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budaatum:
Now be true to yourself and post verses from the Quran that tell you not to be hostile to those of other faiths. You do know they exist, right?

I have added the next verse to your Quran 60:8, in case you can be honest and not lie.

Im atheist and European that lives in Nigeria
Norwegian specifically BUT ex British royal marine

That fought in Afghanistan and many many more places. I know your quran fella I was forced to read as much as I could tolerate day 1 and to be honest I could NOT tolerate much of it

budaatum:
It is a great pity that your own religion, which is obviously not Christianity, did not make you resist posting hatred against your religious neighbours.

On claims of “peace”, friendship, and hypocrisy (texts only, no insults)

You posted the following idea:
that a religion should make its followers resist posting hostility toward religious neighbours.

So let’s examine this textually, the same way contradictions are examined elsewhere.
No abuse. No emotions. Just sources and consistency.

What the Quran says about friendship and alliance

Quran 5:51

O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians as awliya (allies / close friends / protectors). They are allies of one another. Whoever among you takes them as allies is surely one of them.

This verse explicitly restricts close alliance / loyalty with Christians and Jews.

Quran 3:28

Let not the believers take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Whoever does that has nothing to do with Allah…

Again, religious loyalty is exclusive, not universal.

Quran 58:22

You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, sons, brothers, or relatives.

Here, faith loyalty overrides family, friendship, and social bonds.

What is allowed

Quran 60:8

Allah does not forbid you from being kind and just to those who do not fight you because of religion nor expel you from your homes…

This permits:

basic kindness

fairness

civil coexistence

It does not command close friendship, alliance, or shared loyalty.

Kindness ≠ alliance.

Non Muslims under Islamic rule

Quran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah… among the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.

This establishes:

conditional tolerance

taxation (jizya)

political subordination

Again, this is hierarchical coexistence, not equal friendship.

Plain conclusion

From the Quran itself:

Close alliance with non Muslims is restricted

Loyalty is religiously exclusive

Peaceful coexistence is conditional

Non Muslims live under different status within Islamic governance

So claims like “religion of peace” or “automatic friendship with all neighbours” are slogans, not textual descriptions.

Quoting primary religious texts is not hatred.
Applying the same standard of scrutiny across religions is not hypocrisy.

SIRTee15:
The question is for those who believe Quran is the verbatim word of God to defend the claim with evidence.

If u don't believe in the Quran, why are u responding.

It's like asking teenagers who have menstrual cramps to discuss their experience and a boy is coming forward. What exactly does he have to say!!!!!

You made an objective claim and invited verification.
Verification is not restricted to believers.
If your method only works when outsiders are excluded, it isn’t a method.

SIRTee15:
The question is for those who believe Quran is the verbatim word of God to defend the claim with evidence.

If u don't believe in the Quran, why are u responding.

It's like asking teenagers who have menstrual cramps to discuss their experience and a boy is coming forward. What exactly does he have to say!!!!!

Typical religious person changing the rules and definition.

No, fella what you did was say "lets find out"

And "lets find out = the word VERIFY"

VERY VERY SIMPLE LANGUAGE TO PROVE IT

"My mate John said he got a new car, LETS GO FIND OUT if he did"

Lets find out = verify thats an open invitation for anyone to debate you

SIRTee15:
I didn't quite u so allow the person I quoted to answer the question. Don't drink panadal for another's man headache.

They are the ones that said Quran is the verbatim word of God- the all knowing and all wise.
So let's check if the claim can be backed by evidence.

This is a forum and is for debate, you cannot limit who replies to your claim.

The second you post anything its open for debate BY ANYONE.

SIRTee15:
Since u are not ready to engage in the truth but prefers to deal with irrelevance such as numbers of adherents, let's deal with numbers in the Quran.

IS QURAN THE WORD OF GOD? LET'S FIND OUT.

There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations.

How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?

Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated

Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 2 (for heavens) = 4 days; and not 6 days.

So how long did it take Allah to create heaven and earth? Eniitankorede tell us.

"in Six Days

Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days"

Fella, really? You used the word verify? Thats an oxymoron! Literally all religions on the planet ARE UNFALSEAFIABLE not 1 thing about any religion on earth can be VARIFIED even my athiestic beliefs are UNFALSEAFIABLE.

😂😂 damn that was hilarious this fella really said "lets verify a god" 😂😂 hilarious thats the same as saying "lets measure infinity with a ruler" 😂😂

You just made my day and made me laugh like a lunatic

The moment you say "lets find out" you are demanding verification so picking any of the verses you quoted NONE can be verified at all ever. Not one of them. You cannot ask the god no one can for any religion and those people that "god spoke to me" = personal experience and also cannot be verified.

Lets find out = verification = impossible = all you can do is read it and decide if YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

SIRTee15:
Since u are not ready to engage in the truth but prefers to deal with irrelevance such as numbers of adherents, let's deal with numbers in the Quran.

IS QURAN THE WORD OF GOD? LET'S FIND OUT.

There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations.

How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?

Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated

Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 2 (for heavens) = 4 days; and not 6 days.

So how long did it take Allah to create heaven and earth? Eniitankorede tell us.

Im atheist fella, and if you want to play the contradiction game ALL religions are the same in that area and ALL religions have the same fatal flaw

The game is rigged, name 1 religion on earth where the god tells everyone the RULES TO HIS GAME DIRECTLY?

All religions are a cosmic game of Chinese whispers.

McDoe:
Hmmm, what kind of culture that prides woman over men in terms of dowry? Na waaaoo

What kind of cultures have a 25% rape level towards all women under 18 like Nigeria? What cultures lie about acts like prostration, kneeling and what to wear?

Stop being hypocrites and look at yourself first.
You can talk all high and mighty but worse things happen to INNOCENT women and children in Nigeria

Proof I’m Not a Hypocrite: I’ll Attack My Own Culture Too (Norwegian Edition)

Let’s stop pretending again.

Norwegians love to present ourselves as calm, fair, egalitarian, logical, and “non-dramatic.” We market the culture as relaxed, honest, and respectful of personal freedom.

Some of that is true.

A lot of it is also mythology we repeat so often that we stop checking ourselves.

So let’s do the same audit I just did elsewhere. Same rules. Same bluntness. No emotion. Just logic.

Norwegian Culture Is Quietly Hypocritical in Specific Ways

Norwegian hypocrisy is not loud.
It doesn’t shout.
It doesn’t drum.
It doesn’t threaten.

It whispers, excludes, and judges silently.

That doesn’t make it better. It just makes it harder to see.

“We Are Equal” … But Only If You Behave Correctly

Norway prides itself on equality. Flat hierarchy. No one is better than anyone else.

Reality?

Equality in Norway is conditional conformity.

You are equal as long as you:
don’t stand out too much
don’t talk too loudly
don’t question social norms
don’t succeed too visibly
don’t fail too visibly

This is Janteloven in practice.

Not written law.
Social law.

You can be different, but not too different.
You can be successful, but don’t show it.
You can be struggling, but don’t burden others with it.

That’s hypocrisy. We preach freedom, but enforce sameness.

Emotional Repression Marketed as “Maturity”

Norwegians love to say:
“We don’t do drama.”
“We are emotionally mature.”
“We handle things calmly.”

What that often really means:

feelings are suppressed, not processed
conflict is avoided, not resolved
silence is used instead of honesty

People don’t argue.
They disappear.

Friendships end without explanation.
Relationships end with “it just didn’t work.”
Problems are buried under politeness.

That’s not emotional intelligence.
That’s conflict avoidance dressed as virtue.

Community Talk, Individual Reality

Norway likes to talk about community, welfare, and social responsibility.

But socially?

People are extremely private and distant.

Neighbours don’t know each other.
People don’t intervene.
Loneliness is high.
Mental health issues are widespread.

We rely on the state to replace community.

That works on paper.
It does not replace human connection.

We criticise “warm cultures” as chaotic, yet many Norwegians live isolated lives and call it independence.

That’s another contradiction.

Moral Superiority Without Engagement

Norwegians often see ourselves as:
morally advanced
progressive
“past tradition”

But this creates a new hypocrisy:

We judge other cultures heavily while rarely examining our own failures with the same intensity.

We criticise:
patriarchy elsewhere
family pressure elsewhere
social control elsewhere

But ignore:
silent social exclusion at home
high substance abuse
youth loneliness
suicide rates
quiet class barriers

Silence is not innocence.

Parenting Ideals vs Reality

Norwegian parenting ideology is famous.

Children’s rights.
Gentle parenting.
Listening to the child.

In practice?

Many children are emotionally autonomous too early.

They are taught independence before emotional resilience.
Parents outsource discipline and values to institutions.
Boundaries are often unclear.

This produces adults who:
struggle with intimacy
avoid confrontation
fear emotional dependence

Again, not evil. But not perfect either.

Now the Crucial Difference (This Matters)

Here’s where Norway is fundamentally different from what I criticise elsewhere.

Norwegians do not force culture on outsiders.

If you come to Norway:
nobody forces you to kneel
nobody forces rituals
nobody demands symbolic submission
nobody claims ownership over your marriage
nobody insists “this is how we do it or else”

You may be judged silently.
You may be excluded socially.
You may feel coldness.

But you will not be coerced.

That distinction matters.

Norwegian Culture Is Passive, Not Coercive

Norwegian hypocrisy operates through:
social pressure
quiet judgment
exclusion
norms

Not through:
intimidation
ritual humiliation
financial extraction
family enforcement

That doesn’t make Norway morally superior.

It makes it less intrusive.

You can opt out.

And That’s the Point

I am not attacking cultures because they are “African” or “foreign.”

I am attacking hypocrisy.

Norwegian culture has it.
Just a different flavour.

We pretend neutrality while enforcing norms.
We preach equality while policing difference.
We praise openness while avoiding honesty.

The difference is simple:

Norwegian culture will judge you quietly.
It will not force you to perform it.

Final Thought

No culture is clean.
No tradition is perfect.
Every society edits its own story.

Calling that out is not hatred.
It’s consistency.

If I criticise selective tradition elsewhere, I must also admit selective virtue at home.

That’s not hypocrisy.

That’s applying the same standard everywhere.

​The Yoruba Marriage Paradox: Amnesia with Entitlement and the Customary Theater
​Let’s stop dancing around the numbers. Nigeria’s population is roughly Hausa - 30%, Yoruba - 15%, Igbo - 15%, and 300+ other tribes - 40%. Despite only making up 15% of the country, Nigerian dating apps are absolutely FLOODED with Yoruba profiles. This is not a coincidence; it is a "Nairaland reality check." It is observable data that demands an explanation. If Yoruba culture is as "humble and respectful" as the propaganda suggests, why are so many "proudly Yoruba" adults looking for love everywhere except where their culture actually operates?
​This is the Cultural Contradiction. There is a massive gulf between the "Polite/Humble" image projected to the world and the reality of endless "Talking Stages" and a total lack of commitment. In the majority, Yoruba adults date freely, have sex freely, and have children freely. But the moment structure or marriage is mentioned, the couple’s autonomy vanishes. It is surrendered to a family jurisdiction that hits men like a hammer and treats women like they have no history.
​The Historical Audit: Prostration is a Receipt, Not a Gift
​To understand the current mess, we must look at the "Bundle" concept. In true tradition, prostration and bride price were not isolated demands; they were receipts for a specific "product." That product was a combination of upbringing, protection, and character (Ìwà).
​Historically, the bride’s family was obligated to protect their daughter from sexual exploitation and supervise her movements. As noted in The Sociology of the Yoruba by J.S. Eades (1980): "The payment of the bridewealth and the formal acts of submission by the groom's family were conditional upon the 'omoluabi' status of the bride, signifying she had been raised under strict moral supervision and family discipline."
​When a family demands a man lie flat on his stomach today, they are claiming they delivered that bundle. But in reality, they have often delivered 0% of the obligation while demanding 100% of the traditional performance.
​The "Yoruba Logic" of Selective Tradition
​There is a specific "Yoruba logic" currently operating that defies common sense. A woman can have 20 children with 20 different men and have slept with 1,000,000 more without ever being married, yet her family will claim they raised a "traditional daughter." Then, later, they expect a good man to come, beg, pay them, and prostrate on his stomach to "ease their lives" while he takes on the responsibility of raising another man’s children.
​They call this being a "good, traditional, humble, and respectful family." It is not. It is Amnesia with Entitlement. It is the rejection of all traditional obligations like purity, supervision, and character while resurrecting "culture" only when it is time to extract money and submission from a man.
​The Legal Reality: Customary Theater and the Foreigner’s Trap
​Nigerians hate hearing this because it kills the magic, but Customary Law has absolutely no legal power UNLESS a couple freely chooses it AND only after the traditional wedding is already done. Customary law is intended for internal issues like disputes over bride price or the return of items after a separation. It NEVER overrides Federal Law.
​For a non Nigerian, the situation is even more stark. No matter your nationality, a traditional wedding is NEVER VALID. You can prostrate, you can pay the "list," and you can smile for the photos, but after the "Customary Theater" is over, you are not married. She is not your wife in any legal form. There are no documents. It is a tribal performance that is only recognized for Nigerians in Nigeria because of the potential for polygamy. For a foreigner, it is a legal nullity. If a system needs emotional blackmail and "coercion with drums" instead of law, it is not tradition; it is a social intimidation room.
​The Breakdown of Safety: Rape and Molestation Statistics
​While the culture shouts about "respect," the academic data on the ground shows a failure to protect the very people the tradition claims to value. Studies on "polyandrous motherhood" in Lagos document women having children for multiple men without marriage, creating a cycle of instability.
​Regarding safety, the statistics in Yoruba-dominated states are harrowing. According to the Nigerian Journal of Sociology and Anthropology (Vol 18, 2020): "Data from the Southwest geopolitical zone indicates that Yoruba states frequently report some of the highest incidents of domestic sexual violence and child molestation, often exacerbated by the 'asiri' (secret) culture where families suppress reports to protect traditional standing." Furthermore, the Lagos State Domestic and Sexual Violence Agency (DSVA) Annual Report consistently shows that thousands of cases are reported annually, proving that the "traditional protection" families claim to provide during wedding negotiations is often non-existent in reality.
​When Tradition Breaks Federal Law: High Profile Consequences
​When "tradition" crosses the line into criminal intimidation, the Federal Law steps in. While many families beg for mercy once they are in a cell, the records are clear:
​The Bauchi Arraignment (2011): In the case of Commissioner of Police v. Babaji Abubakar Dull, the bride’s uncle was arrested and arraigned in Chief Magistrate’s Court 8 for attempting to force a marriage without consent. This proves the police will arrest family members when "tradition" becomes coercion.
​The Lagos Wedding Disruptions: In cases where families have tried to stop weddings because a groom refused to prostrate or pay "traditional fees," the Lagos State Police Command has intervened. Under Section 41 of the Marriage Act, anyone who "endeavours to prevent a marriage by any pretence that his consent is required" is guilty of a crime.
​Contempt of Court: In high-profile Lagos cases, grooms have obtained High Court injunctions against "Olori Ebis" (Family Heads). When these family heads tried to force rituals against the couple's will, they were threatened with immediate imprisonment for contempt. The law does not recognize your right to force a man onto his stomach.
​The Final Diagnosis
​The current system is a "Contradiction Factory." It produces avoidance, sexual freedom without structure, and moral lectures with selective memory.
​The final diagnosis is simple: Amnesia with Entitlement. It is the demand for 100% of the man’s traditional performance the prostration, the money, the "seriousness" while delivering 0% of the family’s traditional obligations. If the girl was not protected, not supervised, and not raised with real Omoluabi character, the family has no right to demand the rituals of a bygone era.
​You cannot have a modern sexual lifestyle and a traditional extraction process. Choose one. Until then, the dating apps will remain flooded with people trying to escape the very culture they claim to represent.

Eniitankorede:
Your statements confirm you are in delusion. American soldiers who went to Afghanistan are turning to Islam. The ones in Saudi are reverting. Here in the west majority of reverts are into Islam. And you are here making empty brags.

That shows how uneducated you are. Watch that video i sent you. What your book says about your race and its not me saying it your own book says it
And im not American so why would I care?

Black people dont go heaven in the quran.

[quote author=Eniitankorede post=138210507]All your sources which you derive your knowledge from have been corrupted. Yet you confidently tell me with your corrupted knowledge that I speak nonsense! Your eyes will soon clear. [/quote

Thought you might like this fella 😀



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehX_8hhnn8?si=wDcQ2R6GU1XUWjmA

Eniitankorede:
You are in a state of self imposed delusion. Who is your child? When were you borne? You better go and take your medication.

Hey fella, this will drive you nuts, you are a certain belief system that i cant type or I get banned but im Norwegian and ex British royal Marine "MOS 11B Åberg".

Fought in Afghanistan, iraq, iran and worse. Guess which beliefs system i was at war with?

The one you are defending, the one that always becomes a failed state, the one that will never be successful

The one people are leaving faster than they can breed and convert them.

Patience it won't be around forever its on the decline already.

Eniitankorede:
You are in a state of self imposed delusion. Who is your child? When were you borne? You better go and take your medication.

You ask when I was born and who my child is, as if age and lineage decide truth.

That tells me something important about you.

My culture is older than your certainty.
Older than your church.
Older than the idea that shouting makes a thing holy.

In the old Northern way, wisdom is not proven by noise or insults.
It is proven by endurance, restraint, and memory.

We do not scream belief.
We test it.

Odin did not gain wisdom by calling others mad.
He gave an eye for knowledge and learned silence before speech.

If something challenges you and your first response is to insult mental health instead of addressing the idea, then the problem is not the speaker.

It is that your belief cannot stand unexamined.

In the North we say:
"A man who must shout that he is right is already afraid that he is not."

So keep your certainty.
I’ll keep my questions.

They’ve survived longer.

Let’s stop pretending.
When people shout
“Omenala! Igbo tradition! Do full Igba Nkwu! Respect our culture!”
they almost always list what the groom must do.
Bride price.
Drinks.
Palm wine.
Cash.
Crates.
Levies.
Extra charges that mysteriously appear on the day.
"Kneeling for blessing " the Prostration equivalents disguised as “respect”.
What they almost never list is what the bride’s family was traditionally expected to do to earn any of that.
Because real Igbo tradition was never one sided.
If the groom does X, Y, Z
the bride’s family must also have done A, B, C.
You cannot demand one half and quietly delete the other.
That is not culture.
That is selective memory.

Virginity was not vibes. It was lineage and accountability.
In old Igbo society, virginity was not romantic talk or church decoration.
It was lineage certainty and family honour.
And here is the part people keep dodging.
The shame of non virginity was not aimed mainly at the woman.
It was aimed at her parents.
Igbo logic was brutal and clear.
If a daughter was found not to be a virgin at marriage:
bride price could be returned fully or partially
palm wine already accepted could be rejected
marriage could be paused, renegotiated, or cancelled
the family lost standing
the parents were judged as having failed in upbringing
There was no pretending.
No “everyone is doing it now.”
No social media excuses.
The message was simple.
If you claim moral purity, you must prove moral discipline.
So if a family abandons supervision, ignores behaviour, allows anything to slide, then suddenly shouts “omenala” on wedding day…
That is not tradition.
That is opportunism.

Character came before beauty.
Traditional Igbo marriage respected ezigbo agwa.
Character.
Home training.
Self control.
Stability.
The groom’s family was not paying because a girl was fine.
They were acknowledging years of discipline.
Meaning the bride’s family was expected to:
raise her with restraint
teach respect and responsibility
train her to live peacefully in another home
correct bad behaviour early
not outsource parenting to chance
If the woman cannot resolve conflict without chaos
cannot accept correction
cannot manage responsibility
cannot coexist without drama
Then the parents did not complete their assignment.
So again the question becomes uncomfortable.
What exactly are we paying for
if character was never built?

Protection and supervision were duties. Not suggestions.
Old Igbo systems were structured.
courtship was known
suitors were monitored
families were involved early
intermediaries existed
accountability existed
A man who slept with an unbetrothed woman did not just vanish.
There were consequences.
Today?
Many families:
don’t supervise
don’t protect
don’t question obvious nonsense
don’t believe daughters when harm happens
push girls out early to “hustle”
tolerate exploitation quietly
Then suddenly become cultural extremists when Igba Nkwu money appears.
You cannot abandon protection
then resurrect tradition only when payment enters the room.

The bride was supposed to be equipped by her people.
Traditionally, the bride’s family sent her off prepared.
cooking tools
clothing
household items
proof she was ready for married life
It was a statement.
“We raised her. We prepared her. She is not coming empty.”
Now look at many modern Igbo lists.
fridge
freezer
gas cooker
generator
furniture
electronics
full house setup
All dumped on the groom.
Meanwhile the bride’s family arrives with matching outfits, photographers, and entitlement.
Let’s be honest.
Tradition means both sides invest.
Extortion means one side funds everyone.
Pick one.

Bride price was symbolic. Not ransom.
Historically, Igbo bride price was moderate.
Token.
Sometimes returned.
The message was clear.
“We are not selling our daughter.”
Modern reality?
Inflated lists
multiple levies
surprise charges
“we trained her” fees
endless additions
Here is the truth people don’t want to hear.
If you truly trained her
it will show in her behaviour.
You won’t need to prove it with a shopping list.
Overpricing often covers poor upbringing.

Support did not end after payment.
In real Igbo tradition, the bride’s family did not:
collect money
disappear
become untouchable
They continued to:
advise
mediate
correct their own daughter when necessary
support peace in the marriage
Today?
Many families:
interfere only when it benefits them
vanish during real problems
side their daughter blindly even when she is wrong
still demand respect and money
That is not tradition.
That is extraction.

So let’s strip this down to the bone.
This is not an attack on Igbo culture.
It is a rejection of edited Igbo culture.
You cannot demand:
heavy bride price
full Igba Nkwu performance
endless levies
maximum respect
when you did not provide:
supervision
protection
discipline
character training
proper preparation
ongoing accountability
If those duties were abandoned, be honest.
You are practicing modern life
with selective tradition added for money and ego.
That is your choice.
Just stop lying about it.

Final questions.
Can a family that did not uphold traditional Igbo responsibilities still demand full Igba Nkwu payments with a straight face?
Isn’t it obvious that what many people call “Igbo tradition” today is a heavily edited version focused almost entirely on what the man must pay?
If submission is demanded from the woman
and performance is demanded from the man
where is the matching accountability from the bride’s family?
No insults.
No tribal bashing.
Just logic.

RickyJesus:
You are correct about the culture but very delusional on that been the reason,+.

Pot calling kettle black

You calll yourselves "traditional" thats delusional

And im slowly pointing it out "culture of fraud topic" done the most fraudulent and delusional already

Igbo is next then slowly the other 369 in the same topic

So im not accused of "attacking tribes" im going to point out the fraud in all tribes slowly

Next igbo so bare with me, this will be good 😊

sonofthunder:
How many hours of training? Any evaluation program after?

Never heard of them flunking tests and practical training. Even those that look young on the job usually look unfit.

I cant remember to be honest. i just know its like a few hundred hours more than the uk.

Eniitankorede:
Nobody can take you out of your ignorance except Satan that bound you in it.

Small correction for people confidently wrong about their own religion.

In early Hebrew thought and the original Old Testament context, “Satan” was NOT a red horned demon or the embodiment of evil. That idea is medieval fan-fiction that came much later.

Originally, the concept was split into three very different meanings:

1) Ha-Satan = The Divine Prosecutor
In the Hebrew Bible, ha-satan literally means “the adversary” or “the accuser”.
It was a job title, not a name.

Ha-Satan was part of God’s heavenly court. Think prosecuting lawyer, not rebel angel.
His role was to test humans and report back to God.

Classic example is the Book of Job.
He doesn’t oppose God. He works for God.

No horns. No rebellion. No war in heaven.

2) Yetzer Hara = The Internal Impulse
In Jewish theology, evil was never originally a monster outside you.

It was Yetzer Hara, meaning the evil inclination.
Greed. Pride. Ego. Lust. Selfishness.

So “resisting Satan” originally meant mastering yourself, not fighting an external demon.

The battlefield was the human mind, not hell.

3) Satan as a Human Adversary
The word satan was also used for human opponents.

If someone blocked your path, opposed your mission, or worked against you, they were a “satan”. Just an adversary. Nothing supernatural.

Even in the New Testament, Jesus calls Apostle Peter “Satan” when Peter tried to stop him.
Obviously Peter didn’t sprout horns. He was just acting as a temporary obstacle.

So summary, very simple:

Satan was originally:
a role (divine prosecutor)
a psychological impulse (human selfishness)
or a human opponent

The red horned fire demon is a much later medieval invention, heavily influenced by Greek mythology and European folklore.

If you’re going to argue religion, at least argue the original text, not cartoons and church posters.

That’s it.

Eniitankorede:
Nobody can take you out of your ignorance except Satan that bound you in it.

See another sign of your ignorance satan was never a part of Christianity

It was 3 separate concepts that were merged into 1 later

Religion is a joke in this country, you spit out nonsense but dont bother to learn the truth the same issue with your tribes and culture

Its all modern interpretation and none of it is the real deal. You are all frauds and nothing more.

Eniitankorede:
So I have to read Greek? Was Jesus Greek speaking or Hebrew speaking? You are confused.

Go back and read it you child and go check my other posts ive typed out the Hebrew AND Greek this shows your true ignorance because you clearly dont know the history of your religion just like your petty culture

[quote author=bahdlex post=138205787][/quote]Kobojunkie why are you sharing crap with me? The opinion of frauds means nothing to me.

femi4:
Abortion is legal over there

No, fella its illegal you cannot legally get an abortion based on THE GENDER of the child not in the uk

But the uk has gone to hell in a hand basket

made4naijamusic:
A young boy’s police phobia has got him arrested in Lagos.

According to reports, the 13 years old boy, who is the head boy of his school, was fetching water from a well in front of their house, today, when he sighted some riot policemen at Itafaji, Lagos Island.

However, due to his phobia for the police, he ran inside and that was his offense, as the officers who were called in to intervene in an ongoing riot in the area, went inside the house and arrested him.

According to them, he is part of the rioters and that was why he fled. All attempts by residents to make the officers realise that the boy is underage, fell on deaf ears, as they went away with him and his mom

Watch video

source :

https://www.made4naija.com/2018/09/13-yr-old-head-boy-arrested-over-his-phobia-for-the-police/

I know this is old but I need clarification? Was it homophobia? Or something? Did he think the police would bum or something since being gay is illegal here?

How can you arrested a child for being scared? What kind of people are they? Back home if a child is clearly scared its the police duty to calm him not arrest him.

The corruption here is unreal. And just plain cruelty and you are "good traditional people"?

Iamblessed88:
Why isn’t it illegal to do this

In the uk it is illegal
Its illegal in Nigeria too

That crap about "bride price not paid = child belongs to the mothers family"

Nonsense thats kidnapping and yet you believe it. If the father called the police the mothers family is screwed culture is not law.

You justify it. yet you complain when other cultures do similar? Nigerians are hypocrites.

Eniitankorede:
You are complete ignorant of how people are referred according to their genealogy. Even your bible contains such description of people. You are ignorant about little things. Mary is a progeny of Al Imran.

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus referred to himself as the son of David. Now tell me, did David directly bear Jesus? You will continue to remain in ignorance and darkness by refusing to read and make research.

Until you read the original greek and Hebrew you are both wrong so stop bickering over translations of translations

You do the same crap over your cultures none of it is traditional just modern interpretations like
the current form of the bible

And you fella just shot yourself in the foot screaming ignorance when you will never get off your backside and learn to read the original forms

Fenrir:
Do Christians practice child marriage?

But ALL Nigerian tribes did until us Europeans forced you to stop, though it still happens unofficially in the North

Dtruthspeaker:
No. They don't

Hey im atheist fella and just proving YOUR point