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mazaje: You are very deluded. . there is nothing like christian atheist, it does not exist any where. . You are just deluded, so far you have been throwing and making things up looking for what will stick. . christain atheist is your own making and remains your own delusion. . .Nothing like that exist anywhere. . .

Guy today is monday and I will appeal to you, during this week, lets play mature. Do away with insult. . . .we cannot agree over everything abeg.


If you havent heard about christian atheism, why cant you google?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

Now that we have known what christian atheism is, shall we go with your logic that atheism deals with pantheism which is the reason why we have pantheistic atheism so we can also have christian atheism because atheism deals with christianity?

mazaje: Buddhism is an atheistic religion because it is a philosophy that has no god as its central tenet, most Buddhist are in fact atheist because Buddhism does not actually believe in god per say. it is a philosophy on how life should be lived. . .Buddhist do not believe in god as such the religion is an atheistic religion or a pantheist religion. . .

Yet we have devas, temples, sacred book, practice rituals, go on pilgrimage, believes in fairy tales and go spiritual.

How does the above equates to atheism?

This bullshhiit has been destroyed. . . . . .https://www.nairaland.com/1464785/atheist-why-embracing-buddhism-not

mazaje: Do Buddhist believe in god?

No, we do not.

http://www.buddhanet.net/ans73.htm

What is Devas, gods. . . . .do they believe in it. Yes.

http://buddhism.about.com/od/becomingabuddhist/fl/Gods-in-Buddhism.htm


Here is the list of Gods in buddhism , Yama the God of Death, Mara the tempter deity....Deva in sanskrit means a god/demigod (Like an angel or something). Brahmā, Asura, Śakra, Yaksha, Sariputta, Tara, Kwan Yin and many other Gods are found in Buddhism. Asura means Demons, naraka (hell) and nirvana (heaven).

Mr, is this what you call atheistic?

In Asia countries, buddhism is treated like religion with devotees.


Actually it can adherent can be buddhist atheist but that does not make atheism deals with buddhism with all those Devas (deities), spiritual activities like ritual and prayers.

Going by your logic, does finding of buddhist atheist makes atheism deals with buddhism?

mazaje: here you are again lying anyhow and making things up. . .

Jainism do not believe in any god.

Jainism and the divine

[i]Jains do not believe in a God or gods in the way that many other religions do, but they do believe in divine (or at least perfect) beings who are worthy of devotion.[/i]


http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/jainism/beliefs/god.shtml

Define God, it is still the same thing as the colored text above.



Let me explain. . . . .Jains do not believe in creator God but do believe in 24 Tirthankaras. What are this beings. . . .superhumans!


Here is a definition of God

2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

You even agree they are worthy of devotion.

Here is a material I got for you:

"""Worship is an act of reverence, of giving or acknowledging worth to something/someone beyond yourself. In this way, despite the fact that Jains do not have a central God(s), Jains offer worship to the 24 Tirthankaras.

For those who utilize idols, daily worship may occur in either a sacred space in the home or in a community temple. Worship within any context is called puja. Home puja is often very simple. Often there is at least one Jina idol upon a dedicated shelf or altar. A devotee will shower, dress in simple white or special clothing for the puja and enter the space with “Namo Jinanam” which means “I bow to the Jina.” After this greeting, one may repeat “Nisihii” three times to help remove outside thoughts and bring focus to worship.

At this time, a devotee might bow and recite the most important mantra in the Jain faith; the Navkar Mantra.

Namo Arihantanam(I bow to Arihanta)

Namo Siddhanam(I bow to Siddha)

Namo Ayariyanam(I bow to Acharya)

Namo Uvajjhayanam(I bow to Upadhyaya)

Namo Loe Savva-sahunam(I bow to Sadhu and Sadhvi)

Each of these represent those in the Jain way that have reached moksha, destroyed karmas, teach the Jain philosophy, or are on the monastic path toward moksha. By showing respect toward these individuals, a devotee commits themselves to the path.""



Patch this to the definition, what do you see, I see God. And you?

mazaje: What is naturalism and what is spiritualism?. . .You are really confused. . .How can you say that a naturalist pantheist is a spiritual atheist?. . .naturalism has nothing to do with spiritualism. .

Here is the dictionary definition of naturalism in philosophy which is what we are concerned about. . .

naturalism:

Philosophy.
the view of the world that takes account only of natural elements and forces, excluding the supernatural or spiritual.
the belief that all phenomena are covered by laws of science and that all teleological explanations are therefore without value.

A naturalist pantheist can NOT be said to be a spiritual atheist because naturalism disregards and excludes spiritualism. . .My brother you are just every where making things up. . .A naturalist pantheist is an atheist simple. . .Atheism has no meaning in pantheism. . .It does not apply to it. . .

How many time do you want me to say let this go? You are always find a reason to dodge my questions. . . . .you should be brave enough to provide answer and at least call my attention to whatever you perceive as unclear.

On naturalistic pantheism and spiritual atheism here is a link where the issue is touched. . . . .https://www.nairaland.com/1583749/there-atheists-here-oppose-gay#20736730




With due respect Mazaje, can you pls provide answer to my question. . . .




Atheism does not define what God is. . . .in essense they disbelief in all conception of God.

So are we specifically saying Atheism is a disbelief in monotheistc concept of God?

Yes : it is no more an atheism but anti-theism.

No : It is not making sense to be an atheist to pantheist God.



I have make the outline there. . .. Just choose.

Pls choose your answer only.

mazaje: You are just running around chasing your tail. atheism does not deal with pantheism because there are atheist pantheist. . .atheism deals mostly with theism and not pantheism if you do not understand that then I can not help you. . .I have shown you that some types of pantheism is actually atheism, a naturalistic pantheist is an atheist(no divine beings, the natural world is all that exist and nothing more which is be said to be god). . .The pantheistic god can be anything, it is not well defined and has no role that separates it from the natural world. . .If my car is god then how can i disbelieve that?. . .If my urine is god then how can i disbelieve that?. . .If a dead decomposing rat is god how can I disbelief that?. . .Atheism has no meaning in pantheism. That is why there are atheist pantheist and many scholars have stated that atheism and pantheism are closely related. .You are just claiming ignorance and chasing your tail insisting that atheism must be what you want it to be which is actually a delusion on your part. . .. . .

This is really pathetic.

Going by your logic. So because we have christian atheist, that mean atheism deals with christianity? Also because we have buddhist atheist who go on pilgrimage, believes in devas and all that mumbo jumbo makes atheism deals with buddhism (a religion in eartern country)?

Who told you this pantheist God do not have a role? Your ignorance wont give you a way to reason. . . . . Have I not listed Mother earth or your brain does not inform you the devas in hinduism and jainism have roles? Guy you are just bitter.


Answer my question or kindly tell me you are afraid of it. I am not the one chasing tail, but you are the one hiding yours under your leg. You were the one that said atheism in pantheism makes no sense. Logicboy said atheism is disbelieve in all God (pantheism included) while Wiegraf said Atheist that believe in God is confused. So deal with them and yourself.

Patheism is a believe in God (defined as universe).

Atheism is disbelieve in God. (all concept of God).

Wiegraf said, an atheist believing in God is confused (you are an atheist believing in God (pantheist), also find this God very hard to disbelieve. If atheism is disbelieve in God, then believing in pantheist God is confusion like comrade wiegraf put it and it is no more atheism.

So in essense, are you telling me atheism disbelieve in Monotheistic God oNLY?

mazaje: Doesn't matter. . .There are pantheist atheist and scholars like Schopenhauer have stated that “Pantheism is only a euphemism for atheism". . .Not that I completely agree with him, but sometimes its hard to differentiate between pantheism and atheism. . .A naturalistic pantheist for example is no different from an atheist. . .

This has been touched. I even created a sperate thread on this subject. It is not an issue.


Naturalistic pantheist is also a spiritual atheist. . . . . .and when you look at it from within, an aborisha also. Just different name.


What they do is define God as natural element and univers.

Atheism does not define what God is. . . .in essense they disbelief in all conception of God.


So are we specifically saying Atheism is a disbelief in monotheistc concept of God?

Yes : it is no more an atheism but anti-theism.

No : It is not making sense to be an atheist to pantheist God.



Hope you get me here? What do you choose?

mazaje: You are confused. . .How can you say the universe as a whole be god for example and then claim that some pantheistic gods have roles and are divine? Is your urine divine?. . .How do you know that? What does it mean for a urine to be divine since urine is god?. . .Is the decomposing body of a rat divine. . .The decomposing body of a rat is god, so how is it divine?. . .What do you mean by divine?. . .




Atheism only applies to theism and not pantheism because pantheism as stated by many scholars is a form of atheism. . .Pantheistic religions like janism for example is called an atheistic religion. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
As a religious position, pantheism has been described as the polar opposite of atheism.[4] From this standpoint, pantheism is the view that everything that exist is part of an all-encompassing, immanent God.[1] All forms of reality may then be considered either modes of that Being, or identical with it.[6] Other scholars hold that pantheism is a philosophical position closely related to atheism. To them, pantheism is the view that the Universe and God are identical or the same.[7]

Do you want us to define divinity?

And all you are just saying are not adding up. I didnt say pantheism isnt pholosophical but I said it has theological philosophy aspect. The quote you provided as religion in it. You even mentioned jainism which is a religion. So why would you tell me this has nothing to do about religion?

Let that go. . . . . .can you answer those two questions for once pls? This dodging game is unacceptable.


Mr, I am not saying thiestic definition is wrong or unacceptable, all I am saying is atheism is disbelieve in God (all conception of God). But you seem to lean only to theistic conception. In this sense, you are no more an atheist but a confused dude hanging around an identity which is not yours.. Because in other conception, you will believe in God e.g pantheistic God or spinoza's god.

Secondly, logicboy has said an atheist would disbelieve in all God (pantheism, or deism). You agreed atheism is not making sense when placed with pantheism, so in essense, are you saying Atheism is the disbelieve in monotheistic God/gods ONLY?

krayzieklay: Naturalistic pantheist

Yes this is same thing with spiritual atheism.

krayzieklay: Atheist pantheist.

Platteon claimed this not me

krayzieklay: Spiritual Atheist.

This is spritual atheism.

This is me

krayzieklay: Aborishaeist.

A claim by ghostofsparta

krayzieklay: Haba,Mr Folykaze! Seriously, na only u waka come?? *In Fela's voice* ' confusion breaki boneni,yeeekpa!'.... I honestly hope u find a way out of this your maze asap.

You are the one confused. Why are you taking me for three different person?


Lol. . . .I am Abamieda

mazaje: You are a pantheist atheist, so how are they not brothers and sisters?. . .

Platteon claimed to be pantheist atheist. Call him. . . .


I am a spiritual atheist.

krayzieklay: Salute..... Atheism and Pantheism are just like brothers with same ideas but different concepts. Maybe that's y they tend to go along with each other pretty well. So for him to label himself as an atheistic pantheist is not surprising. But for him to say most atheists are confused, his brain needs to be checked.

Atheism disbelieve in God.

Pantheism believe in God defined as Universe.

How is thie brothers and sisters?

mazaje: You are just all over the place my friend, atheism has nothing to do with pantheism because pantheism has no definition of god, god has no defined role in pantheism. . .Everything that exist is god to the pantheist as such atheism can not be said to go against that. . .You just don';t want to accept that just as you refused to accept the theistic definition of god, to you only what makes sense to you is what is true, you said you are an atheist but a pantheist at the same time. . .That is only possible because atheism has nothing to do with pantheism, why are you not an atheist monotheist or a polytheist but an atheistic pantheist for example?. . .Because atheism has nothing to do with pantheism since pantheism describes god as the universe it self or some other aspects of the universe with no defined roles. . .A river can be god to the pantheist, the sun can be god, sand can be god. . .When you fully define your god and how it operate then we will be able to look at it and see how true it is. . .For example if you tell me that a tree is god and the tree has the ability to protect people then we can look at that claims and see if its true or not, god under pantheism makes no sense since everything is said to be god and god has not even been defined or given any role. . .Under pantheism I am god. . What does that mean?. . .A decaying rat is god. . .My urine is god. . .My car is god. . .Your house is god. .Everything is god. . What exactly does god mean and what role does it play?. . .By the way scholars have stated that pantheism is a non religious philosophical position, so atheism which is mostly against religions theism has nothing on it. . .Pantheism is only a philosophical position and it is mostly non religious. . .Pantheism is considered by many to be a form of atheism. . .

Wont you clap for me? At least for dragling you under my feet. . . . Lol





Patheistic God have roles. They are divine and conscious. To spinoza, they have thoughts and to Einstein, they play dice. . . Lol


You wont like it bloody turn out if I bring in Naturalistic pantheism (Yoruba spirituality) into this.

Mother Earth is a greek pantheist goddess called Orisha Iyale in Yoruba has a role.

Pantheism can be pholosophical but of theological aspect. A case study is Hinduism which is pantheistic relgion and philosophy. I wouldnt start another definition battle. . . .cuz pantheism is religion and philosophy.

Mr, I am not saying thiestic definition is wrong or unacceptable, all I am saying is atheism is disbelieve in God (all conception of God). But you seem to lean only to theistic conception. In this sense, you are no more an atheist but a confused dude hanging around an identity which is not yours.. Because in other conception, you will believe in God e.g pantheistic God or spinoza's god.

Secondly, logicboy has said an atheist would disbelieve in all God (pantheism, or deism). You agreed atheism is not making sense when placed with pantheism, so in essense, are you saying Atheism is the disbelieve in monotheistic God/gods ONLY?


Egbon this what I asked of you. . . . .

Man up and answer them.

krayzieklay: Bro I think u are d one confused here. In short,between a maze and ur gibberish, I really don't know which iz more confusing ( lemme go with the latter jare). If we were to go with ur explanation on this so called pantheism,dat means there are no atheists then. Come to think of it,are u telling me dat peeps like Galileo, Epicurus were confused too? Coz as far as I know,I don't think they had an idea wat pantheism meant.

The funny thing is u still call urself spiritual atheist.. Ur confusion no get duplicate,sir.

Guy you are not making any sense here. If you do not understand something, you can ask questions rather giving me baseless tantrum as a reply.

I dont care who the great thinker you listed are. We also have great thinkers who are theist. So will you tell me they are stuupid like you and dont know the other side is?

Dude we are battling with pantheism concept of God and all ya are falling over each other. The mighty one has declared that atheism makes no sense when God is defined pantheistically. Other atheist have accepted they worship God (Orisha) while the wise one are changing ground (we now have pantheist atheist on board). It is only foolish good for not goon who think disbelieve in the existence of christian and islam God makes you an atheist.

What if I bring in Einstein view of God through Spinoza conception? Ya all are still shaking with panthiesm. . . . .what if I bring in polytheism?


Atheism makes no sense. It is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs which basically suppose to be irreligious or anti-theism in reality.


Oh no need wasting your time, you have agreed that your co-atheist in person of mazaje is confused. What more can I say of someone that is trying haed to look intelligent so turns to atheism?


And if you dont know what Spiritual atheism is, kindly google instead of making fool of yourself.

mazaje: Pantheism has to do with everything. . If you say the universe is god then you are talking about everything. . .The universe isn't a single entity but the sum today of everything including your urine. . .God in pantheism has no real meaning. . .Atheism only applies to theism because theism has a well defined god and places a role for it. . .In pantheism god has no defined role and means nothing. anything can be god with no clear meaning or role. . When you say your urine is god(in pantheism urine is god) what am i to do with that?. . .

Drink it when it is purified naturally or artificially.

Urine is one of the manifestation of Yemoja.


Atheism , theism and pantheism is centered round Theos (god). . . .

Theism is a believe of at least a God. It doesnot involve how many and cares not how God is defined.

Pantheism is believe in God defined as the universe.

Atheism, disbelieve in God (no God whatever even it pantheist or theist. . . .logicboy confirmed this).

Mazaje, atheism makes no sense when God is defined (pantheistically).

Mazaje also confused (do not know where atheism covers . . . .either monotheism only all all-theism).




And Goodnight

mazaje: Just to make it clear, atheism is against theism not pantheism. . .Pantheism and theism are not the same(you wrongly assume they are the same). . .atheism has nothing against pantheism but theism. . .You seem to be the one that is confused bro. . .

Atheism is about theos (greek) which mean God; and atheism from it root mean 'no God'. Pantheism has to do with God while atheism is the disbelieve in God.

In panthiesm, atheism makes no sense. . . .that is what you said.

If atheist cant define his God and separate it from pantheism, it is no more making sense.

Also, if atheism disbelieve in one God with the exception of one God, it is no more atheism. . . .but confusion.




Actually you took double role. . . .no sense at all and confused.





And why did you ignore my question in the previous post?

TheBigUrban2: My guy, sharrap!



There is no God whether pantheist or theist God.


Be throwing nonsense terms up and down...mtchew

Lol

Mazaje, Plaetton and Apatheist are wiser than you are.





Row row row your boat abeg

mazaje: Let me be clear, by god I am specifically referring to the god of mnotheism as a former believer in the monotheistic god, which most atheist here are I believe because most of us were either christians or muslims, that is the concept of god i was talking about. . .Majority of the people here are theist(monotheist to be specific).

Atheism has no place in pantheism, it makes no sense since according to to pantheism the universe or man can be god. . Atheism can only work against theism(poly and monotheism) or deism. . .Pantheism believes that all that exist is god so atheism can not be against that. . .I just do not support you when you forcefully try to claim that a monotheistic religion like christianity supports your pantheism. . .its NOT true. You know that very well. . .You also know that I am talking specifically about the monotheistic god, i gave you the general and standard definition which you refused to accept and claimed i made it up. . .Atheism can not be against all god concepts. in pantheism atheism makes no sense. . .

The bold is actually what I wanted to pick out.



And can we conclude definition of atheism should be disbelieve in monothiestic and deistic concept of God/gods with the exception of polytheistic, pantheistic, Animism, Autotheism, Pandeism, or Panentheism conception of God/god ?? (the one milla question lol)

From my observation, most claiming to be an atheist here are anti-theism and anti- (organise) religion group, dystheist or maltheist. This is the reason why I said most of them are confused.

And again, like muskeeto would say, disbelieve in christian or muslim God does not make one an atheist. No need bringing another fight pls. . . .I will let this slide.


Many things are not adding up with what atheism stand for. I very sure you know this and pls just tighten it to your belt, I go tie you down with that in another time.

Not to derail, enjoy man.

Which of the Elohim are you refering to?

mazaje: This man you no go rest?. . .You don come again abi?. . .You've derailed the thread, enough already abeg. . .You are just claiming ignorance, you have been given the standard theistic/monotheistic definition of god, you refused to accept it and insist that the pantheistic definition is the true definition. . .What do you want na brother? abeg enough. . .

No you got me wrong mister. And this is the reason we got no where. Right I understand this thread is specific for (material) atheist and many would rather turn blind for being spiritual atheist instead of reasoning along with me. I am not here to start debate or engage in endless discussion. Also not here to derail. . . .and if I did, accept my apology pls. So we are man enough to reason with ourselves.


Considering what you have there, I didnt say anywhere theistic/monotheistic definition is wrong or false. Neither did I say the deistic definition you brought here is wrong too. I havent on this thread said panthiesm definition is correct more than others. One of my point is atheism covers ALL conception of God.

In one conception, God is define as Adored, admired or influencial person. So to speak, will an atheist likely say this influencial person in conceptual form of God does not exist?


Let me put it clearer, will an atheist disbelieve in the existence of God (influencial person)?

Going by the case you have up there, are you specifically saying atheism is disbelieve ONLY in monotheistic God? What happens to poytheistic God, pantheistic and other theistic Gods?


I hope you understand me now and would appreciate your answers to those questions.



Thanks

Ogunlakeye Osinmole!


He is the chief of all Imole. .

So his victory is certain.

wiegraf: an 'atheist' asserting there is/are gods, then calling others confused...

Hey Morning.

I think I am not the one one that defined god as adored, admired and influencial person?

And then can a 'militant atheist' disbelieve in the existence of god (influencial person eg Fela)?

Why cant you atheist provide answer to this?

Weah96: You're wrong. It can't possibly be ALL CONCEPTIONS of God. God could be the big bang, or the primordial soup from which the universe sprang into existence. And the definition could remain at that, no messages, books, visions, or prayers required.
God could also be the female goodies. If atheists will ever believe in a God, that moment will come when we're stroking the p)ssy. P)ussy is the best evidence available for God, btw, and no pastor has ever brought it up in defense.

Guy quote me when you have something resonable to comment.

TheBigUrban2: See what using weed in everyday pagan rituals has done to your brain?

Guy, if you dont know that you worship people, money or country, you are on a long thing.



And Goodnight. . .gsy

frank317: If anyone tells me that God is a man or stone, I will simply tell him that I don’t believe that God is a man or twins or fela and move on. But the fact still remains that if we have always been exposed to the fact that human is god in Nigeria, I don’t think there would have been any need for this argument.

Maybe you are not a Nigerian or live here so lot of things would be alien to you. But let me educate you man. . . .God could mean ones mouth. Lol

But I understand that this greek God is known even if you live on planet Mars. This is Mother Earth (Yoruba call it Orisha Iyale) which is a goddess but in reality is Nature.

If an atheist disbelieve in existence of Goddess Mother earth, will they disbelieve in the existence of Nature?

Fine and fine. . . . .you can never tell me Mother Earth is not a goddess.

Now you should know who is silly.

Lol

frank317: Your argument is silly in the sense that you chose to play ignorant of what any atheist mean by God, hence you asking him to give you a description.

I have given you guys what God could mean and it applications.

Why cany you make effort and answer my questions?

What conception of God do you disbelieve in?

Do you disbelieve in the existence of God (influencial person)?

Or maybe you think I cooked that definition up, God is defined as Influencial, admired and adored person here http://www.google.com/search?q=god%20definition/


so as an atheist, do you disbelieve in God (influencial man)?

This is simple question.

frank317: An atheist is interested in the general belive of God which sees him as a spiritual all powerful being who created the world, who can talk, get angry, get jealous, kills, be happy, punishes and rewards.

Atheist are then silly people.

God are sometime personified. . . . .in Yoruba spirituality, I made an argument showing Yemoja is an Icy comet and nothing more. Does this mean Icy comet talks, walks and have human attributes?

Where do you keep personification? Oppoutunity knocks at my door. . . .it is stuupidity for atheist to look for opportunity that has hand and knocks at the door. Same thing applies to God.

Where do you keep metaphor, allegory and symbolism?


If you are looking for a God that talk, walk and eat. . . .keep watching movie. You will find them.

frank317: No one gives a hoot about some people who believe that God is energy or stone or twins so don’t bring that up.

A worshipper of God. . . .

Check my sig. . . .those better than you are fall.

I dont have the time. You worship God. . . .take that from me.

frank317: Beside if you came to convince me that God is man or twins, wouldn't you give me a reason you believ so? How can you tell me God is man when I know man cannot create the world. I am stiil yet to know what u want.

Took much disney film is disturbing you man. So for something to be God, he/she must create earth or a planet?

Chech the definition of God again http://www.google.com/search?q=god%20definition/










hangover

goodnight.

TheBigUrban2: lol.....everyone is showing you your ignorance but you just keep going...

That we cant WORSHIP human like us?

Oh you think worship is bowing down in the church and mosque?

I dont care about people, it is me. . . .someone, everyone and no one

frank317: I wonder why you chose to avoid my first reply to this very post and respond to the second.

Besides I nevver said you have poor sentence construct, I said you were only prettending by typing all God instead of all Gods or a God.

The biblical verse you posted up there has nothing to do with what is typed. I don't know why you quoted it.
Reply to my first response then you can come back and understand what I mean by d second one u chose to respond to.
If atheists don't believe in all the religions GodS which one do you want them to define?

Oh sorry man. I mistook you for that christian dude.

I thought you mean I got it wrong when I use the Gods meaning I should have use gods and not Gods.



I dont think you get me. Atheism is not making any sense. I think you would seen this base on the my previous post where I brought out different definition and application of God.

I know the reason why atheist have been dodging my post. . . .I would have striked but I want them to make happen fast. Here is the flaws I find in the past which still resurface;

1. Atheism is the disbelieve in God/gods/deity (of all conceptions). If this be the case, you cannot disbelieve in the existence of some God/gods (adored, influencial or admired person including Fela. . . .Abami Eda) or Gods (gallery in theatre). When someone claim he disbelieve in those God in bracket, such person brain should be checked.

2. When disbelieve in those God/gods are cut out, then there is no more atheism. Just like believing christian God and disbelieving in Islamic God doesnt make someone an atheist. So when they believe in one God (influencial person) and disbelieve in other God (Yahweh or Allah) then they are no more atheist.


I hope you my get my drift?




Sorry I cant attend to all those that mention me. . . .

She needs most of my time abeg.

UrbanMystique: Why are you guys wasting your time debating folykaze?
The dude is neither here nor there.
He talks like a pagan today and a pantheist tomorrow.
I just think the guy need to take a break and define what he really is cos he is the most confused person have seen on nairaland.

Thanks for giving me the name. . . . .Abamieda.


Guy, paganism especially that of Yoruba spirituality is Naturalistic pantheism.

So you see where I come from and to panthiesm?

In essence, I am at the moment a spiritual atheist.

Google what that mean.

TheBigUrban2: If you call Fela a "God", it doesnt mean God exists. It would be like calling Fela a "unicorn"

You are only personifying God or the Unicorn.......you are using a metaphorical sense to say that Fela is very unique like a unicorn or special like God.


By the way, does anyone worship the gallery in a theater? You are just playing dumb to what atheism and God mean.

You are becoming dumb with days. I cant believe this is Logicboy. Guy pack well abeg.







If you know what worship is, you will know that you can worship a gallery in theatre and Human too.

Again qe are God.



So Mr, take your dumbness else where. . . . . .no time for you. And you must pay for this one I give you.

10 kobo

frank317: And pls stop trying to be smart by being careful to type the phrase 'disbelieve in all God'

I believe u understand how to speak and write english very well. Type the correct thing and put an 's' in the God.
You cannot say 'all God'. You eithe say 'a God' or 'all Gods'
Stop tryint to be tricky or play ignorant for the sake of this arguement, except you just want to waste our time.

frank317: And pls stop trying to be smart by being careful to type the phrase 'disbelieve in all God'

I believe u understand how to speak and write english very well. Type the correct thing and put an 's' in the God.
You cannot say 'all God'. You eithe say 'a God' or 'all Gods'
Stop tryint to be tricky or play ignorant for the sake of this arguement, except you just want to waste our time.

This pikin won make my basket open mouth.

* in fela voice, I just dey look and laughu.


Gods. . . . .

1 Kings 20:23

Youngs Literal Bible

And the servants of the king of Aram said unto him, `Gods of hills [are] their gods, therefore they were stronger than we; and yet, we fight with them in the plain -- are we not stronger than they?


I admit I have poor sentence construct.

Now go and tell those that compile Youngs Literal Bible have problem with english.

Or better still start a campaign for destruction of that bible.






Guy no time for christian. . . . . .






To one side ls

finofaya: Bro, what is stated here is that participants in a discussion about the existence of God need to make certain that they all mean the same thing when they say "God", so they don't talk past one another. That's all. Nobody said the atheist must always define what God is.

Guy my work don plenty. . . .make I quickly reply you.

No matter how you bend this, we will arrive at the question:

what conception of God does atheist disbelieve in?

Human in some relgion is a God, will an atheist disbelieve in existence of human?

In Yoruba spirituality, Ibeji (twins) are God, will an atheist disbelieve in the existence of God?

Let me employ a dictionary here;

1. an adored, admired, or influential person.
2. the gallery in a theater.

Will an atheist tell me God (adored, admired, or influential person like Fela) does not exist?

Will an atheit tell me God (galley in a theatre) does not exist?


The point I am trying to drive in is that atheism makes sense in some conception while in other, it is madness.

mazaje: Nice input brother. . .He is just trolling, i just regretted engaging him and derailing the thread. . .He forcefully wants to say that christianity is a monotheistic religion defines god the same way as the polytheist or pantheist defines god. . .he claims that according to christinaity humans are god, many god exist, energy is god bla bla bla. . .this man is deluded and a ridiculous troll. . .

Lol

These are things you cannot deny man.

Human are gods, energy is god. . . Many gods exist.

Atheism is not disbelieve in God only but all Gods/gods/deity/deities.

If man can be deity, do you disbelieve in man?



That is all Iasked.





*sorry for those hash words I used. Also, I am not trolling, I have a thread. . . .here is the link https://www.nairaland.com/1457170/atheist.....what-concept-god-disbelief , it treated this question specifically.

Also, considering what we have here which is an atheist forumhttp://atheism.about.com/od/whatisgod/ , it is stated there that atheist who claim disbelieve in God must be able to define what God is. . . . .

Why then is my own question a crime?

frank317: I am beginning to think think that you like arguing for the sake of argument. You cant pretend you dont know why many atheist who were once christians or muslims disbelieve in the existence of God. shouldn't it be clear to you that they just think that what they have been made to believe in the past is false and does not just make sense to them especially when they deeply think it through (something the holy books has asked theists not to do)

Friend, we need to make ourselves understand each other. So pls calm down. If you do not understand my point well, kindly pls ask questions. I promise to answer them like I did to that guy in my previous post.

Now lets deal with what you have up there. I can categorically say you are wrong when you mean to say atheist actually were once christian or muslim so at a point when they start disbelieving in those religion God, they become an atheist.

From what I have learnt, atheism is not about disbelieve in christian or muslim God only but all Gods. A christian might not believe in Zeus, that does not make them an atheist. An Hindi might not believe in Allah, this does not make them atheist.

Atheism is the disbelieve in all God.

frank317: i wonder what you really want to hear here. the problem here is not even about the definition of God, i dont know why that is a bother to you.

It is needed man. This would help us with our evalutions.

frank317: I think what atheist as against is the fact that one religion claims to be the source to the creator of the world, saying all other religions are false, claiming that all have sinned, claiming that morality is from 'their' God, claimining that an all loving God will roast in hell for not believing in some words written in the book, acting holier than thou when it is obvious that no one is perfect, the deceit in religious houses and how backward religion has made our society become.

Anti-religion isnt the same thing as atheism. Get your fact straight.

Atheism is not about one religion but all.

frank317: Atheist are against the contradictions in the bible and quran, the misconception and confusion brought about by these contradictions, the stories in the holy books that makes no sense that people are forced to believe, the violence and waste of human lives religion (especially foreign ones) has brought upon us.

Pls stop all these. It is fallacy to me.

Nature is beautiful and as well ugly. . . . .why dont you start anti-nature campaign?

frank317: why are you speaking of the definition of God like it is all that matters... if God is energy, will energy burn people in hell?

Yes. . . .nuclear thermo heat. . . .lol

obadiah, I remember him today.

frank317: do you think if God was just the definition that you gave above and that is all that he is with out one religion claiming monopoly of knowledeg of him, without talking about hell and how jealous he is, without the muslems forcing people to behave in a particular way.... do you think if it were just about seeing God as energy(or what ever you think he is) atheist would have been here arguing day and night?

On this thread, I didnt define what God is to me. Mazaje only cited where I label energy as God. This is something that happened on another thread not here.

I am not the one making cliam. Atheists are so they should define or make me understand their position.

It will be madness when I claim America is paradise when I dont know what/where America is or what a paradise look like.

Let go energy as God. It good as label.

So tell me what you think God is.

frank317: now that you have successful defined your God, does that stop atheists from rejecting the fact that he will burn us in hell or punish us for not believing in him?

As if all religion holds this hell doctrine. What is your problem? Are you an atheist because you are scare of imaginary lake of fire?

frank317: what do you really want here?

Define God. . . .

TheBigUrban2: Guy, I have had enough of your ridiculous assertions.


Saying that God is energy doesnt help your case. It only shows that your God has no existence on its own. Your God has to hang on scientific terms such as "energy" to exist. Your God has no innate characteristics at all.


We know what energy is. We know the difference between energy and a vaccuum. We know the energy is defined by power/force.

What uniquely defines your God?

I dont know where the problem I have with you lie.

I am serious about this.

The logic boy that I wake up as early as 4am to read his post is not you.

What has come over you dude?

Till you tell me, I wont take any of your post serious. Belief me.

finofaya: I'm good man. You?

I am good too. Thanks

finofaya: Well, agnosticism is not the position that we do not know what God is, but rather it states that God's existence is unknown. So as far as a definition of God is concerned, it is no less vague than theism or atheism or others.

If you believe that the reasons for atheism are clear, then you must know what the atheist means by God. Otherwise the reasons for atheism could, to you, be practically the same as the reasons for theism, or pacifism, or circumcision or even for wearing native on Friday.



While the pastor is speaking of one God, atheism speaks of any possible God. It is not practical to define all possible Gods before disbelieving them. It is enough to say that we are here by accident.

You got me wrong here man.

God is broad and mean lot of things to lot of people. Agnostic actually do not know if Gd exist or not. It is very hard to pinpoint them to a specific God unless there is an explanation of which God is been refer to specifically.

Atheist claim to disbelieve in God/god/gods/deity/supernatural beings. This is a conclusive statement unlike agnostism. In this regard, they mean to inform others that they know what God is, what it take to exist and have found out that God doesnt exist. This is 3 cases here.

So to say, it is good to ask atheist what is God. At least this would help me understand their position better.

The questions:

- What is God. If atheist choose to disbelieve in the existence of all God, does this include Human that are view as God in some religion?

- What is existence? Does this mean something we can only perceive with our senses? Knowledge does not even exist. . . . .Sometimes ago, I read a thread where I learnt that we dont even exist. This is a subject entirely which would need a separate thread. . . .in reality, when can we say something exist? If they make me know what existence is, I might blend it with there definition of God and make justice.

- what do they put together. More like reasons twhy they concluded God doesn exist. Something related to this thread. But all I find here is confusion, hatred and irreligiousity. It appears lot do not know difference between not been religious and disbelieving in God. Some just hate the word God while the other rest cant provide logical reasons for there disbelieve. It not about just disbelieve or believe, it is about knowing your ground which you stand.

finofaya: Do you attribute all of existence, or our existence at least, to an act of Fela? An atheist does not believe that Fela is God. If Fela is not God, and no other thing is God, then God does not exist. Fela is free to exist.

No No brother


From the definition of God, fela fit in.

He is person I adhere, honour and venerate so much. He is my God. I am devoted to his music and philosophy.

I idolize him, keeping his pictures on the top of my bed. I want to live like him.

This fit into a definition of God.

Will an atheist disbelieve in the existence of Fela my God?




God is love. . . . . .would atheist disbelieve in the existence of Love?

Someone once said on this thread that God is creator, does this mean bird creating a nest is God. Will such person disbelieve in the existence of God?

I can label anything as God. It depend on how I explain what I mean. If atheist disbelieve in all possible god, then they disbelieve that anything label as God does exist.

This is very simple.

finofaya: And why does your belief or disbelief depend on "how you define God"? You shouldn't wait for a definition, according to the demand you are making here.

Lol

atheist on this forum http://atheism.about.com/od/whatisgod/ understand a God must be define before there can be evaluation.

This is very simple man, I am not here to make a fight with anyone. Atheists are free to believe or disbelieve. But I think when they bring ths to the public, they should at least tell us their stance, define each word and make us understand them better.



Cases like this expose the hell of atheism. Platteon is the only one I find here making lot of sense, the rest are just noisemakers. . . .they know nothing. I was once reading astrology in the bible and it is said that Jesus is Sun. I then asked plaetton if he believe Jesus exist not in historical essense but in astrological essense. At this point, he admitted Jesus exist. When I throw it at other atheists, I received many insults.


If an atheist cannot define their stance, it will only lead to endless and meaningless discussion.

So an atheist must define what he/she disbelieve so there would be proper evaluation.

I have a thread addressing a topic like this. . . . . .but I wish to bring here.

mazaje: So the god of the bible is now sound energy?. . .Are you that deluded?. . The voice of god according to the bible is now god?. . .The word in John 1:1 simply means god's message. But as some one that is forcefully trying to turn the bible god into his own god you anything will be said by you, waiting for you to bring verses from the koran that also claimns god is energy. . .You are deluded. . .

You silliness has no limit bro.

The bible does not say the word is god but God. I know very soon you will start telling me God is not god.

Let me again explain how the word is a sound energy.

In the beginning was the word, the world was created out of it and the word was God.

The lord said (p.t of say). . . . .out of this the world was created.

How can you say something without a voice?

How can you make a voice without a sound?

A word said is can be seen as a word but on the realsitic sense, it is blend of sound waves and the movement of it energetic frequency.

All I see here is sound energy. . . .it has been from the beginning, from it transofrmation comes everything.




In the big bang, when the singularity exploded, was there no sound? Is the sound not an energy?

You can choose to see it from theological sense, that word spoken is God. There is no way you can utter a word without making sound.

mazaje: Where does the bible call humans God? The bible says ye are gods. . .It does not say ye are God. . .Why are you just lying any how?. . .You have no shame. . .

Exodus 22:28, in American Standard Version, King James 2000 Bible, GOD'S WORD® Translation, NET Bible, International Standard Version, Holman Christian Standard Bible and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New Living Translation and so many other translations uses the word God in place of judges.

Are we not going to judge the angels?

Are we not God?


Your stupidity to day makes you argue against gods as different God. I will look forward to the day you will take them as one.

What bffles me again, are you disbeliving in God and not gods?

Your stupidity is alarming.

mazaje: After exposing your lies you are now telling me to get a commentary?. . .The verse is very clear, it says do not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of they people. . .No where does it say rulers are gods, the comma there clearly differentiates between the rulers and the gods, no where does it even state that the rulers are god. . . but as some one making things up, anything goes for you. . .You are deluded and shameless. . .

The God there is judges. . . .and the revile of the God extend to rulers.

Guy read the commentary. . . .God there is human.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of Human because we are called God?

mazaje: Where does the bible say that there are many God in heaven and on earth?. . .Show me where it says there are many God in heaven. .The bible always makes a distinction between gods and God .You deliberately spin things just to satisfy your delusion. . .I actually thought that islam is the only religion that tries to steal other people's god and turn it into their. . Now here is another deluded African trying to claim that the bible god is his own energy god idea. . .

Lol.

Elohim in many places is translated as God. Elohim is not a single person but many Gods.

Deal with that. . . . . .

mazaje: ou know someone that explains it that way?. . .Is that now your defense?. . .What am I supposed to do with what you know which is just a pack of lies. . .I have given you the standard christian definition of god accroding to christian theology and you are here telling me that you know someone that describes the christian god as energy?. . .So far you have been lying all over, from islam says people are god, to jainism saying that the universe is god to christianity saying that god is energy. . .You are more deluded than I thought. . .

This is not the issue on groung. You are the bent to deny everything I have. You are the one denying everything tag as God.

I wonder if atheism is the disbelieve in God and not gods anymore.

You are in position to tell me if human who are called God is not existing.

You are the one to tell me if you only disbelieve in only God and not gods.








Lets see how you deal with that.