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Oklander: July salary? Shocker? PDP government in Kogi state hasn't even paid workers their May salary. Now that's a Bomber! Many i.diots seems to be ignoring the negligence, stupidity, poor governance and incompetence of PDP government in other state and focus on every little things happening in the states of the opposition.

See finishing.

Lol

Ubenedictus: i read it, and i found nothing particularly interesting about it.

Yahweh is the god of hills.

That is all the thread is about.

And God of hills in Yoruba is Orish Oke.

Isnt that interesting?

Ubenedictus: i actually read my bible, i read it for a very long time every day. I study it, meditate on it, carry it in my heart and chew it like a cord, everyday.

One of the keys to reading a book not written in english is to find a good translation.

Contemporary english at almost all time equate worship with adoration. That is the sense it is used in contemporary english. For instance 500yrs ago i would have absolutely no problem telling a protestant that catholics worship mary, becos 500yrs ago worship was a word that covered veneration, honor, respect adoration, i'll just have to specify the type of worship. Today if i tell a protestant that i worship my mum he will brand me a heretic, because in today vocabulary worship is usually translated as adoration.


So yeah i read my bible! And my bible say i shouldn't worship, honor, or venerate any supposed god, it also says to worship my parents and a whole lot of other people, and it reserves adoration, adoratio, latriia for the one true God. That iis what my bible says.

It is not about whether or not i'm reading my bible, it is about reading a bible with correct english translation.



no dear i don't.

because there is only one true God and he alone deserve the submission of my intellect, will, heart and beign in recognision of his divine majesty.



i'll read.

Would reply when you are done reading the link.


How ur day bro?

Oduduwaboy: Maybe i need to read you more . I thought you believe in god/gods(whatever!). I thought you are just against the ' imported' gods.

I am a spiritual atheist. I tend to know about what God is.

Ghostofsparta is an atheist. He define is as Aborisha'theist (I have defined Orisha or Aborisha on many threads). He tends to believe in God.

Oduduwaboy: Also, let me tell you this. If you have ever read me well at all , you should know that it is my deep feeling of affection for fellow men that first brought my doubts about God. If i happen to talk more about the Christian god that may be because of the fact that i was a christian ( No other God beside jehovah.lol.)

Like Muskeeto would say in his days. . . .disbelieve in God should span beyond christian God.

I understand you though but there are more to the word than christian conception.

Also, beejay tried to explain some mystic essence in christian bible. It make a lot of senses which I cant disagree with. I have found lot too myself that make sense. I dont disbelieve because the perspect aint clear.

Oduduwaboy: How can i question science which is not a person but an objective process?

The same way you can question God which is a label.

Oduduwaboy: I have cancelled god in my heart and whatever failings i see around me are only the random occurences of Nature or human actions which i hope to be a part of such that the good of as many people as possible within the society are served.

Nature, the people around and yourself are Gods.

Beat that . . . God is still in your earth.


You acclaim you have Nature, people and yourself in your heart. These listed entities you have in mind are Gods.

Oduduwaboy: I believe in continual discussions among people in making individuals see things from each others perspective. I dont easily call a person a fool; i may not see things like he sees them for a time.

Sorry for that word. I didnt mean to say it. Was just quoting theist.

Oduduwaboy: I talk more about tragedies because i feel so strongly for the victims and if truly there is a GOD like the religions preach he/she should feel more for them than this mere me and thus be able to prevent these unspeakable tragedies!

Samething goes for nature which you have in heart.


It is a lovely nature when you can be nourished. Everyone cherish the beautiful greens, water bodies and spots. We all feel good inhaling natural air, going to beach, take a look at beautiful spots. Little children, adults and old felas yern for holidays because they want to fill the touching heart of nature. And ya we see adverts and annoucement nationwide from those in tourist business calling to enjoy their holiday in a lovely nature world. They do claim nature is beautiful. That same nature has caused death in billions, diseases in suprising levels, disasters and many other evils.

Do you question Nature who is said to be lovely but turns out to be bloodsucking beast?

Serotonin is a chemical created by the human body that works as a neurotransmitter. Researches has shown that it can controlles mood naturally. Also, it can be used to treat agression when applies artificially.

This showing our behaviours and actions are all chemical effects.


Should we be blame or hold responsible for our action which is factor of chemical reaction that can be altered by Nature?

teeghurl: what exactly is ur point brov? u're neither supporting his write-up nor belief thr's a true God wt ur own write-up

Hey dear

True I dont believe in God. My disbelieve span across every Gods in existence. Moreso, I am careful about 'God', because I know it could be mere label to nature, a cause or something. One thing is, I am against the way the write up often pop up when tragedy surface. He OP does not care about life lost, what he want is point against God. He doesnt lament while science provides for us deadly weapons or Jets that get obsolete with time that have caused the death of hundreds. He didnt shout science is evil when boko haram make bombs. He is biased toward christian God but you cant find him blaming science when Israel hit hamas with deadly strikes.

For someone that have human feelings, did he really so care for the life lost. Did he extend sympathy for those that lost love ones? He just need to read a tragedy news and then create thread accusing God. There was another guy that created a thread shouting God this, God that when malaysian plane went missing. No one blame science, nature or try to find cause for the disappearance. The whole world come together contributing there effort, people from distance send some love. . .but all we got here is blaming God. Could this be the reason why some theist call them fools? Ya we are God, have they blame themselves being God?


That is where I diagree with him

ChristLight: Wasted goat sperm. Answer d f~ckin question u supporter of APC E-goat.

You lost it, I am not afflicted to any political party.

Real businessmen own bulletproof cars. If you dont know this and see it as imposibilities, kindly return to your improverish life in the villa.

You think say poverty don infest completely other people like it eats you?

This Otueke man is just desperate. From political black mailing to witch hunting and now in bomb-hunting all because he want to retain power.

Is this bomb-hunting abi wetin make we call am?

It started when I read an article which confirmed our thoughts, emotions, knowledge, senses, intelligence, choices and decisions we take are effects from chemical reactions in the body system centered in the brain.

Everything in our mind is just an on-going chemical reaction in our brain - every thought, feeling, emotion which make us robotic. That said, our universe is just a big brain. Everything there in is energy taking forms, atom builded in a shape, molecules, cells and network of it all. A brain has the ability to create the illusion of choice, decision making and freewill. What is most fascinating is, the brain creates an Illusionary self (or mind) inside matrix which appear to be in control. Therefore, our experience can then be reframed as selfish automated internal projections.

All the reactions and effects inside our brain is also what is behind our actions/behaviour. Our everyday life is wrapped around chemical reaction. So basically when we feel these emotions like love, anger and happiness it is only a chemical reaction in our brain.

Today, man has grown in population. We have grown into family, clan, society, village, town, city, province/state and countries. Each territory and political boundaries create laws and moral standards for individual therein. Set aside also are those that execute laws while some make judgement for or against actions. In this case, behaviour, law execution and the judicial action can be view as chemical reactions.

The question is, every actions whether when we intend or not; acted morally or not; it is legal or illegal; some took it as fair or barbaric; smartly undertaken or uncivilized; it is killing, stealing, raping or saving life, giving arms or marry following due process, it is all effects of chemical reactions. Should we morally judge for chemical reaction effects?

Should we be held responsible for our actions?



Also, on God's judgement, what would God Judge; is it our illusionary self and mind created by our Brain or the chemicals that reacted together?

Ubenedictus: hehehe,

first my bible doesn't say not to render worship to any other but yahweh,

Dont make me believe you aint reading your bible.

Exodus 34:14, Jeremiah 25:6 and 2 Kings 17:38-39 is clear enough and points out your claim is wrong.

Ubenedictus: if it says so then it will contradict the commandment "honour your father and your mother". (the benefit of using an old bible)

The same bible that asked you to hate your father and mother (Luke 14:26)?

Ubenedictus: my bible say to not adore any other but yahweh, to serve no other "supposed gods".

Actually, you do against the indoctrination.

You adhore/serve your parents, country and so many other things.

I wonder why you refused to tell me why 'adore' is designated for Yawheh and not other Gods.

Ubenedictus: Please what is orisha oke, is that not the mountain orisha?
Weytin concern that one and yahweh?

www.nairaland.com/1508769/christians-god-idol-hills

Ekiti don decide na.

They should dance to the tune the big drum they hitted produce.

Wish them the best

PastorAIO: I think you've got 2 separate orisha mixed up due to the similarity of spelling their names. Osun is a seer and scouts for Ori, and he is also the Opa Osun that babalawos have. Oshun, the river, is not the Osun staff nor the seer.

In short. Oshun is one deity and she is a river. Osun is another deity and he is the seer/bird.

Thanks for bringing me out.

PastorAIO: Osun is different from Oshun. Normal s and dotted s in yoruba alphabet. Oshun is a river. Osun is a bird, connected with Osayin. There is no Osun (no dot under the s) river.

Ha, forgive me on the spelling. I know one is 's' and the other is 'ṣ'.

Is Opa Oṣun connected to Orisha Oṣun?



I read just now that there is another Orisha called Oṣun that guild Ori.

I am not holding you about River but Orisha.

Reason is that you know Orisha Sango rule over thunder, lightning and Fire.

Is Oshun - river, Osun - guildian of Ori, Osun - Bird and Opa - Osun all ruled by Orisha Oṣun?

PastorAIO: Just one little word of correction. I believe that the Osun referred to in that statement is not Oshun the River but rather the powder Iyere Osun. It is got from the bark of the Osun tree. It is yellow/red in colour and is supposed to help with pregnancy.

Thanks for pointing that out.

But if i may ask, are Osun tree, Osun staff, birds and Osun river not all wrapped into Orisha Osun?

Best of luck to the people of Kaduna

#FashPlsBeOurPresident


Fashola achievements is enough to make us Nigerian beg him to become our president.

koboko69: Exactly my thoughts. As soon as they realised she had tweeted about it, they sharply released her. Their plan was to make her miss her flight.

Maybe the perceived Jonathan image would be 'worldwidely' demented again after wasting billions reshaping it.

Afterall DSS is JSS (Jonathan security service), objectively set for harrassing opposition

alabiyemmy: Is she the first to be questioned by the DSS?

What is she questioned for? Mind telling us and also state the reason why DSS didnt mention why she is been questioned?

Is this not the same people that said they didnt arrest and detain Oby yesterday?


Ogar should pls stop reading her malicious script to us. That script is good only to the listening of GEJ and all the crooks in his camp.

We already have some gullible one who think Oby was not arrested or delayed. Some believe she was delayed for 5 mins while some believe it was all routine check.

I sometime think SSS should be rename to JSS (Jonathan Security service) since their objective is known to be harrassing opposition.

ogele: Part of the PDP lairs team are now in APC, so how does it make ApC better.. I lost my regards for APC when they open their doors for PDP vagabond. Today they have render APC useless. Some of them are moles... Labour and APGA is d best.

Did I tell you I am afflicted to any political organisation?

Ubenedictus: Ok, i can define worship as honour, veneration, adoration admiration....

So yes we worship many things, even those who are monotheistic worship their parents, their friends...etc.

I differ from your position in some points, i'm sure you know i don't consider the universe and situations to be conscious. Thus i don't believe in orisha. Secondly i don't believe all worship is "godful" worship. Adoration is the worship reserved for God, and while i believe we all worship plenty things, monotheist only adores the one God.

We are not all aborisha because we do no all believe in the orisha, we all worship some things but adoration reserved honour. But i have say it completely makes sense if you believe universe is conscious.

Thanks for your contribution.

But I will like to keep somethings straight here dude.

Be it worship, exalt, veneration or adoration, it is written in the bible that ye shall not worship, serve, exalt, venerate or adore any other God. So the question rest on what God is? What does the bible say God is? Is there any speciality in God spelled with small case?

If you claim not all people believe in Orisha which I will take as wrong, you hold that you and some people believes in Yahweh. . . .do you know that Yahweh is Orisha Oke? Orisha Oke is much recognised in Abeokuta.

When we are discussing about Orisha, there is no way you can claim some people disbelieve in it. You can only negate some Orisha but you cannot disbelieve in your own Ori. Can you?

Also, is there any speciality in adhoration? What is the difference between adoration (godful worship) and worship? And can you show me how adhoration is resevered for Yahweh (Orisha Oke) and not other Orisha?

Oduduwaboy: it cant be said better than this joor!
Man made the gods! Where is Zeus?where is Apollo? where isPoseidon? where is sango? where is Ogun? where is Sanpoona(smallpox) that was killed by Edward Jenner's vaccine ?
Infact, am beginning to think that man is God.Even the bible says so.

So there has been no Iron (Ogun) before man?

So there has been no thunder and lightning before man?

So chicken pox was created by man?


Man made God and yet again God is Man. . . .who then made man? You guys are deep trapped in confusion.



Yoruba spirituality holds that Ogun made strenght and bone in Man which is evident and can be proven. But you think man made Ogun. . . .pls how did man made Ogun?

We believe Sango is the master of brilliance and good sight in Yoruba spirituality. This can be proven. How did we create Sango, mind explaining?


In short what is God?

Apatheist: The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself. - Richard Francis Burton

Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent. - George Weinberg,

This man that find it hard on defining Consciousness and cant explain how man consciousness creates still go at all lenght quoting some irrelevant words of man like him to shout Man created God?

I mentioned just only one God which is Iyale (Mother Nature) and you are yet to tell us how Man created Nature/Earth. Or maybe I should help you to define 'create'.

You have failed to even go little down defining what awareness and reaction is. You are quick to dismiss a definition of interaction when actually you cant tell us what it is.

Yet you still rant around that God was created by man (almighty science self said energy cannot be created when the physical world is all energy). If energy can be created, show me how and I will bounce back.

where did you get your own theory of man creating God?

Mind explaning?

Save us all this lies Metuh. You can only repeat thos lies to your master GEJ and not us

Apatheist: What the fvck?




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MR. I know where your itch is which is the reason I choose to make you scratch it more and more yourself.

I have defined consciousness as 'awareness and reaction'.

Can you help us with the defintion of awareness and reaction; then show us how your definition does not extend to vase and car?

Apatheist: attention is not respect, gaddemit! Bring the dictionary definitions for both and compare.

much respect, special observation and showing deference are all respect/reverence.

Barbara Brown Taylor defines reverence as the practice of paying attention.

Here is a good instances:

This week we engage [b]the spiritual practice of paying attention, sometimes known as practicing reverence.

Reverence means to stand in awe. Reverence is the feeling of being a part of something bigger than yourself. The act of reverence is to look deeply, to pay attention with your heart and to be moved by the experience. Reverence means you have become entirely captured by the present moment.

For just a few minutes you are not looking through things, or around things or past things to the next thing.

Anything can become a sacrament. All you need is a body on this earth, willing to notice where it is, trusting that even something as small as a hazelnut can become an altar in the world. (Barbara Brown Taylor – An Altar in the World )

Here are a few ways to engage this practice:
1. Sit on the ground, in your garden, by a pond, in the forest, on your lawn and for twenty minutes just take in the world that exists in the three square feet of earth in front of your, and pay close attention to whatever lives in that small estate of God. It won’t take long before you begin to see SOUL in the pebbles, the reeds of grass, the ants . . . .[/b]



http://fairfieldunited.ca/contemplation-cafe-practice-paying-attention/

Reverence, respect, paying attention and observance are the same.

Apatheist: I give up!!
Believe whatever you want.

how does this negate what I said interaction is?

Apatheist: Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored
- Aldous Huxley

Come up with something from your brain and stop stalking me with peoples quote.






What is consciousness?


Je ka tun sha

Apatheist: From the Wikipedia article :

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism
Read the article.
You say the self does not exist, but is am illusion. Solipsism holds that any other thing does not exist save the self, that only the self is real while every other thing is illusion created by the mind of the self/consciousness.

oh


from consciousness to mind?

Your mind is the illusionary self of yours living in the world of reality created by your brain.

That is the matrix of life.


Provide here how your consciousness created NATURE.

Those things you have there is not holding water.

Apatheist: They're the same. Thinking and awareness are cogent and stem trim the same source: consciousness.

All you listed there is mere chemical reaction.

It is all illusion MR

Apatheist:



Dafuq? What part of friction don't you understand? So, if I hit you with a vase, and the vase breaks, it means the vase is conscious and aware because according to you "if it is not aware, it cannot react"
Good to know my car is aware also. Maybe I'll convince it to run without fuel! Since it's aware.
If only I can figure out the language it speaks...

Oh

The vase breaks (react) becuase it toches me (aware, can perceive solid matter); therefore it is conscious,

your car would be aware there is no fuel (dont you have fuel guage in the car which it communicate with you from) so it cannot react to mechanical movement.


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Apatheist: What the fvck is this?!
Definition of veneration :
According to you, observing poo is respecting it o ma se o. Eleyi gidi gan.

Are you not giving much attention to what you observe or you think respect means only kneeling down?

Apatheist: Quantum Physics says everything is made of energy. www.thehealersjournal.com/2013/05/05/quantum-physics-explain-how-everything-is-made-of-energy/
What is conjecture is you saying energy is conscious.

Stop seeing conscious as Sentience. Conscious means being aware and reacting.

Is energy not reacting?

Apatheist: You said: This is conjecture. You have to prove it.
Explain "interact" in context.

INTERACTION is defined as 'act in such a way as to have an effect on each other'.

Apatheist: Your the one that is joking!

Dont make me laugh with phone abeg

princenayo: Arrested for how many minutes and yet she was able to board.

Because there is no ground for holding her back

Apatheist: No, our consciousness did.
Nature exists because we perceive/observe it.
Cogito ergo sum - Descartes. I think, therefore I am.

Your consciousness created nature and earth? This guy is smoking o.

Pls save that quote for another days you can use it for religious folks. . . . .there is nothing like 'I', 'me' or 'self'. . . .it is all illsuion created by the brain.

Now pls explain how your consciousness created NATURE