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TheGoodJoe:
You have seen with your eyes. Finito. French Ligue 1. What a joke.

This is what I saw with my eyes and it is genuine.

Koboko99:
Can you guys jus create your own thread about Babayaro and Taye Taiwo, argue there and come back here when you are done.
Arguing as if either of these left backs will be drafted into the team for the next match.
For me I'll prefer Lord Rohr moves Aina back to the right while Collins should start on the left although Aina perfoms better when he's on the left.

Okay na.

If Collins is fit, he should be drafted back into the team.

TheGoodJoe:
Look at the money league clubs of 1997/1998. No French club entered when we are talking of big teams. Chelsea was there. Four English teams. There is no trick you can play. The gulf in class between the EPL and Ligue 1 did not start today. Babayaro was with the Big boys.

Not even one French team.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League

If there was gulf in class it should have reflected on the UEFA ranking but sorry, EPL was not among the top 3 best leagues in the world as at 1996, not to talk of top 5 best leagues in the world. EPL was down the pecking order.

Unlike Ligue 1 that was the second best league in the world.

TheGoodJoe:
Talking Ligue 1. What a joke.

As at the time Celestine Babayaro joined EPL in 1996/1997, EPL was a joke. It was the 7th league in the world while Ligue 1 was the 2nd best league in the world according to UEFA ranking.

TheGoodJoe:
These were the clubs you will find the stars and top players in the whole of Europe and you want people to believe Babayaro played in an average team.

It is not people like me who followed football well at that time you can deceive. Taiwo was in a mickey mouse league and never robbed shoulders with the big boys.

You sabi pass UEFA? Or you know football pass UEFA? Before dem born you, UEFA don dey run ranking tey tey but you dey here dey claim I sabi pass UEFA.

Big boys wey no fit make EPL ranking reach top 5 as at 1996.

TheGoodJoe:
As I said, it is only googling and arguing. If you followed football in any way, you will not say this in public. Which French club had the kind of clout to sign players like the EPL.

You are just running keys.

Type the top five players in the French league at that period and let me type those of the EPL.

Stats don't lie but you lied.

According to 1996 UEFA ranking, EPL was ranked 7th while Ligue 1 was ranked 2nd best league in the world. EPL was a Mickey mouse league as at the time Celestine Babayaro joined. That's the undiluted facts you can never change. Sorry.

For your information, UEFA league ranking is not by caliber of players or money but by the performance of each leagues representatives in UEFA competitions over 5 years.

The 1996 UEFA ranking poved that Ligue 1 teams performed better than EPL teams in the UEFA competitions in the last previous 5 seasons EOD

TheGoodJoe:
It was a 1996 rating and by then, France had top quality players. They featured well in Euro 1996, in their pool, they had the likes of Karembu, Ibrahim Ba, Eric Cantona, David Ginola, Cristoph Dugarry, Didier Dechamps, Lama, Barthez and a host of super stars.

Do not mind forgiveness, he knows Chelsea was not mediocre in any way under Babayaro. He is just trying hard to deceive himself that Taiwo was King, when he was in a mickey mouse league compared to Babayaro who was dining with the Kings.

The 1996 ranking had nothing to do with the French national team. Gbam.

Taiwo played in the fourth best league in the world and for the UEFA cup finalist team. But Celestine Babayaro played in the 7th best league in the world as at the time he joined. Finito

Keep fooling yourself. Facts don't lie.

zuchyblink:
Who will be our next RB? AwAziem, Omeruo, Balogun or aina?

Aina.

TheGoodJoe:
Call your top 5 players in the French league then and let me call my top five from the EPL and let us compare the quality. No too much talk. It is only you that will compare the French league to the EPL. You are just turning in circles to escape the true point. If UEFA has finally moved Manchester City recently, good for them. Does not change the fact that the Coefficient is babash.

The point is, did Babayaro play for an average team? No. Did Taiwo play in a Mickey mouse league? Yes. Trying to dribble will not change the fact.

If UEFA coefficient is babash, what do we call your opinion? Gurumaraji!? Bhuhahahaha!

As at the time Celestine Babayaro played in the EPL it was a Mickey mouse league because it was outside the top 5 leagues in the world.

As at the time, Taye Taiwo played in the Ligue 1, it was the 4th best league in the world and Marseille was UEFA cup finalists.

Jarus:
CAF Team of the Year award started in 2005 when Babayaro had left the stage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAF_Team_of_the_Year

I strongly believe if it existed in the 90s, Babayaro would have made it at least 2 times.

Babayaro was highly rated in his playing days.

Celestine Babayaro still played in EPL until 2007.

I know him wella because he made me a Chelsea fan.

Besides, he was a bench warmer at Chelsea. Make I know lie because I remembered I got provoked whenever he was not in the team or benched.

How could such a player win such?

TheGoodJoe:
You can see the truth. If you choose to ignore it I can not force you. You can see the list and the gulf in class of big names Babayaro played with. He was a top player. Taiwo's name is in a hidden Marseille.

Finito.

Hidden enough to make CAF team of the year on 4 occasions alongside the best African players in the world.

Where was Celestine Babayaro?

sontoly:
But permit me to add to this argument. This stat you gave was meant for country and not league ranking. The best valid point was to bring in Uefa league ranking. Knowing fully well that France won the world cup in 1998 they will be highly ranked.

Since the argument is about mickey mouse league and not country ranking.

It's for league ranking and not for country.

The UEFA country ranking was as the result of the UEFA country coefficients points accumulated over the period of 5 years by the representatives of each country's clubs.

See the UEFA country coefficients. Did you see France, Germany etc or clubs?

Read the info at the bottom of the last snapshot.

TheGoodJoe:
It is a lie. Why is Manchester United still ahead of Manchester City in their Coefficient if it is about club performance? Explain.

Manchester United is not ahead of Manchester City in UEFA ranking. Stop misinforming the public.

UEFA ranking is accurate, therefore, the 1996 UEFA ranking stands.

EPL was a Micky mouse league as at the time Celestine Babayaro joined.

TheGoodJoe:
You can see the truth. If you choose to ignore it I can not force you. You can see the list and the gulf in class of big names Babayaro played with. He was a top player. Taiwo's name is in a hidden Marseille.

Finito.

The truth remains that Celestine Babayaro joined a Mickey mouse league as at that time according to UEFA ranking. Finito.

TheGoodJoe:
UEFA Coefficient is babash. Do you know till now, Manchester United is ahead of Manchester City in the UEFA Coefficient even after winning the EPL 4 times and Manchester United have not won one. It is thrash.

By the way, look at the line up of a 1999 game between Chelsea and Arsenal. Look at the names of both sides and it will tell you the quality of the EPL then. Taiwo never operated in such league of players.

That's why it's called UEFA ranking. It is were local champions challenge to become the UEFA champions.

Your performance in UEFA competition determines your ranking. Calling it babash is just being ignorant or mischievous.

Like I said UEFA doesn't care about names, UEFA focuses on clubs performance. EOD

TheGoodJoe:
Revenue is the bomb and the discussion is you changing it. When Celestine was in Chelsea, it was a big club. Before Celestine's time does not count because he was not there. When he was there, it was a big club with top stars. When Taiwo was in the French league, it was a Mickey mouse league. His club and player quality can not in any way compare to the time Babayaro was there.

It is their time at the club that matters.

Finito.

When did we discuss revenue?

As at the time he joined EPL, it was a Mickey mouse league. Finito

Taye Taiwo joined Marseille when they were about to play in UEFA cup finals that is highly rated than Cup winners cup. And he joined top 5 league in the world unlike Celestine Babayaro who joined top 10 league in the world.

edi287:
What position was Ligue un when Taye Taiwo joined??

Top 5.

TheGoodJoe:
Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool have won the Champions league recently, that is the boost the English are getting. However you can be playing well, if you do not win or have good results, the Coefficient rates you poorly. With Marseille winning the Champions league in 1992 and England not winning, even as at 1996, French was rated higher despite being a Mickey mouse league to the EPL.

That is why it is fake. The revenue tells the story where the strength and competition was. It was in England and the French teams by 1996 could not keep their best players from going to England, Spain, Italy or Germany.

UEFA ranking is not hundred meters dash race, it is the reflection of each leagues points accumulated over a period of 5 seasons.

As you can see, Ligue 1 didn't get the rating just because of just one season. Fact.

You are a nobody in football matters compared with UEFA that rated the French league higher hence bury your head in the sand.

Insisting it is fake doesn't change the facts on ground because the facts emanated from UEFA itself. You are the fake here. Sorry.

TheGoodJoe:
But their revenue dwarfed the French league. Can you explain that magic?

Revenue is not the bone of contention, the league ranking is.

EPL was poor as at the time Celestine Babayaro joined. It was below the pecking order. 7th for that matter.

Danielnino00:
I'm not supporting thegoodjoe argument here o .. But how can u say the English league was inferior as at the time Babayaro was there? If it's because of the uefa coefficient ranking,then u just made a erroneous statement... The French league was ranked ahead at that time cus they had just recently produced the UCL winner in 1993(till date the only UCL trophy they have).. The English league already had 8 UCL title!! Some of the best players in the world were in the EPL as at that time...
Maybe Chelsea were an average team back then but certainly not the EPL...

That being said,u really need to relax on this uefa coefficient u bring up every time to support ur arguments... This ranking are continuous. they change overtime... U can't say Brazil national team is inferior to Belgium's just because Belgium is ranked higher...neither can U say Romania are a better footballing nation than Nigeria because they are ranked higher...

What do I need to back up my claims if not with verifiable facts?

UEFA ranking is the only acceptable standard when arguing or debating ranking of leagues. Personal opinions are inconsequential in this regard. Sorry.

Based on the 1996 UEFA ranking, EPL was an inferior league. EOD

TheGoodJoe:
Story. It is you that brought 1992 Champions League and the very fake UEFA Coefficient.

Fake!? Like I said, bury your head in the sand.

It's not fake. See the current UEFA ranking for 2019. Confirmed.

TheGoodJoe:
Revenue shows the calibre of players the league could attract. Babayaro was among the best players with respect to name. Taiwo was with Donald Duck.

How come EPL was down the pecking order in 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999 despite the calibre of players?

The calibre of players is the reflection of the UEFA rankings. Poor EPL, they must had been sold expired players. I mean efulefu packaged players. Ebu in another tongue.

No wonder CAF never looked Celestine Babayaro's way.

TheGoodJoe:
By 2005/2006, the gap was ridiculous. Oh Mickey Mouse league.

Just bury your head in the sand.

Celestine Babayaro played in a very inferior league as at the time he played. You can't change that fact. Gbam

TheGoodJoe:
No need talking too much. Look at the gap in revenue between the EPL in 1996/1997 season and look at French league.

You see why I said Mickey mouse?

If revenue determines the UEFA ranking of a league why is EPL not the best in the world?

Celestine Babayaro played in a Mickey mouse league as at the time he played for Chelsea according to UEFA ranking.

But Taiwo played in the top 4 league in the world.

komekn:
It doesn't really matter the quality is not the same.

All the top EPL teams have it ingrained that all the youth team training creates the foundation for progression to the first team.

Of course! I noticed that in the U18 FA finals btw Liverpool and Manchester City.

TheGoodJoe:
But the Champions league you brought was 1992.

Marseille was not a bigger club than Chelsea when Taiwo was there compared to the class of Chelsea when Babayaro was there.

Babayaro's side beat Real Madrid to lift the Super Cup after winning the Cup winners Cup. Taiwo went to finals. Babayaro won and then beat Real Madrid to lift the European Super Cup. Played in a far bigger league. Played with far bigger players and competed against Big sides.

Taiwo was in a mickey mouse league. The gulf in class is too much.

It was Celestine Babayaro that played in a Mickey mouse league as at the time he played there. Facts don't lie.

This was UEFA ranking 1996- 1999. The period Celestine Babayaro joined the Micky mouse league.

See EPL below top 5.

TheGoodJoe:
You were the one that brought in UEFA Champions League finals that Taiwo joined when that was in 1992. You should have just left it at the UEFA Cup.

Celestine was part of the UEFA Cup Winners Cup winning team and the UEFA Super Cup winning things. Levels pass levels.

Taye Taiwo was a full player of Marseille team that got to the finals of UEFA cup.

Taye Taiwo played for a bigger club bigger than Chelsea.

Celestine can never be better than Taye in CAF's book.

jihday:
they were not an average club, tho not this big but certainly not average, they were regularly competing in the champions league

Chelsea never played in one single UEFA champions League prior to the time Celestine Babayaro joined Chelsea neither was Chelsea consistent after he joined.

charlesemeka85:
I no blame am na our politicians I blame if not how u go use rat compare cow

Lmao! Hahahaha!

The guy go rush come now.

charlesemeka85:
Bro I have been in Ghana and the place na just hype. The pple are the worst. Very mean and envious. The sight of a sharp 9ja guy or babe dey intimidate them wella

No mind that guy, he does not know anything.

Some of them can be intimidating especially the ones at the border but there are some very friendly and helpful ones.

TheGoodJoe:
You are funny. Champions Finalist in 1992, when Taiwo joined in 2005. Funny. Very funny.

Please, Chelsea was huge then. They had top stars. No where average. Beat a star studded Real Madrid in the UEFA Super Cup. No way average. They came second in the EPL. Is that Everton's level? Bia. Take ya time.

Finito.

Marseille was UEFA cup finalists in 2004 and Taiwo joined in 2005.

What was the pedigree of Chelsea prior to the time Celestine joined? Average!

PetroDollaxxx:
Ghana is not up to Lagos, in terms of what? Only a fool talks like this. Ghana is not up to Lagos. I was expecting you to state your reasons why you think Ghana is not up to Lagos. That is how wise people talk. Only foolish people make sweeping statements without evidence and without substance.

Of course there is no room for comparison, between Ghana and Nigeria. While Nigeria is a certified sh1thole, Ghana is doing great. No wonder thousands of your long-suffering mudder fuggerz arevtrooping to a Ghana everyday, like Muslims going to Mecca for pilgrimage.

Kidnappers have taken over your country. People can’t even travel travel on your highways because they will be kidnapped they are kidnapping anything that moves, for a ransom of coke gala Is this a serious country. Nigeria is a joke

500,000 Ghanaians are living in the sh1thole with great privilege.