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The thread has been taken over by debate over the nature of Ebira men, to which I have no comment. I thought I would find posts comparing palaces especially from my boastful brothers from a kingdom in south south outside the core nigerdelta area . no offense pls.

I greet you all o!
How's business, and how far with the 60 day stuff?

What should Ooni of Ife do?
Remember Bini boys are among ng those who insult his royalty.
Did anyone call them to order?
Finally, it's wrong to insult Obas or any king openly.

BeLookingIDIOT:
You think the reason for their jihad is to seek convert

It is!
The greatest Jihad is against the individual's soul.
Another level of it is enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil.
The one you probably know, warfare was a perfect response to Crusade declared by Pope Urban.
Don't forget the original meaning of crusade is not the open air service you do today. It was a war declared by the church, in theocratic Europe on the holy land.

Preshy561:
Cos that's what allah promised them in his grave.

You must be a fool!
You ignorantly refer to Allah! What do you think Jesus called God in his language? God? You need a brain reset. What do you think is the difference in pronunciation of Eli and Allah if you're truly educated? Or you think Jesus is a name close to what your saviour answered? He was Yeshua = Yisa, very far from Jesus! No matter how passionate you're about your error, it cannot replace the truth.

chiedu7:
I beg Lagosians, this name Hamzat is he muslim?

Does it mean the Gov is Christian?

Fool!!!!
Go and mind the business of your home state and leave us with our matters.

Fool! Go and mind the business of your home state.

chimaude:
Be like say dem don pay you.

na Oga be that if you no know

yemaldo:
That was in the 80's bro, compare that to what Lagos is generating now and what autojosh posted is about transport sector alone, in fact auto josh didn't capture everything about d sector

You're very correct. I'm a huge fan of Fashola, but it's almost like a sacrilege to compare the two. In Jakande's time, we saw very ordinary people, I mean low class Nigerians became landlords irrespective of tribe, religion, or political party affiliation. Education was almost a right in Lagos that people flocked into Lagos from all over the country and neighboring countries. Lagos indigenes were educationally disadvantaged for which LASU was established to address. I can only pray for the man each time I hear or see his name.

Follygunners:
Rubbish! Stop celebrating mediocrity, abeg.

What achievement, abeg? You Nigerians are the major creators of ur own problems. You adulate these corrupt Politicians for doing their jobs. He didn't use his personal funds for these projects. He used the public funds meant for us all.

What a fool are you?
So you don't see a difference between Jakande and the average politician or governor of today? You must be incorrigible.

In truth Nri is one of the oldest kingdom. Also true is the claim Igbo were among the earliest inhabitants of Ile Ife. Linguistics can bear witness that Yoruba and Igbo are virtually variations of same original language spoken at that time in Ife, but mind you, I'm talking about first Ife, that was close to river Niger around present day Kogi. It is interesting to know that inhabitants were known as Ugbo; Yoruba is a much recent description. I'm sure Igbo is just a variant of the original Ugbo name. Recall, that Ife was destroyed by flood resulting in migration over a number of stages to present day Ife. It wasn't only Igbo that left, the dispersal resulted in Ugbo, Igbo, Igala, Igodomigodo(Bini) etc. Linguistics supports this claim and the original reason Ife was called the SOURCE. No matter the level of hate, genetics have confirmed Yoruba and Igbo are 99.9% genetically identical( google genetic mapping of African tribes report on Yoruba/Igbo). The Igala relationship is obvious and so is Bini to the extent that Yoruba and Bini battle over some words. Most of us don't know who we truly are. At some points, we were in Congo, later in Sudan, and finally in Kogi area, first Ife before our dispersal into various tribes: NUPE, Yoruba(originally Ugbo), Igala, Igbo, Bini(Igodomigodo) etc. This is what historians also classify as Niger Congo family of tribes.

It's a case of dispersal rather than descent. Original Ife being somewhere around Kogi.

MyVILLAGEpeople:
I think it's high time the Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo and Awujale of Ijebu land give this Oba Akinruntan a response or carry out a spiritual warfare on him for desecrating the Yoruba history.

Do you think they have a response? They can only try to suppress him.
Have you ever asked yourself if Yoruba race started at the time of Oduduwa? If not, who were the people he met in Ile Ife? Don't be deceived the coming of Oduduwa to Ife was by peaceful means, it was a war that vanquished the old dynasty, transforming Ife Oyelagbo to Ife Oodua. Most people are talking out of sheer ignorance.

CoolKizzy:
some years later.... how many awardees here still sustained the businesses. I'll love us to know ourselves!

I wish you guys the best on your efforts to get paid.
The biggest undoing of this thread has always been 90% of members choosing to keep quiet, only coming to the page to read comments as others discus matters that affect them until things go horribly wrong.
Be peaceful and courteous in your approach and just take it that you're very few in the struggle. I wish you the very best once again.

class0247:
The Bini so far trace their history to perhaps hundreds or thousands of years before 40 BCE when they where called Idu and to 40 BCE specifically, when the Ogiso dynasty began. Thirty-one Ogisos ruled Idu (called Igodomigodo), between 40 BCE and about 1200 CE. The first Ogiso (king) was called Ogiso Igodo and his capital was at Ugbekun. Ogiso Igodo�s successor, Ogiso Ere, transferred the capital from Ugbekun to Uhudumwunirin. The last of the Ogiso kings was called Owodo. He reigned in the early 11th century CE and had only one child, a son, despite having many wives. That child, Ekaladerhan, is Oduduwa. All Oduduwa�s telltale links with Edo are still there open to investigation. The non-mortal aura of Edo God-son kings since 40 BCE. The sacrosanct first son succeeding father traditional law. The, around 1200 CE, Ogiso succession problems because heir apparent, Ekhaladerha, escaped to Yorubaland. The emergence of Ogieamie chiefdom to sell Edo land at every coronation to Edo Oba elect since 1200 CE. By the above account, Bini historians are saying that Oduduwa�s reign in Ife ended around 1200 CE. Yoruba historians confirm that Oduduwa�s first child and son was Oronmiyan and that Oronmiyan was the first Alaafin of Oyo. Yoruba historians deliberately avoid discussing the date Oronmiyan ascended the Alaafin throne obviously because that would destroy their myth about when Oduduwa intervened in their lives.

The Bini say the Alaafin�s dynasty in Oyo began around 1200 CE. Oronmiyan was in Igodomigodo in 1170 CE, and it was after his sojourn in Igodomigodo that he set up his Oyo dynasty. This date is not difficult for Yoruba historians to verify and if it is true, Oduduwa was alive during his son�s sojourn in Igodomigodo and also when the Oyo dynasty came into being. Therefore, the Ife stool could not have become vacant until about 1200 CE. This is not really debatable because Yoruba historians confirm that 37 Oonis reigned in Ife before Akinmoyero in (1770-1800), and that 13 more have reigned since. This enables us to prove the 1200 CE date mathematically. If from 1800 CE to 2004 CE (i.e. a period of 204 years), produced 13 Oonis on the average, how many Oonis could have reigned from 1200 CE to 1800 CE (i.e. a period of 600 years)? The answer is 38 Oonis.
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Enosakhare Idubor The Oduduwa Controversy Resolved.Part 2

The Ife history of the Ooni dynasty confirms 38 Oonis, including Akinmoyero (1770 � 1800). Here are their names in the ascending order of the period of their reign: Ogun, Osangangan, Obamakin, Ogbogbodirin, Obalufon, Oronmiyan, Ayetise, Lajamisan, Lajodogun, Lafogido, Odidimode Regbesin, Aworokolokun, Ekun, Ajimuda, Gboo-Nijio, Okinlajosin, Adegbalu, Osinkola, Ogbooru, Giesi, Luwoo (female), Lumobi, Agbedegbede, Ojee-Lokunbirin, Lagunja, Larunka, Ademilu, Omogbogbo, Ajila-Oorun, Adejinle, Olojo, Okiti, Lugbade, Aribiwoso, Osinlade, Adagba, Ojigidiri (Lumbua), Akinmoyero (1770 � 1800), Gbanlare (1800 �1823), Gbegbaaja (1823 �1835), Wunmonije (1835 �1839), Adegunle Abewelo (1839 �1849), Degbinsokun (1849 � 1878), Oranyigba (1878 � 1880), Derin Ologbenla (1880 �1894), Adelekan Olubuse I (1894 �1910), Adekola (1910), Ademiluyi Ajagun (1910 �1930), Adesoji Aderemi (1930 � 1970), and the current Ooni Okunade Sijuwade Olubuse II, whose reign dates from 1980. Obviously, Oronmiyan, the first child and son of Oduduwa, did not inherit his father�s throne, which is the genesis of the quarrel between the true Oduduwa�s heirs and the Ooni�s dynasty.

Oduduwa�s eight children (as claimed by Yoruba historians), are known as the Obalades or crowned chiefs of Yorubaland. The argument is that not all Yoruba Obas have genuine crowns; only the Obalades are the exception and consist of the Alaafin of Oyo, the Oregun of Ile Ila, the Alake of Egbaland, the Owaoboku of Ijeshaland, the Alaketu of Ketu, the Owa of Ilesa and two Obas in the Republic of Benin as follows: the Onipopo of Popo and the Onisabe of Sabe. What this means in effect is that Yoruba civilization did not start in earnest until the reign of Oduduwa and his sons. All leading Yoruba historians agree on this.

In fact, we know that it was from early twelfth century that Ife grew into a large city surrounded by walls, inhabited mostly by farmers and some skilled craftsmen who created great works of arts respected around the world today. The famous Ife bronze, terracotta works, statues in baked clay, some representing the Ooni dressed in full regalia, are among the world�s greatest works of art. Some of the terracotta were so large and complex, it is impossible to bake them today even with modern technology. All these date back to the eleventh century CE.

Because Ogun, the first Ooni after the demise of Oduduwa, was not Oduduwa�s child, he was not considered an Obalade by Yoruba tradition and elite. Ogun was a chief with spiritual responsibilities. He usurped the Ife throne because the true heirs to the throne were busy else where at the time of their father�s death. Ogun out maneuvered the children of Oduduwa over the Ife throne with his superior knowledge of the inner working of the Ooni�s palace, and his spiritual prowess as the head of the Ogun shrine. Oduduwa�s true heirs have been smarting over this ever since.

Chief Obafemi Awolowo, the Premier of the Western Region of Nigeria in the early sixties, strengthened the hands of the Oonis, and facilitated their prominence in Yorubaland by appointing Oba Adesoji Aderemi, the Ooni of Ife at the time, as the first Governor of the now defunct Western Region of Nigeria. Oba Adesoji Aderemi�s ascendance was consolidated with his Chairmanship of the Western Region�s Council of Obas that at the time entrapped the Edo Oba. With such immense political power of his own, and the political influence and authority of Awolowo as the leader of the Yoruba, no one could raise a finger against the supposed illegitimacy of the Ooni�s dynasty in Yorubaland. The Bini, of course, were worst hit as a voiceless minority in Awolowo�s Western Region�s politics of tribal exclusion and domination.

The Oduduwa lineage tried to fight back by identifying with the NPN in opposition to the UPN. Awolowo accentuated the schism by promoting the emergence of Bode Thomas, a young and dynamic lawyer from Oyo. Bode, with Awolowo�s clout, wielded considerable political power in Oyo to the point of being rude to the Alaafin, who was alleged to have put a curse on him. Bode became mad to the chagrin of Awolowo, who promptly banished the Alaafin from his Oyo throne. Just as the Oduduwa�s legitimate heirs and the Yoruba elite generally, have always known and concealed the quarrel over the Ife throne, the Bini have always known their history and borne the pains of not being able to act on it because Chief Awolowo was unassailable and had turned the Ooni dynasty into a colossus to cow all opposition.

Another way of confirming Oduduwa�s 1200 CE demise date in Ife, is to look into the famous account of valour during Oduduwa�s reign when an external invasion by the Igbos from the East took place. The record can easily be traced and Moremi�s courage came to the fore at the time for sacrificing her life for the safety of her people. From 1200 CE to 2004 CE is only 804 years, so the Yoruba should stop deceiving themselves that Oduduwa dropped from the skies at the beginning of time or that Ife is the �source� of the universe. Ife is �Uhe,� meaning Oduduwa�s re-birth, or successful re-location from Bini land of his ancestors.

You done a good job, let's avoid bitterness to get the best out of it.
1) the people who invaded Ile Ife, leading to the Moremi story were called Ugbo. They were camped in a place called Oke Igbo(which still exists). From Oke Igbo, oracle led them to found a new kingdom known till today as Ugbo(Ugbo kingdom, presently having the richest king in on Nigeria, Olu-Ugbo, Obateru). It was never Igbo from the East, that's only a common error.
2) However, this is another proof that Igbo were also ancient people of Ife. The inhabitants were called Ugbo originally. So, Igbo is only a variation of same word Ugbo.
3) Olu-Ugbo was the pre oduduwa tittle of the rulers of IFE, the original dynasty displaced by oduduwa dynasty.

No matter how much we hate one another, we can't hide facts forever.
Call it Old Ife, NUPE, Ugbo, or even Niger Congo, it is the mother of all tribes.

Ignorance and arrogance are the issues here.
In reality, there are no conflicts between Yoruba claims and Obi's claims.
You fools on this thread should learn for once.
The journey of man started in southern Africa, from where we splinted and our group migrating to Congo. At some point, WE WERE ALL CONGOLESE AND ONE. THEN WE MIGRATED TO SUDAN, FROM SUDAN TO THE BANK OF THE NIGER, WHICH WAS REFERED TO BY DIFFERENT NAMES AT DIFFERENT TIMES, LIKE OLD IFE, NYUIFE, NUPE. THE GREAT EVOLUTION OF LANGUAGES AND TRIBES OF OVER 70% OF THE TRIBES IN WEST AFRICA TOOK PLACE HERE. EARLIEST BINI PEOPLE ORIGINATED FROM HERE AS SUPPORTED BY JACOB EGAREVBA WHEN HE WROTE THE EARLIEST BINI PEOPLE CAME FROM NUPE. OLD IFE WAS DESTROYED BY FLOOD OF THE NIGER AND PEOPLE MOVED DOWN SOUTH TO FORMED SUBSEQUENT ILE IFE. IGALA AND IGBO ALSO ORIGINATED FROM HERE AS EVIDENCED BY GENETICS; A UN BACKED RESEARCH, GENETIC MAPPING OF AFRICAN TRIBES SHOWS THAT YORUBAS AND IGBOS ARE 99.9% GENETICALLY IDENTICAL. FURTHERMORE, THE WORD YORUBA IS RELATIVELY RECENT, ANCIENT INHABITANTS OF ILE IFE WERE ONCE REFERRED TO AS UGBO.
So, it's not a case of progenitor of yorubas coming from Igbo, the reverse is far more plausible; but the THRUTH IS, IT WAS A MATTER OF DISPERSALS.
We must also not forget that kingdoms and kingships are very recent in human history of about 200,000 years(kingdoms and kingships are generally less than 10,000 years). What most of us here don't know is that we're all classified as yorubas by international researchers as Yoruba and Khoesan are identified as two of the earliest tribes to evolved in human history

chiedu7:
Sorry you are doing Allah's will not God's will.


God says , he that is without sin should cast the 1st stone; As God does not endorse killing for sin.


Joh 8:7 ......and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

While Allah as we can all see behead's at will.

This is just one stark difference btw God & allah.


More Stark differences btw God & Allah.

(1a) Allah commands Moslems to hate Jews.

Surah 5:51
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies.

(1b) God commands Christians to bless Jews

Genesis 12

1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram,......

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.


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(2a)
ALLAH COMMANDS TO BEAT YOUR WIFE


Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,


Qur'an (4:34) -
"Men are the maintainers of women because
Allah has made some of them to
....... BEAT THEM;



(2b) THE CHRISTIAN GOD COMMANDS TO LOVE YOUR WIFE

Ephesians 5:25 (KJV)
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


Colossians 3:19
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
and
BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM.

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(3a) Allah says you can marry 4 wives.

Surah 4:3
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four.



(3b)
God is specifc that you marry ONE wife

Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife(singular): and they twain shall be one flesh?


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Please listen to a former Muslim Scholar explain that Allah is not the same as God.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-i_usnHXs

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Allah himself confirms he is NOT GOD.

Surah 5:51
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another.
And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them.
Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

There it shows the God of the bible is not allah.

You mean the 3 in 1 pagan god you invented around Jesus?
Continue to fool yourself as even Jesus referee to God as Allah in his language.

The pastor needs deliverance! He should be taken to Lord's Chosen

Truefaith:
Nigeria should export good things to other countries.


Hinduism cleverly wrapped in the name of Christianity should not be one of them.


The Malaysians have enough Hindus in their country.


Members of the RCCG should read their Bibles and turn from witchcraft.


https://www.thetruechristianfaith.com/2017/08/20/pastor-enock-adeboye-reveals-his-miracle-wooden-stick/

And your Christianity is not on the list? You've succeeded in deluding yourself!

People have always loved to be quiet on this platform, preferring others to discuss their problems while they read without a response. Silence is golden, not when your interest is at stake.

Hmmm!

danladi10:
Fast-Track Window grantees were settled last Thursday, and those left under Accelerator grant window were paid yesterday. Anyone in Performance Window paid yet?

Your info is true. Is it everyone that's been settled as stated?

All praise be to God.
Anything that has a beginning must surely come to an end.
It's a full four year course.

Guys, pls, as you receive your alert, phonecalls, mails, and SMS, kindly keep the platform posted so that others might know where they're lagging behind.
Thanks

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leye4u:
Several people even received officials from the Accountant general's office last (grantees in Oyo state)

I believe alot is going on in the background and several people who have qualified would receive disbursement soon.

Which window(s) pls?

You are deceiving yourself as long as you didn't convince him or anyone how God is three in one!
Go and confirm George Bush is now a Muslim and no one made a noise about it.

It's Performance Window galore!
Congratulations to you guys.

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There's no other way to pay grantees of performance window as there's no time to split the grant into 1st and 2nd.