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macof:
Well finofaya needs proof. First of determine what gender God is so when we find something we know it has to be of that gender to apply

Gender of personification?

What is the gender of Oduduwa?

finofaya:
Apparently you are hard of hearing.

Ode.

Just as Mary Jane is not human just like God even if the allegorical account depict it as person.

Those who look for a beautiful lad in Mary Jane will arrive at wrong conclusion just like seeing God as a person.

Mary Jane is . . . . . . Ganja (Igbo)

finofaya:
Hopefully you saw the attempt I made at a definition.

See this lying coward.

Were you not the one that made this statement on this same thread?

finofaya:
I don't think it is the same question. Whatever God is, it may or may not be capable of proof by us.
If the God is tied to any religion, the conclusion is valid only for that religion. I tried to use a description that can apply across the board.

And here you are lying because one Mr Nice is trying to redress your fallacy. God as a person is not restricted to God of Abraham.

macof:
I know. . I've been reading through the thread

Folykaze is just bored
I expect he should understand your position already


More nicely put, you are interested in the God of Abrahamic religions

Me bored

I think you are becoming dumb just like him.

Is there no difference between God as a person and God of Abrahamic religion?

I will understand him if he had come openly that the God he is refering to his Abrahamic Gods. There wont be problem bashing which he created.

Every Gods existed as person. The OP said he is cutting across all Gods. And Mr nice guy is here fencing the OP who want to go gaga into God of Abraham. So tell me who is bored?

macof:
God is a HE?

What is this nitori Olorun?

finofaya:
I gave you all the answers you need a long time ago. If my answers were so poor then why are you still here badgering me? Take your victory and be going na.

Oga stop been a coward.

You have not answer any question so far. The only thing you are good at is sidestepping and cowardice. The lyrics is pointing tat a Lady. Her name is even mentioned. Mary Jane also has a nick Juana. Whatever she is, she is a person just as God is depicted in their allegorical stories.

So now tell us. Who do you think the girl in the lyrics is?

Put me to shame and answer.

Who do you think Mary Jane alias Juana is?

lexiconkabir:
oh really? prove it! or keep mute!

Oga Macof. Come and pick up the challenge o.


You no go won be like some dude we know na

Silence this Imole once and for all

finofaya:
. Exactly. I'm interested in God as a person, not as something else that is personified.

Dumbness!

You will arrive at a wrong conclusion if you think of knowing whom God is as a person rather than what is personified.

This is what brought in the lyrics. Answering it will tell how fast you reason.

The lyrics again is

Intro
right now.. whooh
Am all packed for this
Am gone, am gone
VEC (put your fist in air)
Break it down

1st Hook
One time.. (I dey high dey go)
I met this girl one time
I dey fly dey go
I met this girl one time
See this mary Jane just dey make me dey high dey goo
Taking over my mind e oo (she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint
I met this girl just one time
See my brain done off
I dey think of how to think
See this girl na winch.


Verse1
Lemme tell you a story see (V.E.C)
I met this girl one time, Mary Jane
She was introduced to me by my best friend
She goes around and all of us no complaint
And after we kiss her, we complain
We tell the truth as we laff over anything
She’s our bestfriend, she gives us everything
And she’ll support you connect you she cares too,
She’s smoking hot, from the rear-view..(Haha)
She’s a clean girl in a white dress,
Her body feels good in her tight white dress
She keeps me focus, my inspiration
I marry juana, she gives me inspirations!


2nd Hook
I dey fly dey go (eh fem)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (she kept me high)
Taking over my mind e oh(she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint (like bright chimezie’s..hehehe)
My brain done off And I dey think of how to think (please slow down)
See this girl na winch


Verse 2
V.E.C round 2.. know this
Mary Jane is not a Hoe, No
Even tho maryjane is with every bro
And mary jane is not a hoe? NO
Coz maryjane don’t want u tho, No
See mary jane only wanna kiss, YES
So she can show u eternal bliss, YES
And mary jane never have sex, YES
She only put ya mind ina mess, YES
She put u in a mess if u dne Over stand her,
She turn a weak man into a Commander
Maryjane will kiss u,
You and ya girlfriend
Maryjane is faithful
With u till the dead end


3rd Hook
I dey fly dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
Taking over my mind e oh (mary jane n alcohol with me is a combo)
See my dey tint (my eyes on tin tin levo!)
My brain done off I dey think of how to think (hahaha..I like that..)
See this na winch..hey hey..


Verse 3
See its just me, mary jane and I n I
And any man tryna come between gwuan join as hustle high in the sky
U no wanna see me dutty high
What’s jah’s put together no other man try to divide
Me n my girl share the fun like FANTA
She no PLAY, she wan cruz a homie like Santa (Santa Cruz)
Chineke, she got me eye looking like bright Chimezie
See me tinted all the way, all the day all the night
Me and Jane never fight,
While Me and Mary take a flight,
Me and mary reach the height of the angels
We see heaven on earth
She makes me happy all the time, nothing

Its YSG baby, Dapiano..and VEC bad guy on the drum u know..VECC,VEC!*coughs*

Who is the girl called Mary Jane in the lyric? Tell us the answer and shame me. Prove to us you are not shallow in thinking.

Do you look forward to seeing a person here.?

Do you see a besutiful lad who is virgin but act like hoe?

Who do you think Mary Jane is?

finofaya:
Your comprehension is a debacle. You need to give up this line of thinking already bro.

Who is the gal in the lyrics?

Answer me pls

finofaya:
I can't even make sense of your question. Gather your thoughts please.

You cant make sense from it ba?

Who is the girl in the lyrics I posted?

If cant decode whom a gal in lyrics is, how then can you know what personification of God represent?

This is IQ test for you. Who do you think Mary Jane is in that lyrics?

macof:
Well, yes there's no such person as Iustice (it's actually Iustitia not "iustice", Brahma or Thor
They are personifications, and as far as I know the idea of personification is giving human attributes to something that isn't a person

You dey mind the mumu that is looking for person in a personification?

Can you help us in deciphering who the girl in the lyrics above is?

finofaya:
FOLYKAZE

I don't know why I even bothered with you. Go and babble at someone else. Your confusion is profound.

Na the gal in the song confuse you abi?

If you dont know who the gal in the lyrics is, how then can you differentiate God from person as illustrated in thier allegorical account?

macof:

Na question I ask you Oga.

johnydon22:
Religion section

for what?. . . .what exactly is the business of physics with religion

Have you forgotten Gods were mentionef in the OP?

finofaya:
1. I already told you that if your claim is that Shakti is a real person then my answer is no. Please stop wasting time and effort with this repetition.

You are the one that need to stop playing hide and seek.

On the contrary, your reply here exposes your dumbness. Maybe Psalm 14:1 is right in your case.

Shak·ti - /ˈSHəktē/
noun
1. the female principle of divine energy, especially when personified as the supreme deity.

http://www.google.com/m?q=shakti

My Uncle call his Car by the name Patty.

Personification of Patty can give us expression like; Patty's headlight winkled at me.

In this case, the Car Patty has become a person.

Going by your logic, patty is not real.

How dumb does that sound to you?

finofaya:
2. You have my answer. Make your peace with it.

I did not answer anything. Are you looking for human as attributed to God in their stories and accounts or you are looking for what the god represent according to their account?

Stop running around while you are already unclad.

finofaya:
4. Keep track of your argument. Muslims and Christians claim that their Gods are real persons. Do you want to redefine their God for them?

Another dumbness. You have already lost the argument. Here is what you said:

finofaya:
3. God as a being possessing self awareness, intelligence, agency etc. Just the way a human being is a person.

finofaya:
4. I do not believe that there is any real person that fits the description in the OP. Why do you keep asking me this?

I went ahead and told you Jehovah has all the attributes and now you are telling me this crap.

For your info, I have shredded Jehovah to mean force of the hills and mountain. I interpreted it to mean personification and glorification of Volcanic eruption.

finofaya:
Your challenge is silly and I won't bother with it.

are you so afraid of this small challenge? Are you proving you are a coward?

Common this is a simple task.

Intro
right now.. whooh
Am all packed for this
Am gone, am gone
VEC (put your fist in air)
Break it down

1st Hook
One time.. (I dey high dey go)
I met this girl one time
I dey fly dey go
I met this girl one time
See this mary Jane just dey make me dey high dey goo
Taking over my mind e oo (she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint
I met this girl just one time
See my brain done off
I dey think of how to think
See this girl na winch.


Verse1
Lemme tell you a story see (V.E.C)
I met this girl one time, Mary Jane
She was introduced to me by my best friend
She goes around and all of us no complaint
And after we kiss her, we complain
We tell the truth as we laff over anything
She’s our bestfriend, she gives us everything
And she’ll support you connect you she cares too,
She’s smoking hot, from the rear-view..(Haha)
She’s a clean girl in a white dress,
Her body feels good in her tight white dress
She keeps me focus, my inspiration
I marry juana, she gives me inspirations!


2nd Hook
I dey fly dey go (eh fem)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (she kept me high)
Taking over my mind e oh(she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint (like bright chimezie’s..hehehe)
My brain done off And I dey think of how to think (please slow down)
See this girl na winch


Verse 2
V.E.C round 2.. know this
Mary Jane is not a Hoe, No
Even tho maryjane is with every bro
And mary jane is not a hoe? NO
Coz maryjane don’t want u tho, No
See mary jane only wanna kiss, YES
So she can show u eternal bliss, YES
And mary jane never have sex, YES
She only put ya mind ina mess, YES
She put u in a mess if u dne Over stand her,
She turn a weak man into a Commander
Maryjane will kiss u,
You and ya girlfriend
Maryjane is faithful
With u till the dead end


3rd Hook
I dey fly dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
Taking over my mind e oh (mary jane n alcohol with me is a combo)
See my dey tint (my eyes on tin tin levo!)
My brain done off I dey think of how to think (hahaha..I like that..)
See this na winch..hey hey..


Verse 3
See its just me, mary jane and I n I
And any man tryna come between gwuan join as hustle high in the sky
U no wanna see me dutty high
What’s jah’s put together no other man try to divide
Me n my girl share the fun like FANTA
She no PLAY, she wan cruz a homie like Santa (Santa Cruz)
Chineke, she got me eye looking like bright Chimezie
See me tinted all the way, all the day all the night
Me and Jane never fight,
While Me and Mary take a flight,
Me and mary reach the height of the angels
We see heaven on earth
She makes me happy all the time, nothing

Its YSG baby, Dapiano..and VEC bad guy on the drum u know..VECC,VEC!*coughs*

who is Mary Jane in this song?

Dalaman, abi you go help your friend off my claw?

Fayose. . . . PDP is now Ijaw party. Waoh

finofaya:
FOLYKAZE

1. Isn't Shakti a synonym for energy?

wrong.

Shakti is a God. Do you think it is real?

finofaya:
2. It depends on the claim. If you say your God is a real person then we need to talk. If you prefer to call a body of water God, I prefer to call it a body of water.

This is red herring and tactic of evading question. You are not addressing anything here.

No one is asking you to call a body of water God. I am not even saying a body of water should be called God. The discussion here is God been depicted as person. We have lot of accounts we can hold onto to prove this point. Yemoja comes in because the story accounted for her not only depicted her as a woman, the story continue that she has a long and large breast. She became pregnant to her son which cost her to run from heaven abode to earth. According to the story, she fell down on earth and had her stomach cut open causing her lives to come out of her.

This is allegorical illustration of Yemoja. This is the legend been foretold from the ancient time. There are more than ten sides to it. On the literal sense, the story depict a pregnant woman. On the esotericalistic sides, it depict the origin of water with the theory of fallen icy comets.

So the question again is that do you look for human in the story of God or you look up for their representation?

Do you look for Yemoja with long breast like Missisisipi when the story of her is told or you look out for the representation of Yemoja?

Answer straight forward pls.

finofaya:
4. Go and tell Christians and Muslims that.

You are just too shallow.

Is Jehovah not depicted as person who is angry, jealous, intelligent, talk, fight, eat and have sex?

Is Allah not depicted as person?

finofaya:
Am I really supposed to answer that question about the song?

Give it a try and answer. This will explain how intelligent you are. It will explain how you evaluate allegorical stories of God. It will reveal light into anthropomorphization of God. I challenge you to decipher who the lady in the lyric is.

Intro
right now.. whooh
Am all packed for this
Am gone, am gone
VEC (put your fist in air)
Break it down

1st Hook
One time.. (I dey high dey go)
I met this girl one time
I dey fly dey go
I met this girl one time
See this mary Jane just dey make me dey high dey goo
Taking over my mind e oo (she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint
I met this girl just one time
See my brain done off
I dey think of how to think
See this girl na winch.


Verse1
Lemme tell you a story see (V.E.C)
I met this girl one time, Mary Jane
She was introduced to me by my best friend
She goes around and all of us no complaint
And after we kiss her, we complain
We tell the truth as we laff over anything
She’s our bestfriend, she gives us everything
And she’ll support you connect you she cares too,
She’s smoking hot, from the rear-view..(Haha)
She’s a clean girl in a white dress,
Her body feels good in her tight white dress
She keeps me focus, my inspiration
I marry juana, she gives me inspirations!


2nd Hook
I dey fly dey go (eh fem)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (she kept me high)
Taking over my mind e oh(she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint (like bright chimezie’s..hehehe)
My brain done off And I dey think of how to think (please slow down)
See this girl na winch


Verse 2
V.E.C round 2.. know this
Mary Jane is not a Hoe, No
Even tho maryjane is with every bro
And mary jane is not a hoe? NO
Coz maryjane don’t want u tho, No
See mary jane only wanna kiss, YES
So she can show u eternal bliss, YES
And mary jane never have sex, YES
She only put ya mind ina mess, YES
She put u in a mess if u dne Over stand her,
She turn a weak man into a Commander
Maryjane will kiss u,
You and ya girlfriend
Maryjane is faithful
With u till the dead end


3rd Hook
I dey fly dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
Taking over my mind e oh (mary jane n alcohol with me is a combo)
See my dey tint (my eyes on tin tin levo!)
My brain done off I dey think of how to think (hahaha..I like that..)
See this na winch..hey hey..


Verse 3
See its just me, mary jane and I n I
And any man tryna come between gwuan join as hustle high in the sky
U no wanna see me dutty high
What’s jah’s put together no other man try to divide
Me n my girl share the fun like FANTA
She no PLAY, she wan cruz a homie like Santa (Santa Cruz)
Chineke, she got me eye looking like bright Chimezie
See me tinted all the way, all the day all the night
Me and Jane never fight,
While Me and Mary take a flight,
Me and mary reach the height of the angels
We see heaven on earth
She makes me happy all the time, nothing

Its YSG baby, Dapiano..and VEC bad guy on the drum u know..VECC,VEC!*coughs*

Who is the girl been refered to?

Who is Mary Jane nicknamed Juana?

I challenge you finofaya to tell us whom the girl in the song is.

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finofaya:
1. Energy is real.

And Shakti, do you think it is real?

finofaya:
2. I don't understand this question.

All Gods are depicted as person. They are either human or a divine creatures. According to their accounts or stories, we have persons who have feelings, intelligent and speak like normal man.

So the question now is, do you take the account literaly or you decode the message the account it trying to tell?

Take for example, in Tortoise story tell us back then as a kid. I dont practically look for Tortoise that is wise, walk on the two feet and discuss issue with human beings. Rather, I leave the literal story and grap the moral message the story is telling.

Knowing that all Gods are described as person, do you take the story on the literal surface or you are concern about the essense passed?

Are you looking for Yemoja who has long breast like the atlantic Ocean or you are looking for Yemoja the water body?

finofaya:
3. God as a being possessing self awareness, intelligence, agency etc. Just the way a human being is a person.

All the accounts and stories of God depict God as described above.

finofaya:
4. I do not believe that there is any real person that fits the description in the OP. Why do you keep asking me this?

Who told you there is a real person that fits the description in the OP?

Anthropomorphization is as old as man. People adopted it long time ago when they want to describe objects. It is simply a way of ascribes human traits, ambitions, emotions or entire behavior to animals, non-human beings, natural phenomena or objects. Gods story pick on this method too. It is dumbness to rap mind round attributions.

Let me employ Vector song. . . .I think it will explain me better and make me see how you reason.

Pls read closely everything posted below.

Intro
right now.. whooh
Am all packed for this
Am gone, am gone
VEC (put your fist in air)
Break it down

1st Hook
One time.. (I dey high dey go)
I met this girl one time
I dey fly dey go
I met this girl one time
See this mary Jane just dey make me dey high dey goo
Taking over my mind e oo (she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint
I met this girl just one time
See my brain done off
I dey think of how to think
See this girl na winch.


Verse1
Lemme tell you a story see (V.E.C)
I met this girl one time, Mary Jane
She was introduced to me by my best friend
She goes around and all of us no complaint
And after we kiss her, we complain
We tell the truth as we laff over anything
She’s our bestfriend, she gives us everything
And she’ll support you connect you she cares too,
She’s smoking hot, from the rear-view..(Haha)
She’s a clean girl in a white dress,
Her body feels good in her tight white dress
She keeps me focus, my inspiration
I marry juana, she gives me inspirations!


2nd Hook
I dey fly dey go (eh fem)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (she kept me high)
Taking over my mind e oh(she’s taking over)
See my eye dey tint (like bright chimezie’s..hehehe)
My brain done off And I dey think of how to think (please slow down)
See this girl na winch


Verse 2
V.E.C round 2.. know this
Mary Jane is not a Hoe, No
Even tho maryjane is with every bro
And mary jane is not a hoe? NO
Coz maryjane don’t want u tho, No
See mary jane only wanna kiss, YES
So she can show u eternal bliss, YES
And mary jane never have sex, YES
She only put ya mind ina mess, YES
She put u in a mess if u dne Over stand her,
She turn a weak man into a Commander
Maryjane will kiss u,
You and ya girlfriend
Maryjane is faithful
With u till the dead end


3rd Hook
I dey fly dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
See this mary jane girl just dey make me dey high dey go (mary jane, mary jane)
Taking over my mind e oh (mary jane n alcohol with me is a combo)
See my dey tint (my eyes on tin tin levo!)
My brain done off I dey think of how to think (hahaha..I like that..)
See this na winch..hey hey..


Verse 3
See its just me, mary jane and I n I
And any man tryna come between gwuan join as hustle high in the sky
U no wanna see me dutty high
What’s jah’s put together no other man try to divide
Me n my girl share the fun like FANTA
She no PLAY, she wan cruz a homie like Santa (Santa Cruz)
Chineke, she got me eye looking like bright Chimezie
See me tinted all the way, all the day all the night
Me and Jane never fight,
While Me and Mary take a flight,
Me and mary reach the height of the angels
We see heaven on earth
She makes me happy all the time, nothing

Its YSG baby, Dapiano..and VEC bad guy on the drum u know..VECC,VEC!*coughs*

Who do you think Mary Jane, nicknamed Juana is in this lyrics?

I want to see where your problem comes from

dalaman:
Yes oo. Amala and banga soup filled with bush meat with one bottle of cold beer. No be small jazz be that. I recommend it for you.

Correct

dalaman:
I have punch proof jazz.

peppersoup and oloso be the jazz na Lol

finofaya:
Lol. Fixed

Lol.

finofaya:
I'm only interested in God as a person. I must have said this before.

1. Do you admit the fatual substance which this God represents is real? I have pointed to Shakti which is Energy.

2. Almost all Gods are depicted as Person. So are you holding to the account as it is or holding to the message been passed from the account?

3. Can you tell what you mean by God as a person?

4: example to number 3

dalaman:
As many punches as possible.

dalaman:
Na fight ooo. . Context my friend.

https://www.moet.com/var/moet/storage/images/moet/home/our-champagnes/moet-ice-imperial/11274-35-eng-GB/Moet-Ice-Imperial_fixed_310x345.jpg

That guy above will finish before tge first round.

How many punches can ypou take?

finofaya:
Babe, you're losing track of this discussion. I told you you didn't read what I wrote.

I don't believe there is a real person known as God, as per the OP. I've heard of Thor, I've heard of Jehovah, I've heard of Sango and I've heard of Zeus. None of them is real.

They are not real as God of psrsonhood or real as God representing a fatual substances?

Which of the two?

finofaya:
That is exactly my point. If I know such a person I can't be an atheist.

Keep it coming.

I think you know the difference between knowledge and acknowledge?

You cannot be atheist to something you are ignorant of. Rather, you are atheist to that thing you know it details but rejected or disaproved because you can draw evidence to it.


I read the bible and quran. I know about the Gods mentioned in it but I dont approve or acknowledge such Gods could exist.

The argument is proof for God. According to you all God

You have shifted the goal to uncreated/uncaused God who created the universe and the evidence was presented.

You are now jumping and clinging on personhood of God. And now feigning ignorance about knowledge of any God. #confusion?

Well, atheism is denial, and rejection of the existence of God. That you do not know about the God you disbelieve in is obvious lie. Quit that.

Name one God with personhood. Just one.

Do you believe in others?

dalaman:
What have you fixed? Jehovah is God so get the hell out of here and stop quoting me.

Lol

Na fight? Dont bring that cuz I got lot of army in the bar like alcohol. Dem go scatter your body and mind if I say fight.

We can not agree with everything you know. But we can stilll understand ourselves.

There are lot of Cannaites and Greek Gods in the bible. You just have to be specific.

finofaya:
I'm talking about real persons here bro, not mythical ones.

Stop running from the question

Can you tell us whom that real person who happens to be God is? Name one pls

dalaman:
The bible is full with Jehovah acting as if he is threatened because people refuse to believe and obey him.

Fixed

finofaya:
I'm only interested in God as a person. Can I correctly say that there is no such person as Iustice, Brahma, or Thor?

Can you tell us whom that person who happens to be God is? Name one pls

Can you explain how Thor, Iustice and Brahman are not person from their mythical illustrations like other Gods?


Pls do sire

finofaya:
There was no jump. You just didn't read what I wrote. Personhood and personal don't even mean the same thing.

If your Gods have personhood, then the evidence which we require for things like energy cannot be the same that we require for them. I hope I don't have to explain why.

This is where you guys get things wrong. I have told you several times that you need to look beyond literal depiction of God concepts. When you look for God from personhood because of anthromorphism, you all will arrive at a wrong conclusion. Take for example Iustice is a goddess of justice represented as a woman wearing a robe with a sword and scale in her hand. You and lot others are looking for a beautiful woman while in plain sense Iustice is RULE AND EQUITY OF THE LAW.

So tell us sir, do you look fof a lady in IUSTICE or you are looking for RULE OF LAW?

Are you looking for a handsome guy in Brahma or you are looking forUltimate reality?

Are you looking for warrior with big Hammer which he swing around in Thor or you are looking for Justice?