₦airaland Forum

Airell:
I wonder when we are going to end it if we continue with the argument, so let me put a force stop to it. I know it will be difficult for you to accept anything aside what you believe, so let me leave you to your opinion. If you believe God is a doer of evil, fine!

Cheers.

orisa37:
When you are dead, you are not alife. The way you die, God is aware. If you are killed for a sin not commited, you become a saint and go to Heaven. If the death is due to your sin, you are a sinner and you have just paid supreme price for your sin. The fellow who killed you was doing his job as instructed by either satan or God and he and his fellow travellers will face judgement one day. Satisfied?

Is this post from the christian view or that of Olorisha?

Airell:
Lol. God is not for the Isreal nation alone, but for everyone. Because we are dealing with the book of amos here does not make him for Israelites only.

Reading a verse to buttress a point is not wrong. Pastors are quick to read from Malachi 3:10 when they want to discuss about tithe. They dont ask congregation to read the whole book of Malachi before they can understand the quoted Malachi 3:10 which speaks on tithe.

Same goes with Amos 3:6. It is quite evidenet that God caused evil things to happen. Afterall, he created them according to Isaiah 45:7. His creation are manifested with spoken words; evil and calamity is not exceptional here. He speaks evil and ordain it to happen.

Do I need to cite samples? You know this just trying to do some cover up

Airell:
I read not only Amos 3:6, I read it from vs 1 to vs 15. I will advise you to also read the whole chapter for better understanding.
God was reffering to the Isrealites in that chapter in respect to their iniquities. He told the prophet(Amos) how they will be dealt with. That verse 6 you focused all your attention on, cannot make you understand until you read the whole chapter because the verse 6 was just claiming the responsibility of God for anything that will happen to them within that period.

The bible God is now resisted to Israel nation. Bravo.

Airell:
You are right about all the scriptures quoted. The thought of God for us is good not evil but the wickedness of man turned it upside down that's why Proverbs 12:21 says; There shall no evil happen to the just: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief. That was what I meant when I said God is not responsible for our calamities.
Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be
unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be
delivered-Proverbs 11:21.

Did you read Amos 3:6?

If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the LORD done it?

You can only try but cannot suceed coverin the truth

ProphetUdeme:
hmmmm so ogun worshippers de sabi bible. Hmmmm no wonder how you and your pagan colleague macof always use bible verses to attack some christians that are shallow minded that are not consecrated as us to twist the verse and fuse another meaning to it

fixed.

Which time I don argue on bible last?

Abeg. . .

agarawu23:
thanks for taking your time to write this.

What some ppl lack is understanding.
Some of em think I am an atheist cos of my question but they are not focusing on the message I am trying to pass.

Keptocraric nature of Nigerian politicians have scientifical explanation.

It could be environment or something.

Your sig. Lol

Airell:
Yes, God is aware of all what is going on on earth but he is not responsible for our calamities. If you believe in the bible, it says " Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of
turning-James 1:17". and also " For I know the thoughts I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace and not evil, to give you an expected end-Jeremiah 29:11".

Stop lying bros.

Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? Lamentation 3:38

If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the LORD done it? Amos 3:6

The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these. Isaiah 45:7

johnydon22:
I am not theist so i do not hold such beliefs as asserted in the Op.

So i have no business answering it. . . Now boy, calm down don't get yourself worked up. it's unhealthy for your health..

Do not try evading a question as usual. You might not be a theist but you can also contribute your own qouta without insulting others like you did in your previous post.

Ya, I understand the OP is asking veracity of Fate, Destiny and predetermination of person in the theistic sense. Theism which stands on God have different meaning to it.

God is consciousness in panpsychism. This is analogous to pantheism, just replace"god" with "consciousness," http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Panpsychism

God is Energy in Shaktism

God is substance in Spinozism.

God is Nature in Natural pantheism.

You might not agee on some stance with theist base on the word God but you wil agree with the theist that our behaviour is influenced by some factors. You embrace science a lot
science holds that the centre of human behaviour is the brain. However, the brain can be influenced by some chemical effects.

This chemical effects can reflect in consciousness (God in panpsychism), energy (God in shaktism), substance (God in Spinozism) and Nature environment (God in Naturalistic pantheism).

Serotonin is a chemical created by the human body that works as a neurotransmitter. Researches has shown that it can controll mood naturally. Also, it can be used to treat agression when applies artificially. Nitrous oxide cause person to laugh, hallucination drugs distort or create another reality. It is all projection from chemicals. Suarez comes to mind. How can a grown up man bite before the whole world. I am sure this is something he doesnt like doing but he cant help it when the chemicals in his body effect it. This showing our behaviours and actions are all chemical effects. Should we be blame or hold responsible for our action which is factor of chemical reaction that can be altered by Nature?

All our actions, whether it is virtue , vice, peace or war are determined by the biological and electromagnetic environments combined with our genetic configuration over time. What happens in your environment, what nourishment you eat, events that you experience etc they all affect the neurochemical balance of your brain.

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we are brain puppets. Our actions are caused by chemical effects, forces like electromagnetic force, natrural environment and others.


You need to see the neuroscience of a serial killer here http://www.bestcounselingdegrees.net/serial-killer/


Lets now remover God (even without removing it, it still reflect some tangible stuff that affect ones behaviour). Who then should we hold responsible? Is it us or the chemicals and the gene?

Picture or it never happen

I want something like he is arraigned in the court, found guilty, property siezed and sentenced to 30 years inprisonment with hard labour

Go into the bookstores or online bookshops. I believe you will get the book there.

Owliver:
black man mentality. give him 10naira and steal 500naira he will still jubilate. pls change your mentality> no insult intended

Does this post make sense to you?

If Boko Haram can become the thing of the past, that is enough for me to vote Buhari again in 2019

macof:
Well its his beliefs not urs

So Jehova is same as Ishtar of Babylon?
Same as Eros and Cupid

Goodnight

macof:
Sure you have years of experience in Ifa

What is this guy saying?

macof:
So Jehova is the personification of Love? Joshthefirst that true?

Is the secretary of God who wrote the Bible?

God is love.

Love is God.

Last time a preacher came to me, she said God is love.

macof:
Smh. Keep looking for arguement

On a serious note. I dont agree with Fakunle regarding the interpretation of this Odu. I have a journal that detail the account but it is something like fussing Christianity into Orishism. I think he got it from Awo Popoola but how he interpreted it is wrong.

macof:
Are aliens not Persons?

Fact is Jehova isn't a personification of anything. .. the last christian preacher that came to me made that very clear

God is love

macof:
LLike I said you are probably on weed and in desperate need for something fun to do

Wat is it about letting the Muslim guy go Scott free? Did he steal from me?

He challenged you. Split on his face evidential fact

macof:
I Would say there's no such God
But Christians and muslims say otherwise

Christian God said I am not human. Does that not tell you he cannot be person?

macof:
Is he Arab or is Arabic his first language? Does he have to post anything in Arabic?

Then you dont understand yoruba very well


Here's translation
" The dew spews out rapidly, it does so continously without order, this was declared to Origun, when he was going to coordinate the deepening of the heavens and earth , a very long time ago"

Deepening "Ibu" can be a synonym for expansion "Ife"

That a dew spew out continously and rapidly without order is not expansion.

macof:
Did I have to ask questions?

Believed to be said by a God? anyway. ..

This is from Odu Ogunda-Okanran
"Iri tu wili wili, Iri tu wiliwili, Iri tu wili-wili, ko tu reke-reke, Dia fun Origun, Tinlo s’eda ibu Orun ati Aye ni’gba ijinji"

Anybody with little exposure to Ifa will know what this is all about

Translation sire.

The guy did not post his quran verse in Arabic.

As omo Yoruba though, there is nothing like expansion in what you posted.

macof:
You've probably been smoking weed
Get yourself together

Call her Juana not weed.

Common guy. The muslim guy must not go scot free. Where in Ifa corpus did you learnt that the Universe expand?

Tell us

macof:
Yes Personification can come with giving a gender. ..Is Mary Jane not a woman?

Depends on which Oduduwa you speak of

She is a beautiful lad. I marry Juana but not again.

Oduduwa is He-She right?

macof:
I agree but tell that to Christians and jews

I know there is a particular sect among the Christians that have the same thought. After all they dont agree on the samething

macof:
Like I said you are bored. ..reason why you looking for arguement where its not necessary

I believe the op is looking for Gods that are considered actual persons by their people not personification

Me bored again?

Can you help him pls.

Name that God that existed as person and not personification

Lets start from that

macof:
Are you OK? Come and tie my fingers. ..
Btw that was not a stuupid reason


You would be a fool to think that verse u quoted is the best ancient civilizations had to say about astronomy...a bigger fool to take it as any sort evidence of Allah

Ogbeni you are not making any sense. Stop making yourself look foolish.

The muslim guy challenged you to provide the Ifa verse which expatiate the expansion of the universe. Pls bring out the evidence to buttress your claim

lexiconkabir:
ode! first of all, you didnt ask any question, to make you look even more stu.pid, you said ifa also said the earth is expanding which unfortunately you cant prove! as regards the bolded, give a quotable proof from any believed to be said by a god.

Macof.

You are the one that made a claim that Ifa expatiate expansion of the universe. An Imole is asking for prove. Can you pls provide it?

finofaya:
Folykaze, find me when you have something more compelling to say.

Mary Jane aka Juana is Ganja.

Make I pas you the lighter?

Loool

macof:
I don't understand ur question

The point is if the stories in the bible is real, what we call God and ordain of God could be some customary law back in the days.

I dont know if you get this