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mazaje: All the crazy talk just to satisfy your delusion that the bible accepts your lies about god being energy, so far you are yet to come close or point to any where it suggests so. . .All you are doing is reading and inputing your own lies and delusion into the bible and trying to force it to accept your idea that god is energy. . .Where does the bible say that god is energy, show it or remain a lair. . .

You are becoming more and more silly.

Because I cant find the word grandfather or boyfriend in the bible does not mean there is no expression in the bible having meaning with the word grandfather or boyfriend.

You can keep denying all you like. Bible is not physics textbook where you would find energy. This is the same way you cant find biological cell or organism because it is not a biological textbook.



I have explained how God is energy.

Human are God, we are made up of energy. Energy is God.

Word said is a sound energy, word is God, energy is God.

God is love. . . . .love is an electro-chemical reaction. It is an energy. It is God.

If you expect to find love is energy in the bible, then you go ahead with your silliness.

Mazaje is doing everything to shout me down. You desperatin to bring me down only expose how silly you are. (I am sorry for those words, I cant afford but to say it out)



now I am left with a little space because of epistle. So permit me to quote you in different posts.

mazaje: I repeat I gave you the dictionary definition of god, you refuse to accept it you now say that I should go to wiki where it says god is a mere personification of elements, which is actually a lie because god according to wiki is: God is often conceived as the Supreme Being and principal object of faith. The concept of God as described by theologians commonly includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence. In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe, while in deism, God is the creator (but not the sustainer) of the universe. Monotheism is the belief in the existence of one God or in the oneness of God. In pantheism, God is the universe itself. In atheism, God is purported not to exist, while deemed unknown or unknowable within the context of agnosticism. God has also been conceived as being incorporeal (immaterial), a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent".[1] Many notable medieval philosophers and modern philosophers have developed arguments for and against the existence of God

Where does it mention personification of elemenst you shameless lair?. . .You have been lying all over the place. . .From islam claims humans are god, to jainism believe that the universe is god, now to wiki defining god as a personification of elements. . .You are shameless. . .

Guy did you missed the bold part? And if you read down the page, you would see PERSONIFICATION as a sub-subject. Why have you chosen to ignore that?

Well, I am not here to define any God for you. In the first instance on this thread, I asked you to define God and all you could provide is a fictitioner character you created out of your head just to have yourself disbelieving.

I asked you questions on what you defined but you chose to ignore that. You are here bringing a dictinary. Not only that, you are cherry picking what the dictionary contains.

Did you not find Mentors refer t as God in the dictionary?

Did you not find someone adhere, honor or revere refer as God in the dictionary?

Did you not see an art gallery being refer to as God in the dictinary?

Now do you choose to disbelieve in the existence of God when one mentor, someone revere or adhere as God?

The nonsense you presented as definition contain lot of things I do not understand.

What is supernatural being. Does that mean fela who I ahere so much as my God is a superman?

Who told you supernatural being created the universe?

Your definition appears as Deistic conception. Does this mean you choose to disbelieve in deistic concept of God?

This is what I asked of you. . . . . .turning the table around only make you silly.

If you cant provide answer here, let me know

Weah96: Are you saying that you don't know which definition of God we've been talking about this entire time? Is it so difficult to infer that fact from the replies you've read here?
If you sabi lie and deceive like this while carrying God on your head, I'm afraid to even contemplate what you'll do without the load. Keep your delusion, stay away from me. This is a friendly discussion, it didn't have to come down to infantile lies.

guy this post you quoted was not meant for you. And while you quoted it, your input does not address anything in it.

Try again later pls.

mazaje: Yes. . .You also need to define what god is and how it functions. . .saying god is energy means nothing. . .

I didnt make a claim on this thread that God exist or do not exist. You are the one turning the table around. The definition you provided here expose how cnfused you are. Why have you refused to answer questions I asked base on the fallacy you cooked up just becuase you want to disbelieve?

Go to wiki, God is mere personification of natural elements. Or you would turn around and tell me Natural element do not exist baffles me.

mazaje: You can clearly say where it says the Lord, it didn't say energy. . .God speaking things into existence according to the bible does NOT make sound god, it is just a means which he used to create things, the bible also talked about how god personally used his hands to create humans and animals. . I really do not know what you are saying, you are just confused and trying to push your delusions into the christian religion. . .You are shameless. . .

The bold again show how confused you are. Do you expect to find energy in the bible when it is not a physic textbook? Does it mean if I cant find the word grandfather or boyfriend in the bible mean there is no existence of expression of the word holding the same meaning with grandfather in the bible?

The Lord say, you cant say something without a sound. There is nothing like saying a word. In reality, it is blends of soundwave. That word mentioned is God. . . .John 1:1.

mazaje: And Jesus is energy?. . .According to christian theism Jesus is god incarnated as a man.
Having the same attribute as energy doesn't mean its energy. . . .

Are human not energy?

Are human not called God?

mazaje: Exo 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
You are just a shameless liar. . .Where in this verse does it say rulers are gods? They are not to revile the gods or curse their rulers means rulers are gods? You are shameless. . .

Get a commentary pls.

mazaje: You do not know the context in which the gods is used, as usual you chose to label it energy in your delusion to claim that christianity agrees with your energy religion. . .After all the bible also says humans are created in its god's image. . .Ye are gods simply means you are little manitures of yahweh. . .not the energy nonsense you are trying to make us believe. . .

Miniature of God? Lol

There are many God in heaven and on earth. . . .are this miniture too?

Ye are Gods, we are human, we are God. Do you disbelieve in human existence?

mazaje: Where?. . .

John 1:1

mazaje: Lying through your teeth is common sense to you, well done. . .
You are the one that is confused since all you did was redefine everything to suit your delusions. . .This is the general definition of god according to christian theology. . .Non the nonsense you are shamelessly trying to say. . .
"In Christianity, God is the eternal being who created and preserves the world. Christians believe God to be both transcendent (wholly independent of, and removed from, the material universe) and immanent (involved in the world). Christian teachings of the immanence and involvement of God and his love for humanity exclude the belief that God is of the same substance as the created universe but accept that God incarnated as a man and wants to have a relationship with mankind."

Convertion between matter and energy?

I know someone that explain it this way.

Are we all not energy?

mazaje: Christianity and islam do NOT describe god as energy. . .You just want me to accept your own definition of what god is, but i will NOT accept your opinion and idea, it remains yours alone. . .To you god is energy, fine, that remains you opinion. . .Humans are not viewed as God in chriatianity and islam stop lying. . .God according to christianity and islam is the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe. Any other thing you say is your own making and remains a lie. . .I repat when I talk about god i am talking about the god concept of christianity and islam don't be dishonest by claiming ignorance and pretend that your energy god concept is what i am referring to. If god to you is energy as you have stated else where then that is your business and opinion. . .

Is christianity the only religion on earth?

Christianity define The word, a sound energy as God.

Christianity define human (we are made up of energy) as God. Maybe you missed 'ye are Gods' in the bible.

Christianity define God as the beginning and the end (energy has been. . . Not created or can be destroyed).

Christianity define power/rulership as God.


Tell me all those do not exist.

Power does not exist?

Human does not exist?

Sound energy (word) does not exist?

Or do you want me to bring in other religion?


You make me sick abeg. . . . . .i though you have something to offer. . . . .all I see is confusion. . . .i cant help it brother, you are confused.

Sorry sir

finofaya: @folykaze

Yeah. You know the agnostics here are agnostic atheists, right? The only difference btw agnostics and atheists is that the former do not know if God exists while the latter know that he does not exist. This issue of definition that you are raising will apply to both of them.

Picking an issue with atheists for not defining God when agnostics did not define God shows that you either do not understand the difference between the two positions, or that you have an unfair dislike of atheists.

This definition point is moot anyway. There is no single definition of God. God is as defined by whoever asserts his existence. There are a 1001 different definitions of him, according to the many opinions on the issue. What is common to all is that the God is a sentient entity, and that he or it created us. Atheist or agnostic, neither agree with that sentience part.

You don't expect anybody to start listing all the definitions of God before disbelieving in him. By your logic,a christian will have to list every possible definition of God before denying them and affirming Yahweh, otherwise he does not know what he is saying. Same for every other believer.

In case you were wondering, your God is among the ones that atheists and agnostics don't believe in.

Whats up bro.

The agnostics blend with their knowlege. . . .hat they have on ground. They are neither here or there. So it is very hard to hold them on definition.

Atheists that claim they disbelieve in God are expected to know what God is. The reasons for their disbelieve in not the itch but what they disbelieve in.

You know it will be ver hard for you totell you I disbelieve in a fish swimming in the mud when I dont know what a fish is?

Same thing applies here.


Respect to Pastor AIO. He made a definition on what God is on a particular thread. He said God is everything that has dominion. In the first place, I did not argue about it. I went aheas trying to find meaning and support to what he said. And I found the definition correct with what I fsaw in the bible. Assuming I didnt find anything, I will ask question and expect him to provide answers not name calling.

I am an atheist. A spiritual atheist to be specific. I believe and disbelieve in God depending on how you define God. Fela is my God. . . .will an atheist tell me fela is non existent?

This is an atheist thread.t they claim to disbelieve in God and are entitled to define or make me understand what God which they disbelieve is. . . . .after that we can talk about reasons.

mazaje: I have given you the dictionary definition of god, what more do you want?. . .

Word Origin
noun
1.
the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

You want to begin with our brouhaha that god is energy or the total energy there is. .bla bla bla. You have defined what god is to you on other threads. . Example on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1842303/god-exists-which-one-he#25227468 you defined god as energy .That is YOUR own definition of what god is to YOU and it remains your own OPINION. I have given you the general definition of what god is according to majority of world religions. I don't have time for your energy god religion that you alone know and understand. . .I am dealing with the mainstream definition of god by world religions like christianity and islam. . .

You could have wait until I bring in my definition.

The definition you presented in the first place is plain fictitional. You created it so that you can have something to disbelieve.

Define what a supernatural being is, who told you they created the Universe, why do you choose deism conception of God and if Deism conception is all you disbelieve in.

If you want to bring in definition, why cant you bring in the complete definition. Are human not God going by the definition on dictionaries? Are human not view as God in christian conception and Islam conception you love to hate Do you disbelieve in existence of human?

Many religion out there sees God as energy, do you disbelieve in the existence of energy?

Jainism view God as the universe itself, does this mean universe does not exist?

Mazaje, you can do better than this. . . . . .

All I see in your atheism is hatred, confusion and . . . . .put together.






Goodnight abeg, we will continue tomorrow

onetrack: I have always said that I cannot absolutely disprove that there was a creator. However, my current opinion is that there was not a creator. I don't think god is anything, anymore than Santa Claus. I am an agnostic atheist.

from God to creator. Na wa o.

Well agnostism hold me back here.

Thanks.

Ifunanya1: How do you define what you don't believe exists?

Do you believe in Revensturps? You can't say no until you know what it is.

I'm waiting.

You people that keep trying to prove atheism is baseless confuse me. Why is it so hard to believe that there are people not interested in deluding themselves for mental comfort?

And to the person who asked "How do you decide to be atheist just by thinking?" -- Isn't thinking normally how decisions are made?

Asking me if I believe in something, I will have to know what that something is before I can make a judgement on that thing.

If you ask me if I believe a fish can swim in mud, I will have to know what a fish is and what mud is. Providing answer on lack of knowledge is simply ignorance. Nothing more nothing less.

You do not believe in the bible account because you have no knowledge of what bible entails but you do becuase you have read it once and for some reason choose not to.

Atheists claim to disbelief in God. . .they are in position to define what a God is.

You were the one that said you are atheist because you think. I am also going to ask if theists aint thinking. .. . . . .they could have become an atheist if they had think like you do.


And dear, pls take your emotions eslewhere. . . . .if you cant address my point headlong, kingly ignore my posts.


Thanks

mazaje: We all know what god is here, you want to force your own definition of god on people, no body will buy it. . .Just keep going bolaino if that is what will make you sleep well at night. . .I no get strength. . .

tell me, is there something you are scared of or probably disturbing your mind?

You help proving that atheists here are the most confused fellas ever. I asked you questions base on what you presented and all you could do is call me names, ignore my questions and bark around.

I have not on this thread define what God is. . . .so how could you accuse me of forcing definition on people? Who are the 'we' who you said know what God is? Is it the Deist you are using their definition or theist you like to hate or who exactly?

If you do not know what God is, tell me. No one is harming you for that.


I dont think there is definition for Hateist yet, I created the word. . . .well I found Hatetheism. . . . I think it fit you most.

TheBigUrban2: Or what?

What do you want me to do?

Darteyyyy: These guys claiming atheist are confused.

Irreligious, Hateist, and confused.

You don't know what you want neither do you know what you stand for...

Lol

Seriously, I think I am the only one seeing this.

The very day the OP created this thread, I have been watching keenly but there is none on this thread that have mentioned why they are atheist. I am so convinced too that most of this so called atheists do not know wat atheism is. Some even do know what they are disbelieving is before proclaiming they disbelieve.

The agnostics are the ones making sense. At least they know their stance unlike my comrades claiming to be atheists.

Atheists here are mostly irreligious.

Before someone can argue about God, that person should at least define what God is. Shouting here and there disbelieve about God is irrelevant when God is not well defined.

Lets see how atheists come out of this.

TheBigUrban2: You have gone "bolaino"

Guy no look for my trouble abeg.

mazaje: Supernatural beings that are said to have created the universe but live outside our realm. . .

You know what bro. . . . .

You definition seem fictitional to me too. Appears like something you created out of your head just to DISBELIEVE IN.

I dont know so I will ask, what/who are Supernatural beings?

Who told you those beings you termed as God created the Universe?

Living outside the universe sound like deistic view. . . .is the word God only applicable to Deism?

Does this mean you only disbelieve in Deistic conception of God?

onetrack: No evidence of any particular god. Didn't believe the stories I was told.

Mr

Lets put the story you were told aside. Can you tell us what God is? And how this God does not exist?

Actually, there has been evidence of god everywhere. Evidence of different gods and goddess. But I will like to know who you think God is and how that being do not exist.

Thanks

mazaje: Yes I am an atheist. . Atheism to me is simply disbelief in the existence of dieties and gods. .

Oga

What is gods and deities?

Most comment here indicate some who claim to be an atheist are simply irreligious.

Some are just confused. How can mere thinking makes someone an atheist? Does this mean the religious one do not have brain to think? Majority of atheist here should be tag as 'hateist'. They simply hate the word God; a word they cant define or know close to nothing about.

Maybe I need to watch from the sideline, a real atheist might come and tell us how he/she becomes an atheist.

macof: Foly let's discuss the nature of Aganju, Sango's father.
Aganju presides over wat exactly? I've seen santeria articles saying he is Orisha of volcanoes and deserted places but I think being Sango's father it would have more to do with the Sun

Have u ever heard from a Babalawo anything on Aganju?

Non of the Babalawo I have met ever made mention of any Orisha called Aganju. I know about it only in a book titled Asa ati Orisa.

In the book, it is called Aginju. He is an Orisha born out of the relationship between Oduduwa and Obatala. He married his Sister Yemoja and had a child called Orungun. The relativeness between Aginju and Aganju shows they are the same Orisha having different name.

Aginju rule over Odan (forest, thick bush or wild jungle). From it name, Aginju is a wilderness in english language. When used, it almost refer to an natural uncultivated, uninhabited, and inhospitable wild land or region. So I can specifically say Aginju is not recognised mostly as Orisha by many.

How that relates to Sun or Volcano I dont know but when you relay Aganju to wild jungle, we are good to go.

Bro, GEJ has exchanged those gals with their parents for penury.

Now, I can say there is no gal kidnapped or stolen. GEJ know where they are like he claimed. They are bought and store in the PDP non-official foot soldiers (boko-haram) arsenal.

PAGAN9JA: fvck i-slam/


Paganism came to Nigeria since the Dinosaur Age.

Wrong

Paganism did not came to Nigeria. Everything here in Nigeria, Africa, Earth at large and the universe itself originate from pagan system.

ProphetUdeme: oh Father Lord of heavens and the earth. These have not known Thee but i have known Thee as Thou hast known me and loved me before the foundations of the world... I pray with ur lovingkindness and mercies sake that u grant these people light so that they may not perish forever because ure a God of consuming fire... Forgive them and grant the salvation thru the Lord Jesus Christ the Lord of all. (udeme is weeping profusely).....

Heya sorry.

But you added to the prove that your God (which ever name you call him Yahweh or Jehovah) is the God of the hill.

Volcano is the effect of constracting forces within rocks which brings out consuming fire.

You are also an Aborisha, though you are ignorant of your identity. . . . .

Orisha Oke is Yahweh

ProphetUdeme: Folykaze and ur colleagues. I really pity ur end, unless something divine happens, mark me and my words this day that u will curse the day that u were born

Thanks.

Been in Nigeria is hell already, and I love been here. So I will be fine in hell. Nothing to worry about.

GooseBaba: So all this you speak of has happened to members of your immediate family. Is that why you have first hand accounts of the afterlife or you're just letting your imagination run wild..

guy softly na.

If you are not fine with what he posted, you are free to ignore him rather than directing words to his entire family.

GooseBaba: Is that all? Udeme talk the thing wey dey worry you.. Why are you weeping for no reason..

By the way are you an Aborisha..? If yes, why are you a slave? If no, what are you doing here..?

Can you explain how an Aborisha is a slave?

Hope you have not forgotten that Man shall be like God?

Now we are God from the days of Christ (self consciousness).

We reason with God in the days of law (when we were puppets) after eating the forbidden fruit (moral knowledge).

Today, we are intelligent (ate from the tree of life) struggling for Enlightment (complete freedom or spring of life) which would path us through eternity.


Nothing went wrong, we have been freed from law and now within our consciousness.

I still cant accept this in.


My spritual tutor still believes Yoruba are the first people on earth. He cant explain that further but I hold him. . . . .to dig later when I can

Tolexander: cos it violates the electoral act in one of the manuals for INEC officials that i read.

Anything that violates any act is a crime!

You read where?

Tolexander: When i was watching the mega rally, i told the people with me immediately what Aregbesola said is criminal!

Can you tell me how this is crime pls?

Is our vote not our personal property?

We have right to snap and copy down serial number of our ballot paper. This is equivalent to the right we have to monitoring of election material.


JEGA should not make this election JAGAJAGA. This is not Anambra or Ekiti where they played dirty.

PDP internal crisis erupting slowly

striktlymi: Almost all of them. I know for certain that he is not Obatala. Olorun or one of his other manifestations would have been more appropriate. He is known by very many names in diverse cultures all in accordance with their perception of him.

Whether He is called, Yahweh, Olorun, Allah, 'The Unknown God' etc it matters not really because all still refers to the same reality responsible for existence.

Olorun is not the same thing as Yahweh. You can pls check on Orisha Oke if you need to know about Yahweh in Yoruba spiritual concept view.

Again, Obatala did created the universe and everything there in.

cococandy: Spirits as defined by our society.

Non human, non alien(other planets) form of life.

Thanks for the definition.

From what you have up there, I can conclude your definition do not best explain what spirit is OR you just dont know what it is.

Being Non human, does human not have a spirit? When we die, we give up spirit meaning we enbody it. So I can say that spirit is what makes us living human.

And/or are you specifically saying Spirit is a immortal creature living behind the wind?

God is energy