Serious problem in our land

davodyguy:
Thanks for your comment.

I have some things to say, but so I don't sound racists, I would not say it here in the open, maybe to your mail.

It's quite unfortunate how they treat Nigerians.

In 2017 precisely in July, I was denied AU visa (my application was submitted online and treated in SA)

The officer said I didn't provide evidence that I've attended a similar conference before in a comparable country. He denied me on 27th July, I reapplied on 31st July and sent a protest letter against for not considering previous visas and the fact that I was in Tokyo for same conference in 2015. He responded and said the Japanese Visa showed visit Visa, rather than business Visa, hence he assumed I went for tourism and not for conference.

Just image that kind of excuse.

After reapplication, same person granted the visa on 31/8/2017. I was able to travel to Australia and participated in the Sydney conference.

25 Nigerians applied, only 6 of us were issued Visas. Out of the 6, only 3 of us traveled cos the ticket cost was into the millions, because of closeness to travel date.

Now in 2019, we faced the same thing. About tell has applied, and only 3 so far, all others were denied.

Sometimes, I wonder what's happening. Is it that our image is so battered abroad that genuine applicants will have to suffer for the sins of microscopic stupid individuals who criminally violated visa rules?

It's very unfortunate to say the least

well Nigeria is not alone .... it’s generally Africa

There’s been a debate on this issue lately on aljazeera.....Africans are paying the price no doubt

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/07/report-finds-visa-discrimination-uk-africans-suffer-190717133253395.html

I can only say congratz to those who got theirs. Nobody can guarantee the outcome of any visa.In all honesty I didn’t support the second application because it has a very little chance. U need to get it right the first time. If denied, give it sometimes and claim your circumstances have changed. But because of your seminar date fast approaching, this kind of advice isn’t for your group.

A Nigerian guy is legally married to a kiwi, he lives in Brazil and the lady lives in NZ, the lady and her mum had visited him.... she’s re-visited several times but still he’s been denied ordinary temporary entry visa upto 6x. Now the lady had relocated to live with him in Brazil, so he can reapply whenever he qualifies for a Residence visa. Why am I saying this? It’s just to show a lot have changed in the last couple of years. Never use to be this hard. But people have taken too much advantage of NZ relaxed immigration rules and the new government is trying to correct that.

Many issues going on with migration all over the world and NZ is not exceptional. Many Europeans migrants are also finding it difficult to get a permanent stay in NZ now. So they ain’t targeting any particular race. It’s just what it is for now.

Cheers

davodyguy:

Oga, you didn't comment on my post for visa denial for a colleague the second time

Jayce01:
Hi everyone, please I'd like to ask
BTW New zealand and finland which is a better option? Especially for a student, who's looking to take up part time jobs, maybe one or two while going to school?

Economically Europe and Most Europeans countries are a bigger market but you might face Language barrier and other things faced by people of colour all around the world.

On the other hand, NZ is a smaller market, no major language barrier, unemployment rate is less than 5% so which means u will always get something to do while studying. Kiwis are generally welcoming no matter where u from. But as a student visa holder, u can only work 20hrs/ week.


Hope this is helpful

I don’t like Wizz but this is Dope with capital ‘D’

Do u have any job offer yet or have u applied for any? I really don’t understand the kind of visa u talking about. But I will presume it’s the Essential work visa or the seasonal supplementary work visa which allows visitors to work for short periods of time due to shortage of workers in the agricultural sector....
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/about-visa/supplementary-seasonal-employment-sse-work-visa
Can u please clarify or anyone who understands that visa category.

hammed71:
please guys how do I go about this

davodyguy:


Here's the cost of air ticket and options

1. Ethiad Lagos -Abu Dhabi- Auckland no need for transit Visa ₦1,400,000
2. Qatar airways Lagos -Doha- Auckland no need for transit ₦1,400,000
3. Emirates Airline Lagos- Dubai- Auckland, no need for transit ₦1,350,000
4. SAA Lagos- JXB- Perth- AKL may need transit ₦817,000

Considering I'm only going for conference and I'm not going to make any money in Auckland, which is the most reasonable option to take as a family who need to spend money on other important things apart from traveling?

Option 4 is the best ..... what I pointed out to u is the same option but replacing ‘Perth’ with ‘Hong kong’ ( if u don’t wanna apply for any transit visa) same SAA nothing changes.

SAA have two route to NZ..... one requires transit visa, one doesn’t. I’ve used the Honk kong route before and Honk kong Airport and Airline is one of the best I’ve experienced so far.

Flying through Honk kong might even be cheaper

But expect to see upto 98% Asian on your flight from Honk kong if u choose that route.

https://secure.flightcentre.co.nz/k5QV/results#booking-summary

Cheers

davodyguy:


I see.

I will send an email to SAA ASAP for clarification, if not I can apply for transit Visa myself.

I was given AU visa in 2017 and didn't violate their rules, so I think there would be no issue apply for Transit Visa.

One of the benefits I enjoy is having my Visa come early and ample time to prepare

You are the man....

davodyguy:


I see,

But I read somewhere that if we remain on airside and not stay beyond 8:00hours, we would not need a transit.

I just check SA now, they said we're stopping over in Pert for 7hrs:15m

Should we be worried?

If u all traveling with Nigeria passport, I think u should be worried

davodyguy:


I may be wrong, that's why we are sharing ideas.

Kindly read the below to see if I may have interpreted wrongly

I didn’t see Nigeria in the list of eligible travelers. Double check with your carrier. I may be wrong too. lol

davodyguy:


I see,

But I read somewhere that if we remain on airside and not stay beyond 8:00hours, we would not need a transit.

I just check SA now, they said we're stopping over in Pert for 7hrs:15m

Should we be worried?

Alright mate, Upto u what u decide......but if I were u, I will go for certainty than risking not being allowed to board on your travel date.
The only non- transit visa required route I know of are Honk kong and Bangkok Thailand.

davodyguy:


Will be waiting oo

Just shot myself in the foot.

Last week I got a booking for return ticket at N760,000 but i didn't buy, not it is N817,000 for Lagos-Jxb-Perth-AKL via SAA

if u go through Perth, u wil need a transit visa for Australia.... Tell ur agent or whoever to route u through Honk kong instead of Perth . SAA also have that route. Just re-route

bigglenn12:
Hello Gorus on this thread i have been a silent reader here. I want to migrate for greener pastures
Im a graduate of industrial chemistry and currently work in an FMCG, with over 5 years of working experience, no travel history. I want to relocate to New Zealand. I have seen vocational courses to apply for since their fees is not quite expensive. Its a 12 weeks course, my question is
1) can i work during my 12 weeks as a student?
2)after my visa expires can i change my status of my visa to live permanently or have work permit? Because i don't want to come back here to Nigeria once i leave.

@femijck@ugsams please advice. God bless

No one is saying anything.... I am only been honest and stating my intentions. Kindly help me in responding please!!

I really have to check this out as this is a short course. I’m not sure if u will qualify for a post study work visa but as long as u have a student visa, I believe u can do part time job..

Will update this reply with d right link ASAP.

davodyguy:

I'll take this to mean, 'karo ore'

But, honestly Femi, you are the man.

I appreciate. I would have made a fatal error if not that I shared the message here and you warned me

God bless you and you too shall find help in the time of need

One love brother, Seeing people get their visa is the joy of everyone helping out with info on this thread....Another person who spoke to me privately due to the confidentiality of his application also got approved few weeks ago. But it would have been good to say something here just to keep the thread alive. And also to share info with others.

davodyguy:


You never sleep

Multiple loading

I dey dance skelewu skelewu

The start date of your visa is: 05 July 2019
You must arrive in New Zealand before: 5/10/2019
The number of times you may enter New Zealand using this visa is: Multiple

Congratz mate... now I can say ‘Kia ora’ to u.

davodyguy:
Glory be to God in the highest

Lol congrats

I had similar issue sometimes back with the then ‘Diamond ‘ bank ..... chatted with them, provided my identity docs and they rang my oversea line to confirm my personal information .....but I didn’t follow it through.

Maybe u can do the same

Naija, a country where the rich see themselves as god and live above the rule of law. Shameful

shogan5:
Can u pls send me ur contact or ur email

informations are given on this thread for the benefit of others. I can’t promise a response to any PM sorry.

Cheers

shogan5:
Hello bro pls can you guard me though am all my processing to New Zealand

Myself and other knowledgeable people on this thread are willing to help anybody with information.

davodyguy:


I already copied post and sent to my colleagues. If they act on it and still get denied after second application, we would do the needful to the author

lol....And who is d author?

ugsams:



Cover letter is a very important component for visa application especially those that visa interviews are not compulsory. It's on the letter that one will answer possible questions that would have been asked if the immigration officer is to interview he/she. It's there that one gets to explain his individual circumstances, full reason for travel, the value it will add to his life, his socioeconomic status amongst other things. Knowing how to draft this letter is another thing.

Best way to write this letter is by putting yourself in the position of that immigration officer who have absolutely no prior knowledge of you or your circumstances. but also have 100’s of other applications to go through at the same time as yours. This letter should not be bulky if u really want your case officer to read it. 3-4 pages max is enough

Despite the great importance of a cover letter in any visa application, there’s no known template or format for it. Which means it doesn’t matter how It’s written as long as the message is delivered.

Cover letters are unique to each individual and visa types. BUT all cover letter must contains most of the following information.


Your cover letter must be able to;

1. Introduce you to the immigration officer (Name, passport number and Nationality), what you do and your socio-economy status.
2. Link together every other evidences or documents you’ve supplied
3. Your plans, duration and purpose for visit
4. Values or benefits the traveling will add to your personal life or business if granted visa.


Also, I usually recommend that people include a “Table Of Content” to their application especially if it’s a paper application. It’s the best way to tell the case officer what documents you’ve included in the application. So even if they miss anything the first time, the table of contents will remind them.

Lastly, Emotions is the only one thing that’s the same all over the world. So despite colour, race or status we all have emotions. Show a little bit of emotion/vulnerability towards the end of your letter. I mean just a “little bit” to show what the visa actually means to you but not in a desperate way and how u will “Never” break the conditions of your visa if it’s granted. This has worked for me many times.

P.S; Information contained here are my personal opinions and should not be taken as immigration advise.

davodyguy:

I learned a thing or two from you regarding supplying information that may or may not be required.

If you see how I've been bombarding with documents, it's as if my life depended on it

There's a section that my attention was drawn to

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/opsmanual/#34341.htm

Yea u are right with the link ... there’s also another one very similar to this ..... this is d same manual that determines the out come of any application.

davodyguy:

They didn't even do any cover letter, save letter of introduction by employer, they also didn't attach photographs etc.

But they're reapplying next week.

Out of 6 of us that applied, 4 refusal, 2 contacted for additional information

Why would anybody apply for a visa without a cover letter explaining their circumstances even if it wasn’t asked for.

SAT123:
@Femijck and others

Great day and it has been wonderful learning from here.

I have equiries,
1. What is the cost of living in Hamilton for a family of 4
Father,mother and kids of age 7 and 4?
2. What is the average salary that one can live comfortably with in Hamilton,NZ?
3. What is the school like for children of the above age?


And other information you can help with.

My family is working on moving,am working on taking up an offer with an arm of the organization that I work with,but I still have to discuss salary.

Thanks.

Ugsam should have info about this

I’ve replied ur email

davodguy:

I think he did.

Please check your mail, let's chat offline abeg. Can say stuff here for security purposes

davodguy:
Number colleague now refused again on two grounds

1. He did not show strong employment record
2. He did not show he has traveled for the conference before.

This man that was denied has been traveling since year 2000 to every part of the world. If you see his int'l Passport, the booklet is always, filled, but was still denied. His the most senior executive in his office, as the organization was founded by his cousin in 1997 and still waxing strong till date.

I just don't understand what's happening

Did he submit a copy of all his previous visa with the application since u guys are doing online and immigration hasn’t even seen his passport to confirm his travel experience ?
Did he show proper records of his employment, asset, liabilities and even family ties to Nigeria?

There should be a part of the application that actually shows all the socio-economy bond to the country.

Email me You’ve contacted me before

davodyguy:


Hello. Just got a mail requesting for further information.

Need to chat you privately oga

Send a pm

davodyguy:


Hello. Just got a mail requesting for further information.

Need to chat you privately oga

davodyguy:
Another of my colleagues, has just been denied again, making 2 out of 5 applications sent so far

wetin Dey happen na .... how u take package d application

Mehn that’s why I always prefer paper application... so I can bombard them with paperwork...

davodyguy:

I think it may be deliberate.

See reasons below. They said they reserve the right to ask for more information, but chose not to

No it’s never deliberate to deny anyone a visa.
This is how it works ....Each immigration officer is trained to use their discretion to judge each application. However there’s a list of eligibility criteria that needs to be ticked on paper by the case officer before any visa is granted. This eligibility criteria is further checked by a supervisor or senior staff to make sure every case officer do not miss any information and have made the right decision on each application.

The burden of proof is on the applicant to make sure the case officer is provided with every necessary document and information. The list of this eligibility criteria is not confidential. You can easily find them on the immigration site if u search enough. It’s a very open process.

If you’re applying for a temporary entry visa ( visitor, tourist, work etc), the immigration officer is “ not obligated” to ask u for any missing piece or pieces in ur application. They have every right to deny it first time. And u cannot appeal or demand any further explanation.

However if it’s a permanent visa category like a resident visa application, the immigration officer is “obligated” to inform the applicant through a letter called “Potentially prejudicial information” PPI Letter, before making the final decision on the application. This letter allows u to clarify whatever doubt they have or provide any missing piece. Even if this category of visa is denied and u think it has been done in error or unjustly, u can appeal the results or even petition the immigration minister.

If a case officer have concerns but you’ve provided every necessary documents and information required for ur visa category, as long as the case officer can tick all the boxes on their paper you are very still likely to get the visa in most cases.

On the other hand, If your motive and intentions are genuine and crystal clear to the case officer but unfortunately s/he can’t tick all the eligibility criteria boxes on the paper, the visa will be declined no matter what.
Except the case officer is in a very good mood or maybe just a very nice and patient person and s/he is willing to go outside of the call of duty to help.

I hope u understand better

Blaqman:


GOOD MORNING ALL, CAN ANYONE ADVISE HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR A PH,D STUDENT VISA TO BE APPROVED AFTER COLLECTING MY VISA BACK FROM SOUTH AFRICA. IT IS ALMOST SIX WEEKS TO TWO MONTHS NOW THAT I COLLECTED MY VISA BACK FRO SA AND I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING REGARDING MY SUBMITTED VISA APPLICATION BECAUSE THE STATUS HAS NOT CHANGED FROM SUBMITTED.

which visa did u collect back from SA