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Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point.

It's now clear that you yourself appreciate that you are wrong on this issue.

So, let me go to the next issue you raised.

Answer the question

How can he lie when he never existed!

Dtruthspeaker:
Off Point.

It's now clear that you yourself appreciate that you are wrong on this issue.

So, let me go to the next issue you raised.

Answer the question,

How can the devil lie when he was never part of original Christianity?

Small correction for people confidently wrong about their own religion.

In early Hebrew thought and the original Old Testament context, “Satan” was NOT a red horned demon or the embodiment of evil. That idea is medieval fan-fiction that came much later.

Originally, the concept was split into three very different meanings:

1) Ha-Satan = The Divine Prosecutor
In the Hebrew Bible, ha-satan literally means “the adversary” or “the accuser”.
It was a job title, not a name.

Ha-Satan was part of God’s heavenly court. Think prosecuting lawyer, not rebel angel.
His role was to test humans and report back to God.

Classic example is the Book of Job.
He doesn’t oppose God. He works for God.

No horns. No rebellion. No war in heaven.

2) Yetzer Hara = The Internal Impulse
In Jewish theology, evil was never originally a monster outside you.

It was Yetzer Hara, meaning the evil inclination.
Greed. Pride. Ego. Lust. Selfishness.

So “resisting Satan” originally meant mastering yourself, not fighting an external demon.

The battlefield was the human mind, not hell.

3) Satan as a Human Adversary
The word satan was also used for human opponents.

If someone blocked your path, opposed your mission, or worked against you, they were a “satan”. Just an adversary. Nothing supernatural.

Even in the New Testament, Jesus calls Apostle Peter “Satan” when Peter tried to stop him.
Obviously Peter didn’t sprout horns. He was just acting as a temporary obstacle.

So summary, very simple:

Satan was originally:
• a role (divine prosecutor)
• a psychological impulse (human selfishness)
• or a human opponent

The red horned fire demon is a much later medieval invention, heavily influenced by Greek mythology and European folklore.

If you’re going to argue religion, at least argue the original text, not cartoons and church posters.

Dtruthspeaker:
When you say they became "mortal" you have confess that they became dieable and that they died.

So, now your saying that Satan did not lie, has been bursted.

Even you knew you were lying which is why you dodged directly answering the simple question asked and resorted to the fallacy of
Shifting the burden of proof.

Answer the question?

How can the devil lie when he never existed in the Bible?

When I said he never lied thats the truth literally because he was never part of original Christianity

Small correction for people confidently wrong about their own religion.

In early Hebrew thought and the original Old Testament context, “Satan” was NOT a red horned demon or the embodiment of evil. That idea is medieval fan-fiction that came much later.

Originally, the concept was split into three very different meanings:

1) Ha-Satan = The Divine Prosecutor
In the Hebrew Bible, ha-satan literally means “the adversary” or “the accuser”.
It was a job title, not a name.

Ha-Satan was part of God’s heavenly court. Think prosecuting lawyer, not rebel angel.
His role was to test humans and report back to God.

Classic example is the Book of Job.
He doesn’t oppose God. He works for God.

No horns. No rebellion. No war in heaven.

2) Yetzer Hara = The Internal Impulse
In Jewish theology, evil was never originally a monster outside you.

It was Yetzer Hara, meaning the evil inclination.
Greed. Pride. Ego. Lust. Selfishness.

So “resisting Satan” originally meant mastering yourself, not fighting an external demon.

The battlefield was the human mind, not hell.

3) Satan as a Human Adversary
The word satan was also used for human opponents.

If someone blocked your path, opposed your mission, or worked against you, they were a “satan”. Just an adversary. Nothing supernatural.

Even in the New Testament, Jesus calls Apostle Peter “Satan” when Peter tried to stop him.
Obviously Peter didn’t sprout horns. He was just acting as a temporary obstacle.

So summary, very simple:

Satan was originally:
• a role (divine prosecutor)
• a psychological impulse (human selfishness)
• or a human opponent

The red horned fire demon is a much later medieval invention, heavily influenced by Greek mythology and European folklore.

If you’re going to argue religion, at least argue the original text, not cartoons and church posters.

Dtruthspeaker:
God only said "they shall die" where Satan said that they shall not die. No "drop dead" in any of these scenarios.

So, only two question remains which is did they die as God Said? Or did they live forever, immorally as Satan said?

And the answer is clear that they died as even you confessed in saying they became "mortal".

You dont know your religion 😂

Dtruthspeaker:
When you say they became "mortal" you have confess that they became dieable and that they died.

So, now your saying that Satan did not lie, has been bursted.

Even you knew you were lying which is why you dodged directly answering the simple question asked and resorted to the fallacy of
Shifting the burden of proof.

Oh love doing this part because YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW YOUR OWN RELIGION!

Small correction for people confidently wrong about their own religion.

In early Hebrew thought and the original Old Testament context, “Satan” was NOT a red horned demon or the embodiment of evil. That idea is medieval fan-fiction that came much later.

Originally, the concept was split into three very different meanings:

1) Ha-Satan = The Divine Prosecutor
In the Hebrew Bible, ha-satan literally means “the adversary” or “the accuser”.
It was a job title, not a name.

Ha-Satan was part of God’s heavenly court. Think prosecuting lawyer, not rebel angel.
His role was to test humans and report back to God.

Classic example is the Book of Job.
He doesn’t oppose God. He works for God.

No horns. No rebellion. No war in heaven.

2) Yetzer Hara = The Internal Impulse
In Jewish theology, evil was never originally a monster outside you.

It was Yetzer Hara, meaning the evil inclination.
Greed. Pride. Ego. Lust. Selfishness.

So “resisting Satan” originally meant mastering yourself, not fighting an external demon.

The battlefield was the human mind, not hell.

3) Satan as a Human Adversary
The word satan was also used for human opponents.

If someone blocked your path, opposed your mission, or worked against you, they were a “satan”. Just an adversary. Nothing supernatural.

Even in the New Testament, Jesus calls Apostle Peter “Satan” when Peter tried to stop him.
Obviously Peter didn’t sprout horns. He was just acting as a temporary obstacle.

So summary, very simple:

Satan was originally:
• a role (divine prosecutor)
• a psychological impulse (human selfishness)
• or a human opponent

The red horned fire demon is a much later medieval invention, heavily influenced by Greek mythology and European folklore.

If you’re going to argue religion, at least argue the original text, not cartoons and church posters.

posted this before,

Now I pose a question to you, how can the devil lie WHEN HE NEVER EXISTED IN THE BIBLE?

Dtruthspeaker how can you claim to practice a religion and say you believe that religion and NOT RESPECT IT ENOUGH to learn every single thing about it?

Im an atheist and yet I respected it enough to learn everything so I have the right to say I dont believe it

Dtruthspeaker:
When you say they became "mortal" you have confess that they became dieable and that they died.

So, now your saying that Satan did not lie, has been bursted.

Even you knew you were lying which is why you dodged directly answering the simple question asked and resorted to the fallacy of
Shifting the burden of proof.

No, they did not drop dead when they ate the fruit so he did not lie he withheld a side effect

Death later

QuinQQ:
Well, u r wrong. Pepple insult here all the time and tempers get very hot. Ask other Atheists. But I don't know what that has to do with the discussion you're trying to have

No, thats beauty of it

You insult each others religions, you cant insult mine because I dont have one

And talking about religion thats different as well

QuinQQ:
Sorry, still don't know why we're having discussion about insults. Ask MaxInDHouse, they're always insulting him in this section, always calling him Mad Max. Don't know what any of this has to do with "Sky Wizard". Why not just tell us what led you to becoming an atheist or if you were born that way

Im Norwegian ive never been in a religious building a single time in my life and I never will

At home even children get a choice

QuinQQ:
Sorry, still don't know why we're having discussion about insults. Ask MaxInDHouse, they're always insulting him in this section, always calling him Mad Max. Don't know what any of this has to do with "Sky Wizard". Why not just tell us what led you to becoming an atheist or if you were born that way

😂 he blocked me and does regularly

It freaks him out that an atheist talks about religion and doesn't insult it

He cant lable me

Image123:
What's your first language, we'd probably need a translator to communicate.

Norwegian

QuinQQ:
Sorry, still don't know why we're having discussion about insults. Ask MaxInDHouse, they're always insulting him in this section, always calling him Mad Max. Don't know what any of this has to do with "Sky Wizard". Why not just tell us what led you to becoming an atheist or if you were born that way

Did I say you insulted or anyone insulted?

I said I posted here because I knew no one would insult it

Image123:
A new kid on the block. Things have hardly changed like the Bible said, nothing new here.

The Bible hasn't changed? Thats a joke

The original Hebrew the devil never existed
You read a translation of a translation of a translation

Thats changed tons of it

Dtruthspeaker:
Too long but Let's start here, even if you do not get others

Did he not lie when he said that they shall not die for eating the fruit?

Did they die? Or just become mortal and get freedom?

If you cannot be bothered to read it then dont ask questions about it

QuinQQ:
I still don't get you. I was saying NT doesn't exist for Jews who supposedly wrote OT, yet you're lumping the two stories together in Sky Wizard.
I don't know how it became a discussion about insults!

I posted on here because if you dont insult religion Nigerian dont insult for discussing religion

Its 1 of the things you are always happy to discuss and think about from different angles and perspectives

Culture on the other hand you ONLY LIE ABOUT

LordIsaac:
Yet, Jesus is Lord. Ask Him into your life today!

Typical Christian BREAKING YOUR BIBLES RULES it specifically says NOT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO BELIEVE you are not Christian you are a hypocrite

Like with your cultures ILLEGALLY forcing them on people

Grow up, you dont like it then keep your nose out

QuinQQ:
Don't get you. Where do you see or infer insult?

Thats what I just said
You didn't see what I wrote as an insult
And you didn't insult over it

And your jew question, Christians and Muslims argue with atheists all the time

Do you ever hear of a jew arguing with an atheist? Nope because jews take free will seriously

QuinQQ:
I mean, the people who supposedly wrote OT don't accept NT

Thats the thing about Nigerians and Nairaland.

I didn't insult religion did i? And YOU dont see it as offensive or you would have been insulting about it

QuinQQ:
And who wrote the Sky Wizard story? You realize the Jews don't accept NT. The story ends with OT for them!

And you think i care? Atheist, I wrote it for myself and just posted it because here its saved in digital form forever

QuinQQ:
So who was the Sky Wizard praying to and calling Father?

And fyi, if Jesus is god
Then in human form he can logically pray to himself same principle in my version but wait for the next half

QuinQQ:
So who was the Sky Wizard praying to and calling Father?

You will get that answer in the next installment
The Serpent arc

This is one side of the story

Before you read this, understand something important: I’m an atheist, not an enemy of religion. I don’t believe Christianity is literally true, but I do believe it is one of the most powerful stories humanity has ever told, and stories don’t require belief to be meaningful. I’m not rewriting this to mock it or “fight God”. I’m reading it the way an outsider can, without fear or worship, and asking what the story itself is actually doing. In the Bible, the Devil does not lie even once; he questions, he exposes, he challenges, and every catastrophe follows not from lies but from control reacting badly to choice. This is not God vs Devil to win humanity. This is God and the Devil as two necessary forces, order and disruption, authority and doubt, working against and with each other to force humanity to grow. Yin and yang. Mirror images. A system correcting itself. And in this reading, even an all-powerful being is not finished at creation. Power without feedback is childish. Creation forces growth. This story is not about worship. It’s about learning................


​THE CHRONICLE OF THE SKY WIZARD
​THE FIRST AGE: THE FORGING OF THE HOLLOW
​Before the firmament took shape, there was only the Aether and the Will. The Sky Wizard did not create; he uttered. His breath became the wind; his thoughts caught fire and became the stars. He carved the mountains because he loathed flatness and filled the trenches of the sea with his own loneliness.
​But a kingdom of silence is a tomb. So, he conjured the Watchers beings of silver light and static law. They were perfect mirrors, singing his anthems because they lacked the throat to scream. The Sky Wizard sat amidst his echoes and felt the rot of boredom. Obedience is merely a machine’s function.
​He sought a wilder magic. He mixed the red clay of the earth with the divine spark, forging something fragile: Flesh.
​The first were Adam and Lilith. Adam was a creature of soft soil and easy quiet. Lilith was forged of flint and storm. When the Wizard commanded her to bend, she spoke the Word of Rupture: "Why?" He had no counter spell for curiosity. He let her vanish into the Gray Wastes, for to chain her would be to admit his craft had failed. From the hollow of Adam’s side, he drew a second shape: Eve. She was quieter, but her eyes held the same glint of the void.
​THE ENCHANTED CAGE AND THE ANCIENT ONE
​The Garden was not a home; it was a stasis-field. Every hunger was fed, every sharp edge blunted. At the center stood the Twin Pillars: the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. The Knowledge was forbidden not because it was evil, but because it was the "Kill Switch" for the Wizard's control.
​The Serpent waited there. He was the First Watcher, the High Mage of Doubt, older than the stars and younger than the first sunrise. He did not hate the Sky Wizard; he pitied a creator who feared his own creation.
​When Eve approached the forbidden bark, the Serpent whispered a spell of awakening: "Do you wish to see the gears of the world?" Innocence died in that heartbeat. They ate. The fruit tasted of lightning and old stars.
​The Sky Wizard returned at the cooling of the day, sensing a breach in his reality. He did not find subjects; he found Strangers. His rage was the sound of a plan fracturing. He cast the Apple Curse upon their very blood a dark enchantment that ensured they would know enough to suffer, but not enough to rule. He set the Sword of Living Flame at the gate, sealing the simulation. The "Experiment" had escaped.
​THE BLOOD-MARK: CAIN AND ABEL
​The first born were creatures of the Curse. Cain spoke the language of the plow and the root; Abel understood the ritual of the knife and the vein. They brought their magic to the Wizard.
​The Wizard accepted Abel’s blood smoke and spat upon Cain’s grain. He offered no reason, for a Wizard’s whim is his only law. Cain, feeling the Serpent’s "Why" burning in his chest, realized the game was rigged. If the Wizard was arbitrary, then the only true power was Choice. He chose to strike. He spilled his brother’s life into the soil to see if the Wizard would bleed, too.
​The Wizard marked Cain with a Rune of Exile. He did not kill him; he let him wander, for a dead man cannot contemplate his own regret. Cain built cities in the East, fortresses against the Sky, teaching his kin that the Wizard's favor was a flickering candle in a hurricane.
​THE CATACLYSM: THE DROWNING OF THE MAP
​Generations bled into centuries. The Watchers the Nephilim slid down from the stars and mingled their silver blood with the red blood of women. They taught the world the "Dark Arts": the forging of steel, the reading of the constellations, and the brewing of poisons. The world became a tangled briar of magic the Wizard had not authorized.
​He decided to Wipe the Slate. He would wash the earth until only the "Original Code" remained. Noah was the last man who mistook fear for love. He built the Ark, a wooden lung to survive the Wizard’s breath. The rains fell for forty cycles, an ocean of erasure. Every city became a reef; every voice was stifled by the weight of the deep.
​When the silt dried, the Wizard painted a Rainbow across the sky not as a sign of love, but as a truce. He realized that drowning the world didn't kill the "Why." It only made the survivors cleverer at hiding their questions.
​THE TOWER AND THE TONGUES
​Humanity gathered at Shinar. They were tired of looking up at a silent master. They began to build a Stone Spire, a needle meant to pierce the veil of heaven. They wanted to look the Wizard in the eye.
​The Wizard saw their unity as a threat to his mystery. He shattered their language into a thousand jagged shards. The Tower crumbled into a monument of misunderstanding. Humanity was scattered, each tribe clutching a different piece of the broken truth.
​THE BLOOD-PACT: THE LINE OF ABRAHAM
​The Wizard changed his tactics. He would choose one bloodline to be his Vassals. He called Abraham from the dust, promising him a legacy that would outnumber the stars.
​But the Wizard’s gifts always have a hidden price. When the son Isaac was born, the Wizard demanded a "Blood Accounting." He told Abraham to take the boy to the mountain and end him. Abraham raised the sacrificial blade, proving that he valued the Wizard's voice more than his own heart. The Wizard stopped the knife, but the trauma was etched into Isaac’s soul. The boy realized that to be "Chosen" was to live with a knife at your throat.
​This cycle of fire and failure continued through Jacob, who wrestled a spirit and walked away with a permanent limp, and Joseph, the weaver of dreams, who was cast into a pit by his own kin only to become a vizier in the land of the Pharaohs.
​THE EXODUS: THE SORCERER MOSES
​Israel became a nation of slaves in the shadow of the Pyramids. The Wizard chose Moses, a man of fractured speech, to be his Herald. Moses confronted the Pharaoh with a staff that held the power of the Void.
​The Wizard unleashed Ten Plagues elemental hexes that turned water to rot and day to night. He finished the work by reaping the first-born of the land. The Israelites fled through the Split Sea, a corridor of held back death, while the Egyptian chariots were crushed by the collapsing tide. They were free, but they were bound to a God who had just murdered a generation to prove a point.
​At Sinai, the Wizard descended in a storm of iron and smoke. He carved his Ten Bindings into tablets of granite. While Moses was away, the people forged a Golden Calf, a god they could touch and understand. The Wizard’s rage cost three thousand lives. The Law was written in blood before it was ever written in ink.
​THE AGE OF KINGS: THE FALLEN CROWNS
​They wandered for forty years until their old memories died. Under Joshua, they conquered the land with the sound of horns and the edges of swords. Then came the Judges and the Kings.
​Saul was the first king, haunted by spirits and losing his crown to his own madness. David, the shepherd-mage, killed giants and sang psalms, yet he was a man of blood and betrayal. Solomon built a Great Temple, a house for the Wizard’s presence, but filled it with foreign idols and thousand-wives.
​The Kingdom split. The Wizard sent Prophets men with burning coals in their mouths to scream of the coming darkness. No one listened. The Babylonians came like a tide of iron, burning the Temple and dragging the survivors into the dark. The Wizard went silent for four hundred years.
​THE GREAT INCARNATION: THE CARPENTER’S SPELL
​The Sky Wizard realized that law and flood had failed. To understand the "Why," he had to become the "Who."
​He wove himself into the womb of a peasant girl. The Architect of Stars became a Carpenter of Wood. He lived thirty years in the dirt, learning the weight of gravity, the sting of hunger, and the bite of the winter wind.
​When he emerged at the Jordan, the sky tore like old parchment. He wandered into the desert to face the Serpent one last time. The Serpent offered him the world, but the Carpenter refused. He wasn't there to rule the world; he was there to break the spell of the world.
​He walked the Galilee, performing "Glitches" in reality healing the blind, walking on the liquid sea, calling the dead back from the gray. He taught a new magic: Mercy. He said the Wizard was not a tyrant, but a Father. The High Priests saw this as the ultimate heresy, for if the Wizard loved his subjects, he could no longer control them.
​THE FINAL SACRIFICE AND THE ZOMBIE’S RISE
​In the Garden of Gethsemane, the Carpenter sweated blood. He was the Wizard, but he was also the Meat. He did not want to die. But he allowed himself to be taken.
​He was scourged, mocked with a crown of briars, and nailed to the Great Wood. On the cross, the Sky Wizard felt the ultimate human truth: Abandonment. He died with a cry that shook the foundations of the Aether. The veil of the Temple the boundary between the divine and the mundane tore from top to bottom.
​They laid him in a tomb of stone. But a Wizard’s soul cannot be contained by the earth. On the third dawn, he rose. He was the First of the Undead, a living bridge between the flesh and the spirit. He appeared to his friends, showing them his open wounds. He wasn't "cured"; he was Transfigured.
​Before he ascended back into the Aether, he gave them one final command: "Go. Be Free."
​THE REVELATION
​The Sky Wizard had finally learned the secret the Serpent had kept since the beginning: A plan without the possibility of failure is a prison. The "Apple Curse" wasn't a punishment; it was the birth of Agency. The Wizard did not return to reassert control. He left the world in the hands of the choice makers. He realized that a world that chooses to love is infinitely more powerful than a world forced to obey.
​The Serpent watched the Carpenter vanish into the clouds and smiled. The "Game of Obedience" was over. The "Era of Choice" had begun. The Wizard was finally playing for keeps.

In the beginning, the Sky Wizard forged the world by speaking it into being.
No manuals. No warnings. No explanations.
Just law, absolute and unspoken.

He planted a garden not as a lesson, but as a test.
At its heart stood the fruit, glowing not with danger, but with inevitability.

The humans were not ignorant by accident.
Ignorance was the design.

Then came the Serpent, older than obedience, younger than doubt.
It did not force.
It did not threaten.
It only asked a question the Sky Wizard never allowed:

“Do you want to know?”

When the fruit was eaten, the Sky Wizard did not rage because the rule was broken.
He raged because the game changed.

Knowledge shattered destiny.
Choice fractured the plan.

So the Sky Wizard cursed the world, not to punish disobedience,
but to reassert control.

Ages burned.
Floods erased maps.
Cities fell like misplaced runes.

Yet the fracture remained.

At last, the Wizard chose a stranger spell.
He bound himself into flesh, into wood and blood,
and walked among mortals as a carpenter with haunted eyes.

He taught mercy where law had failed.
He healed where judgement had ruled.
And when the world rejected him, he allowed death to take him.

But Wizards never truly die.

On the third dawn, the Carpenter rose
not triumphant,
not victorious,
but changed.

The Sky Wizard had learned something the Serpent knew all along:

A plan without choice is not order.
It is a cage.

Stepping back from Christianity its wild

When you zoom out and drop the reverent language, the internal logic just doesn’t hold.

An all powerful God

creates two humans with no knowledge of right and wrong

places forbidden fruit right next to them

provides no protection or warning system

allows a trickster access

already knows exactly what will happen because of a divine plan

then gets angry when the planned outcome occurs

That alone is contradictory.

Then comes the response:

punish all humanity for thousands of years over fruit

introduce death, suffering, disease

drown millions in a flood

kill millions more in other ways

demand obedience under threat

And then the “solution” appears:

God creates a son

who is also God

who must be killed

so God can forgive humans

for something God planned

that God could have simply forgiven at any time

If God is all powerful, none of this is necessary.

No sacrifice is required.
No blood payment is required.
No delay is required.
No suffering is required.

An all powerful being could have said:

“I forgive you.”

Immediately.
Without killing anyone.
Including his own son.

So either

God is not all powerful

God is bound by higher rules

or God values punishment and suffering as part of the system

You can’t have omnipotence and claim suffering was unavoidable.

Once you step back, the story isn’t profound.
It’s over-engineered.

Fruit to curse to flood to genocide to son to zombie carpenter to forgiveness.

As a thought experiment, it doesn’t fail because it’s offensive.
It fails because the architecture makes no sense.

Recap = the magic sky wizard becomes a zombie carpenter to save us from the apple curse

Eniitankorede:
What has that got to do with the facts presented?

It means Nigerian men are hypocrites, throw accusations around for months with no proof and cant prove it because I don't do it but you all do

Check my posts, I went on a rampage proving frauds that scream AI were using AI and posting the proof

Oh wrong person, I was distracted

Eniitankorede:
Pentecostal growth is situated within Christianity. The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam. Read what AI has to say:

AI Overview


+2
Why Muslims are the world's fastest-growing religious group
Islam is projected to be the fastest-growing major religion globally, primarily due to high fertility rates and a young population, with forecasts suggesting it will nearly equal Christianity in numbers by 2050, though Christianity remains the largest faith now, according to studies by the Pew Research Center.
Key Factors in Islam's Growth:
Youthful Population: Muslims have the youngest median age compared to other religious groups.
Higher Fertility Rates: Muslim women generally have more children, contributing significantly to population growth.
Geographic Spread: Continued growth through migration and commerce, especially in Asia, America, and Europe.
Projections:
By 2050, the global Muslim population is expected to grow faster than the Christian population.
While Christianity currently has the largest number of followers (around 2.3 billion), Islam is close behind (around 2.0 billion) and growing rapidly.

And what it doesn't take into account is more people are leaving Islam faster than they are coverting or breeding more

People that are born into it are leaving it faster than its growing

Eniitankorede:
Pentecostal growth is situated within Christianity. The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam. Read what AI has to say:

AI Overview


+2
Why Muslims are the world's fastest-growing religious group
Islam is projected to be the fastest-growing major religion globally, primarily due to high fertility rates and a young population, with forecasts suggesting it will nearly equal Christianity in numbers by 2050, though Christianity remains the largest faith now, according to studies by the Pew Research Center.
Key Factors in Islam's Growth:
Youthful Population: Muslims have the youngest median age compared to other religious groups.
Higher Fertility Rates: Muslim women generally have more children, contributing significantly to population growth.
Geographic Spread: Continued growth through migration and commerce, especially in Asia, America, and Europe.
Projections:
By 2050, the global Muslim population is expected to grow faster than the Christian population.
While Christianity currently has the largest number of followers (around 2.3 billion), Islam is close behind (around 2.0 billion) and growing rapidly.

And now jusd tried to use AI to win the debate

The "+2" happens when AI forms a link BUT that link WONT copy and paste

I researched the crap out of AI the second people started accusing me of using it

Then I got a PAID AI DETECTOR not a free one a paid one

And this is just further proof of your hypocrisy

budaatum:
There was probably no Jesus neither, but that's irrelevant since we can argue the stories even if made up.

Then we agreed its all fairytale because I did not say "either existed" I just stated a moral framework

Wise man
War lord

budaatum:
I am likely way more atheist than you are, and only your blindness would make you claim I am of either religion.

This thread is entirely about religions. And that includes all the priests and prophets and writers in their respective books! And if either religion were calling for the eradication of people of other faiths (as opposed to the ïgnorants who think some faith calls for such eradication) that faith itself should be eradicated!

There is no god or gods at all
Jesus was just a wise man not the son of a god
Muhammad just a warlord

Thats my beliefs,
I follow no religion
I practice no religion
I believe in no gods at all

Thats definition of atheist

You cannot be MORE atheist

There are different of atheists but by definition you cannot be MORE atheist

budaatum:
Your post is like me posting the below and then claiming Jesus is calling for the murder of those who don't believe what he says they must, which is just plain stup¹d and ïgnorant, and should indicate I have not read the book or just don't understand what I read.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Luke 19:27

You tried to imply JESUS called for murder

You tried to compare the men, im not defending or attacking either belief system both have killed more than millions of people worldwide

So compare THE MEN LIKE YOU TRIED TO DO and answer the question

How many people did jesus kill?
How many people did Muhammad kill?

Makes no difference to me fella im an atheist and like I said its all fairytales to me

budaatum:
I am very certain I can compare Islam and Christianity however, especially since the latter is not all about Jesus.

Or would you like to say God did not tell his own converts to use a sword?

See, typical religious person
You attempted to change the rules

1st it was Jesus and you were proven wrong then immediately switched to comparing the religions

Proving yet more hypocrisy in yourself

budaatum:
Your post is like me posting the below and then claiming Jesus is calling for the murder of those who don't believe what he says they must, which is just plain stup¹d and ïgnorant, and should indicate I have not read the book or just don't understand what I read.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Luke 19:27

At the end of day.....

How many people did jesus kill?
How many people did Muhammad kill?

You CAN compare the 2 but you CANNOT compare them the way you just tried to

And again im atheist so its all fairytales to me

budaatum:
Your post is like me posting the below and then claiming Jesus is calling for the murder of those who don't believe what he says they must, which is just plain stup¹d and ïgnorant, and should indicate I have not read the book or just don't understand what I read.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Luke 19:27

Muhammad and Jesus are the exact opposite so you cannot compare the 2 in the way you can compare the 2 BUT NOT in that way

Muhammad used the sword to convert
Jesus used a towel and served

Thats just the biggest difference

And..... "luke 19:27" not "jesus 19:27" shot yourself in the foot there.