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Can you pls define what 'spirit' and 'world' is to you?

Lets have meaning to each of your word, this would help us understand what the compound is

GooseBaba: Aunty oloriburuku vermin....as you can see this is a thread for Orisha lovers, Aborisha sharp sharp all day everyday...

I guess I fell for your arrant madness.however, After listening to good counsel. I shield my honorable axe...

The Gods are wise....may we not dine with dead body worshippers... Ase

May we not dine with lost souls enslaved in the wilderness of ignorance, the conquered land of christ[b]insanity.[/b] Christ which is kristo in greek, Chi in Igbo and Ori in Yoruba has being called upon by the sheeple; yet again cursed her Ori, Chi in Igbo, Kristo in greek and Christ.

May we not be confused like them.


Equip us with knowledge Orunmila

Equip us with enlightenment of your glorious tree (Tree of life) Obatala

Clear for us our paths Ogun

Sail us save our Ori


Ashe

This is what some poeple do not understand. On the thread I created some weeks ago titled 'We are all Aborisha', going by what you have here, we at least, worship ourself. . . .confirming that we are all Aborisha.

Most of the doctrines, system of believe and faith of Christianity and Islam stem in ancient spirituality. What is fasnitating is that Orisha system have all these concept embelled in it.

Orisha A gbe wa

GooseBaba and my big brother Macof, can you pls ignore this lady for the sake of sanity. She is ignorant about Africa spirituality and knowns close to nothing of the Yoruba conceptual aspect of it.

Lets learn to ignore those that cant argue objectively except resorting to Insult. Being A yoruba, we aint taught to insult others, that is why Omo Iya meji njeun ninu akoto ototo. Given the gal attention she yarn for would lead to derail of this thread. This thread is opened for learning. Atheists have agreed they are Aborisha, Some christians have too though partially while Ube who tried to disagree got trapped even in the christiandom he ran to. Muslims are the expected ones expected here to give their own view. . . . .not some brainwashed gal.

I have tried personally to extend my honour to her Dad and families. Let her shout evil this and that, lets just ignore her. . . . .

Ubenedictus: i could say the very same thing about you.

You can but actually do not because you know your trait; dishonesty and cunny

Ubenedictus: you mean as you were blind to the fact that yahweh is also God of all living things, God of thunder and wind and God of all creation?

And he inherited what he owns (the all), the father of all choose ONLY his people. He received allotment of land and manifest before his ancient ones (Elders).

Can you inherit what you rightfully owned or created? Why did your own God of all choose to inherit what he owns?

He own Israel his people because he inherited them.

He own a piece of land in the desert alloted to him by someone.

Hope you know what allotment and inheritance is?

Do you know what ownership and means of transfering ownership is?

Lets agree Yahweh own the hill country and the inhabitant of the land he inherited, how does Israel and Israelites equates to ALL?

Can you quote where and when He inherited ALL?


Allotment and His portion of land is Israel. When did portion becomes whole?


These are the question posing your stand wrong, you blind to seeing it, not only that, you are not honest to fact and possibly and shamefully ignorant.

Ubenedictus: actually you decided to pick one and throw away others, the first explanation wiki gave of el shaddia is from the semitic, it means "distroyer", they went further and traced the root of the word, they said it comes from sadad, meaning mighty or strong and that the ai is honorific.
They then traced the word el shadia from the arabic word "shadu" meaning hill, then they traced it to mean fertility.

What are the synonyms of Rock, Mountain or stone? Are they not related to fertility, destruction, protection, might or strenght? Are all these synonyms not boiling down to Rock/Stone/Mountain?

Hypocrisy is the best next tag that could fit in for you.

Did I not relate on this thread Stone/Mountain to fertility, strenght and destruction?

That aside, where did you keep your logic and reasoning which could have make you relay Stone, Mountain to Strenght, Ferility and destruction?

It like saying white represent purity, wealth and peace. You choose to hold the representations while I hold onto WHITE COLOR.

Ubenedictus: All in all, wiki provides 3 distinct and probable explanations for shaddia, you picked the arabic one and said it means mountian, i picked the semitic one, cos the old testament is a semitic book and said the mighty one is the correct meaning.

Ignorance again

Rock also mean strenght or might.

There is no way you twist it, you find yourself trapped in ROCK.

Ubenedictus: So explain how i picked only what i wanted to see and you didn't?

You picked a separate word rooten in the word you dont want to accept thereby creating a invisible fence that only exist in you mind just because you only want to romance fantasy words.

Stone = Strenght, Protection, Destruction, Strong or Might.

Just like White represent Peace.



Go round in the rat race, you end in the beginning all over and over.

Let me take you through the path of enlightenment.

Rock is defined as the mineral material of the earth's crust, exposed on the surface or underlying the soil; it is a mass of property out of the ground or water.



In the contextual implication;

- His marriage is on the rock.

Rock here mean In difficulties, In trouble, Breaking up, Destroyed, In tatters, Ruined. (does this not equate to the root Destruction or destroyer you choose to pick?)


- He was the rock on which they relied, they would have been consumed in the war.

Rock here mean Support, prop, Might, Tower of strenght, Anchor or Benchmark (Is this not same as Might you choose to hold on?)


Rock informally mean Testicles or Orgasm

- Get ones rock off

Rock here mean sexuality (Is this not fertility?)


At the end, we touched the beginning.

Ubenedictus: actually i am hardly denying anything, instead i am affirming that yahweh is God of all, both mountain, wind and thunder and living things and the whole earth.

You werent denying but when I cited a syrian servant militia strategic advice, you quickly call him names. The syrian servant called Yahweh God of the hills and there are evidences presented to round up his claim as fact. Some of which are Name root meaning, Biblical evidences from his dwell, power and manifestions. Did you not deny this?



Yahweh is Orisha Oke. . . . . You are an Aborisha.

macof: The same Bible has been used many times to prove Yahweh is a mountain god upon the fact that the Bible authors were cons..all things can't be hidden

The person you quoted is more con than the bible author.

Could you believe he said the God of ALL chose to INHERIT Israel? How can someone inherit all again what he owns?

Bible said Yahwheh would manifest before HIS ELDERS or ANCIENT ONES. but tht bible twister here said God is the Supreme while he still has Elders.

He chose to believe in the errors from mistranslation of the ancient manuscript where Elohim (a plural word) is replaced with God (a singular word).


His own God is the father of lies and confusion. . . .and he is well trapped in

macof: Are you saying Yahweh never dwelled on mt Sinai
read exodus 20, right before yahweh made the speech that became the 10 commandments ( very funny that Yahweh can speak in human language directly to a whole congregation, some silly cartoon story we have in the Bible )

Ur god is also said to take mt zion as his home..

shaddu/shaddai means "mountain" and it has been the name of ur god for over 5000yrs
you are only in denial and afraid of truth...the truth kept from u since you were a child

Guy na Ubenedictus you dey stress for here?

The guys is a cunny and not honest at all.

On the issue of Yahweh being the God of the hills/mountains, I have presented lot of evidences but he seem to be blind from it.

Even from wikipedia, he tried to pick only what he wants to see. I kept wondering if 'Almighty' which is stated as a 'conventional attribute' to Shaddai could cloud someone like him. Even I tried to relay strenght to hard surface of Rocks. . . .but no, his mind is closed and wouldnt like to admit the fact.

He can keep denying the glaring facts, Yahweh is Orisha Oke and Ubenedictus is an Aborisha.

I dont have father. I only have a man who manned his wife and have me in the middle.

Ubenedictus: it is clear that you have made your own conclusion even against all facts.

No and No.

You cant throw accusations when you know within yourself that you are not honesty in this discussion.

Starting from how you want me to see white as blue, how you closed your mind on every truth and look away from glaring evidences.

Ubenedictus: I provided passage that show that yahweh is God of all living things, of both the winds, the cloud and the sea. But ofcourse you weren't interested in the truth.

Do I need to ask how this adressed any of my points?

I will repeat, you are not honest and would be proud to show you how.

God in every English bible translation originate from different root, has different meaning and applications. Which mean that it does not necessarily mean Yahweh. El appears in the bible in different occasions as God but in reality, he is the father of all God. He is called the Most high. Psalm 82 reveal that El and Yahweh are different beings. Yet you are blind to this.

Another good example is Elohim which is pluralised, means Children of El. It is written in the scripture that Hear O Israel, Our Elohim is one. In many translation, it is Hear O Israel, our God is One. Here Elohim is singular, translated as God and in some cases, Jehovah and Yawheh.

Can you see the confusion?


Let me take the word from your signature. 'the word was with God and the word is God.

Meanwhile in the original greek, we have ‘God’ in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’ (‘theos’) and in other places, (even in the previous phrase, ‘and the Word was with God’ (‘theon’). And here in your signature, you have the both as God. Meanwhile, thwy are different.

What is the root of the God in the bible context you ascribe to Yahweh?

Do you convince me when God is mentioned, it is Yahweh and not El or Elohim?

Ubenedictus: I quoted the passage were it say the king of syria "harkened to his servant" and he lost and ofcourse you claim you didn't see it.

Where is the verse, show it here.

Show us where it is said the war was fought on plains.

Ubenedictus: My dear i love a discussion, most times i appreciate a debate. This is simply insincerity to defend your erronous conclusion. You simply decided to ignore every thing else to hold on to your conclusion.

Now i know i wasted my time, have a nice day.

Runaway!

This is really bad.

I extend my Condolence sir

hunter21: i once wrote that:

what i forgot to add is that there are also alien/extrateresstial manifestation of orishas, some are benevolent and some are rather malivolent in their relationship with the human race. unfortunately, some malivolent ones are being wrongly worshipped in some religiions as GOD. and they feed off the negative emotions such as fear and depression of members of those religions.

Alien manifestation like what? Do you mean Alien came from another planet to earth?

If I am going to get you well, by manifestation, do you mean each entity which human are included contain much Ashe-Orisha than others?

jayriginal: Mazaje comes to Nigeria quite often and indicated interest in testing with a goat or some other live animal. How far did you guys go with that?

No success yet due to some condition he understand only.

bolaino: Mr Aborisha, I greet you, I don't know what to say to you, but please do not use quarrel to come and scatter my thread oo, na beg I dey, I no get power reach you oo.

Aguntan

bolaino: I believe in the yoruba idea of God, olodumare, the infinite creator, whose consciousness knows no bound. The creator of everything thing on this universe.

Hey stop it here.

During the days of your conversion, you were shouting Yahweh this, Jehovah that. You blend more toward Judeo-christian faith system. What baffles me now is how you get into Orisha system.

Do you know that Eledumare do not even care about you, your belief or faith?

Why and why? Why do you believe in a being that do not care about you?

macof: Folykaze my brother.. You get time.
Aren't these ones lost course with holes at d back of their heads??

This is wat happens when u fail to seek knowledge about your ancestors and their ways.

Orisha are aliens wetin I no go see

Omo Iya, if you really want to laugh, nairaland is the best place to be.

Though I respect ifeness so much. I have learnt alot from him on this forum. So also from many others. But he got it wrong completely on this

jayriginal: So FOLYKAZE GhostofSparta and any other adherents of the so called "YAS" (Yoruba Advanced Sciences).

Comments?

Also you see why I insist that these things not be tested on humans?

Ghostofsparta once asked a question. He said, would yyou as a teacher pour acid on your student to test acid potency?

Ya you got a point there. And I dont even think you are the one that raised it first though kudos for bringing it once again.

I dont think I have to worry about bullet proof charm again since no one is ready for the testing. We have to move on.

Thanks

wiegraf: Identical twins share DNA and guess what? They have different fingerprints. Similar to each others, yes, especially when compared to other people's, but nevertheless still clearly different.

These and other subtle differences begin to appear right from when those fetuses are in the womb; they are born with different fingerprints etc. One may receive more of nutrient x and therefore develop trait y more so than his twin. They may be twins but they go through different experiences.

So to answer your question; the environment.

On a related note, that's why we humans strive to ensure the best possible environment is available to nudge one into making the 'right' choice. For example, prisons aren't useful to many (sane) folk for punitive reasons; they are primarily necessary as means to build and environment which would make others think twice before committing a crime, ie, prevent future crimes. And of course, though often a failure in this regard, they attempt to rehabilitate, to 'better' the inmate (this made more difficult because prison isn't supposed to be a holiday, else people would be committing crimes just to get in! And 'rough' treatment does not typically produce the best results). That's what's it's about; building a safe environment, safer society

And back to the main issue, let's not forget you're talking about brains here, very likely a chaotic system. Which makes them, like the weather, completely unpredictable. Not even a theoretical perfect computer could make accurate predictions. The slightest change between a chemical in twin A from twin B could lead to drastically different results. We still don't know how the brain works so that's not a definite (but very, very likely). And if QM weirdness is indeed correct, compounding on this already chaotic systems? Well, I hope you can see the implications.

Doesn't mean twins won't usually be rather similar overall a lot of the time, but like their fingerprints they would ultimately be different. Always

And I just wasted time I don't have...kudos

This guy?

Well excellent.

rationalmind: Good.

While I agree with part of your argument that actions are results of chemical reactions in the brain, I'll go one step further by saying they are also affected by our genetic make up and environmental factors.

Once one argues it's all about chemical reactions, then there's no basis whatsoever to pass moral judgment on anyone as you rightly said.

I however don't think one can't pass moral judgments on others.

Passing moral judgments on a theif for instance will turn out to be an environmental factor which subconsciously influences his actions and that of many others thereby making the world a better place to live in.

Agree with you here to some lenght.

I said it in the OP, the action, law executioner and judicial are all chemical reaction.

But let me ask, in the case of stealing, are we at any point owner of anything?

Like the popular Yrouba saying 'gbogbo wa ni Ole, eni owo ba ba ni bara o' meaning we are all thieves; the person caught in the act is Bara o (hausa word for thief). What I mean is what we own is of nature. It is free for all. At a point, we are all stealing from nature. Lets take for example, a piece of land. Are we the real owner of land? Which mean we are all thief and there will always be thief.

If thieving is our every act, is it necessary to morally judge this action?

Ubenedictus: you are now beating a dead dog. You want the bible to say what it refuses to say. Judah didn't drive out the people of the plains because of their iron chariots that is what the bible say. Stop grasping at straws.

Yahweh is the consciousness within stone.

There was evolution of consciousness within Iron. This in reality would smitten rocks to dust.

Are you going to tell me pharaoh did not have Iron which he could use against Israel?

This is very simple, Yahweh was with his people on the hill because that is his boundary but he couldnt make it on the plains which the syrian servant confirmed.

Ubenedictus: this is just insincerity!

If you wish to lie and say you didn't see the passage then i'll rather discontinue the discussion. I don't have time to debate with someone who refuses to see what is before him.

The stupid servant told the king to attack in the valley and the bible says the king harkened to their voice. And you are still asking me to show you?


If you are insincere then i have no time to waste.

Seriously bro, you were shouting on lies.

I read the whole chapter but cant find where it is stated that Israel defeacted syria on the plains.

Though it was revealed that Israel won the fight, but how can we confirm syrian kings yeilded to his servant?

Where did you read in the bible that the battle was had on plains?

Show me pls

Ubenedictus: where does the bible say "God dwell on sinai"?

Exodus 19

Some people call yourYahweh the God of volcanos. Everything surrounded on mountains. Lol

Ubenedictus: some scholar think it means "god of the mountains" and they wrote it on their translation of their bible, while so many other have consistently held and translated its true meaning, as a word coming from the root shadad meaning the mighty or the strong.

So compare 1 bible against the hundreds of bibles.

Stop this crap.

The ancient manuscript do not contain Mark 16:8-12 but almost all bibles today have it. Does that make all bible right?

Mountain can be illustrated as Strenght and fertility. This I am not arguing against.

Yahweh as the Almighy or the Greatest or Supreme is the itch here.

He has ancient ones or elders

he inherited Israel from Most High.

How can this God be the God of all when;

- His name mean God of mountain (metaphor is strenght)?

- He manifest on Hills?

- He is being worshipped on hills?

- Has his church built on rock?

- And a military confirmed he is the God of hills?

mnwankwo: Hi Folykase. You can ask your questions or hold them. If you do not mind my late response to them, you can ask them now but if you want an immediate response, then hold your questions till next week. Stay blessed.

The question is very simple.

If there is a soul or mind that controls a person, cant it stop Nitrous oxide from causing the person not to laugh?

Tgirl4real: Read my posted you quoted earlier and stop arguing blindly.

I said every right thinking and healthy man will be judged and will give account of all d deeds in the flesh.

The mad man wasn't born mad was he?

Some are born with paranoid schizophrenia.

And from what standard do you know a sound and healthy thinking?


This is not an argument, I am here to rob mind with others.

mnwankwo: Hi Plaetton. Always nice to read from you. Please feel free to open a thread to debunk freewill. I am very busy at the moment but will be a little bit free in a weeks time. I will then address point-to-point whatever thesis you have propounded on the non-existence of free will. In passing, let me say this. Your body, the neurotransmitters, the chemicals, the environment in which the body operates are consequences or reactions of free volition that originated from the spirit of Man. Those who like you claim that the genes and the environment that allow the genes to be expressed are the major drivers of how we behave forget that the genes, its expressed phenotypes are the consequences of free-willed volition. At the heart of this proposed debate will be the origin of consciousnesses and whether or not it is tied to the brain or completely independent of the brain. As always, stay blessed.

You said you are busy. Would watch from the sideline.


Make I hold my question as for now,.

Tgirl4real: Do you read @ all?

You see where your problem lies?

Nope.

Show me

This mad guy http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/madman-kills-dad-scissors-compares-murder-video-game-article-1.1765433 killed his dad and was happy with it. He said he did what he saw in video game but do not mean to hurt. He even saw his dead dad and had chat with him. . . .

Will God judge this mad man too?

chrisviral: And where is your own now, science land...
Have you lost your Mind?
Now explain that question

Did I made claim to science or my definition?

Common stop this pls

rationalmind: That's what you should answer bro.

Why do identical twins with same brain chemicals behave differently?

It's actually a genuine question.

I definitely have my own answers by the way, and I'm intending to show that, chemicals in the brain isn't all there is.

So, don't pretend as if there's anything wrong with the question.

Stop that.

I didnt say you were wrong.

And to your question, I can say it depend on programmed experience whixh will be different.

Answer mine.

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Tgirl4real: I don't buy your theory one bit. Every(right thinking/healthy) man is responsible for his actions and you will give account on judgement day. Shikena!

Ya


including that mad man that kill and rape until he commit suicide.

He will give account of his mad action.

chrisviral: Read it here on Nairaland... let me search for the link

You are looking for nairaland threads. Na wa o. When did nairaland becomes science site?



Here is my definition of Mind

Mind is the illusionary self of yours living in the world of reality created by your brain.

That is the matrix of life.

plaetton: Great Thread, Folykaze.

I have actually been planning to open a similar thread to challenge and debunk this much talked about "Freewill , or Free Volitions of man" . I wanted to do so in response to a post by our well respected MNwankwo about a week or so ago. Like you, I intend to show that man, in reality, has no free will, that biologically, behaviorily and socially , human behavior is only a product of darwinian urges.

In other words, man is simply a slightly advanced and glorified animal, but an animal nevertheless. There is nothing divine about humans. There is no divine goodness etched into our beings. All human behaviors are reactions to biological and electromagnetic(visible and invisible) stimuli to meet needs, deal with fears and anxieties.

All our actions, whether it is virtue , vice, peace or war are determined by the biological and electromagnetic environments combined with our social Darwinian calculus at any given time.

So, for the promoters of " man has a freewill" , I challenge you all to a debate, either on this thread or a new one to be opened.
Cc: MNwankwo, Anony, Deepsight, Joshthefirst, Frosbel, etc.

There is a thread for that https://www.nairaland.com/1475169/madness-doing-morally-free-mental

I am concerned about Moral Judgment.

chrisviral: It's a very sensible questions and needs an explanation, others it de bunks all the essays you have written above.

But wait the other day I read an article, that science found out that when one dies, his mind lives on (are they talking about the chemical reaction)...

From a christian perspective and my opinion to say, Christians call it Mind and science choose to call it Chemical reaction
Let me buttress my point with this illustration

What type of chemical reaction is controlling the Boko Boys?

The same one that controls you to devour chicken. But another stopped vegetarians to eat bloods.

Science said mind lives on? Which science abeg?

rationalmind: The immediate question that comes to mind is how same brain chemicals in one makes him have the propensity to bite and in another makes him detest biting.

Which kind question be this?

It like asking why identical twins do not think or reason alike.

ifeness: your opinion

Olubobotiribo is the Orisha that receive the greatest Ebo.

Olubobotiribo is your mouth and not some extra terrestial being.

You won make I add more? Hu?

*game time

Busybody2: Whaaaatttt, you mean Kamikaze whose juicy gist i have been salivating over is just cold clunking metal. Indeed this proves i am female (ouch) and have fluff and cottage cheese for brain, dang


Was dreaming you were about to regale me about Folykaze as a mystical powerful supernatural being into time travel, et al...tschewwww, ***sighs***

Well it could have been worse and you could have named yourself under the slang definition of kamikaze tendencies

Abeg. . . .

9ja english na him I fit speak