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obadiah777: you know it Chief

calm your reprobate azz down befo i beat you down like you stole something

My aim was not fp....anyway here is my answer to it as an atheist.....

FOLYKAZE: Many christians are been played in churches and only few took time to read bible on their own. To understand the term called tree of life, we need to take a step forward unto another verses in bible for us to understand what specifically it speaking about instead of building our tales from pastor on it.



Proverbs 4:5-9
King James Version (KJV)
5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

We should understand here that wisdom and understanding is referred to as she....little further

Proverbs 3:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Proverbs 4:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

Proverbs 4:22-24
King James Version (KJV)
22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

There is no any tree anywhere or any Jesus that is tree. The tree of life is wisdom that giveth life, health and happiness. You find wisdom and other things shall be added unto you. It not in afterlife....stop making pastor feed on your ignorance.

have lost count on those the thread was directed to.....decode the above

Many christians are been played in churches and only few took time to read bible on their own. To understand the term called tree of life, we need to take a step forward unto another verses in bible for us to understand what specifically it speaking about instead of building our tales from pastor on it.



Proverbs 4:5-9
King James Version (KJV)
5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

We should understand here that wisdom and understanding is referred to as she....little further

Proverbs 3:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

Proverbs 4:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

Proverbs 4:22-24
King James Version (KJV)
22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

There is no any tree anywhere or any Jesus that is tree. The tree of life is wisdom that giveth life, health and happiness. You find wisdom and other things shall be added unto you. It not in afterlife....stop making pastor feed on your ignorance.

obadiah777: this aint about you. this is bigger than you. fall back and relax.

Relax for my effort and something i didn't beg you for?

Huh....it for your company to gather enough traffic huh?

F you man. I dont want crowd

tender92: Funny question
But its still dat same u dat will call Jesus the LAMB of GOD

Lamb for been sacrificed as lamb were used too.

How is Jesus a tree?

mysticgal: read jhn 15:1,14:6,,judges 9:8,Rev 2:7,22:1-2.gal 5:22-24.bless you

what did it say?

obadiah777: first nominee for frontpage. this here is a cool thread

Why do you make my thread lost it aim?

I didn't beg you for this.

The whole thing now aimless.....im not here to pull crowd buddy

Logicboy.....come over here Ogbanje.

How do you know my mind?

Was thinking about opening a thread for this tomorrow....still gathering some stuff from yoruba spirituality and views from spiritual atheist friends. And you are here dabaruing my mind.

Cheers for this.....we are spiritual

Even though I dont agree with most church teaching, there is this bible verse I cant throw out of window..

James 1:27
New King James Version (NKJV)

27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble,andto keep oneself unspotted from the world.

mysticgal: jesus is the tree of life,he who eats of him will live forever in joy and peace,if you want to see him,call upon him,he will surely answer you..bless you

How is Jesus a tree?

Mind backing your point with bible pls

Licensed-2-Kill:
bruh hold on pls. . .dont go all religion on me. . .me was jst kiddin wt yah 4ss

im not religious. Hope my Azz stink nicely? Lol

Licensed-2-Kill:
Broda of life, in case you find this your tree of life in your honorable quest. Dont forget to share us the GPS coordinates. . .i myt wanna visit there someday.

The tree is in you.....you need to search it within you.

Just want some christians to handle this.....want to see there own perspective

aManFromMars: Tbh, I don't see what the fuss is about. You're beginning to behave like Chibuebem, chasing your own tail and expecting others to join in. Is the term 'nairaland atheist' supposed to be an insult or derogatory?



Enjoy your search for knowledge, bro.

Nothing like insult here Oga chukwu.

Less you forget....ima self made nig.ga...ask ricky.

Cheers bro

Logicboy03: The fawktard is trying to copy me


I was chastising nairaland atheists due to their limp efforts here.....Unfortunately, Foolykaze thought that there is a "nairaland atheism". What he didnt understand was that I was only referring to geography- Nigerian atheists- atheists from Nigeria.

See this guy....

Not really about you. Though you used the term but not really about you.

No sermon today?

Took a glance through the bible this morning, I was stucked exactly at Genesis 2:9, i read little further to Genesis 3:22-24 where 'tree of life was mention. The first bible verse stated that God planted the tree alongside tree of knowledge while the second verse state that God removed the tree for man to search for it.

What exactly is this tree? Where is the tree at present? Is it literal or symbolic?

Beretta92: I mean I don't believe in gods with human characteristics.I was once a born again christian,now agnostic.

We were programmed at one way or the other. Thanks for seeing the truth and embracing freedom for yourself.

Cheers bro

Beretta92: I do not believe in any gods cos I do not know of their existence,but I do not rule out the possibility of gods existing. And yet i totally rule out the existence of anthropomorphic gods like religious gods(esp the xtian god cos i belonged there once). Like Einstein said such gods are ridiculous.

I dont get the bold clearly. Are you a christian or atheist?

plaetton: I understand where you're coming from ,and I agree with you 100%`
It is actually illogical to say that god is everything, and then say that god is something.
It is hard for many to grasp that if god is the total sum of all, then god, as a separate entity that many assume him to be, cannot exist.
This is why I am a pantheist atheist.

For the same reason, I laugh when people say that there is a one and only god, then also turn around to say " God is a mighty God", God is a loving God, etc.

Similarly, telling someone that god loves them is also silly, if we agree that god must, as a matter of law, either love all his creation or hate all his creations.

the red bold and the black seem like contradiction to me.

If a gas is filled in a cylinder and I use little bit of it......what do you call that little bit? Little gas?

Reyginus: Frankly speaking, I consider Panentheism's explanation of God as the most illogical. Just my opinion.

I respect your opinion but can you explain why you said panentheism is illogical?

aManFromMars: Sorry, you're the one not making sense.. There's another word we use for 'everything' - it's called the universe.

If God is the universe, then God is nothing. I've never seen a tornado stop itself, or winds chasing course of their own volition. It's ambiguous to say God is everything. That means nothing.

onyin ara

Nothing ≠ everything. If A ≠ B, then (X = A) ≠ (X = B).
Also, atheism claims that no (real) thing is god, not that god and nothingness are the same thing. Atheism doesn't define god as nothing; it defines god as a thing that isn't real (or, at least, a thing that the atheist does not believe is real).

Quote from Carl Sagan:
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others — for example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein — considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
But Sagan continued elsewhere, "But if by 'God,' one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."

Do you believe God to be a conscious being separate from the universe?

No.... Do you see anything related to this in my post? (nairaland atheist are just throwing straw with purpose of winning argument, you lost on me).

I write my opinion doesn't matter you agree or belief it or not......go figure things out there

We have to die at one form to be born in another....

Im God.

aManFromMars: If God is everything, he's also nothing..

Yes.....outside your brain networking, you nothing and living in illusion...

Adding, nothing and everything are opposite....you not making sense.

Add every particle in the universe and tell me it zero

Kudos to it organiser

Panentheism......

The question will be very difficult for theist.

As for me, God is everything....anything that exist is within space and time

plaetton: The unfortunate thing with human nature is fact that we love to compartmentalize our worldview. in other words, once we call or identify ourselves with this or that -ism, then we become hostage to that box.

That is why one born into and identified as christian or muslim, will fight tooth and nail to defend every situation from that particular worldview irrespective of the circumstances.
Likewise, physicist would also tend to view the universe from a purely physics point of view.
Most atheists would never ever contemplate what are called spiritual phenomena simply because an atheist is not supposed to talk about , let alone believe in such stuff.

Personally, I think a liberated mind should be ready to consider all possibilities, including mysteries that rational mainstream science has not addressed itself to.

kedu kodi bra



this deserve post of the year.

Most atheist here think because im attaching the word 'spiritual, god, traditional belief and philosophy' then im theist and tend to bark at me at any angle even without understanding bit on any of term.

I have seen you on one thread arguing concerning extraterrestial but some close minded folks will nail you without understanding or questioning where you are driving at.

Most atheist on this forum are 'professional atheist' as einstein tagged them who are not ready to explore world after Abrahamic theology.

They are versed in insulting dogmatism and fallacy in theism maybe because atheism to them look like shield of been called intelligent person.

Thanks for your objectivity.

Uyi Iredia: My deism allows for God as the sustainer of the universe. The deism you describe is classical deism. Modern deism is mire nuanced.

Thanks for the elaboration....

NL member: Please explain to me what it means to be atheistic to definitions 3 and 4.

Epic.....we are on same page.

Want to know if you are nihilist like logicboy who ignorantly claim he is atheist.

Want to know if you are atheist because the word God doesn't sound logical and rational.


I agree you are atheist as im atheist too.

(watch your back before team nairaland atheist bark at you)

Thanks

NL member: I am talking about 3 and 4

I do not ask you to believe in God as in fela context.....definition 3 and 4 doesn't inquire you to believe.

The question again is do you agree to that context or you atheistic to it?

Logicboy03: Pls, your azz is stinking of butthurt....move along

lol....

Butthurt by folks that cant define their stances...

In lil-wayne voice......we are not the same, ima alien

NL member: Based on those definitions, I do not believe fela was a god.

which definition? Be specific pls....i mean number what and what

onetrack: I categorically reject theistic gods of every religion.

Though I lack belief in it, I can accept the idea of a pantheistic god. Everything else to me seems unreasonable.

I give you all my respect......

You make me remember this quote..."Theist and Atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name" -Samuel Butler

Im proud to be God.....for whoever understand what God mean in that context, good for them.

NL member: I only show I want to 'disbelief' in the anthropomorphic god?
So who do I want to show it to? You?
What makes you think I am interested in showing my disbelief to you or anyone in this thread?

You didn't ask the question clear enough so I answered based on what I thought you were trying to ask. I am not trying to show you anything.

Erm.....you lost on me.

The first paragraph of my previous post was trying to define your position.....it work fine.

The second paragraph was picturing if you understand the term 'God' in the fela context and it evalute your stances (atheistic or not).

Here is the definition of God from http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/god

1. a supernatural being, who is worshipped as the controller of some part of the universe or some aspect of life in the world or is the personification of some forcerelated adjective divine

2. an image, idol, or symbolic representation of such a deity

3. any person or thing to which excessive attention is given e.g money was his god....fela is my god

4. a man who has qualities regarded as making him superior to other men

5. in plural the gallery of a theatre

^^^^ I know you are atheistic to definition 1 and 2. God in fela context is definition 3 and 4.

Do you agree on definition 3 and 4 in fela context and are you atheistic to definition 3 and 4?

Mr Troll: Tag them how? I don't understand the question?

Atheist or theist or pagan or agnostics

are you saying the yoruba gods are actually abstract concepts and not actual spiritual deities?

From my knowledge.....orisa are not monsters. Check my previous post, I explained orisa to Logicboy..... Consciousness is not monster.

We are mistaking spirituality for religion. The angle you looking things from is religion.....

Figure things out