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abbey621:
His name was not changed to Alcindor, he was born that way. He was born in 1947 in New York City. Slavery ended in the U.S around 1865, almost 90 years ago, so his father more than likely was also not a slave.

I am taking about his great grandfather. He was a slave.

Oral history is what the Yorubas use to narrate their history.

zinizta:
true, i know Yorubas that came back home from Brazil....mostly based in Lagos state...some stayed bac in Cuba,Trinidad&Tobago, Brazil, England etc

Samuel ajayi-crowther, the man who translate the Bible to Yoruba,Igbo languages etc came back too...Herbert Macaulay...all Yorubas

Many came back and that's the reason you hear many families bear foreign surnames in Lagos.

abbey621:
But Jabber's father was not a slave. If he went to the US in the 18th century, that is the year 1900 and beyond, slavery ended already(1865). The more likely scenario was that Jabber's great grandfather was brought to the U.S as a slave and the stories were passed down from generations but where does Trinidad & Yoruba correlate?

My family was brought to America by a French planter named Alcindor, who came here from Trinidad in the 18th century. My people were Yoruba, and their culture survived slavery...

Why was his name changed to Alcindor?

Yourbas rely mostly on oral history till date.

abbey621:
90% of African Americans born in America don't really know their heritage. Where does Trinidad & Yoruba mix? Here's another quote from him "My forebears were Yoruba people, from present day Nigeria". He said he learnt this from his father and he learned from his father but there is no proof. Nigeria being the most popular and dominating demographics of Africans in the USA, it's no wonder DNA analysis and research shows basketball legend Kareem Abdul-Jabar and the famed Harvard historian, Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. are descendants of Yorubas but how confident are you in DNA research that shows that a person is 10 to 15% Nigerian and likely Yoruba?

My great grandfather was stolen and sold abroad as a slave in the 18th century but he still managed to find his way back to Nigeria.

How did he know his origin and came back home through the help of a slave merchant?

At least, you have agreed that 10% knows their origin and Abdul Jabber's father who went to America in the 18th century belongs to this category of those who knew their heritage.

abbey621:
Error - Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor Jr.(Kareem) is no Nigerian.

Quote from the horses mouth

Abdul-Jabbar has spoken about the thinking that was behind his name change when he converted to Islam. He stated that he was "latching on to something that was part of my heritage, because many of the slaves who were brought here were Muslims. My family was brought to America by a French planter named Alcindor, who came here from Trinidad in the 18th century. My people were Yoruba, and their culture survived slavery... My father found out about that when I was a kid, and it gave me all I needed to know that, hey, I was somebody, even if nobody else knew about it. When I was a kid, no one would believe anything positive that you could say about black people. And that's a terrible burden on black people, because they don't have an accurate idea of their history, which has been either suppressed or distorted."

Nostradamus:
abdul Kareem jabber? Lew Alcindor??is that dude a Nigerian??

Yes! He confirmed it himself.

The third basketballer of Nigerian heritage to win it after Kareem Abdul Jabber and Hakeem Olajunwon.

timay:
That is where the problem is.

The concept of VAR is good. But its inconsistent applications , couple with bad officiating is the issue.
And that is why most of the African countries are angry, cos they are the worst it by this unfortunate situation at the women world cup.

FIFA was busy doing massive PR to promote the Women world cup and they entirely ignored the officiating aspect which has been historically bad, even before VAR came in.

The men's world cup had its own VAR issue, but it wasn't as worse as this.

I think the problem here generally is bad officiating and the inconsistent applications of the rules, and wrong interpretation of the rule sometimes.

An example was the indirect freekick in the box against Cameroon that resulted into the first of England. That was clearly not a back pass, and in a men's game, the referee won't even rule that as a foul. It was Cameroon overall behavior in that game, that made people to forget that aspect in that match, and allow the referee to somehow get a pass at the bad job she did , in that game.

So if FIFA wants us to take women's game serious, they should also work on the officiating, the way the do for the men's game, cos that is the only aspect that refuse to improve

The bolded is the main and major problem.

VAR is good but there is inconsistency in the application and interpretation of rules which so far, have only favoured European and South American.

Something fishy about it.

Starboytwo:
why, please I'm enjoying the show abeg, it's a very interesting debate and it's like a "final" nobody wan gree...na voting we go do for them Las Las...

Both are right somehow Sha, English league was a wash before but still got the BIG names but the French Team was ranked higher by Uefa in that time frame...so who is right ?

Hahahaha!

That's what he doesn't want to stomach.

Earthquake3:
It a result of the new Fifa rules

Every ball that touches the arm in the box is now a pk, Keepers can't dive forward for penalties anymore, so many stoppages in play

I wish we didn't have VAR

Why did the referee refuse to give us penalty against Germany when the ball touched a German player's arm?

VAR?

timay:
Another question you should be asking is that, will he be giving that kind of acres of space the other guy had to shoot?

That Malian player created that space himself. It was not on a platter of gold. I expect Samu to do likewise.

Unbiased1:
All cities have slums. Ibadan has the largest slum in Africa not Nairobi. Stop giving your record to Nairobi lol. There is nothing like many cities in Lagos. Lagos has just Island and Ikeja that are considered urban except you consider mushin and ijora as cities.

You are not informed. Nairobi Kenya is the slum capital of the whole world. Cape town has the second largest slum in the Africa.

If you don't know about cities in Lagos ask and I will inform you. Lagos state is different from Lagos. Learn

Unbiased1:
lol with over 41,000 crime cases per year. Stop deceiving yourself Oga. Life in Abuja, Enugu and Calabar is less stressful than life in Lagos

2019 Mercer quality of city rating ranked Lagos higher than Abuja. The reason Enugu and Calabar should not be in the picture.

Besides, see the snapshot below for you to have an idea how livability of cities are measured. Hence, Lagos remains the most livable city in Nigeria based on international ratings because no city in Nigeria beat Lagos in these factors.

Sportilitica:
Just saw the highlights of the Mali game. A team that can score from outside the box at will is not a team to be underestimated. I hope Samu is watching what the left footed striker did with the ball. Been a while since we scored a goal from outside the box.

When I saw those goals I remembered Samu. I think he can score like that with his left foot.

terzurum5:
Tell us something about Guinea vs Nigeria please.
What to expect and so so so..........

cc: Forgiveness & thegoodjoe

I expect us to win the game because I think we are more tactical.

Taliban:
I actually reported you both for derailing the thread but unfortunately I was unsuccessful and the horror show continues

Sorry sirs and madams.

Unbiased1:
Which Lagos is developed? You must be ashamed of yourself for spewing that trash. A state whose governor spent the last 4 years constructing BRT bus stops is developed. Have you been to other African cities that generate as much IGR as Lagos to see what development is all about? A state littered with trash, bad roads, congested slums on the island and mainland, growing a new occupation of thuggery etc is developed? Lagos which is the smallest state in Nigeria is not even the neatest state neither does it have the best road network or least magnitude of Slums in the country. The state has borrowed over 1 trillion naira and still could not deliver on the light rail project. Useless state.
And please stop using the Easterners as a bench mark to judge your backwardness or progress. The easterners are found in large quantities in all states of the federation and the SE is the most densely populated geopolitical zone in Nigeria so don't get it twisted.

There are many cities in Lagos and they got levels.

In terms of slum, Cape town, Johannesburg, Nairobi (the slum capital of the whole world) etc have slims.

Unbiased1:
Which Lagos is developed? You must be ashamed of yourself for spewing that trash. A state whose governor spent the last 4 years constructing BRT bus stops is developed. Have you been to other African cities that generate as much IGR as Lagos to see what development is all about? A state littered with trash, bad roads, congested slums on the island and mainland, growing a new occupation of thuggery etc is developed? Lagos which is the smallest state in Nigeria is not even the neatest state neither does it have the best road network or least magnitude of Slums in the country. The state has borrowed over 1 trillion naira and still could not deliver on the light rail project. Useless state.
And please stop using the Easterners as a bench mark to judge your backwardness or progress. The easterners are found in large quantities in all states of the federation and the SE is the most densely populated geopolitical zone in Nigeria so don't get it twisted.

Lagos state remains the most livable city in Nigeria.

Unbiased1:
Which Lagos is developed? You must be ashamed of yourself for spewing that trash. A state whose governor spent the last 4 years constructing BRT bus stops is developed. Have you been to other African cities that generate as much IGR as Lagos to see what development is all about? A state littered with trash, bad roads, congested slums on the island and mainland, growing a new occupation of thuggery etc is developed? Lagos which is the smallest state in Nigeria is not even the neatest state neither does it have the best road network or least magnitude of Slums in the country. The state has borrowed over 1 trillion naira and still could not deliver on the light rail project. Useless state.
And please stop using the Easterners as a bench mark to judge your backwardness or progress. The easterners are found in large quantities in all states of the federation and the SE is the most densely populated geopolitical zone in Nigeria so don't get it twisted.

Lagos is the first city that started using BRT system in the whole of Africa. Long before South Africa dreamt about it.

TheGoodJoe:
As I said, you have no idea what you are arguing. You are free to keep browsing and arguing with people that followed the game then. Argue with people that watched the games.

I can tell you in the friendly between Nigeria and Netherlands that Jero Shakpoke was a problem until he inured. I can tell you the sub of Jero by Eguaveon led to a collapse of our team. I can tell you Babayaro gave Clarence Seedorf a tough time.

You can Google and argue what you do not know Coefficiently.

Finito.

UEFA followed the game more than you even before you started opening your eyes to see feeding bottle.


Can you argue with UEFA?

TheGoodJoe:
Is it second round or quarter finals? See that final list, those were the stars of the team. You do not know. Now know. That is why you can open your mouth and say Chelsea was an average team when Babayaro was there. Because, you have no shred of idea about what you are arguing. You just browse and argue.

People like us used to look forward to the games. We used to watch the transfer market. Then. You have no idea. You do not know the players. You did not watch the matches. You just want to argue what you do not know.

Stars of the team without Blanc? Bhuhahahaha!

How come you don't know Blanc?

You are really ignorant, honestly!

Snapshot 1..... round of 16... How many Ligue 1 players?

Fabien Barthez (1), Laurent Blanc (2) David Trezeguet (3), Thienry Henry (4), Bernard Diomede (5), Stéphane Guivarc'h (6) and Robert Pires (7) executed the match and they were all Ligue 1 players as at that time.

Blanc scored the winning goal.

Snapshot 2.... Quarter finals. How many Ligue 1 players?

Fabien Barthez (1), Laurent Blanc (2) David Trezeguet (3), Thienry Henry (4) and Stéphane Guivarc'h (5) played in the quarter finals. Ligue 1 players.

Three Ligue 1 players scored in the penalty shootout. Where were the foreign league stars?

Snapshot 3 ......Semi finals. How many Ligue 1 players?

Fabien Barthez (1), Laurent Blanc (2) David Trezeguet (3), Thienry Henry (4) and Stéphane Guivarc'h (5) played the semi finals.

You can see why Blanc didn't play the final due to red card. You don't have any idea that Ligue 1 players dominated the world cup winning French team.

That your final list didn't tell the story.

TheGoodJoe:
You do not know or have a single idea what you are arguing. Are you saying Michael Owen would have left Liverpool to PSG? It is so ridiculous. McManaman would go to PSG? Or Matthaus would leave Bayern Munich to PSG? As in how.

Na wa.

See what matters below. 1998 UEFA ranking showed PSG was the best club in the world.

I know you don't know how it happened but na UEFA do am no bi me.

TheGoodJoe:
Which one have you shown apart from Coefficient. PSG. What a joke.

If you understand how terrible your argument is eh, you will chill. Those who watched ball then would shake their head in shock.

Leave Google and argue what you know. I have told you before. PSG. LOL.

Do you mean UEFA closed their eyes and made the rankings?

What a joke!

TheGoodJoe:
Look at the World Cup final starting line up for France. Only Barthez and Guivarch were from the French league. Then as Sub, Dugarry. The rest were foreign based.

You think you can fool me?

France didn't win the world cup with one match. They played many teams before they got to the final.

Show me all the starting eleven from group stages to Semi finals and I will show you the numbers of Ligue 1 players that dominated that team.

TheGoodJoe:
I watched Bernard Lama keep in Euro 96. Watched Barthez took over from Bernard Lama. Barthez was even the best goalkeeper of the World Cup. I can tell you Barthez and Ronaldo clashed on the field that Brazil players thought Ronaldo won't recover.

It is not mouth. I can tell you Del Piero was the highest goal scorer in the Champions league but failed to score in France 98. I can tell you Baggio came as a sub and played the ball on a player's hand to make a penalty and score.

I can tell you the new ball FIFA made from France 98 was difficult to take long range free kicks. Which people believed it wad a plot to stop Roberto Carlos trade mark cannon free kicks and he did not score a free kick at the World Cup.

It is not play, you can Google and argue what you do not know. You are free.

Show me the French 1996 team and save me the sermon.

TheGoodJoe:

Most on that list there were the key players. Tell me the top players of the France 98 French team. World Cup you did not watch. Me, I watched almost every game except two or three.

You mean you watched the French team with angle as the goalkeeper? Bhuhahahaha!

Just show the full list.

TheGoodJoe:
You that did not watch football then, what do you know about it? When we had Juventus with the likes of Zidane, Edgar Davids and Didier Dechamps. Real Madrid with the likes of Mijatovic, Clarence Seedorf and Raul. Manchester United with the likes of Roy Keane, Beckham, Giggs, Dwight Yorke and Cole, Arsenal with the likes of Vieira, Anelka, Gilberto, Tony Adams, Ian Wright. Bayern Munich with the likes Matthaus, Effenberg, Oliver Khan, Lizarazu, Jeremies and Tarnat. We had Inter Milan with Roberto Baggio, Kanu, Ronaldo, Zamorano.

Who knew PSG.

These are stars I remember off the top of my head. Even Monaco was smoking that period with the likes of Ikpeba, Trezeguet, Thierry Henry and Guily.

You did not watch, you want to Google and argue.

UEFA ranking is superior to your personal opinion. EOD.

TheGoodJoe:
Lie small. Foreign based French players of the France 1998 squad.

2 DF Vincent Candela - Roma
3 DF Bixente Lizarazu - Bayern Munich
4 MF Patrick Vieira - Arsenal
6 MF Youri Djorkaeff - Inter Milan
7 MF Didier Deschamps - Juventus
8 DF Marcel Desailly - Milan
10 MF Zinedine Zidane - Juventus
14 MF Alain Boghossian - Sampdoria
15 DF Lilian Thuram - Parma
17 MF Emmanuel Petit - Arsenal
18 DF Frank Lebœuf - Chelsea
19 MF Christian Karembeu - Real Madrid

12 players with no goalkeeper won FIFA world cup for France. Bhuhahahaha! What a joke!

Show the full list. What stops you from doing that?

TheGoodJoe:
You did not watch or know EPL 1996/97. The point you made was that Chelsea was an average side. Explain how an Average side won the FA Cup and League Cup. Explain how top stars were in the league when Babayaro was in the league. I winder why you want to kill yourself with Coefficient.

Tell me the team in France during Babayaro's time that was bigger than Chelsea. Tell me the bigger players in France than that of the Premier League.

No France team even had money to compete in market for players. Till today, it is a Mickey mouse league.

UEFA ranking has given us all the explanation needed. EOD

PSG was the best club in the world as at 1998.

Facts don't lie.

TheGoodJoe:
https://www.worldfootball.net/teams/olympique-marseille/1997/2/



Olympique Marseille 1997 squad, I only know Victor Agali who used to play for Nigeria, the rest, I have not even heard their name. Yet you want to claim bigger than the EPL. What a joke.

It's glaring you don't know anything.

Two Marseille players were part of France 98 FIFA world cup winning team.

Blanc was the Marseille player that benched the only player from Chelsea. How come you don't know about that?

You think I am dull to see through your pranks? I will not list players that played in Ligue 1 during that era but I will go with UEFA ranking that clearly showed EPL was Mickey mouse league as at 1996.

For your information, Ligue 1 players dominated the French 1998 FIFA world cup winning team.

TheGoodJoe:
You did not watch or know EPL 1996/97. The point you made was that Chelsea was an average side. Explain how an Average side won the FA Cup and League Cup. Explain how top stars were in the league when Babayaro was in the league. I winder why you want to kill yourself with Coefficient.

Tell me the team in France during Babayaro's time that was bigger than Chelsea. Tell me the bigger players in France than that of the Premier League.

No France team even had money to compete in market for players. Till today, it is a Mickey mouse league.

UEFA ranking says otherwise. Keep fooling yourself.

Jarus:
Stats sometimes lie.

If you use stats alone, you would conclude Aiyegbeni was better than Kanu.

Yet, Kanu was rated one of Africa's Top 10 players ever.

Did Aiyegbeni win Africa footballer of the year twice?

Stats don't lie.