any non-easterner win any seats in the East or did any non-northerner win seats in the North? That Yoruba people were liberal enough to allow non-westerners to contest and win elections in the West should not lead to tham accepting a non-westerner leading them. I am not going to repeat this point again. If you argue otherwide, then I beg you to please convince one of your non-igbo friiends to run as governor of your state and also convince your kinsmen to vote for him.

By the way, George Galloway won the seat in Bethnal Green and Bow, an area with a high concentration of Asians, after campaigning for palestinian rights and being against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where anti-war sentiments were high in 2005. Little wonder he lost the election in 2010. Why did he not try his popularity in a predominanly english constituency in Surrey, Kent, or the west of England?

The Yoruba people had a right to decide who their leader was is very different from "why should Zik aspire to be that leader" and referencing the UK. Why did Michael Howard lead the English Tory party, even though he is at best Welsh ?

By your arguement, George Galloway shouldn't have contested in Bethnal Green because he is not "like them".

If the "Yoruba people were liberal to allow" non Yoruba to fight and win elections in their respective constituencies , do  you think that they would not like the constituency representative to lead the house with the hope that his leadership might skew some favours their way ? Also, if they showed acceptance of those people at constituency level, why would those people not be encourage to vie for leadership knowing that they already enjoy some trust and support.

I daresay that it is the responsibility of every constituency representative to vie to represent his constituency at the highest level, therefore Zik was very right to vie for that leadership and he also had reasonable support in that regard.

Katsumoto:
In UK politics, politicians have to go to constituencies, sometimes different from where they live or were born, to contest. But the central theme to all these is that English politicians contest in English constituencies while Scottish politicians contest in scottish constituencies. You asked the question about Tony Blair so why don't you answer it. Why did Tony Blair, who was a third generation English man in scotland, not contest in Scotland and you will finally grasp the point that I am making. I never stated anything about people contesting where they were born or where they live. My point is that people contest in the same region as others like them.

Now you talk about Michael Howard whose dad was Romanian-Hungarian. The same Michael Howard whose father changed his Hungarian name, Hecht, to Howard after moving to England. So why did he change his name to an English name? Did he have a Wesh name or an English name? The fact is that many English people think Michael Howard is English. He even contested a seat in Liverpool twice but lost before contesting in folkestone and Hythe. The other fact is that it is easier for other nationalities to be accepted in England or Scotland as long as they act English

I really don't like round abouts, but I will obige you just this once. George Galloway is a Scot and has represented English and Scottish constituencies at different times, but you keep shooting yourself on the foot. Your question was why should Zik contest in the western region and referenced UK. The same you also confirmed that you could contest elections in the UK outside your place of residence or birth. Do you now see that it doesn't make sense to reference UK in support of your position ?

Are you arguing about acceptability or what ? Should Zik have had some prejudice for himself or are you saying that the westerners' prejudice on him was justified ? So it would have been Ok for Zik to have changed his name to Olumide in order to hoodwink people to accept him. Michael Howard's dad change of name was for reasons best known to him, afterall that Umunna guy did not change his name and colour to win. There are 5 Igbo councilors in my local authority some of whom were born in Nigeria, did they change their names or color to win ? How about that Yoruba mayor in Ireland, why did he not go back to Nigeria if he wanted to be a politian ?

Look for another angle, because even you have confirmed that anyone is fre to fight elections wherever he chooses to in the UK.

Katsumoto:
You are buttressing the point that I made without realising it. Did I suggest that Zik should have contested in the North because he was born in the North. I asked, 'have you observed an English man winning an election in Scotland or a scot winning an election in English?' The fact that Tony Blair, an English man, born in scotland but represented an English consitutuency buttresses my argument nicely. Why did Blair not contest in Scotland after all he was born there?

I thot someome might come back with that, so I also came up with Michael Howard to deter that person. So why didn't Michael Howard contest in Wales where he was born or not at all since he is Romanian by decent ? Tony Blair was at least a third generation Scot and you think he wasnt Scot enough to have contested in Scotland ? His dad was born in Scotland and was also adopted in Scotland. Michael Howard was only a second generation Welsh man.

Now to answer your question; I thought that it would have been obvious that they simply contested where they lived which were their defacto constituencies. The Milliband brothers represent different constituencies for the same reason. George and Jeff Bush were governors of two differents states at the same period for the same reason. Your constituency is where you live most of the times. Look for another angle on this one cos you can't provide a reason why Zik shouldn't have contested in western Region by referencing UK and USA, it simply falls flat.

To the ant on the table, the world is flat ! Lack of broad world view can only lead to ignorant statements/declarations.

Yoruba people revere Awolowo, and maybe rightly so in their opinion because he impacted on their lives thus : University in Ife, First TV stations in Africa, Liberty Stadium, Ikeja industrial estate,  and most of all, free primary education.

While all those achievements are laudable, declaring Awo the best Nigerian leader would be akin to the World series games in America where only American teams participate and are crowned world champions.  

Like for like, he was matched or even outshined by other regions at the time.

First TV Station : Yes, but in quick pursuit were Northern Nigeria TV by Ahmadu Bello and ENBC/TV by Okpara.

OAU: Before OAU, There was UNN. OAU showed up in 1962 alongside ABU and Eastern Region University (defunct after the civil war and now known as Forestry Research institute of Nigeria Umuahia.)

Liberty stadium : Ahmadu Bello Stadium, Tafawa Balewa Stadium (Altho not built by the regional govt). Enugu stadium developed from Railway playing fields.

Ikeja industrial Estate (Yaba and Apapa were built by the FG): In the east, there were industrial centres in Aba, Enugu and trans Amadi Industrial Layout in PH. Golden Guinea Breweries and Ceramics industry in Umuahia, Nkalagu Cement and erstwhile Calabar Cement factory were all legacies of Michael Okpara. I do not know about Bello, but he might have done something similar in the north too.

Free education: short lived, albeit commendable. It was only at primary level and was his prerogative.  The north should have followed suit in that regard, but the eastern region embraced western education with both arms and since people went to school in any case, the regional govt found it more important to channel their resources elsewhere. The records show that they did not lag behind in education as result of not following suit with free education.

In mordern times, did Awo really surpass Jakande ? Well, he did not surpass Mbakwe for sure.

Mbakwe to Imo and Abians was a god. In terms of layout and design, only Abuja beats Owerri. The streets are straight as graph. I don't know of any other City in Nigeria (apart from Umuahia to an extent) with a network of underground sewer system, which link all the drainage (gutters) in the city centre. The second state University (after Anambra) and initiative to self-tax and build Imo airport to mention a few, were all part of Mbakwe's legacies.

Yes, Awolowo was your god, but he can't be god to all.


To all those talking about contesting election elsewhere and using UK as an example, all I can say is that you shot yourselves on the foot. Tony Blair for instance was born in Scotland and represented an English constituency. Michael Howard was born in Wales to a Romanian father, represented an English constituency, was tory leader and could have become the Premier had the tories won. Examples abound and ignorance is no longer bliss.

The global financial crisis was a tsunami of some sort. Most economies were affected and some of them went burst as a result. As events unfolded, several people were in denial and pointed fingers elsewhere. Senator McCain said that the US economy was solid.

In quick succession, Leyman bros, Morgan Stanley, Fannie Mai, Freddie, HBOS, Northern Rock, etc gasped for breadth and fell, but some ostriches out there were quick to point at Russia and blame their (Russian) stock woes on their actions in Georgia while pretending that western economies were less affected. In no time at all, everyone was looking at China and praying that the Chinese economy did not falter. The global crisis was fully on, at full speed.

NSE was also on its knees, as many stocks became penny stocks. Bank shares took a major hit in line with the global scenario. However, it was remarkable that the banks did not go under or needed to be rescued at the height of the crises. This was mainly as a result of the consolidation exercise by Soludo and also for the fact that Nigeria has cash driven economy and the mortgage sector is almost non-existent. The banks survived.

Soludo left and when Sanusi entered the scene, he found that four banks had cooked their books and he took some decisive actions. Before we judge Sanusi, let us consider that it is his responsibility to ensure that banks operate within a set guideline, in order to protect the shareholders and depositors.

Before we vilify Soludo, let us also consider that those banks were four out of many and the fact that they never sought for bailout, met their obligations to their shareholders and depositors were enough reason for Soludo to buy the books they presented as their financial positions. It is one thing to cook books but quite another to pay dividends, salaries, depositors money, recurrent expenditure and other overhead costs.

Let us consider the position of those banks. Who are/were their debtors? Government contractors who are still owed by the govt, Business moguls, Directors or who? Did they take adequate securities or did they go the gambling way, which backfired?

My take on this issue:

1.Sanusi is acting as he best believes would ensure the stability of the banks and he has nothing to gain by consciously wrecking the economy.
2.He should have applied discretion while dealing with the situation and he would have still achieved the same result without putting the economy at more risk than was necessary, because we are in an era where even a rumour from the pepper market is enough to cause a panic in the economy, how much more when the gist comes from the horse himself.

3.He should have given the said banks the opportunity to try and consolidate their financial positions before acting in a unilateral manner.

4.He should be allowed to execute his working agenda; after all we cannot blame him for finding cooked books. The blame should be on those that cooked the books.

I am still undecided as to the direction he would eventually take the banks/economy. Everyone has his style and I believe that he is from the old school, the conservative school.

I am more or less a bullish person and believe that you need to dare to win. However, I accept that bullish ways may not always be the best approach as it is littered with risks.

I would expect that he is allowed to chart his own way forward while trying to get banks to start lending again, keeping the interest rates at affordable level, consolidating the banking industry and adopting policies to target small and medium scale industries.

With regards to the original post, there is nothing to suggest that depositors would have lost their funds if Sanusi had given the banks the opportunity to seek for funds if they were in trouble.

Katsumoto:
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Odegbami played 7.

That's correct and Adokiye played 11

Okocha is my number one pick but you gotta mention:

Amesiemaka Adokiye ( the man with the junior and senior mesmerism according to Ernest Okonkwo. Who remembers the legendary commentator Ernest Okonkwo ? The guy was a human encyclopedia. In his days, you watched footy with the TV volume off while you had your radio on, listening to his on the spot analysis of the game and his choice of words. Such a legend.) learnt a lot from Adokiye in terms of skill.

Samson Siasia : very good movement with the ball and a ball hustler.

Sam Okwaraji : flamboyant player like Jay jay, but also good. He fell where he played. A hero.

Mutiu Adepoju : Similar to Siasia in a way.

Henry Nwosu : Small but mighty, full of skill and packed some good shots

Segun Odegbami : Very good movement and if my childhood memory is correct, he was a flank master. (No 11)

Chairman Chukwu : You went nowhere near Okala with Chukwu on the pitch.

Rashidi Yekini : The most successful striker so far , but I can't forget the game against Italy and when the commentator screamed, " a goaaal for Nigeriaaaa but Rashidi Yekini said noo" He was a good finisher tho.

Emanuel Amuneke: A flank master , can't forget his diving header against Bulgaria, nor his strikes at 94 nations cup finals.


How about Oliha, Olise, Finidi etc. ?

Leave that thing, we have had some good player. The current players are still earning their dues, we shall see their greatness or not in retrospect.

mekuszyx:
^^^^^^^
Ok, you got me there ; 1996 was during Abacha's time. May be he built it under the influence of an Igbo omoge!! Hhahaha!
But glad to note that some federal presence is finally coming or being converted in AlaIgbo.

Good to know that too, but if the power sector could be fixed we would get back to the way we used to be, when private industries were springing up left right and centre in the east. I am venturing into that as well, but I have the power need figured out already.

The amount of moribund or dead private industries in the east is alarming and it is painful to know that erstwhile thriving industries have succumbed to superior fire power of incompetent governments. A lot of those companies should by now,  have been on the list of companies some other African/Asian/S.American countries were keeling over to attract to invest in their respective countries.

mekuszyx:
An aboki president will probably prefer the mill to rot away than hand it over to a competent state state govt. Kudo to Jonathan

But Field Marshal Mekus, "Aboki" built it in the first place or was that a pseudo aboki ?

Thats a good question
Im not an Umuahia man but I have Umuahia family and my friends  they always used to argue about nwga people coming from the Bush. No lie- thats the truth. it was all fun and games tho but that belief had to come from somewhere.

Discrimination within tribes happens everywhere.

No one invited you. No enlightened Umuahia person would call Ngwa people bush.

Their city Aba started life as a town at about the same time as Umuahia when the railway passed through around 1908. Before then, they weaved their textiles (akwete) and we did our pottery and we went to the same markets. They came to ours and we went to theirs.

Both places were doing quite well but their town grew bigger than ours, many times over so there was no basis to call them bush, eventhough Umuahia was the biggest palmoil export processing hub in Nigeria and by default , the world.

When, I am ready, I will take Chinenye on other issues and not the superiority or inferiority of his people or mine.

I remember driving all the way out from Owerri to Calabar to board a plane to Lagos, and not realizing there was an airport right in Owerri, that would have cut my journey by half, if only that information were made available to me somehow. I was visiting and there was no information centre or desk to even help.

If you lived in owerri like you claimed, how come you were relying on a phantom help desk to inform u that there was an airport in a city you lived in and then embarking on a 3-4 hours trip to Calabar when good ol' PH airport was only 40mins - 1hr away (approx 70KM or 45 miles), which is common knowledge to any person that has lived in Owerri ?

Now Old-John may not be good at spinning webs anymore, but you wont catch him entangled in its own web.

I will cut you some slack because I know that you have got the point and I also know of your need to protect legendary pride.

That is NOT TRUE. You don't have all things figured out, you know that right? My Drive from Owerri to PH took me 3 to 4 hours. Unless you can PROVE it never happened, I suggest you stick to that which you can PROVE.

Now, I am confused. What has your journey to PH have to do with your claim that you travelled all the way to Calabar to catch a flight because there was no "help desk" in Owerri and you couldn't be bothered with asking Mama Chi-Chi.

If you went to PH from Owerri, why did you not catch a flight from there rather than going to Calabar ? If you lived in Owerri like you claimed, you know that your "phantom" 3-4 hours drive to PH was not the norm but was caused by something major.

I have a spider named Old-John, he seems to have lost the ability to spin a web could you give him a hand ?

When you are in a hole, stop digging. Don't even push that travel time argument.

@ Chinenye, little things make or mar the credibility of ones position in an argument. One of these days when I have some time on my hand, I will puncture most of your postulates on the Ngwa (we share boundries with you). Just you wait.

@Abagworo, I am addressing you here since the Latest Tirade from this fellow is directed at you. If you are honest and reasonable, you would at least ask this person how he knows ANY OF THE THINGS he claims of My PERSONAL Life to be TRUE OR FALSE. I am 100% he has NO CLUE WHO I AM or where I have been from the statements above.

He has called me a liar on most every THREAD FOR POSTING a view different from his but NEVER EVER PROVIDES a reasonable counter argument. Take for instance claims 1 and 2 above. How can he know how long it took me to get to PH when he was not there on the trip with me? How can he know where I have lived, when he does not even know who I am. And to the comment on Flying to Calabar, I do stand by what I said. You can get a flight directly from Atlanta to Calabar. I don't live in Atlanta but I know I can fly from ATlanta and my final destination be Calabar. If Flying WITHOUT STOPS is not criteria for flying, then we might as well cancal more than 80% of flights out there.

Look through this thread yourself to see what I mean. Else show yourself on the same level as this @Face character, all too willing to settle for non points to WIN arguments in brownie point style/

Kobojunkie, the following statement has nothing to do with the argument but I will still make it.

“I actually like you and admire your tenacity when it comes to expressing your views but -- but--”.

That said, my problem with you is that you don’t think things through and you think that the only way to give any credibility to your position is to claim to have been in a knowing situation. If you stick to non-manufactured facts, your arguments will be supreme.

I do not need to be there with you to know how long it took you to get to Calabar (I will presume that you meant Calabar since that was what you claimed in your original post otherwise I would presume that the lies are becoming too much to handle) from Owerri. That journey will not take less than 3 hrs from Owerri under any road journey condition, while you could get to Omagwa (PH) in less than one hour from Owerri. That area is my axis and I can tell you for free, how long it would take to travel from Owerri to all cities from Yenagoa to Nsukka and from Ikom to Onitsha.

If you ever lived in Owerri, you would have known that PH airport was not far from Owerri and would not have been on a lookout for an “information centre” in Owerri to advise you if there was an airport in Owerri when Mama Chi-Chi frying akara by the roadside could have given you that information.

Stop making spurious claims and you would be fine.

Yes you did not fly to ATL to Calabar, whether directly or by 10 connections. The connection bit was an effort to save face when you were nailed, but it fell flat. Your original assertion was that planes had been flying directly to Calabar from ATL in the last five years. If you had connections in mind, you would have known that people have been flying to Calabar from ATL since both airports became functional.

As for "non points" spurious claims render your points useless and non-credible.

One more thing, learn to accept your blunders with grace.

Abagworo link=topic=445416.msg6069119#msg6069119 date=1274402660
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I didn’t just live in Aba, I also lived in a couple others places including Owerri and Onitsha. Only visited family in Enugu from time to time, and I am not certain what you are trying to get at here. Aba is not considered one of the major cities/town in the Eastern states?
What has the condition of yorubas to do with a conversation on the state of Ibo land? I have every right to worry about the Ibos here. Not sure why you seem it is YOUR place to tell anyone what people they can or cannot worry about.

apart from lagos can you please tell us the other towns in the southwest better off than @bolded?

Abagworo, Kobojunkie makes up stories as she goes along just to score points, but lies beget more lies, leading to a web of lies, which eventually snares the web designer (liar)

She has never lived in any of those areas. Go back a few pages and you would see all her contradictions.

1. She lived in Owerri and she did not know that there was an airport in Owerri (because there was no "information centre" in Owerri as if she expected Owerri to be an office with a help desk) and she had to go all the way to Calabar (3-4 hours trip) to catch a flight, when PH airport was less than an hour drive from Owerri ? Curious that someone that lived in those areas would not know the proximity of those areas to eachother.

2. Same person also claimed that there were direct flights to Calabar from ATL and when caught she claimed that she had flown to Calabar from ATL, albeit a detoured flight which is no news.

3. Could go on but it may turn out to be like an epistle.

If she were an object of trade, she would have CAVEAT EMPTOR written all over her on all visible sides.

Kobojunkie:
a) Can you book a flight from Atlanta and arrive at your finally destination, being Calabar or PortHarcourt? --- FACT !! May have numerous stop-overs -- MOST TRIPS do, but you can book your flight from Atlanta to Calabar.

Do all developed cities and towns around the world have International Airports right within their Borders?  FALSE -- Even in the United States, many more cities and towns are situated within 3 or more hours of the nearest international airport. Has that hindered development? FALSE , so the argument that development only happens when an international airport is in your backyard is based on FALLACY.

If current Airports are UNDERUTILIZED, does building additional airports and spending billions more help the situation? FALSE  demand drives these things. Owerri Airport is a good example. The airport is mostly a ghost town with only a couple of flights in and out each month. Would it make sense then to BUILD IT BIGGER?

Then again, get your facts right before going to town with your pronouncements. In terms of air traffic, Owerri is only behind the following airports in this order : MMA, Abuja, PH, Warri, Calabar , Benin, Enugu and Kano.

Most airports in Nigeria are ghost airports, but Owerri is more alive than most of them so  singling out Owerri was in bad taste.

http://www.faannigeria.org/downloads/statistics/2009-Annual-Aircraft-Movement.pdf

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I am not sure I get this argument about airports. There are three International airports in the East; more than any other region.
Ezeagu
Are you arguing for an additional airport in the East OR for the eastern Airports to be refurbished/upgraded? The choice of flights at an airport are the result of two questions
1. Does the Airport have the infrastructure and facilities to accommodate international flights? If the airports in the east lack the infrastructure, then I support your argument.But we know that international flights land at PH, Calabar.
2. Economic viability - If the infrastructure is there, then the determining factor is demand for flights. Only easterners can increase demand. If demand increases for flights to the East, then airlines will fly more routes to the East. But I suspect that airlines may not want to cannibalize existing routes. Airlines may not want to fly multiple cities in a country if the demand is not high enough. For instance, If 1000 fly directly from london to Lagos and Abuja each week. If they decide to fly to Enugu as well, then they have increased costs without necessarily increasing revenue. They can however drop one of the other major routes (Lagos or Abuja) if there are more people bent on flying to Enugu but that is dependent on the Eastern governments providing other amenities such as Safety, good hotels for airline staff, access to parts and labour to fix airplanes, etc.

Very reasonable and valid points you made there. However, it is not upto the eastern governments to provide access to parts and labour to fix planes. A good international airport must have a good mechanical hanger, which is the responsibility of the airport authority.

No international flight goes to Calabar at the moment nor in the last 5- 10 years.  Calabar was only a hub for west and central Africa back in the days. In any case, the airport is limited in its aircraft handling capabilities. Enugu is not yet an international airport and PH airport is like the local wing of MMA.

With regards to hotels, I can tell you now that Enugu and Owerri are among the top 8 in Nigeria when it comes to good hotels.

Ezeagu, why bother with this person that argues blindly ? She is quick to use google to become a quack expert on any subject under the sun but can't use the net to obtain any information that will contradict her useless opinion.

She searched the whole internet and there was no "direct" flight to China . How about  flight Air China CA 984 and Flight CA983 to mention a few ? Yet she lied through her teeth that she was able to book a flight to Calabar from ATL.

You should have got the hint and discarded her just  like Onlytruth, after she decided that everyone east of Niger must be Igbo. What an arrogant and foolhardy Arrow. She'd rather die than accept her mistake, even when the tide is against her.

I admire her strong character though, but she has to get her facts right before embarking on an argument. Armed with fact, she would stand tall even while on the wrong side of an argument.

Credible answer? Maybe I should not have used the word DIRECTLY from Atlanta but you can fly from Atlanta to Calabar, and people have thousands have done it. I happen to have booked such a flight twice Flying out from Atlanta to arrive in Calabar.  But I guess that won't matter to you until Calabar is exactly what you need it to be instead.

Why don't you like conceding simple points ?

No airline goes to Calabar from outside Africa without first landing in Abuja, PH, Kano or Lagos before tranferring you to their domestic flight to Calabar.

No foreign airline would fly you to Calabar by touching down elsewhere outside Nigeria, unless they were airlines from Garbon and Equitorial Guinea and Cameroon and there have been no flights from those countries since God knows when.

I put it to you now that if you had any connecting flight to Calabar from Atlanta, you first landed in Nigeria and your onward flight to Calabar was not the same airline unless it was Arik (do they go to ATL ?) Belview (do they go to ATL ?) or Virgin Nigeria (do they still fly International ?)

Ofcourse you can fly to Calabar from anywhere, same as I fly from London to Owerri by connecting at Lagos (same carrier - Arik) or Via Abuja (two different carriers), but that was not your initial stand point.

Next time you go to FAA website to "quote" investment opportunies, remember to say that you got that quote from there and that they have nearly the same information with few additions and subtractions as regards investment opportunies for all their airports. Beware of Google !

Kobojunkie:
@Onlytruth, Only last year, you whined that because no Ibo has been made president in Nigeria, Ibo land cannot be expected by anyone to develop more than it has and so is reason why life remains unchanged in most areas for decades. Now you have a president, how is Ibo land doing? Let me guess, Jonathan should not be considered an Ibo man? Not until all offices in Nigeria are occupied by Ibos will Ibo land be expected to wake up? Um . . . Jonathan is not good enough because you suspect he might have non-ibo blood in him? Which excuse we go get for this one?

You complain today of not being able to fly out of Ibo land, yet you have actually had a functioning international airport in calabar for at least 5 years now. Thousands of people have flown, and continue to fly directly from Atlanta to Calabar and out for years now. So is it the case that Calabar is not part of Ibo land now? You need the airport to be right in your own backyard to stop you from whining. People who speak Ibo are not allowed to fly out of Calabar? Which is it this time?

Lagos has had an international airport for decades yet it is one of the biggest slums in the world. Are the only developed towns/cities in the world cities that have an international airport of some sort?

When does the whine-fest end and you start urging Ibos to take initiative? When do you start actually CARING about the lives of people, poor and impoverished in Iboland to start looking in to understand why it is wrong for the governments there to continue stealing from the people?

Big fat lie, but I am not shocked at the deceitful attempt to score a cheap point. Planes do not fly beyond west and central Africa from Calabar airport and you can't even get a flight to Douala from calabar these days.

chosen04:
Who would the generals and their cohorts USE if the almajiris were cut-off? Nobody. In other words Orkar was right in wanting to solve the problem from the ROOT rather than cutting branches that will still grow back.

The guy has silent points

Do you think that the other northern states lack their own portion of almajiri ? You can argue that the "educated" elite use alamajiri to perpertuate mayhem when it suits them, but they don't include almajiri in their money stealing/ dragging-back-the-nation exercise.

The almajiris are only tools to be used and dumped at will and their blood thirst make them  perfect tools for mayhem.

The almajiri are in no position to provide basic infrastructure and education to their locality and as such, have also been dragged back and are also victims of greed and corruption like you and I.

Orkah was cutting nothing from the roots. If his beloved Sultan was restored to his throne, he was happy as larry. By the way, Babangida is a middle belter from Niger and was firmly in charge and therefore the responsible person with regards to Orkah's charges, why did he not excise Niger state as well?

edoyad:
This was the coup that showed IBB and his Almajiri friends how much they were hated  by all and sundry. If that coup had been successful the carved out Nigeria would have been the most developed country in Africa without a doubt. The illiteracy and backwardness of the people Orkar cut off is one of the main things still dragging this country backwards 20 years after. Well they say if at first you don't succeed . . . .

While the almajiris in those areas have continued to fuel hatred and instability due to their blood thirst, the main people dragging us back are reasonably educated (at least to secondary education).

They are the generals, some PHDs who have stolen with the pen at every twist and turn. If they had provided sound education and good environment for businesses to flourish, almajiris would be too tired after work to embark on any blood spilling adventure (maybe not entirely but very much so).

Yes, the nation has been dragged back, but the almajiris are also victims and have also been dragged back like you and I.

edoyad:
This was the coup that showed IBB and his Almajiri friends how much they were hated  by all and sundry. If that coup had been successful the carved out Nigeria would have been the most developed country in Africa without a doubt. The illiteracy and backwardness of the people Orkar cut off is one of the main things still dragging this country backwards 20 years after.
Well they say if at first you don't succeed . . . .

Edoyad, if those guys were more enlightened than the Almajiris, it did not show in their coup manifesto/agenda.

Did you read the conditions for letting those states back into the federation ? What they said, in effect was that without their choice of Sultan (rightly or wrongly) that the affected states were not part of Nigeria. In other words, the faith of the entity hinged on the enthronement of an individual to an inconsequential throne/caliphate. Clutching at straws in my opinion.

I have only addressed the part of the coup you highlighted. I could take the whole speech apart but it would be a waste of my time. Of-course, they had a few good points but they lacked substance.

Failure was well earned.

Ibime:
lol. . . at least they weren't[b] "homosexually-centred"[/b]

Ol' boy see reasons. I'm suspecting that Becomerich came up with the coup agenda while Kosovo wrote the speech.

O.K Kosovo and Become, sorry for the jab, but can't resist.

Incoherent and childish. They deserved to fail ! Nigeria had a narrow escape because those rascals had nothing to offer. The speech was replete with rubbish and had little or no substance.

Now, I'd like a good ol' revolution by intelligent fellas but I'm not keen on a revolution that was put together by dimwits.