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Billyonaire: Remarkable. I thought as much, there are no doubts that Mary may have been disvirgined during intercourse to bring forth Lord Jesus, which counters the virgin birth analogy but what begs for answer is "Who actually impregnated Mary?"...

Joseph or Holy spirit did impregnate her

Billyonaire: Biogenetics and Natural reproduction are clear. But Jesus was conceived, and Bible states that Spirit overwhelmed Mary. Could overwhelm mean sex? Then since spirit has no possibility of ejaculation then some man must have impregnated Mary. The story dont just add up.

Spirit of the bible had sex. Fallen angels and daughter of Men. That produces Giants....that Gen 6. Read book of Enoch for clarification.

Spirit of the bible walk, eat and wrestle physically with men.

When God walk in the garden, his foot make some sound.

If Joseph was not the father of Jesus then angel Gabriel had s.ex with mary because matthew called Jesus child of holy spirit

Note 1. Jeconiah, who is the ancestor of Jesus of Nazareth is cursed. No one from his bloodline can be the Jewish Messiah (The king of Israel). Jeconiah is recorded in Matthews genealogy as the ancestor of Jesus of Nazareth through his father. Because of this reason Matthew said that Jesus had no father but that he was born of a virgin. He used a mistranslated text of Isaiah 7:14, he also misinterpreted Isaiah 7:14 in order to make his case work.

Note 2: Isaiah 7:14 which the christians hold as prophetic evidence on Jesus virgin birth didn't translate as 'virgin' but 'young woman'.

Note 3: Roman 1:3 stated that Jesus was a product of sperm and egg. The verse said Jesus is a seed (sperm) from the lineage of David. Man own seed....thats what we know.

Therefore, billions of christian have been feed with lies

Pagan9ja


I quite disagree with you with your number 1 answer. However, I will like it if you can explain yourself more on that. Here is my view, some were captured by Europeans, others were captured by rival tribes and sold later to Europeans for guns and other goods. Some of the same people who did the capturing were later captured themselves. The Europeans were also known for playing tribes against each other like they did with the Native Americans. Divide and conquer. Yes, but you must remember, Africa is an entire continent. When the Asante rulers of now Ghana sold non-Ashanti people into slavery such as the Akan people of eastern Ghana, they did not recognise them as fellow Africans. Same goes for the Christian Scandinavians and Russians who sold their war captives to the Islamic people of the Abbasid dynasty, they did not see that they were selling fellow Europeans but rather they were selling prisoners of war.

Its not a lie its true we did sell them, they were from other provinces and kingdoms and were prisoners of war something we shouldnt have done... Africans kingdoms fought battle with each other back in the days and captives were taken and were thrown into prison or made to work, in which after they are released to start a new life and get married or go back to their native land (their choice) after serving their term, Africans thought the same would when they handed over the captives to the white people...the people were taken from our land and we have the history to show what really happened.

In fact there were the kings (and other prominent citizens) of the African states, and they were taking part in what was, for them, a normal trade. There were african warlords who betrayed their own people by capturing the slaves themselves and selling them for european products like clothes and things. When the slave trade was at its height, slave traders in the ports would send out requests for a certain number of slaves and the intermediaries would travel and collect them and sell them on until they reached the port. Sometimes they bribed the chiefs, sometimes they kidnapped them at gunpoint. Thus they might go through several owners along the way. Very few, if any, would be captured by the trading ships. Those kidnapped were kidnap by Europeans through the help of Greedy Africa people.

I dont throw the blame or guilt bait now......it past and our duty to change history. But if it other way wrong that we didn't sell our people out to do europeans, were we braided and packed into the ship just like that? I dont think it can be possible without our people having hand in it.

bolaino: bros I greet u ooo, there is wisdom in your post, but if we are to go back to our state of unconsciousness when we die, how then can u explain spirits or ghosts? I'm assuming u believe in them.

Like I mentioned on the other thread with uyi, I believe God to be the creative force behind everything, the creative energy behind this universe, the force that created all the stars and galaxies. And every being on this universe.

Spirit means breathe.

Ghost? Stop watching too much movie. Let me ask, when you cook your chicken for meal, does it Ghost goes somewhere like in your dream or chasing you around?

Here we go.....ya returning to fairy-tale. Have a nice time

joel lala: Thank you FOLYKAZE for you contribution..but the drift is this..paganism has blamed christains/muslims and other religious sect for abadoning our traditions whereas they(pagans and pagan rulers) sold africans into slavery in exchange for mirrors, old shoes, old hats, adultrated gin etc..if our greedy pagan rulers didnt sell africans to the whites out of their selfish interest we would all still be practising our diverse paganism/traditional rites..paganism sold its blood brothers to slavery..

Paganism do not blame anybody for ignoring pagan. Dont get things wrong.....ombatse cult is part of pagan group that force people into their cult but my tradition dont do that. Yoruba tradition for example doesn't make it mandatory that you belong to them. If you believe in their gods, you are free to worship and if you dont, you can dine with them. Nobody is forcing you to belief or practise pagan spirituality.

Here is where the problem come....christians and muslim preach against other religion belief. It sometime you know that christian will threaten you with hell if you claim to be muslim and muslim will threaten you with hell if you claim to be pagan. The worse condition is that christian look down on you when you pagan and sell bad words by blackmailing you. Have been to churches where satan, demon and devil was attributed to pagan. So I think it paganist right to defend what belong to them from evil people.

Also, paganism doesn't sell anybody into slavery. Greedy individuals does that. I think there is a saying that we cant buy our past back again but we can invest our money into the positive change for now and future. We in Africa now, are we shipped to America? The question we should start asking ourselves is what about our history do we know? Why are we merging our world into alien history? What has happenned came through carelessness and it a great defeat on us but have we return to our root and correct our mistakes?

Slavery is bad but how about people that are proud to be slave? India was colonized but they are returning to their root. What happen to ya.....proud been slave?

The formula is divide and conquer and it work perfectly on us. Slavery had existed in Africa before the european and Arab came. It more like debt bond, punishment for crimes, warfare and labourers. In some cases, enslaved people could work to buy their freedom. Children of enslaved people did not automatically become slaves.

The Atlantic slave trade developed after Europeans began exploring and establishing trading posts on the Atlantic (west) coast of Africa in the mid-15th century. The first major group of European traders in West Africa was the Portuguese, followed by the British and the French. In the 16th and 17th centuries, these European colonial powers began to pursue plantation agriculture in their expanding possessions in the New World (North, Central, and South America, and the Caribbean islands), across the Atlantic Ocean. As European demand grew for products such as sugar, tobacco, rice, indigo, and cotton, and as more New World lands became available for European use, the need for plantation labor increased. So what they did is cause disagreement in the society and the African start war against themselves. They will provide weapons and war strategies which will be used against our brothers. Who ever win the battle then take some prisoners of war as slave (this time around their brothers). But the concept of selling their families into slavery came after the european states those prisoners can revolt, plan coup and others so to prevent the bad fate on the new kingdom, they have to send them into a far land as slave and more likely not to return for attacking them.

As the demand for slave grows, greedy people like kings, chief, wealthy men and military power take the advange of the treaty to sell their captors into the land of no return. After some time, it grows to the point it order of the day.

Thats the past really....I cant throw blame on Europe or those greedy ancestors. The blame should be thrown on us. One we dont know our history and two we are forcing ourselves into modernized slavery. Indian were enslaved and colonized like Africa. They accept their wrongs and correct themselves. I think they are doing better in development today. The blame is on us....our ancestors made mistake but we still walk through that path....why cant we free ourselves and develop our own world? You and I are to be blame for that

Ray McBlue: What's with this Shalom business nowadays, are you a Jew??

The guy is more than embarrassment to himself. He is a yoruba but can hardly speak it. Only enslaved soul will cherish foreign language, culture and belief over it own

Uyi Iredia: @ FOLYKAZE: It is true you don't believe in any sort of God but I think some of your beliefs are the kinds atheist would dislike to be associated with. Logicboy and weigraf have started already. I find yours informative, on the Ifa religion, but damn funny. How the hell will you believe all this and still atheist. Your girlfriend try !

lol.....she don accept fate o. Like I have said before....im not a nairaland atheist. I dont do grouping things......I need to journey through my mind and explore lot in life. I dont think it should end in christianity and Islam.

You also made a mistake....I dont need to believe in Ifa or Yoruba spirituality.... I need to KNOW it. Something like I was taught and have the knowledge that 2+2 = 4. When ask next time, you dont need to say you believe it 4.....

I wont argue on my atheist stance....but if logicboy can say buddhist, jain and taoist are atheist then I am too. On nairaland, what brings us together is disbelieve in the existence of God (creator of the world, who is hungry for worship, talking, walking, angry, happy and other attribute man created to depict their God). Anything outside that I dont have business with.

Chibuebem: does this your sango judge? When did you talk with Sango or any of your other gods last? How do your gods save you and help your life? What impact do these gods have in your life? Are you a changed man? Or are you lifted up in pride?

Pls take away your religion dogma when quoting me. You cant get me clear when you hold onto religion and faith you are feed with

Judge for what? Electricity is in your body system....does electric force judge?

Gods dont talk....they aint abrahamic that have voice....they manifest. E.g Ogun is literally Iron...iron dont talk.....you observe it manifestation in your blood and environment. Maybe your iron rod talk....dont know. If you want a 3d and artificial intelligent talking computer made in the ancient days, go see for yourself Osanyin. You need to converse with it yourself, you dont a priest or prophet to speak on your behalf....it you

Nobody can save you....you are to save yourself. Has your Jesus stop death whatever?

Iron makes me live as it present in my blood. Iron makes my life easier....it aids technology of today. Sango produces electricity. Using it or not....it function naturally in my system....i use it in my house and currently on my phone. When it come to impact, pls zip up.....your jesus is nothing more than dead carcass....unless you show me it manifestation.

Changed man what? Im investigating on my Orisa....when I know that, I build on it.

Pride? Im man of myself. Eat that

SeaSalt: Of course, I guess you have something you want to teach a man who witnessed another man called Duro Ladipo (the modern day Oba Koso) have smoke billowing from his very mouth (no film trick) before his death proved the reality of Sango - the fallen angel.

What you need to ask yourself is: "Why are ALL these fallen angels, whom you call gods, subject to the Name of Jesus Christ?" .... For at the name of Jesus Christ EVERY knee does bow.

Otherwise, educate me on which of all these fallen angels (or your gods) that is superior to Jesus Christ - which? And prove it!
Thanks.

Let me start by saying Jesus of the bible didn't exist. So you can digest every lies you are feed with.

Sango......he is a human, king in Oyo and also the deity of thunder and lightening. Like we both going to agree, religion has polluted African spiritualism so lot of it philosophy is lost. I will try my best to explain it to ya but pls dont bring in religion sense here....your reasoning will do it. Let see through his oriki :


Sango Onibon Orun (would mean he is the energy of electricity which form lightening and thunder in the sky. That is the lightning is like static electicity, it comes from the clouds and it makes some sort of static electircity. The thunder comes from the lightning, its so strong it makes the thunder. electricity in clouds form together to make lighting and when it strikes it sends off a sound wave which we hear as thunder so Sango is energy of electricity or electritic force. Here we have complex force)

Ajalaji Oba Koso ( This is an excerpt from the Human nature who was a king in Oyo. In his kingship part when his people changed statement that their king didn't hang....here it we have human nature)

Okunrin alagbara inu afefe (this is give more meaning to thunder and explain it formed by the cloud. thunder is caused by lighting, which is a current of electrons from a negative pole to a positive one (cumulonimbus base to ground) the current use an ionized channel of air that has little electrical resistance
thunder is the rapid expansion of air as a result of warming caused by the electrical current. (sonic boom))

Ti i ti ibi gegele
ba oke ja (this something can attribute to his humanic nature and it energy nature.)

Now you will realise we have two Sango.....one is humanic and other is Energetic. Sango the man is special that he embodied the energy of lightening and fire in himself....before sango the man, it was the deity jakuta (sango the electric energy/force) that owned fire and lightening. As shown in his dance, he used ase (energy) from the sky and manifested it on an earthly plane...be mastered fire/­electricity....he mastered it so well when he dies he merged with it and became its same form of jakuta....sango is phenomenal because, He did what most human beings could not do...his ase revolutionized his society and inturn the world....as we know....everyone is born with all elements but one is stronger in them than another. This is why nature is highly respected..bcuz we each carry the ase as an element....we embody the element and manifest the character as humans, plants, animals, rocks etc.....this is why inanimate objects are consecrated in orisa practises....they are not mere fetishes but different levels of embodiments of forces.

Sango the man is a vessel allowing the ase (energy) of sango to manifest as sango allowed. Using lightening to do so..... sango the man did greater things using/manifesting sango ase and when he dies, he rejoins his source and becomes a form of sango....understand.....we are all stars....we have to die in one dimension to be born in another...our physical bodies are made of star particles....lighteni­ng is the light force....sango was the vessel that carried that energy to earth and manifested it so well. He mastered it and became one with it. So electricity embody as ase....brilliance, genius, revolution, pow­er, exitement, fear, energy.....thunder(also sango) incites fear, respect, strength....attention...did­ not sango as the embodiment of lightening and thunder represent all of those traits.?

So tell us how Sango is fallen angel pls. And what prove are you looking for? For me to emit fire from mouth or walk on water or popularity? Let me get you straight

You are becoming something else. I think you getting scared with this prophetic lies with day. I think you claim to be rolling on hinduism? They have their concept of reincarnation which I think you need to know. Like a christian asking a hindu if he/she is born again, the answer the christian should expect is 'yes, im born again and again and again and again and again'

understand.....we are all stars....we have to die in one dimension to be born in another...our physical bodies are made of star particles. At a point in time, you were living in the state of unconsciousness, you will return to that stage and your energies will become particle in another state.

Adding, it right you define whom your God is. Mind sharing it here too?

wiegraf: Op, you and the likes of folykaze never were atheists per say. I don't even recall you calling yourself atheist, it was usually agnostic/freethinker

Good for you and whatever paths you choose, as long as you don't become sheeple and separate church/state. Kudos

Im not nairaland atheist. That sound cool right?

Where can I buy lion meat? I need to taste that wild beast

tobechi20: Gradually, atheism turns into a church
bishop logicboy

Daft

So you think church should only mean place of worshipping sky daddy huh?

Lets meet at the church of boston.... Check out their site www.churchofboston.com/

SeaSalt: Who says Sango or Zeus doesn't exist?
They do and even many more!
They are fallen angels who try to make themselves as superior to you.
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Sango is not fallen angel. Go out there and learn

Lets sing from our hyme book. Pls open to Psalm of saint John Lennon- IMAGINE

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

There is this yoruba saying that fit in here.... Igba isoro la n mon ara eni.

If the student has achieved greatly from another project, the school admin would give him support and attest firmly to this but now that it brought shame to them, they are kicking against it. No way

I saw God last year in my former church. I decide to join the drama group in the church and the group leader asked me to fast and pray for three days. I agreed to do this and get myself ready for for three days with eating any food and drinking tip of water.

On that very day I start the fasting, I was strong enough to climb the mountain close to the church for my prayer. In the evening time, I realised that food is a good thing so also is water. I struggled within myself for the following day. Inside the church at noon, I lost balance and not strong for any mountain climbing. Some church members were encouraging me to put more strength while other mocked me. I said my prayer in the church and laid down for rest. In the night, I saw my late grandma, Jesus and God. The whole church was rolling like dice which make me feel that I will fall. Bro.....I woke up on the third day in the hospital. I saw God and Jesus....if you want to see God, fast for a week with food and water.

@ bolaino.

Your hindu babe don turn the other side to you eh?

I read little about hinduism and other eastern belief. I can remember I got stuck at chakras cuz I dont really understand any bit of it. I hail you because you give your mind the strength to journey through the path of life. It a long one which I think can never be finish. Just walk at your strength and be happy.

Cheers bro

Symphony007: How's that War on terrorism going?

It evolved from the security men to yourself. Get yourself equipped

deinma afie: Be careful of what you comment. Dont get punished because of a post you saw

#team dont touch the anointed....

Indeed God is everywhere even on Nairaland.

2goodbobo: Nigerians are the ones killing Nigeria. We don't promote our own. We rather take it abroad and thereby crippling our Economy. Whether visiting or foreign, they should be made to pay tax since they are flying on our airspace.

Blame it on religion....the mother of Nigerian politics and corruption

Warlord3000: SIMPLE rules and INSTRUCTIONS..

No campaign from any candidate 90 days before the time alloted for the election..

Rules were disobeyed... Repercussions wasn't pleasant..

So tell me wetin be APC fault for here now?

Bunch of mofos ... Mtscheeew

Did any police disrupt PEJ when she locked down whole abuja and campaigned for her husband in the eagle square?

Angeld1: Sumtin is wrong sumwhere...or hw can sum1 say sumtin & come back 2 eat it up

The people who think a guy walked on water versus the people who think a horse can fly captured the mind of people who this they were born as slave.


Christianity versus Islam took over African slave.

Olu of Itsekiri and the Op are both confused

Were they not called by the same God?

Nobody won make business dabaru.....we need to expand so give me chance.

Hmmm

HoLEEsinner: Well, Mimiko did a project like this called Kaadi-igbeayo Ondo state and its not meant for deportation or what so ever, we don't know what this residents card project might lead to, I hope some people won't start paying residents permit? Concerning database and planning, its a nice project if well executed. Kudos to Fash.

stop comparing that labourer called mimiko with fashola. It like comparing toothless dog to a lion