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dalaman:
I am not lying, the thread is still there. You accepted the challenge but you tried to water it down. You said the man will only predict the winner of the presidential elections before you threw the challenge to the other guy.



Ghostofsparta is not a serious person, he is a liar for all I care. I don't have to come back anywhere, I can set up a very clear cut challenge like the previous one that doesn't require me coming down to Nigeria. Tell me what kind of consultation your Ifa does and I will set up a very clear cut challenge and hand it over to you, a challenge that the outcome can not be disputed.

lol

Do you have any problem you want to see into? Pls I WANT A SERIOUS LIFE MATTER and not a cooked up story.

Let me have your real name, maiden name and little details about yourself. Details should surround the problem and how you came into it or how you rope into it.

I am not involved in consultation on behalf of people but I will do that now because of you.

Deal?

dalaman:
Will you keep quite. I gave you a very simple task to perform the other time and you ran away together with your man ghostofsparta. Yet you have the audacity to mention my name in your baseless talk. I gave you a very clear task to perform which you try to water it down, you claimed you needed permission from the other guy, the guy came, refused to take the very clear cut challenge and opted for something else, i accepted and he ran away. You guys aren't serious, I don't need to come to Nigeria, I can give you very clear cut challenge that others do, if your juju or African science is real then we can test it with very simple task. If I set up another challenge , you will still run away. Yet you wonder why no body takes you seriously.

You challenged me and I accepted ba? Stop lying na.

Ghostofsparta created Oogun discussion on this said thread. He raised a challenge before I came in which to me appears like I am taking up his challenge. To this, I asked for his permission and his reply was something like he doesnt want me to pick the challenge on his behalf. The last time we discussed this and promised to reach him, his number is not going through, he is on whatsapp now for the past 3months. Na where you won make I look for him go again?

Oga, you cant sit your ass abroad and expect me to prove something down home. You will need to experience things first-hand. Who are those that aint taking me serious? I have taken more than dozen of skeptics here for Ifa consultaion. I wont mention their names here though. They dont sit their asss in abroad or home and ask me to consult baba on their behalf. If you need to experience it, come back to the root and see for yourself

9jacrip:
Lol! Mehn e funny o

Your definition is brilliant sir but I meant what oogun you wanted to experiment with is. Is it ayeta, agbelepota, madaarikan?

'Spiritual device' for 'bending natural laws, time and space'. This captures oogun description properly. Apart from bend, can we add activate dormant or latent natural laws?

I choosed Ayeta back then. The agreement was that bullet will not penetrate into the skin. Na mazaje we dey look for till date wey we no see.

I am think Okigbe will do it. Lesser cost, very easy to get and I can use cutlass unlike gun which put law against us. Skeptics here are manipulative. They interpreted Osanyin as a ventroliquize machine. So I think Okigbe will clear doubts

Activating a natural law without following natural process but backdoor is bending. Example is Kanako which can make distance of 10KM walked on foot within 5min. This Oogun bends time and space and every natural laws by jumping off natural processess.

9jacrip:
2009 is a long time o and none of them don ever turn up. It goes to show a part of them believe it is real or they are scared.

I hope they do not find themselves in a position where they would become victims.

I'd be looking forward to the video, want to tell me what the oogun is? If not, I'll understand.

Mazaje promised he will come up for it in 2009, na on top that tory we dey till now.

There is a guy called Logicboy, he was the knight of atheism here as he claimed. He openly disclosed that he was scared for fits like this.

The rest be Ajekara wey be say na only mouth dem get.

How can one define Oogun with English words? Errrrm, it is a spiritual device used for manipulation and bending of natural law, time and space. I see though as a practical physics which is beyond or not explainable with scientific laws

9jacrip:
Not where I live, I meant my family compound. It is often regarded as one of the core places of oogun origins in Ife (not sure how true) but oogun is like the air they breathe in that place. LOL.

I hope it gets tried on the skeptics so they can have a first hand experience and shut up.

No one is ready to voluntare. Not even wiegraf and johnnydon22. Na so so mouth we get here.

Dalaman sits in faraway country and wants to confirm oogun. He is unserious type. I have engage lot of skeptics since 2009 but no one is ready for the show.

If I can pin point an Oogun that cannot be flag down as trick, I will make a video and upload here.

dalaman:
They've come again. Please can you give your ogun or what ever to the people living in the north to use against boko haram?

Lol

I dont have a friend who is in NA. But those ones in NPF get Oogun . Those guys in black fight spiritual warfare on the physical plain. You might choose not to believe that.

9jacrip:
Experienced.
I come from a place where oogun is like nokia torchlight, even kids youmger than 15 can do one or two things.

wow.

You live in the hood where ewe ti n je fun ogun and not for vegetable.

All those things you listed up there can easily be flagged down as staged and tricks by skeptics. I am working to get Ogun covered on video which will convince lots that Ikanbe

9jacrip:
The emboldened is real.
You're aware some people could get hit by a ring and they could start eating sand, chewing grass, running non stop, pooping themselves, drooling like an imbec!le on the spot at the minute of contact?

Likewise, there's an ase so powerful that it picks up instantly. For example, the type of ase isoro chiefs hold durinf festivals in Ife are so potent that people around them are advised not to curse at all.

Yes, Karma can be averted if a person corrects the wrong deed through a rewind process of whatevever they did or spiritually through etutu, ebo riru, ebe awon agba etc although, I do not think all karma can be averted.

theunusualmoon, I hope you are reading this?

@ the bold, did you experience it firsthand abi you hear say dem say abi na Fadeyi Oloro you saw performing it in movie?

I have experienced Ogun firsthand on several occassions, I am not just convinced that what they are doing is not tricks.

Falana is a Yoruba man, he and his tribemen do not support thieves like some of my guys from the east

dalaman:
You are just incorrigible. I gave you a direct quote from the OP and you are still talking thrash as usual.

Here it is once again.



There it is in black and white, quite lying please. The OP has defined what Karma is and went ahead to give examples of what he is saying. I do not have time for your opinion that has nothing to do with the topic the OP is discussing.



Very lame, many parents disown their kids, curse them and kill them. To deny that reality is to not know what you are saying.




Will you quit this foolishness of yours, who are you to tell me the definition of cursing? Are you in every parents mind to know that when they curse their kids they are scolding them? Quit this foolishness please, it so lame.



Where is it written that parents are to go to church to curse their kids?




Another lame attempt, I said I read that a father in Zaria Kaduna state attacked his son and trued to kill him because his son converted to Christianity, what has that got to do with the nonsense you are writing?




This is what I said.




Quit trying to say what I didn't say. I never said that money alone is the measure of success but money is also used to measure success.

I am tired of this bullcrap.

You win. . . .

9jacrip:
Correct.

I think my Mother tows the same path of sharing so much details when we show some type of behaviour which she links to some relative and well, we put the 1 and two together.

Many families have very strong generational Karma cycle and instead of nipping it, they compete with church or mosque fans over who stays in church the most looking for a miraculous 'deliverance'.

Ogun idile.

Evidence of this is everywhere

9jacrip:
It is quite refreshing to finally discover I am not.

Karma as well as Curses are both part of or work under natural law. Hence, to an extent, they are real.

As you said in your first post, epe can be devised through Yoruba science to work but I would also want to take it further that Karma can be devised as well.

Any person (male or female) that gets initiated into the order of iyami (iba o) but perpetrates evil do not usually end up well - this is karma.

Asides that, let me share a good example. A woman married a family's only son who was blessed to grow financially and materially so quick in life. In order to keep this goodies to herself and her family, she was alleged to have killed the guy's mother and turned the man away from his siblings. Upon making babies, they in turn gave birth to 3 girls 1 boy; the boy has grown and is a big man in one of the Nigerian banks but married a woman towing the same path of greed. The woman saw the hand writing on the wall and has left the shores of home, keeping her distance. This is Karma.

Curses are most potent or effective when pronounced at the peak of anger/hurt. And there are times one would not have to pronounce curses for someone to be cursed.

Karma prints is everywhere in Nature. This cannot be denied.

Epe can be made effective with Afose, Olugboun and the likes. This is what I will say its beyond me when it comes to understanding how this things work. On the contrary, I have not for once seen someone cursed to like ordered to run mad and immediately the person starts tearing his/her clothes. I think this only happen in movies. But I will always agrree that spoken words are very powerful.

As par the bold, do you implies that karma can be averted? I thought asesile ni abowaba, oun ti agbin ni a maka na.

Weah96:
Babalawos can be ego driven. They're only good for pointing out the proper entheogens and dosage so that one can access these things for HIMSELF. Middlemen should be avoided as best as possible. Avoid the ones that have a personality cult attached to him.

The embolden is truth.

Everything you put up I agree with.

Dont you think you are been driven into spiritualism with topics like Psyche, Consciousness and Inner self

gatiano:
Somebody is seeing one match (european league) after the other, seeing movies, series. having romantic time with the opposite sex and they think this equates to happiness.
100% of everybody in the world today are not happy. Nobody is happy, everybody is disatisfied up to their 100%, that we are so numb. we don't know what happiness feels like, we don't know what peace is?

If those two suddenly enters this world, we will all die from its force. I know what peace is, Happiness not really but I'm cool.

Johnnydon. . . .I hope you are reading this?

Weah96:
Thanks man. Hope you find that inner peace. Try asking yourself for it though, see how it works out. Here's a clue, perhaps even a foolish one. I won't mind if you burst into laughter. I can't even believe that I'm about to disclose this:

I know that you've had dreams in which you were the man to beat. Not regular dreams of earth and visible people, but those ones in which you were in a strange world and possessed supernatural powers to do literally anything with your mind. In my own dreams, I'm pretty sure that I've exceeded the speed of light on occasions trying to get away from danger or harm. I only have to think it, and before you know it, I'm airborne with my adversaries in close pursuit. They never chase me for too long though, because I always account for their top speed and factor that into how fast I intended to move.

I say that to say this, try asking that guy for assistance. While you observe this reality and stress yourself out, he is IN charge of observing things every time you're dead/asleep. After all, he occupies your body too and has a stake in your wellbeing. Don't expect miraculous solutions though. Just tell him what you want and he'll find a naturalistic way to materialize it. It's all in the mind.

If there is ever a life after death, or a judgment after death, he's the one who will serve as your judge. Btw, you guys don't go by the same name. His name is unknown.

Lol

Why go into this stress when a Babalawo wont waste time telling you about your Ori?

In yourba, that thing is Ori. . . .the creator of one reality. It is a deity and can be communicated with.

I visit Babalawo everytime I am chanced but I dont know why the question wont come up.

9jacrip:
At the emboldened

I have always thought I was alone o!

You are not alone bro.

What is your view Karma and Curse?

Traditionally, we believe in Ashehinwaye and Epe. We believe too that Epe ki n ja nijo won se. How do you view this things?

johnydon22:
Happiness and peace walks hand in hand... how can some one be happy if he is not at peace..
I for one care less of what should be but focus more on what is and that has given me a sense of contentment and peace.

some people may see wealth as a source of their happiness and can attain that..

To me happiness is a state of mind and one can only give that to himself..
One can be happy regardless of societal status or wealth accumulated. . . As long as one is happy i would say they are successful because

they have successfully given themselves happiness..

I agree with you.

What I dont agree is material wealth been the measure for successful life.

Happiness can bring riches but I have not seen money buying one happiness.

Karma and curse is the topic

Weah96:
Most people consider that to be their purpose in life. Or is it only Caucasians who feel that way?

I have a girl on the way and I don't know how I'm going to react. But she will be my new purpose until she's old enough to figure stuff out.

Lol.

I remember when my wife was in the labour room, I was enjoying my sleep in my room. She was the one that called my phone and told me she put to bed a baby boy. I was like wow. . .and I returned to sleep. But my boss son case was different. He couldnt sleep, I saw an adult crying,murmuring and shivering because his wife was in the labour room. I could not hold the laugh because perceive he is a kid. People thought I dont have heart of my own or feelings. But all these are wrong. I value lot of things but dont put much value into them.

I am a loner. My parents and wife understand this. My parents understand I dont value gift so they dont present me one. Alot of thing run through my mind which I am always trouble with. What can give me ultimate satisfaction is Inner Peace of mind. I know this, working toward it.

Hey, make that gal princess ok?

brosegun:
Pdp lost elections during Jonathan's tenure,but jonathan never harrassed inec officials of the affected states

Stop lying.

Weah96:
Do you have children?

I have a child. So what is the p?

gatiano:
What can you say? aA lot of people prefer to read what other people see or do than to see for themselves or do for self.

The ultimate rule of life = know thy self.

johnydon22:
I think the fact that you are trying to show here is very clear and obvious bro everyone knows that don't know why they are misrepresenting it and throwing in straw mans...


But to me success means just "To be happy" as long as am happy with myself and what, where i am. .that is success to me.... Being happy

This is your personal evaluation. And I pray you achieve that.

One has to think for himself and create a purpose for his life.

I could remember when I had admission, my uncle was happy more than I do. He asked me when we had discussion after checking out the cafe, he said why am I nt rejoicing that some of my colleague fail to secure admission. I told him blankly that securing admission is not a success to me and does not make me happy. I am mostly forced to laugh in different occassions. I dont just feel moved with what some people call success. I have been looking for inner peace for years.

Money does not matter validate how successful one is. That is the point

dalaman:
Do you deny that success is partly measured by riches? Is wealth not considered as being successful?

Considered on media and those who dont understand their inner selves.

dalaman:
Human wants are insatiable. But to claim that wealth has nothing to do with success is to deny reality.

My parents have money with wish we are satified. But I want to live with a friend who are poor that I have to give them money because I find peace in their house.

I know of priest who are happy but live in a muddy house. He believe success is not money or measure for it.

The media is doing a lot of damages to our psyche and way we think. Live is more than materualisic values

gatiano:
With inner peace, creation begins. With Good Character, everything else is added on to us which is good.

I tire o. I want to achieve Inner Peace. Someone there wants happiness and one daftman thinks I am forcing my opinion on him.

dalaman:
Am getting tired of FOLYKAZE and his semantic games. Everything has to be the way he personally defines it.

Did I say you should see success the way I see it?

Johnny said success to him is happiness while I choose inner peace as my aim. Is it not different?

Stop this hiding in shame tactics

dalaman:
You are just giving your own definition that has nothing to do with what the OP is all about. Here is the OP



That is what the OP is all about. From wikipedia

Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म; IPA: [ˈkərmə] ( listen); Pali: kamma) means action, work or deed;[1] it also refers to the spiritual principle of cause and effect where intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual (effect).[2] Good intent and good deed contribute to good karma and future happiness, while bad intent and bad deed contribute to bad karma and future suffering.[3][4] Karma is closely associated with the idea of rebirth in some schools of Asian religions.[5] In these schools, karma in the present affects one's future in the current life, as well as the nature and quality of future lives - or, one's saṃsāra.

This is the traditional Karma the OP is talking about. I don't have time satisfying or agreeing with your own opinions that have nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.

Karma which you are bringing in here goes far into existence in the past and the present incarnate. This is quite different from what the OP is saying here.

What I know is that karma is cause and effect. . .action and reaction. . .attack and repel which prints are everywhere in the universe.

That for that.

dalaman:
It seems you don't know what you are saying, may parents kill and harm their kids, so what are you saying about parents cursing their kids to scare them? Who are you to know the intention of all parents? Stop acting a fool please. My friends mum disowned him in my presence and rained curses on him saying he will never amount to anything good in this life, she said he is doomed and will end up in the streets, she even removed her clothes and used her boobies to swear on him in public. she drove him out of her house and they don't speak to each other till today. What the hell are you saying? Many parents curse their kids, some kill and harm their kids, to deny that reality is to be a liar.

Share with us experience between you and your parent and not experience from your friend and his parents.

dalaman:
Your parents are not all parents, they are not a standard for anything, they are just your parents. Many parents kill their kids, so quit talking thrash.

Out of anger, they might kill their children.

Causing one out of anger is scolding.

Your friend mother pray for children in her church, did she go to the church to curse her son if she really mean it?

dalaman:
Many parents in Africa kill their kids. Some cause them harm and disfigure them permanently, other curse their kids with then intention that they never see good in their lives and disown them. These things happen, so quitting talking thrash and using your your self or your family as a standard that does not exist. I read about a guy in Zaria Kaduna state that wanted to kill his son for converting to christianity just yesterday.

When did you read that the father picked up his quran, went to the mosque and cursed his son for converting to christianity? This is not you are not telling us.

dalaman:
Who said success is all about making money? Money is regarded as success to deny that is to deny reality.

Oh you forgot so soon that you said the measure for success is money?

dalaman:
Do you deny that success is partly measured by riches? Is wealth not considered as being successful?

After attaining wealth, there will still be something you want to chase. Power, fame and lot more. This does not equate a successful life.

gatiano:
Nice knuckle punch, receive mine well with happiness when I throw.

I no get body for punch o. Lol

truth is I dont see riches as a measure for successful life.

Is there an amount I want to make which others have not made or wont make? Even if I gets my hand on my desire, I still feel not fulfilled or empty.

I want inner peace. Not money which will bring more troubles

dalaman:
Success is measured by riches together with other things. To claim that success is not measured by riches is to deny reality. Why are the richest nations considered to be the most successful nations? Why are nations like Malawi, Chad, Niger and Burma not considered as successful nations?

Lol @ the bold.

Even gatiano get sense more than I think than you do.

No offense pls.

dalaman:
You are giving me your own definition of Karma which is actually not what it represents, but your own concocted ideas.
Karma in the classical sense is cause and effect where where the intent or actions on an individual influences the future of that individual. That is what karma is and that is what the OP is talking about not your semantics.

Cause and effect you agree on that with me.

Influence on person future.. . .this is what you are clinging on. But do you ask yourself how an effective repel or reaction can happen immediately afetr the cause? Effect or reaction happens in future either in the next minute or hour or year or centuries.

The Law of Cause & Effect states that absolutely everything happens for a reason. This reason lies in the past while the effect is the present which is future when viewed from the past.

I dont know why you cant understand this simple logic.

dalaman:
Another thrash talk, many parents kill their children daily so what do you mean by parents are only cursing their kids only to scare them? A lot of parents curse their kids with the intention of them meeting doom in their life, my friend's mum did same to him. You are only but one individual and I consider it as foolishness on your part for claiming to speak for all parents or to know their intentions. The statement you have made is categorically false because many parents curse their kids, disown them and have nothing to do with them. Many kill their kids.

Parents that curse their kids do such out of anger and not with the intention to kill them. Or maybe you take harshful scolding for cursing.

Did your friend parents bring their sons outside and started cursing them like, my children, you wont make it in life. Shouting loudly that the youngest shall be greater than you? When did they say their children wont succeed. In Jesus name you wont live long? Did they say that? You should quite lying because you want to gain a point.

I have parent and have a kid too. My parents could curse me and later in the day change tone. This is my personal experience and not that of another friend family. I have personally asked my mum why she cursed me and I found out from her it was because I caused troubles to her. At the end, she will call me in and bless me. This shows it is not from her heart.

African woman fit shout, yes I know that. They may say this and and that will kill you but they dont mean it.

dalaman:
And what do curses do? Make people succeed in life? . How do you measure success? Is it not by excelling in what you do? Yes sucess is measured by the money you have and the fleets of cars you own, that is why the Forbes magazine releases the list of the most successful business people annually, and it is based purely on how much billions of dollars they have. You can create your own alternative reality which pretends that money has nothing to do with success but this reality we live in says it is a lie.

Success is all about making money? I repeat you are a kid.

dalaman:
Who are you to tell me what karma is? That is your own definition of karma. According to most people karma refers to the spiritual principle of cause and effect where the intent or actions on an individual influences the future of that individual. That has shown not to be true in many cases. For example they claim that of you cheat people and become rich, someone will also cheat you in the future or you'll lose your wealth mysteriously because ot was ill gotten. The reality we see around jas shown that not to be true.

You are repeating what I said and adding some silly mumbo jumbo as flavour. Anyway you dont need to agree with me but you cannot run away from the truth I speak.

Karma is cause and effect which is action over equal and opposite reaction. Simple as ABC. The example you add is crap. . . .

In Albert Einstein's voice, If you can't explain it simply, then you don't understand it well enough.

dalaman:
As for doing well I mean doing better than those that were not cursed. I have a friend whose mum cursed him saying he will never do well in this life. Right now he is the only one that is rich and comfortable among all his siblings . In fact he is the only one that is married among all of them with kids. His elder ones are all poor , underemployed or unemployed. His elder brother died at the age of 37 mysteriously, this is just a single one. We can take a look at Israel. Do you know the amount of curses the Arabs pour out on them daily? All over the middle east the last 10 days of Ramadan is used as a special session of pouring out courses of doom on the nation of Israel by their Arab neighbors from 1948 till date but Israel remains the most developed nation in the entire middle east. More developed than the Arab neighbors that keep cursing them year in year out. They have achieved all these living on a desert land without any oil while the others all have oil.
Curses don't work. If it does we can test it right now using me. I'll offer my self as a lab rat.

Another rabble rouser.

Where did I say curse work?

The point I am making is that parents cannot out from their heart cause a child. Those that do it dont mean it but do it only to scare a child away.

And it seem all you got in your head is that curse stops one from succeding. Do you measure a successful life with the fleet of cars one own and the value of wealth? I dont know you are a kid. Tar!