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Ishilove: Stop being a neanderthal. If I meet Buddha on the road, I will ask him some very deep questions rather than plunge an assegai into his heart.

Sorry lady, you picked on the surface. Go get the clearer picture....this is not about killing. Lol

Ishilove: Isn't Esu that spirit that folks offer boiled eggs lathered with palmoil inside black earthenware pots at t-junctions?

lol.....if you meet the buddha on the road kill him

Religion has infected spirituality and traditional philosophy.

Ray McBlue: An interesting theory. Gotta say that I agree with the Mars part to some extent, but disagree with the rest. I believed that Mars housed an advance civilization once upon a time, until a moon-sized asteroid struck:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/16/article-0-006E592700000258-817_468x368.jpg

https://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18lrwuvxad7vwjpg/original.jpg

From the images above, you could make out a very deep crater that is visible from space which must have been where the big rock struck the planet, thereby unleashing a shock wave that destroyed all lives and properties on the planet in it's entirety.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/02/article-2109160-11FFC45C000005DC-823_634x629.jpg
The infra red version of the extent of the damage on the surface of the planet, Mars.

I believed, on realizing that civilization was about to come to an end, our Martian forefathers built some sort of rocket and on putting the sample of their respective DNA's and that of their animals and edible plants, launched it to the blue planet. I believed that the dinosaurs and reptiles are indigenous to Earth, though and most died from an Earth-asteroid collusion long before man came to earth through a rocket from Mars.

Call this foolish, but it made some sort of sense to me. At least more than the Christian folklore concerning the origin of man.

Bible God is an extraterrestiial being. Read Ezekiel chapter one for more insight. Lol

Mark 14:50-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus’ followers was scantily dressed…” then everyone deserted him and fled.


John 21:20
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his bosom at supper,and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

And
Mark 14:50-52
King James Version (KJV)
50 And they all forsook him, and fled.
51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his Unclad body; and the young men laid hold on him:
52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them Unclad.


What was Jesus doing at the place called Gethsemane. If he went there with Peter, james and john, who is the young man that followed them nakedly? Why didn't jesus pray alone? A man lean to his bosom, and the same unnamed man was following him nakedly: implies they did something secret when they were alone.

^^^We don’t know from the above verse what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and this unknown disciple.
What is a Unclad man doing after Jesus? What I'd like to know is why the guy was resting his head against Jesus' "bosom" and why Jesus allowed this instead of pushing him away like any normal, non-gay male would? If you saw any two adult males lying down in the same positon, what would you immediately think?

An objective look at the bible clearly shows that there is some at least some weight to this gay Jesus theory. If this Unclad man is John, or anybody which is not defined but man then it implies Jesus was a gay

If you cant spell my username correctly.....forget the discussion. Stick to whatever you think.....it your world. Cheers

I want to visit mans. Im getting sick of this earth. Hope Jesus wont appear and blow trumpet on mars too?

Continuation....

Eshu in Yoruba philosophy

From the depiction of Eshu with figures and metaphoric description, philosophically Eshu is Intuition. Intuition - which some call a 'gut feeling' is a form of thinking that is 'non-conscious': you know things, but you don't know why. it sees the big picture. It produces judgements that are 'affectively charged': connected to our feelings, rather than our analytical minds. And, most usefully for our purposes, it is quick. By definition, intuition is a direct perception of Truth. It’s knowing without knowing how we know. The mind’s logic and reasoning processes are not involved. Intuition whispers, and stays indifferent whether we heed it or not.
Intuition gets our attention if we’re listening. Intuition pops into our awareness, but after that, it doesn’t seem to care what we do. However, it is very important to realize that intuition is more than just responding at an instinctual level; it is instinct plus cognitive consideration. There is no right or wrong answer as to how you define intuition; the best approach is to simply sit down and write a flow of what it means to you. However, what it mean to you or deduce about it might be wrong or truth when it led astray - overconfidence, making long-term predictions, making judgements outside their realm of expertise - but it also agreed that intuition works, with the right type of expertise, in the right situations.


Eshu and Intuition

To get clearer picture on terms in yoruba, we dont have to pick the surface but we need to dig deeper to get more understanding on each term. Since you are fan of wiki, then wiki should do it here:

Intuition and spirituality

Intuition is commonly discussed in writings of spiritual thought. Contextually, there is often an idea of a transcendent and more qualitative mind of one's spirit towards which a person strives, or towards which consciousness evolves. Typically, intuition is regarded as a conscious commonality between earthly knowledge and the higher spiritual knowledge and appears as flashes of illumination. It is asserted that by definition intuition cannot be judged by logical reasoning.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(psychology)#section_3

^^^^do you find anything relative between Eshu and intuition? Eshu therefore will be Institution in a philosophical view. Anyway, you think you are free from religion dogma, you are encircled in dogmatism and still eat corrupted lies the western people feed you. Eshu is not a monster or devil or satan.....get that into your dickhead.



Before you start barking after me again cuz some terms might make you go gaga......

Spirituality is not all about bowing to Idol, burning incense and worshipping deity.....The essence of spirituality is the search to know our real self, to discover the true nature of consciousness. It is a personal challenge of reaching beyond your current limits. This can include keeping an open mind, questioning current beliefs, or trying to better understand others' beliefs.

God is not a being or an entity. God is the great positive force, the collective positive force of all that is. To call god an entity and especially to personify god is to limit the concept. God is the Universal Consciousness, the Intelligent Infinity, the One Source, the Prime Creator. EVERYTHING IS GOD. God is All There Is. We are all part of god. All the universes combined are part of god.
In Yoruba, God is Olodumare. Ol’odu-ma-re (ol'- body,,,,,, odu - intelligence,,,,,,,mare - infinitness) === The intelligence infinity.
God also serve as admiration for something.....like I do call fela my god, I call myself God.....it doesn't mean fela or I created the world



Buddhists are by definition atheists - they don't believe in "God". Conception of this God is creator of the earth, higher being, omnis, talking, laughing, walking, eating, fighting.....I dont believe in that crap. people are leaving religion all together in massive droves to follow the PHILOSOPHY of buddism. Buddism goes further to believe in yourself. Ifa is philosophy and body of knowledge through which you can understand nature. I am an African and Yoruba guy....im tend to embrace what belongs to me. Therefore if Buddhist are atheist.....im atheist. Last time I check, atheism is disbelief in God and no ideology of any such unto that. If your own version of atheism is western conception, abrahamic God rejection and science......then thats you, what brings us together is disbelief in God. If you not good with that, go fvck yourself.

@ wiegraf

I wonder the kind of atheist you are if you claim devil is Eshu. This is an embarrassment to Yoruba philosophy....obviously, you took the pride thinking you have broken the shackle of religion dogma....you deceiving yourself, you are puppet and brainwashed showed at instant you said Eshu is devil in yoruba. You are like a kid who whin around with pride thinking he outsmart his parent probably after understanding that term like 'aroden in yoruba' doesn't exist in reality. Little child are sent to buy Aroden from trusted neighbours and what they give in return is headtie wrapped without anything inside. Literally it nothing but aroden mean 'my parents are travelling, take this money and take care of me', the headtie or cap mean 'your child is coming from my home'. Same analogy applies to your pride of knowing all and intelligence.....bro, you failed and if you want to know Eshu, feel free to read through my simple details about it.

Eshu in Yoruba spirituality

In the figure of Eshu-Elegbara, he is the god of communication and spiritual language. He is the gatekeeper between the realms of man and gods, the tangled lines of force that make up the cosmic interface, and his sign is the crossroads. Eshu is the divine messenger, and relays information between the gods and between humans and the gods. A small, very dark man, he walks with a large staff, and is often sucking on a pipe, candies, or his fingers. He the "roadmaker;" he "sets the affairs of the earth in order,....is so swift that he can be the messenger for many,...and can circle the earth in an instant." Eshu's caprice, quickness, and agility of body and mind are all characteristics he embodied, perhaps reflecting the perennial spiritual characteristics of communication. Eshu is a divine mediator of fate and information, a linguist, a crafty metaphysician. Eshu is a trickster not just because he fools people and creates chaos, but more profoundly because he's always escaping the codes of the he simultaneously reinforces.

Also Eshu is always traversing that region of babble, and embodies the hope and the peril of a more open channel: hope, because he allows us to speak with the gods and for them to speak with us; and peril, because he tends to play tricks with the information he has, to keep us perpetually aware that he oversees the network of exchange. His nickname is Odara, which means "Trickster". Among the allegories of the Yoruba gods, Eshu similarly propels the narratives of jealousy and power by occupying certain privileged places where he gives ideas and information--not the whole story, but just enough to make the story happen. At one point, Shango the thunder god asks him, "Why don't you speak straight forwardly?" "I never do," Eshu responds. "I like to make people think."
Perhaps the most famous Yoruba story about Eshu concerns two inseparable friends who swore undying fidelity to one another but neglect to acknowledge Eshu. These two friends work on adjacent fields. One day Eshu walks on the dividing line between their fields, wearing a cap that is black on one side and red on the other. He saunters between the fields, exchanging pleasantries with both men. Afterwards, the two friends got to talking about the man with the cap, and fall to violent quarreling about the man with the cap, and fall to violent quarreling about the color of the man's hat, calling each other blind and crazy. The neighbors gather about, and then Eshu arrives and stops the fight. The friends explain their disagreement, an Eshu shows them the two-sided hat--all this to chastise the friends for not putting him first in their doings. The lesson of the allegory is obvious, but just as interesting is where it places the god. Moving along the seam between two different worldviews, he confuses communication, reveals the ambiguity of knowledge, and plays with perspective. Eshu had shown his unwillingness to carry burdens, as well as his sensitivity to the power of information. Because Eshu is the ties between cosmic pattern and daily life, it is obvious why he would be associated with Ifa which is described as having "roads," "pathways," or "courses," resonant linkages of images and meanings through convex of consciousness and intelligence-- obviously Eshu's bag.

If you take this literally and think on the surface of this allegory, there is nothing bad in it if you think tortoise talk, deceived bird and fell from tree which made it back have cracks.....this might prompt the state which you rally round on your poor thinking by saying tortoise dont talk or do not fall........look beyond what you see.

Continue.....

wiegraf: ......aaaaaannnddd you still didn't answer the question.

Get your eye glasses on next time when reading my post. Were you not asking for devil? How about Ogun, Sango and atheism? Common, you should be more this.

Perhaps you'd like to tell me about the weather in yoruba afterlife next?

It now afterlife huh? Where do you get that from? See western programming chei.

I will educate you on the gilberish term devil you used on Eshu. Thats what you need.....open your mind to learning no matter where it comes instead claiming you know all.....erm you no nothing.

How you jump to your conclusions deserves some sort of scientific study, good ser. You display excellent comprehension and reasoning skills. Couple that with your defensiveness and it makes for brilliant bufoonry, good theist. Far too much for a mere mortal like me to take on. At least, not without a lot of pay. So, as reverse psychology seems to work on you, don't sharrap!

No science, no atheist. Lol....dull atheist priest. So buddhist are in lab huh? Smh

Sorry about the maradona bit, I meant to say bebe, or a granny suiting up against last season's bayern

Yawn...stretching......morning. Have a nice day

wiegraf: No, but it has sango, ogun, ese, etc etc, as you graciously list all the time, yes? Just as xtians have yah'weh and satan, Norse had thor and loki. Children have santa. Do you have evidence that any of exist? You've reviewed the evidence for any, and are convinced they do?

And this is intelligence you always claim...were you not saying devil in yoruba belief? I said there is nothing like such in yoruba spirituality and you here saying NO. Why did you attribute devil to yoruba spirituality when you know there is nothing of such in it? This is western intelligent brainwashing and illusion. You not worth discussing this with.

Let me get this short story across to you. Im one of the type that bash pagan back in those days.....i felt embarrassed when I was beaten with it spiritual meaning and what it entails. African atheist like you are embarrassment to African ancestors, culture and tradition....you can bark when religion dogma showed up by claiming to be intelligent but still walk around with the programming on your brain thinking pagan is all about devil, monster and some talking sh!t who walks around in the night.

You ask for prove on Ogun....here it is https://www.nairaland.com/1394890/real-hero-here/1#17595015

Here is for sango.....https://www.nairaland.com/1447731/renounce-atheism-agnosticism/5#18327019

You can quote bible to disprove Jesus.....let see how you quote Oriki sango to disprove Sango or Odu ifa to disprove Orunmila. Shameless Blackass.

Do you even know what atheism is?

Nope...school me pls.

And this is for my stand on atheism....spirituality and other scum bordering your head https://www.nairaland.com/1403503/bolaino-lets-discuss-beliefs/2#17597456

The italicized, considering the situation, is just awesome.

So, once again, you fail to answer the simplest, most basic of questions






If you cannot answer in the affirmative to this simple question, then you aren't an atheist.

Atheism equals science. So dull.
The nairaland atheism priest has spoken. Lol

This, good ser, is cowardice. A simple yes or no, yet we get maradona instead, needlessly to boot. You don't want to be seen as a theist, why should I care, lol. You're clearly a theist, deal with it.

No prove? Get something better doing.....religatheist. I cant be like you and you cant be like me. What brings us together is disbelief in the existence of God. If anything arise apart from that......not necessary we agree on it. So get a life

wiegraf: ^^^

While this is all, as usual, nonsense, let me highlight the most pertinent bit here





Again, bros, simple question. Yet you choose to dance rather badly around it. Or do you have comprehension problems? So again,



Simple yes or no would do, thank you.

If science can investigate it, good for them.....all I know it that it happen. The rest is your hd.

Why are you so scared of being a theist? Let it all out. As they say, 'tell the truth and let the devil be ashamed', or whoever the devil is in yoruba fairy tales.

Scared? Lol. Alright I am God.....then im theist.

Yoruba spirituality doesn't have anything like devil. Dont be this dull.

Have you so far, in any way, shown how you qualify as an atheist? So, I was.....correct? I called a spade a spade, and you proceed to whine. Perhaps you're some sort of special entity that cannot have his name mentioned on a.....public forum?

You said im not atheist.....prove to me im not. Stop running around the bush.

No, my good offended, I am offended when you imply I'm a 'nairaland atheist'. Please explain what that means, as you've far failed failed rather spectacularly. Why is your juju too special for us uncouth 'nairaland atheists'

So dull. I dont do groupie things. Let it ring to your head. What does juju got to do with discussion here? Religatheist picking everything at his might to win a point.

Lol

wiegraf: I should stop throwing terms that are 'meant for you'. Is this a freudian slip?

Wtf.....you fast on your pc. Thats typo error. I have corrected myself.

lol. So defensive, what are you so scared of? Losing 'e-points'? Nothing wrong with being a theist..

What is theist, and atheist. How does it fit with me?

So, do you think whatever is responsible can be studied by science?

Answers not giving in a day.....let science continue it investigation on it. You can do criticism job while those who are ready for work are on field.

Well...

Yoruba belief.....thats what wikipedia said. I dont rely on wiki. Go figure things out there for yourself. I have explained sango to my knowledge in previous post, do yourself a favor by reading it.

And what was that you were saying about labels? You just created one of thin air just for me? Man, I'm honored.

I know what suit folks that claim to have ignore religion but still see things from religion perspective.... Religatheist

Again, just in case it didn't get through to you, you've said absolutely nothing of value. Just answer the simple questions please, without silly dribbles and slips, else......sharrap

I didnt raise up discussion with you. You the one that mentioned my name. I didn't say im theist or agnostist....you the one forcing it down my throat. Get a life man

wiegraf: You sound defensive, what do you have to hide? Are you ashamed of being agnostic or a theist?

Defensive? How? Im not agnostic or theist.....so stop throwing terms which are not meant for me.

Explain what these NL atheists are pls, as all I see around are..............atheists. Simple. You've never met an atheist? Visit reddit for instance, tell me exactly what makes NL atheists different to other atheists, other than of course, geography, else......... sharrap

Ask logicboy what he called Nairaland atheist. Hence, stop picking draws on me.

Anyways, notice they're a loose bunch as well? We all largely agree on something though, related to supernatural

I dont subscribe to supernatural. I know things are happening in my environment but dont really know how, why, and what made it happen so im open to questioning and continue investigating. I dont think I have to deny it because I cant explain it. If thats what you call supernatural, good for you......nothing supernatural in my world....everything in nature is super enough.

So, do sango et al qualify as supernatural, and were they involved in creation?

You dont know what sango is. Your knowledge about it is that of corrupt depiction by western religion. You need to make a step ahead christianity and Islam. If you think sango is a monster living in the sky....thats your cup of tea.....sango, ogun and ifa mean more to me than you think. Go learn about it before we talk on that.

Whats supernatural in sango?

What the fvck is sango doing in creation myth? Guy/man sorry to say, you religatheist.

Ajibam: am not under any religion, am a Christlike fellow, my CHRISTIANITY is not a religion but a lifestyle of CHRIST

Your CHRISTIANITY is a religion and a lifestyle of PAUL founded by the CHURCH

Billyonaire: All answers are not in anyway attempt at expounding on the queen mother in heaven

Jeremiah 44:17-25
New International Version (NIV)

17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm.18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”
19 The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”
20 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him,
21 “Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and your officials and the people of the land?
22 When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became a curse and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today.
23 Because you have burned incense and have sinned against theLord and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decreesor his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see.”
24 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including the women,“Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah in Egypt.
25 This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have done what you said you would do when you promised, ‘We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.’
“Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows!

Alfa Seltzer: 666

Mind joining the crew? God is on deathroll

bolaino: lol, I won't lie that I like ghost movies, but I do not actually believe in ghosts, but if u believe in ifa and sango, u should believe in spirits.

What ifa and Sango mean to me is quite different from what religion has fashioned and show you.

Ifa is Awakenness.

Sango is electric field.

I wont deny there are allegory attached to this terms, but that is to the level of understanding of our ancestors. Our duty is to continue from where they stopped like science is progressive and scientific works are developed.

Spirit is breathe. Dont get things twisted. You are hindu and would like you understand spirituality

Get me satan number.....I need that guy for something important

Chibuebem: @Folykaze: you insult Jesus and call for evidence of the message at this stage? Then you are blind you see. What do you expect as evidence? Are our lives and the power that backs the word not enough? You want signs? Are the healings and supernatural interventions and miracles not enough? You ask for scientific fact, are the fossils and nature and life not enough. You have enough evidence, but still you reject God's message. I'll keep praying and speaking the message, but its your choice to acknowledge it's power and accept God's salvation. God can only do so much for you Sir.

Someone is blind or probably cant read or maybe lost his thinking cap.....did I request for any prove in my post directed to you? This guy sucks

You asked questions and you answered. If it too much for ya, read it all again with deep breathe.

I didn't ask you about miracle, supernaturals or something. If you want talk on that, get on another thread or create one

wiegraf: Never actually saw this. No such thing as NL atheist.

Lemme see, do you believe the supernatural was involved in creation, and of just this universe or everything (ignore paradox here pls)?

Nairaland atheist not a new thing on this forum......you only want to deny that.

Whats supernatural? I dont subscribe to that. Next

The Christians were the first to make the existence of Satan a dogma of the church. What is the use in a Pope if there is no Devil?

flexshop: the father and the son are one

God died....Psalm 82:7 (bible)

God is dead....Friedrich Nietzsche (philosophy)

God Is Dead - Black Sabbath (music)


Three different angel pointing to one direction cant be all wrong.

flexshop: The book of genesis was one of the books wriTten by moses if my theology is still up to date.though the author of the book is still in dispute, the book combines revealations with history passed down from father to son. Just like other books like isaiah and jeremiah were a mixture of history and revealations inspired by the spirit.

Was the song of solomon Inspired? More like p.orn writings.

How come moses recorded his death, burial arrangement and departure?

God inspired Mark 16:8-12 or it was added by the church?

God inspired psalm 46 to include shakespear? Hmmmm

flexshop: In the begining was the word, and the word was with God.and the word was God. And the same word was made flesh, and dwelth among us. Food for thought

Here is the proof Holy Ghost had sex with Mary which likely produce Jesus

Matthew 1:18.
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 1:20.
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Another condition for Joseph
Roman 1:3
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

When you read bible, put on your thinking cap. Seed is from man not woman.....check that according to flesh. Whats that?

Rossikk: Any idio.t can write false claims in a book and say ''it is beyond human understanding'' when asked for proof of authenticity.

I investigated the bible and deduce that Jesus didn't Die as at the time on the cross, he didn't resurrect and wasn't any messiah. https://www.nairaland.com/1448191/jesus-not-dead-recorded-bible

The church lied in the bible.....moreover, there lies is evident and clear for those that can reason

flexshop: nah, I was giving you an example on how one can make an error that translates to fallacy of generalization.that was actually the point. It must not be the way we think it should be.an Angel must not rump up mary before she concieves?

Your analogy is flaw.

Bible said Jesus was child of holy spirit......nope?

Sons of God(angels, holy spirit) had sex with daughter of men.....nope?

Isaiah was mistranslated and bravely hiding of reality. Young woman turn to virgin.....nope?

If that be the case, Jesus was the son of Holy spirit.

Going by Roman 1:3, Jesus was the son of Joseph. Man has seed not woman

flexshop: That I was born through the normal route does it mean others are not born via ceaserian section?

All the same, two tango.

You got no point.

Try again

Christians get most things twisted. Yahweh is a junior among the patheon of Jewish Gods. Yahweh from the ten Jewish intermediary gods and substitute the remaining nine: Hokhmah, Binah, Hesed, Gevurah, Tifereth, Netsah, Hod, Yesod and Malkuth with Jesus, Muhammad, Saints, Anubis, Angels etc. Yahweh is only one of the ten Jewish son of El. The instructor there was El

Billyonaire: Likely Joseph not holy spirit cos spirit is not physical being but just energy.

We are on the same page. Get me right, I said holy spirit as depicted in the bible.

God in the bible wrestle with man.... Concept of God there is wrong

Holy spirit eat meat and drink wine....

Holy spirit hold swords

God walk on his foot...

Whatever the bible depict or call holy spirit is not my problem.....it either Joseph or Holy spirit had s.ex with Mary

flexshop: this is what I call fallacy of generalization.

You said.

Proof me wrong

Billyonaire: I call my lady angel sometimes and she calls me angel too and we have sex. Is it the type of angel you mean ? Or are you referring to the Lemurians who came from Mars, build the Egyptian Pyramids as flight contour for the spaceships ? Yes those are advance humanoid species that actually cultivate us. May be thats what bible narrators call angels, but there are evidences that they are our precursor and they had sex with humans often.

Whatever bible call sons of God...angel or holy spirit. They had sex