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Kobojunkie:
Garbage In/Garbage out applies only to those who do not have the Spirit of God as their Teacher. They are the ones who are likely to seek out edification from the things of the world, doctrines and traditions of men, and the lot. Those who are followers of Jesus Christ get their edification from the Spirit of God, God Himself, who is their one and only Teacher/Guide/Comforter/Counselor/Helper.

I don't see the relevance of the above verse to this topic. Again, God makes the rules,we are not to add or remove... we are simply to obey the rules AS He, the Almighty has given them us.

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Hmmmmmmmmmmm. The bible teaches many principles and one principle can be applied in so many ways depending on place, time, culture etc. So u can't just conclude that because the bible says nothing about smoking or pornography, they are not sinful. Yes, the bible says nothing about porn but it warned against lust. Nothing about smoking, but it talked about self control and our bodies being God's temple. What is difficult to understand here?

BluntTheApostle:
You didn't read my post, otherwise you wouldn't have taken the trouble to type all this.

Ephesians were Gentiles that was why Paul wrote that Salvation originally meant for the Jews had also been extended to them, as long as they believed in the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. (Ephesians 1:13)

Salvation had been predestined only for the Israelites.

Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)

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I read your post well. May be u made a mistake by referring to the "us" as Jews only. But it represent all Christians. God promised to bless Abraham's seed, and that seed (which is Christ), will bless the whole world - both Jews and gentiles. And that is what happened, Christ came to the Jews and blessed them. Then he sent some of his disciples to the gentiles and they were blessed. It was still Christ that was doing the blessing, not his disciples.
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ROM 1:16:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
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Acts 13:46
Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "It was necessary to speak the word of God to you first. But since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.
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Matthew 24:4-14
For this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all nations, and after that, the end shall come”
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It was God's original plan to use the gospel to save Jews and gentiles. Gentiles did not come in as an after thought.
I suggest u read more about predestination.

erico2k2:
Well, I was going by ur analogy that no money makes a man not to be ready for marriage so in this regard, if there ever comes a time when the man loses his job or business then he is not marriage worthy since you are basing the readiness of a man to get married on financial well being.

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The simple summary is: If u can't take good care of a family, don't marry. Pray and work hard to build ur financial base. To train up godly children, money is needed.
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If you plan your finances well, loosing your job or biz won't affect you too much. It is not easy to be a real man.

franklytrue:
True. It's either he is a deceiver or he is deceived. The devil is a theologian too, having had more than 6000 years of practice, twisting the scriptures to accommodate excesses; things which will eventually take one out of the narrow way or way one down from continuing therein, in spirit and in truth; sweet junk food (for Kobojunkie)

1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

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Nice observation. I thought I was the only one seeing him.

Kobojunkie:
Child-like humility? Where do you get that from. Children are not humble by nature either. What Jesus Christ commanded is that we BECOME like children. Children are not born humble... by age 2, you learn this. They are not born obedient or trusting -- they are things we are used to training children to become. So obviously, these aren't what Jesus Christ was referring to.

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From ur own quote:
Matthew 14 vs 23-24
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23. Then he said, “The truth is, you must change your thinking and become like little children. If you don’t do this, you will never enter God’s kingdom.
24. The greatest person in God’s kingdom is the one who makes himself HUMBLE like this child.
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Bexause ur poor understanding of the bible, I am pushed to ask you: How old are u? Which kind christian will support harlot-like dresses, immoral music and videos? I won't continue this discussion. A word is enof for the wise.
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Wrong! Even the athiests are not truly open-minded. Sin is what makes us close-minded. Sin is what blinds people to the truth of God.
To become a follower of Jesus Christ, you have to chose to take blindfolds off so you can see what God has for you, and learn anew from Him. You have to unlearn everything you have been previously taught or had to learn from parents, people, society etc. about God and the things of God, so God Himself can write His word anew and His truth instead on the tablets of your heart.
Only then are you able to truly receive from Him and live to His glory. Only then are you freely able to live a life above Sin.

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What a pity!

Kobojunkie:
That is not what God said though.

If you are worried about what makes you sin, you should look inside your heart to find that, and not outside at things like music and movies.

Jesus Christ said it is not what goes into us that causes us to sin but what comes out of our hearts... The evil thoughts, lying, lust, etc. They come from the inside of you, not as a result of what you have ingested. Yes, that is what Jesus Christ taught. Compare that to what you have instead been told that it is the women who dress provocative, or the money you see, or they food in front of you that causes you to sin.. All lies.

Jesus Christ has called His followers to become like Children since only those who become like children will enter the kingdom of God. He did not say those who are righteous only or those who are holy or those who are without sin. Jesus Christ was clear when He declared that only those who become like Children will enter the kingdom of Heaven.

What does it mean? It means only those who are wiling to abandon their previous ideas of what is good and what is bad... Only those wiling to become open-minded can enter His kingdom and entry is from the moment you become His follower, not when you die first.

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No, only those that can accept the kingdom of God with a child like humility can enter the kingdom of God. Talk with atheists about the kingdom of God and you will see what Jesus meant. If you open your mind, Satan will fill it for you.

Zoe99:
It is about what you watch,listen to and read because the eyes and the ears are the gateway to the mind.That's why when you watch a horror movie,you can sleep at night or when one watches pornography,the images keep playing in their mind.
When Jesus talked about people becoming like children,he was talking about the trusting and obedient nature of children(which is the kind of heart we need to have in our relationship with Jesus) not openmindedness.The Bible says that without holiness,no eye shall see the Lord.
I for one believe that we don't have to be legalistic because there are a couple of grey areas in Christianity but there are some things that are not good for you,like Paul talked about all things being lawful but not all things being beneficial.We are also encouraged to sing spiritual songs and hymns.

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U see that guy? He is out to mislead people with the bible.

Maximus69:
Music and Movie producers are business men and women, they do what will attract fans (customers) and failure to do this means they're not professionals.
So each person concentrate on the aspect were they will gain more subscribers, it's left to each customer to select what pleases you in their stuff. But to think there is anything worldly or not is preposterous, they're all looking for money so they can't be truly religious inwardly as most of you are thinking!
Just go out there and select wisely that's all!

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The luv of money is the root of all evil. The reason why true Christians condemn "Bad" musics is because they don't glorify God. They rather glorify Satan's ideologies.

erico2k2:
From what you just wrote up there So basically once a man has no strong financial stability he is no longer eligible to get married, So in theory, if the man loses his job or business for whatever reason he marriage should no longer be valid. Just as body language constitutes %70 of communication so is will power and understanding does in marriage than finance.

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The bible says that any man that cannot provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever and have denied the faith. So yes, if u don't have money, don't marry. If you need money, live your life to please God and ask him for money. That is the best way to get money.
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Loosing biz cannot make a marriage invalid. It is adultery or death that can do that. I won't advise anyone to depend on his job in marriage.
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Bro, will power and understanding cannot stand hunger. That money u would have used to grow your biz will end up in family running costs.
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I suggest u read this: https://letgodbetrue.com/proverbs/index/chapter-24/proverbs-24-27/

Kobojunkie:
But nowhere does Jesus Christ tell us that a church, any church can do that to anyone. Only the very Spirit of God living inside of each one of Jesus Christ's followers can do what you describe above... No group or persons can preach that to anyone's heart.
The choice to conform to Jesus Christ is a personal choice and it cannot be made by the teaching of any man. Only God Himself can provide one with teaching that is able to cause a person to conform to the stature of Jesus Christ.

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What he is simply saying is that if ur church don't preach the truth that touches ur heart and influence u to live a godly life, run away from the church. We all know that conviction is the work of the Holy Spirit, but human voice is still needed to pass the message across. Faith comes by hearing the word of God - from the mouth of humans.

BluntTheApostle:
Who were the us that Paul was referring to in Ephesians 1:4?

It was the Israelites.

Jacob (who became Israel) had been marked even before He was formed. God's pact with Jacob (Israel) was a continuation of the covenant with Abraham. When the children of Israel became headstrong, God sent Jesus Christ after them.

Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)

Only the Jews were originally chosen to be saved. Gentiles (you and I) were never predestined to be saved. But then, Jesus Christ chose Paul to be the Apostle to the Gentiles (you and I) so that we can enjoy in this offering of Salvation.

And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. (Ephesians 1:13)

Now, is Salvation a gift? Yes, it is.

When Adam sinned, man became doomed. Hell became our default destination. But because of the love of God (and not our good works), He gave us redemption by sending His only Son to die.

That is what we refer to as grace. And that is a gift because we didn't get it because we were good. We got it on a platter of gold.

There is a difference between gift and reward.

Now, we have been gifted with Eternal Life through the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ (the Gospel of Salvation).

But making Heaven will be a reward for believing in Christ.

...that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

So, we have the gift of God's endless love, but no one is guaranteed Heaven simply ordinarily by the Gospel of Salvation. Making Heaven is not that easy. It is filled with tribulations and challenges.

Narrow is the gate that leads to life...

In summary, making heaven is not a gift. However, the Gospel of Salvation is a gift. All we need to avail ourselves of the Eternal Life that comes with this Gospel is to sincerely believe in this Gospel.

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.[Eph 1:4 Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.
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The "us" here refers to all Christians. By the way, Ephesians were not Israelites but gentiles.
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From the ff passages, I'll see that both Jews and gentiles were predestined.
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Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
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Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Galatians 3:14
Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith.
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So from the creation of the world, both Jews and gentiles have been predestined.
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Also see:
Acts 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
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John 6:44
44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
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Revelation 13:8
8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
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Ephesians 1:11
11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
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Romans 8:33
33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.
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Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
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Ephesians 1:4-5
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—
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Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

perpeling22:
Hmmm! I have also heard about that and I don't know how true it is and I don't even which to know. I always tell people, try and do well cos there is another life after this whether heaven or hell. We should just try and do good so that if we die, our soul will find rest. One thing you should know, You Are Born for A Purpose. Don't regret about you'd existence!

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The bible is totally against such practice. It is part of witch craft.

ZINIBANKS:
Please where is your location
I have two can origin to give you
U made a whole lot of sense

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I'm happy to hear that. But I don't take alcohol. Excess is what is bad. I know that. But I don't take it.

erico2k2:
there lays the problem of the wack mentality in Africa, in Nigeria, the vast majority of people want to be a business man, why cant we just belong to the school of thought that not everyone can be a business person? some have to be workers? even the employed want to do business hence there is a conflict of interest everywhere..Look come to the west people actually stop work or business just to start a family but here you are advocating from the other end. To get married all you need is to come off age and be matured and know that life is a journey and marriage is a legal partnership. Whoever edges 4ward first makes no difference as far as you both are heading the same direction.

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When I say bizness, I also mean having a good job that will last. But because of the volatile nature of jobs, u shud also have a reliable investment(S) u can fall back on just in case.
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Stop work/biz to start a family? Are u sure?
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Sorry, I don't see marriage just as a legal partnership. I see it as an institution constituted by God and divorce is a no-no, except when there is adultery. If u are not ready financially and marry, how can u cater for ur family? It is the children I'll pity.

BluntTheApostle:
So, who are those who don't have this gift?

It appears like you believe that Christ only died for some specific people.

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Christ died for all. But rev made us know that many will finally end up in hell. Those are the people that don't have the gift - because they rejected Christ's offer and from the beginning, God already know them.
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Eph 1:4 Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.

Lawsimon:
A Pharisee like you who is a hypocrite.
Yes, Christ came for you in order to let you know that righteousness and unrighteousness have nothing in common. Light and darkness have nothing in common.

If you are really born again by the incorruptible seed of Christ, you cannot say such a thing. No wonder Christ Jesus said, by their fruit, you shall know them.

Are you telling me that if Christ were to be on earth today, He would be listening to David, WizKid, 2PAC, etc songs

I weep for this generation...

You are one of those who are born again by head knowledge. The Word of God is yet to penetrate your heart in order to affect your soul

Cry for help before it's too late...

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I'm happy some one is seeing what I'm seeing. I have argued with that guy b4 and I know how unreasonable he can be. Check out the argument here, where he was supporting immodest dressings and other mess. It was a long argument.
https://www.nairaland.com/5862945/6-useful-tips-raising-godly/2#90163312.

Missionaire:
I'm talking about being romantic to YOUR WIFE.
Personally, I listen to the audio and not the video to avoid images that may lead me astray.
And yes, I am sure that NO Christian artist in this country has awoken the citizens to societal challenges like secular artist.
If you have to refute it, then prove me wrong.

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Ok. But most of their songs are not wort listening to. Eg, songs that promote drug abuse, mastubatn and the rest? It will affect ur children. U can't hide it from them. If they find out u like such songs, they will follow suit and all those things u can't teach them, these immoral musicians will teach them. This is one popular mistake I see parents make.

bptc10:
My friend stop deceiving yourself, going to church can never take you to heaven

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Going to church will HELP you make heaven. Staying at home is more likely to make u spiritually weak. That's one way Satan will use to get u.

erico2k2:
Most of us African were preached to as what we want to hear, pls in your own time do your research on the dead sea scroll and see how it dissects the bible and how the missing parts of the bible came into play!

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There are also arguments that disect the dead sea scroll. U know what, the word of God is not just about words. It has power. Power to change lives and frustrate the plans of your enemies. So the enemy is constantly attacking Him with ideologies like the dead sea scroll. If Satan likes, let him direct the bible any way he wants. I still believe in the bible. I believe the bible like a fool. The kingdom of God is for those who accept it like a child.

erico2k2:
and what's the yardstick for this?

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The yardstick is: B4 u marry, make sure u have an establish bizness that can cater for ur family's needs. Don't hope to achieve it after marriage. That is why it is not good to have a fiancee when you are not financially ready to marry. It may take u years to make it and your fiancee's age will not wait. Pressure will build up and you
may end up marrying her when not financially ready. I feel pity when I see young boys doing girl friend stuff. People who can't even feed themselves oo. And that is how they end up becoming chronic womanizers and future adulterers. As a youth, use your strength to serve God and huzzle. Wife will come later.

BluntTheApostle:
Making heaven is not a gift.

It is a choice.

The gift is the Way which is Jesus Christ. Making heaven or missing it is a choice.

However, there are children of perdition. Some are destined to be lost (for example, Judas Iscariot), and others would choose to be lost (those who constantly reject Jesus Christ).

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What do u make out from:
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“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)
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Of course, those who have this gift will automatically make the right choice to follow Christ and live like Him.

Sad.

BluntTheApostle:
You can make heaven by staying on your own.

Please, stop taking Scriptures out of context.

When Paul gave the advice not to forsake the gathering of the brethren, the Church was still young and needed constant edification.

If you convert someone to Christianity, you will need to stay with them constantly to help them grow in the faith, otherwise, they may backslide and return to their old ways.

Paul did not say that you can't get to heaven by being alone.

Moreover, going to church every Sunday is not the same as the gathering of the brethren that Paul mentioned.

Paul was not referring to a weekly gathering where you will all dress up and go and listen to a man in suit who calls himself pastor.

He was referring to a conversational gathering where you will all come with your individual gifts and contribute these gifts to the service of edification of souls.

How many of you even recognize your gifts, let alone use them in your so-called gatherings of brethrens?

How many Christians even know at least a family in the church they attend? How many of you know the person that sat beside you in church? How many of your church members have you called up with love? How many of the fellow congregants do you have their phone number?

Today's church is far from the gathering that Paul was talking about.

Today's church does not make you grow spiritually. It only makes you grow in the church's tradition and doctrines. It inhibits your spiritual gifts. Only the pastor teaches, only the pastor prophesies, only the pastor is believed to be a man of God.

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I'm not taking any scripture out of context. It is a simple idea to grab but u just want to make it complicated.
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Making heaven is actually a gift of God. It is not by works, least anyone shud boast. If u have this gift, u won't be selfish. U must relate with fellow Christians and have a strong desire to spread the gospel.
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Many churches today have fellowships where u can go and display ur gift. Don't just focus on Sunday service alone. Yea, I know that many churches today are deviating, but that won't be a reason why u shud discourage church going. We shud all change and start to do things that will help set our churches on the right path.

Kobojunkie:
What I can tell you is

1. All knowledge of what is good and and what is evil belongs to God.

2. God is the source of all things, good and evil

3. God controls all things, good and evil- nothing can happen without first His consent.

4. God's Spirit is the only Spirit of inspiration

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I asked specific questions but u didn't answer them.

Missionaire:
No Christian artist has ever awaken the people to societal challenges than secular artists.

Our gospel artists would rather sing motivational songs and songs about heaven than sing about the corruption and other challenges in our country like Eedris, 2Baba, Burna Boy etc.
Some Christians would say that romantic songs are bad and I believe this is why romance dies in most Christian homes after the first 15 years of marriage. Even the church rarely preach from Songs of Solomon.
We forget that man is a tripartite being that consists of the Spirit, Soul and body.
So when you as a Christian are in the mood with your wife to be romantic instead of being just sexual like land grabbers, you would rather play Nathaniel Bassey instead of West Life or Ed Sheeran?
Na only to make babies many Christian couples know.
The Christians who printed the Bible and left Songs of Solomon were not foolish. Christians must learn to balance spirituality, romance and social activism.

Spiritual songs are for the spirit. Romantic songs are for the soul and good social and conscience reawakening songs are good for the body because na the body dy suffer the hardships for this country.

New generation Christians are becoming the next extremists.
Tueeh!

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Are u very sure that no christian musician have ever awaken people to societal challenges than the seculars? Just asking.
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The problem of people of today is that, those things they shud be practicing with their wives/husbands in secret, they want to practice it for the whole world to see. Unmarried people want to practice it too. Today u see married women dressed like harlots. U see them kissing in public in the name of romance. Cohabitating, fornication, party, strip clubs etc. And they will use the Songs of Solomon as an excuse.
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LUST is a sin. SEDUCTION is a sin. A man lusting after a woman have already commuted adultery. Songs of Solomon will not save them on the day of judgement.
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Some parents are even teaching their children these things. If you see the hand work of Satan, u shud be able to recognize it.

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of God inspires it all...even what you call secular music. He is in only Spirit of Inspiration and He inspires the use of all knowledge for any and every purpose out there.

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How does God inspires the use of good and bad knowledge for good and bad purposes? Quote relevant passages. And does it means that God have no problem with lyrics like 'Tramadol extra, soapy, olingo de sweet, evil is sweet etc"? Tnks.

Stephenomozzy:
Peaceful Chastisement.... Means punishing with reasoning and love. So the person can learn remorse and subsequent abhorrence of such misdeeds.

Not outright punishment that makes the person feel accepting penance later is an excuse for sinful nature.

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You're right. But the punishment I was talking about was the final judgement from God. Preachers shud not just emphasize grace and love at the expense of God's punishment.

Exmilitant:
You are asking me about some Jewish fairytale? I don't belief that story. Try another.

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This makes me wonder. Which God did you find?

Exmilitant:
What gives you the fucking right to tag another agent of darkness? You a god or what? Jesus prayed for his disciples to be kept safe but they all died very brutally. You and all Africans are definetely not among them.

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God gave me the right. I have the right to expose evil when I see one. If u lead people into sin, u are an agent of darkness. Why? Because u are working for Satan. Just as Christians are agents of light, so are Devil's children agents of darkness. Before u start to misread me, read John 8:44.
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It was not all Jesus's disciples that died brutally. Even his apostles also. By the way, I hope u can differentiate between the 2 - apostles are the 12 disciples chosen by Jesus. Every other followers of Jesus are disciples, including Africans. On a wider sense, an apostle is someone on a mission to spread the word of God. Read Matt 28:19.
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When God's people complete their purpose on earth, God will allow them to die (rest).
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I call a spade a spade. The world of today hate that a lot!

Smile4mee01:
Well said.

I could be wrong but Sometimes I feel men will continue to struggle financially because

A. As the world population increases and resources thin out, more and more men will struggle to make ends meet for themselves and thier family.

B. More and more women are entering the workforce, sometimes displacing the oppourtnites that could have been open to men and the women turn around to say the men are not financially responsible.People rarely talk about this, but it's TRUE. Many efforts are made to educate the girl child, when I was In university abroad. Many scholarships and Grant's were open to women only.

While we may argue that it's a good thing women are financially stable, the price some of them would have to pay is that they may not be happy maritally and some of them are ok with it.

A friend in Saudi Arabia told me women there dont work, it makes me think if the women there are happier and fulfilled. In fact to take a 2nd wife, the govt. Vets you to qualify to have more than 1. When a man fails in his duty maybe due ato death or disability, the state and family takes over. Are women designed to even work?

Also we need to think is Polygamy really as bad aaas we are told it is. Before christianity came to Africa, men and women were ok with it until the white mans religion told us it was not ok. Let's even reason together, with the current ratio of sexes, will every woman have 1 man to herself. Sticking to this norm will leave some people lonely.

Just thinking out loud. I know some feminists will come for me. Una welcome.

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Yes, men will continue to struggle financially and women are taking over jobs - probably because they are more comfortable with lower pay.
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Women were designed to be hard working. Prov 31:10 described such women who even provide for the needs of her family. Their financial contributions are welcome, but every man shud strive to be the main provider of the family.
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Talking about polygamy, Christians don't support it. Both the old and new testaments condemns it. Those that thought they were wiser (Solomon, David etc) saw the consequences. If u are a true Christian, you won't lack a mate if you pray for one.

samsard:
The Bible is a book written by ignorant men who knew nothing of how the universe works. If threats could kill atheists, many of us would have been dead from such by delusional people like you.
There is no such thing as demons, only products of our minds and fearful imaginations.

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Good bye man. I hand u over to God. May He show u mercy.

omenka:
Gave a neighbor who happens to be a pastor a ride three days ago. Was blasting away on one of my favorite rap albums- Deeper Than Rap.

Dude was clearly very uncomfortable but AC dey blow him balls, so he couldn't but sit there and endure the music.

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Ur choice of words only show that u hate godly people.