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Mikecold:
what question Abdul?

If you don't believe in religious fairytale, should you be bringing religious sources for debate

You're the one using the same fairytale is proof of Jewish claim to the land now you want to deflect when that claim has been negated and your foolishness on the topic has been exposed.

I know you must be feeling very embarrassed by exposing how little you know on this subject but you have not satisfied me so I will repeat the question again;

Would you support the British and Yoruba people in displacing the Igbos by sending foreigners with flimsy ancestral claims to take over your properties and occupy your homes?

What is so hard in answering the question?

Mikecold:
You are a confused fellow you started by saying Christian's are supporting Israel because of some Bible which is not factual

Ah, you are lying so boldly on a Sunday?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo77sTGpngQ

I told you let's forget religion and look at history

You go again to the Bible you called not factual to be rambling incoherent trash

And I asked you a simple question which you have not answered yet.

Would you support the British and Yoruba people in displacing the Igbos by sending foreigners with flimsy ancestral claims to take over your properties and occupy your homes?

Abdul, look at my moniker again o

You are talking to a person of the book

Continue to call me Muslim, I like it as you're trying to derail.

You still haven't answered my question, until you do you are an unserious individual and a bloody hypocrite.

DasaintHope:
Death to all Islamic terrorists, Northern Nigeria, Fulani, and Yoruba head slamming Moslems.

I am keeping this quote as reference, if they should say the same about you, you will scream "marginalisation".

When Nigeria does the same thing as Israel I'm sure you will have the same energy.

Mikecold:
You are quoting Bible you don't want to believe and you are twisting history

Can you settle which one you want to go with let's talk

I don't do rambling different sources

This is how I catch people on this forum, I carefully segment my point, drop links, and suddenly people who don't have a point say I'm "rambling" and try to change the subject.

I am showing you, from the same book you believe, from the same book which you claim gives Jews the "right" to Israel that they were not even the original inhabitants of the land BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION making their claims of blood and soil meaningless.

Now the Bible aside let's get to the main meat of this issue. I asked a simple question which you are trying to dodge so let me ask it again.

If the British and Nigerian authorities decided to bring Yoruba foreigners from America and the Caribbean, who are descended from slaves to the South West and send all the Igbos away or restrict them to one small part of the country, would you support this action?

Onepeople:
what is the difference between Jews and Christians in terms of ideology? All these useless divid and rule you guy's encourage in Nigeria cannot be tolerated outside this country ok.

Jews believe Jesus is a fraud and Christians are heathens who will be punished when the real Messiah arrives. Continue blindly supporting them though.

Mikecold:
These days every Muslim denies he is muslim, we know it's a pathetic situation to be in

What kind of silly implication are you making here? I have not at any time been Muslim, a simple check through my profile would show you my opinions on Islam but you are too deep in dogmatic thinking.

Ok, let me address you as the atheist you profess to be, this time no religious sentiment.

Are you aware that history has agreed that Israel lived in that land before the Palestinians?

No they did not, anyone with even basic knowledge of the Bible knows that the Israelites were nomadic people and are not native to the land. What we now call "Israel" was the "Land of Milk and Honey" that was supposedly promised to Abraham and his descendants.
https://www.biblica.com/bible/?osis=niv:Numbers%2034:1%E2%80%9312

When Moses allegedly led the people of Israel out of Egypt they kept roaming because many of the other cities and tribes in the land didn't want them hanging around.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2013&version=NIV

The area called Palestine was inhabited by the Philistines, which I'm sure you know were a settled people in ancient Canaan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines#:~:text=The%20Philistines%20were%20an%20ancient,King%20Nebuchadnezzar%20II%20of%20Babylonia.

Are you aware that archeological evidences have proven this, not just findings in Israel but artifacts around the world e.g The colosseum in Rome (one of the 7 wonders of the world) was built on the back of Jewish slaves taken to Rome, the gold in the ancient Jewish temple was used to build it?

These are not hear say, these are facts, there is a monument that was built in Rome (Arch of Emperor Titus) detailing how the romans carried out the invasion and stole Jews wealth.

The Romans invaded hundreds of people and conquered many different tribes, how does the conquering of tribes give legitimacy to Israel?



Are you saying any random group can just invade and practice ethnic cleansing because their distant ancestors lived there? Using this logic Egypt has legal claim over Israel since they used to rule the land before the Israelites became a settled people.

Will you let an African American move into your house and take your farm and shoot your mother because your ancestors sold his into slavery?

Why are the British today returning bronze they took from the Binins during their early invasion?

Because they want to be politically correct and gain good will from shallow minded fools who think this gesture will erase centuries of colonialism.

Simply put it doesn't belong to them, so can land not then be returned?

Yes it can, if you stay in a government property illegally for centuries that doesn't validate it as yours, it doesn't change the fact the government would claim it back one day.

You can only beg for mercy, if the government is insisting on it you cannot do anything.

On this note we all accept Jews were there before Palestinians, and people invaded them, and were spread across the world (displaced).

The ottomans (an Islamic state) comes up in 1500 and meet a fallow land then surplant their people

They were the last to come there, they knew Jews own the land, they didn't make provision to even share.

Ottoman gets defeated, UK comes in and says all the Jews are displaced and need a single home to integrate.

UK takes the Jews to their original home after they have become target of envy from the insecured nations in europe

UK tells Palestinians to share the home with Jews

They refuse until they were conquered, UK didn't take Palestinians out after defeating them, they simply asked them to live together

Where was Palestinians in the 70AD when Jews had already been existing as a people taken as slaves from their land?

Attached is the Arch of Titus built in 70AD to celebrate the win over the "Jewish people in Judea"

Please can you come up with know history any were of this "Palestinians" who claim ownership of this land


Who is unjust to who here?

If Sanwo Olu should decide now, with the backing of the British, that he doesn't want Igbos in the South West and brings in Yorubas from Brazil, Jamaica and America to take over your homes and occupy your land will you like it?

If the Jamaican "Yoruba" man says his ancestors lived on this land and therefore, you as an Igbo man have no claim to the property, you must go back to Igbo land.

If you decide to stay and they force you into a small settlement at Ogun waterside where all your food, water, medicine and elections are at the mercy of foreigners you will support them fully?

It's very simple, buy land and graze your cattle in your local governments where there will be no clashes. This parasitic union can't stand anymore.

Mikecold:
Where was allah when Mohamed died of rat poison

Because it is common knowledge that God himself told Israelites he would allow their enemies to conquer them should they serve Baal

Now that they aren't conquered and in their land what do you deduce from that with your 2kb thinking faculty

I am not a Muslim, I don't believe in any religious fairy tales. Where was god when Jews were being driven from country to country and starved by the millions? Were they worshipping Baal for those two thousand years when there was no Israel?

See what many of you don't understand about this is that Israel only exists because of some silly prophecy Christians uphold so they support this colonial state called Israel with money and weapons. Allah told Usman Dan Fodio that Nigeria belongs to his people, will you support that?

This is not a divine calling, this is the West using people's ignorance and religious beliefs as a launchpad for neocolonialism and proxy wars in the Middle East.


You people are simply being used but can't see it because you used Bible pages written to pass an agenda to cover your eyes.

shedy03:
And then you retaliate in your backyard for what is happening in a foreign land 1000s of miles away?

Where did anyone say they are attacking Nigerians for the sake of Palestine?

On the contrary many people are being sucked in by some foolish myth that Igbos are Jews

shedy03:
Exactly what they are planning to achieve with the ongoing Islamisation agenda.

Ironic that you can't see Israel is doing the same thing.

Chi133:
Even if all the Islamic country join hands they can’t defeat Israel God will rather come down and handle the guns than allow any country defeat Israel. Ask Goliath. This war is like fighting God

Where was God when the Babylonians and Romans destroyed Israel?

Bayajidda1:
I totally agree with Turkey. Nigeria should also, as a matter of utmost urgency, support the Biafrans in their bid to actualize their Independence from Nigeria as well.

What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

You people will never learn that Israel doesn't give a damn about you and only cares about Israel.

Northernblood3:
I hope Nigeria government will answer the call. This is End time for Terrorists. At least Our soldiers can now fight real war with outsiders not innocent people


While Terrorists are gathering all their allies to battle Israel, Many foolish Christians are busy condemning Israel in the name of Let peace reign but will never learn from what these terrorists are capable of when they subdue the world, even After seeing what happened in Turkey ( a once Christian country) and also Norther Nigeria, the Fools still refused to be reasonable .

Ndi Iberibe

Don't be foolish, Israel is doing to Palestine what the Fulani are doing to Northern Nigeria, you only support them because of Christian bias and tales by moonlight about the "Holy Land".

Farid24224:
What are you even trying to say? Sorry but I don't get...

When your brain has been held down by religion why won't comprehension be difficult?

Farid24224:
I don't care about their donations sh*t, have you received anything from 'em

https://www.usaid.gov/nigeria/program-updates

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/africa/nigeria#:~:text=U.S.%20foreign%20direct%20investment%20(FDI,a%2021.5%25%20increase%20from%202018.

https://www.icirnigeria.org/war-on-terror-nigerian-pilots-train-on-super-tucano-fighter-jets-at-us-air-force-base-ahead-of-delivery/

Places which allow their religion to shackle their minds and stagnate their progress should not beg countries that respect individual religious choice for help. They should ask their gods for help, maybe the gods are deaf because their villages under the thumb of terrorism.

Quality20:
but I tot its only sodomy US supports, never knew they also support blasphemy

Nigeria that supports pedophilia, banditry, poverty and almajirism.

PissfulProtester:
Who cares about how the US feels..

I agree it's wrong to jail people for blasphemy..but to hell with the United States..

If no be Nigerian Government (both past and present) wey don yeye themselves by seeking financial and different kinda aids all the time from these useless countries that love to play god on other countries, this Kain see finish no go come

Werey dey disguise

Farid24224:
They should focus on their problems and leave other's

Hypocrite!!

When they want to send donations or give awards to Nigerians you won't tell them to focus on their problems.

It's not just about "being unhappy", something needs to be done immediately.

manontree:
The so called investigative journalist is throwing stupid and unfounded accusations up and down

First, a cell tower would pick the base station that transmitted a call. It does not pinpoint an exact location. Cell phone records cannot pinpoint where one was, after the fact. It gives an area where the nearest cell tower picked your call

A live investigation can actually locate you by picking your GPS coordinates but since this wasn't a live location mapping but a cell phone investigation, you can never know the exact location someone was, but the cell tower that received his calls which would give u a broad location mapping. Just like if a cell tower at Adeola Odekun received a call, you would know the person was in Adeola Odekun. If a crime was committed there you can use this information to know if a suspect was in that area during the time of the crime. You won't know the exact location the suspect was, except he is three live when you are checking his phone, in which case his GPS mapping would give you his coordinates

So this Hundeyin guy is totally wrong to give an exact location. With current technology this is impossible for an after the fact investigation. So the hotel he mentioned and the medical NGO, its easy to see these are concocted speculations and not backed by any fact

He is doing this to grow in stature. Journalists know that not all they put out is necessarily true. No news is bad news for them and you would see such reportage littered with 'my sources' said, A top law enforcement officer told me, etc

If these were true the Kufre Effiong person would have been arrested to explain himself and those facilities raided for clues

Shows you didn't even bother to read the report. One of Akpan's contacts had his location exposed and that's how they found him.

Also the report showed Akpan made contact with a policeman before his arrest when the news of Hiny's disappearance became public

Despite knowing all this you expect the police in Akwa Ibom, who are most likely accomplices, to behave like the police in saner climes and actually investigate when they couldn't do the bare minimum of keeping the initial crime scene free from tampering while the investigation is ongoing?

techtechh:
Lol...toothless people.
Why don’t you go face your persecutors
Oh no I am just a toothless bulldog
Atheist have finally met their match

I know the peaceful, forgiving and loving Christians will be happy with this news, you're just upset you aren't the ones killing atheists yourselves.

I'm sure the toothful Christians can fight the Islamic terrorist menace themselves and won't ask secular countries for aid.

TruthHurts1:
Excesses like having former Christians sentenced to death?

What are these mysterious excesses which ex Christian atheists in Nigeria have suffered which is similar to receiving the death penalty for rejecting Christianity?

You mean like how Leo Igwe was beaten and almost killed by an angry mob?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/aug/08/nigeria-witch-children-polio

Or how his father was attacked and lost his eye? https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2010/08/father-of-nigerian-humanist-activist-leo-igwe-loses-an-eye-in-a-vicious-attack/

Or how he was arrested and detained?
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2011/my-arrest-in-uyo/


I personally have been beaten up for expressing my own views. Many don't say anything because they don't want to lose their jobs or be rendered homeless.


Nigeria still has blasphemy laws in place that contradict the constitution.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Nigeria#:~:text=Both%20systems%20can%20punish%20blasphemy,entitled%20%22Insult%20to%20religion%22

In some schools you can be expelled for expressing "atheistic ideas".

Even in the past examples you cited from the West, the term "heretic" is not synonymous with "atheist"

"Heretic" means "wrong teaching", meaning any teaching not approved by the church authorities.

Many people were killed for even slightly modifying Christianity and you expect atheists to be spared for rejection of the entire idea?

Just so you don't continue spouting that silly rhetoric, yes people were killed for being atheists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimierz_%C5%81yszczy%C5%84ski

Simplyleo:
Well, this is US, not the zoo.

And based on our orientation, we agree everything about US is perfect.

We the entire people of some 5 backward undeveloped erosion ravaged villages do agree that the fuel scarcity is the fault of Buhari.

This was caused by a cyberattack which stopped operation of a major petroleum pipeline. Fuel scarcity in Nigeria is caused by incompetent leadership where millions are moved and spent under the nose of an out of touch petroleum minister.

TruthHurts1:
The way NL's atheist community has ignored this case is baffling.
I understand that Nigeria isn't exactly the most open or tolerant society for non religious people, but atheists always seem to pick on soft targets like Christianity, while neglecting Islam which is an actual existential threat to their lives.

Practically ALL the atheists I know, have testified that they feel safer around Christians than they do around muslims.

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That's because most atheists on this forum are former Christians who have witnessed the excesses from believers first hand.

Because most Western countries have a separation of church and state Christians can't kill atheists anymore.

If we allow theocratic individuals to gain power, I'm very sure many of the peaceful Christians will go back to the days of burning heretics.

techtechh:
Nigeria atheist can not even fight for their person. Their power begins and ends with insulting Christians.


Shame

Maybe if religious people didn't kill, assault and imprison those who didn't believe we could all come together and stop this issue but as usual your love for your neighbour stops as soon as church service has ended.

The followers of the religion of peace won't see this one, but if someone draws their Prophet now we will see 10 pages.

Someone is being forced to follow Islam yet you say there is no compulsion in religion?

Where is the outrage?

The national grid is a mirror of the government in power and it's grip on all sectors of the country.

PissfulProtester:
shameful!

Everything now na north Vs south east. Don't you get tired? Shame!

You guys complain about virtually everything...but the things that favour you to the detriment of others, You shout Igbo kwenu..Haba! Is this not hypocrisy?

Looking at the Nigerian football team, we have 95% Igbo and 5% goes to the others...yet, people won't complain even though these players have made them lose interest in watching Nigerian matches due to incessant flogging by all and sundry..it has been this way for years! ...And maybe we only have good players in the East..other regions are dominated by cripples

Hypocrisy kills!

Said by the same fool who plays the North vs South game when the South is the main focus.

PissfulProtester:
Na dem dem

Very violent set of people..

He is probably one of those ipob miscreants setting South East ablaze

Run for your life anywhere you see this

They still haven't found this one yet you have the mind to talk rubbish so confidently.


https://punchng.com/my-husbands-blood-will-continue-to-haunt-soldiers-who-shot-him-dead-in-his-car-pregnant-widow-of-imo-businessman/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&amp&utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Hypocrisy really kills.

They should start by putting them in jails or executing them as quickly as they find and persecute soldiers to expose the military's corruption.

Then they should stop encouraging this stupid behaviour of assaulting civilians for any reason.

You don't want to lose the oil reserves and that's the damn truth. As long as their elites can be getting stipends for doing nothing they will preach unity.

jetwonder:
Enemies Of Nigeria Will Never Succeed, Nigeria Will Never Break-up.
Nigeria Great People, Great Nation!

The only thing holding Nigeria together is the oil reserves in the Delta, when that finishes Nigeria will finish.

Better wake up before it's too late.

This man speaks like a typical poverty loving, self centred and myopic northern politician.

Millions of Nigerians are in poverty and yet he says the entire 200 million Nigerians want it to remain as it is because they are "benefiting".

Thousands have been driven from their homes by terrorists, bandits and other unscrupulous elements. Some local governments don't have access to public works like water, electricity and even security yet he says all local governments are "functioning".

Ethnic crises in the west has driven northerners back to their states of origin, he says no market closed.

Many people are talking about leaving out of fears of conflict spreading and he's talking about bridges working.


What is wrong with the crop of politicians we ended up with?