₦airaland Forum

OMANBALA1:
The biggest problem the black man has is unity. Look at Forgiveness and his English friend and how they have tried to tear this thread apart but they have not succeeded because we have true African brothers here...Mujtahida dey , Joebie dey , Nerdie dey, Icons4 dey and my phucking self dey too.

By the way , Uche Okechukwu has always been a very cool guy

I know you well. You only love the slogan of brotherhood and unity when things favors you. I mean as long as it favors you.

There can never be unity in injustice. Be deceiving yourself.

tbaba1234:
Tragic.. I remember Uche Okechukwu from the back was the first person to celebrate with Yekini. I hope the present team maintain a good spirit.

The problem did not start when Rashidi ran with the ball into the net, it already started before that goal because second players that rushed to meet the ball before he scored did not with joy ran to the net to meet him but rather went away.

They were envious of each others achievement and there was in fighing already in camp.

The celebration only exposed the intent of their heart.

Besides, Rashidi had 1 or two assists in the competition. What is problem if the team is doing well without Rashidi scoring a goal?

komekn:
Passion is good but exceptional quality is much better.

Yobo has been arguably one of the most outstanding consistent defenders we have had in the SE in recent times. Albeit he began to drop off towards the end of his career.

So I don't necessarily agree with your approach. Players should be selected as a reward for[b] CURRENT OUTSTANDING CONSISTENT TOP QUALITY PERFORMANCES in thier club and league with the quality of league a major point of consideration. Any other considerations are simply open to abuse.
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No they will not accept because the heart of man is full of corruption. They love evil.

komekn:
Camp is indicative not holistically absolute.

What you get in camp which is at best a couple of weeks is a small insight into a player ability. The more objective, conclusive and all encompassing assessment is what that player does week in week out in his club.

You no go be cockroach for Lagos come turn Lion when you reach Warri, Eéeeeeee no deh happen.

In the same vein you can't all of a sudden go to camp and become a prolific goal scorer bullying defenders left, right and center, when in your club and league you have been anonymous all season.

All that talk about camp performance is to move away from the objective to anchor on the subjective, which is open to abuse.

Look at top performing countries they always have thier top performing players. If those players have underperformed in the league, they are simply out, all things being equal.

No dey will not listen but hate you for that bolded you wrote because ....They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.

because they hate the good and love evil hence will not establish judgment in the gate.

No wonder righteousness exalt a Nation but our reproach in this country is sin.

He will find you one useless excuse to make his case.

tbaba1234:
Colin Udoh on Mikel Agu training...

I have followed Agu enough to know he is good. It sums up the reason I was the first person among this group to clamor for his invitation.

eterisan:
is that all.... Tell me what I don't know not what I know. Abeg I am tired. How is ajagun more of future prospect than nwakali. Are they mates.

Ajagun mate pass am.... Stop going back and forth with this ajagun and aluko thing. They are not part of the team. Simple. They are not better than their mates in the team simple. As if you don't want ajagun in the national team so as to restart his career.

Nwakali is not their competition. Simple....he is not even in the team... Gerrit... We are looking at the u23 team and eagles post Russia. He was bought by arsenal after his performances at youth level. If that isn't special talent what is. Who bought ajagun after his own time as captain. I'm done with you here abeg.... Thank you

You're not even making sense again. Typical of two faced double standard fellows.

Onazi, Ogu, Brian, Joel are all the same age with Ajagun but you have called him Old washed player. Why?

eterisan:
elder I have asked the question since morning and forgiveness and komekn cannot answer me. At least their silence proves that they have no point in criticizing nwakali's call up for the athletico game or 35 man list.. Wherever they saw such list.

I will still ask for the third time.... Now it is an open question for everyone .... Is there any special talent midfielder currently of Naija decent both home and abroad that deserves it more than nwakali to be called to the national team just to train... Post Russia...... I really want to learn.... I am waiting..

Forgiveness and komekn should hide their face in shame... I cannot wait for dust to settle.

In komekn's voice..... Nwakali plays in Holland division 2...nwakali should not ride on youth past glory.... Nwakali is not a top performer in division 2....nwakali is not special talent but special connections......

Bros I go disgrace you today.... I d'or vex..... Oya name one Naija midfielder na wey be special talent, top performer, not in division 2 of any league and has past glory in youth competition for any country..... That deserves it more than nwakali.... Bros you must answer today o... Or just keep quiet forever on this nwakali issue... Cos I will be on your case.... Thank you

Was going to the world Cup the point you raised?

As you can see from the bolded, the cruse of the matter was Nwakali making the 35 manlist.

So, don't digress from the koko.

After naming it, you tried to call me names just st because you saw Ajagun and you even went ahead trying to justify it by claiming I added Eze just because I dont want to be tagged as tribalist but I proved you wrong by showing you your previous post that demanded I should also name a player abroad.

What a shame!

eterisan:
Note : I do not intend to go back and forth with you...

Firstly nwakali is not going to the world Cup...

Secondly players of ajagun's age in camp right now are better than him. Mikel, ogu, onazi, Joel....

Thirdly the younger players in camp for the future are better than ajagun.... Ndidi and Iwobi.....even Agu. Please narrow this discussion to midfielders.

Lastly I do not disapprove of ajagun I am only letting you know that you and komekn basis of disapproving nwakali is flawed in all ramifications because anyone who is not blind can see that he is been groomed. Besides he has had jus one call up. His brother two.

Don't turn this into an ajagun argument.

I see komekn avoiding my question... Yes he should hide in shame..... Mentioning all sort of special players who are not Nigerians. You feel say na to speak plenty grammer be the thing. If komekn can give just a name. I will put my ass up for display in shame.... Or I will come kiss his feet any time he comes to Warri....

I challenge you komekn give me a name or forever remain shut.

As you can see, it was about making the list based on merit and not on your first to third points.

They are irrelevant in this discussion in the first place because they were never the bone of contention.

It was never about age but the merit of making the 35 man list.

Now, why is Ajagun old washed up player and why is he too old enough to make the list?

Why did you disdain Ajagun in such manner yet you didn't tell us why older players and his age mates are in the team?

You haven't answered my question.

eterisan:
You are so predictable, everyone here knows you had ajagun in mind when criticizing nwakali.... Can't you change for once... That ebere you added there is just so that you will not be tagged tribal.... BTW does ebere deserve it more than nwakali..... Or is your washed up ajagun [old man] a special talent..... I tire for you....

Nwakali is the future not your ajagun deal with it.
Just like ndidi and nacho, nwakali is an NFF project. They distinguished themselves at youth level. They are our own, our products and have to be groomed. Ebere Eze is on NFF radar but currently doesn't deserve it more. It's not like he is a Nigerian yet in the eyes of FIFA.

For Ajagun, well sorry is your name. We have better midfielders of his age in the NT set up currently so right now he has no chance. This is the reality. Again Nwakali is the future.. just as TheGoodJoe mentioned chalobah training with the English team.... I rest my case for now

So you mean Ajagun is not NFF project? Smh

You must be very ignorant.

Ajagun was a member of the U17 and U20 of our National team.

He was even the captain of Ndidi, Kayode and Simon, Shehu, Aminu Umar and Kingsley Madu in the 2013 U20 set yet he's not part of NFF project.

He was the only Nigerian that made the U20 Africa championship best 11 and he was the best player in that team.

However, some of these players have gotten into the National team by using it to the resart their career.

You surely don't have any idea.

eterisan:
You are so predictable, everyone here knows you had ajagun in mind when criticizing nwakali.... Can't you change for once... That ebere you added there is just so that you will not be tagged tribal.... BTW does ebere deserve it more than nwakali..... Or is your washed up ajagun [old man] a special talent..... I tire for you.... Nwakali is the future not your ajagun deal with it.

You asked for players better than Nwakali home and abroad that can be added to the team at the moment and I gave you Ajagun(home) and Eze(abroad) but this is all you could come up with. Smh

eterisan:
egbon why wait for dust to settle. Did you wait before you and komekn stunk up this place with your negative prejudice about nwakali. Simple question you both can't answer. It is like you both think you are smarter than everyone here.


If you and bros komekn cannot give us just a name of one Nigerian player, foreign born or Naija born who is a special talent midfielder who deserves to be called up at this moment to just train with the national team.... Then I am sorry to say you should keep quiet [no shut the phuck up]. Never ever you criticise nwakali's call up again since you have nothing better to present. Good luck to you.

Abi, was that not your question?

If I remove Eze name, you will still call me names but for your information I had to ommit Tega Onomah from my list because you said i should list players that can play for Nigeria 'at the moment'.

So, you can see I answered you according to the tenor of your question.

Of course, I have Ajagun in mind because first he is a Nigerian and secondly his current stats speak for him which is far better than Nwakali's stats . Abi! is he from Congo or Somalia?

However, if I have Ajagun in mind, what is bad about that?

Oh! He is old? Old outdated dirty tricks to fizzle out players.

How old is he?

In short, are you his father or mother?

If you know know his age you are free to answer.

How many of those players currently in the team are younger than Ajagun that are for the future out of the 26 players in the camp?

Is Simeon for the future, is Ogu for the future, is Agu for the future, is Ogenyi Onazi for the future, is Brian Idowu for the future.. Is Ikechuckwu Ezenwa for the future, is Leon Balogun for the future, is Echiejile for the future.. is
Kenneth Omeruo for the future? Etc

Are all these players that are older or the same age mate of Abdul Ajagun for the future?

Why didn't you criticize their inclusion because they are old washed up players(based on your logic)?

Why don't we carry Emmanuel Amuneke under 17 winning team to the world Cup because they for the future?

Do you think the world cup is for under age players?

Let us kuku ma replace Simy with Osimhen because he's for the future, right?

My friend, the world cup is not for under aged players neither is for future prospect players. It's indeed for players that have proven themselves in top 10 leagues in Europe and Ajagun has really don that.


I know you target is not Ebere else I would have told you point blank that he deserves to be called.

No. Your problem is Ajagun. Why?

He is Blah Blah Blah... Old.

As you can see more than 10 - 12 of his age mates which is half of of the team are currently in the National team. Then, I don't think age is the problem.

Can you now give me another sensible and reasonable explaination for your disaproval of Ajagun?

eterisan:
egbon why wait for dust to settle. Did you wait before you and komekn stunk up this place with your negative prejudice about nwakali. Simple question you both can't answer. It is like you both think you are smarter than everyone here.

I don't want to reveal private stuff about myself, but I can tell you that I am one of the best in what I do and as a trained teacher I definitely know how to structure questions and target a specific point.

If you and bros komekn cannot give us just a name of one Nigerian player, foreign born or Naija born who is a special talent midfielder who deserves to be called up at this moment to just train with the national team.... Then I am sorry to say you should keep quiet [no shut the phuck up]. Never ever you criticise nwakali's call up again since you have nothing better to present. Good luck to you.

Really! Mr smarty! Lmao!

A living dog is better than a dead Lion.

Special talent that was demoted to a second after he couldn't demostrate his special talent in Eredivise. I see.

Oga, Abdul Ajagun and Ebere Eze are likened to the living dogs doing well in their clubs at the moment.

We are talking about a living dog at the moment.

Hope Nwakali shows himself in a decent league but for now he is just a prospect. Thanks

kellycute:
na you he ask? Or e be like say you be komek Cos I nor see reason why you say make he ask you after dust don settle.

We are all here to learn. So, there's nothing bad I attend to his question.

somehow:
Learnt from pep

Yeah! I think so. Wow! Clubs go dey chase am like mad.

fabyom:
An over-hyped Average team. If these guys beat us, I will quit this thread for life!

Average Kane, Average Ali, Average Raheem, Average Raheem.. Wow!

Nigerian definition of World class player na wetin den? Hahahahahaha!

zuchyblink:
Can't Ogu play LB?

daveP:
Same thought too. We should win. They've probably watched the Argentina match and will try to be all over us. They're talking tough already. But we'll do above them.

Really! I hope the coach gets selection and formation right.

I would like to see Rohr's preferred goalkeeper, wing backs, wingers and striker.

eterisan:
Thank you my sister. God bless you excellently. It is like you can read my mind. You understood exactly what I meant.

Infact I d'or epp bros komekn, as na my Warri bros. Mek him even mention any of him English /Nigerian players wey better pass nwakali for midfield to come train with the team.

I dey wait bros komekn.

How can you know when you have not seen others play?

Make we rest matter for now. After dust don settle ask me latter and I will give names of better players. Thanks

Truidstar:
Don't worry, we will be the first African side to beat England.

And that will be great.

Joebie:
The England friendly is not a do or die affair. Let’s meet England again at the WC proper. I would give Ndidi another match day rest and play him against Czech rather.

I concur with you. He should not be risked.

Martz101:
you mean before he hired you?

It doesn't change the fact that I rubbished him before. EOD

OMANBALA1:
Take some days off internet. You never know it might help.

Is that your definition of 'special talent'?

eterisan:
Please I beg you in the name of whatever God you serve, mention one special talent young midfielder who is a Nigerian [I don't mean Nigerian origin] and deserves to be called up at this moment to just train with the national team.

Just one. I want to be educated.

What a question?

eterisan:
Let's view this in retrospect. Post Oliseh guys like, idowu, Aina, ogu, Joel, Iheanacho, iwobi, awaziem, ndidi ebuehi were either not in the team or just joined. Phucking hell [sorry for my language] ighalo just came back against Cameroon.

What else do we expect from Rohr. Every player that was clamoured for here was invited, including Kayode. So we're is all this criticism coming from.

Maybe we don't know but this team was built during the qualifiers and amazingly we qualified for the world cup. Where were you when we missed WC and nations cup back to back. So forgiveness take a chill pill and enjoy the moment. Cos if you won't the rest of us will.... Have a good day

I should address lies na. Abi make I fold hand dey look?

komekn:
Over the years I have watched a lot of players and over time the cream rises to the top.

Football has progressed and we have hundreds of teenagers making waves at the highest level of football. There is no sentiment performance gets you recognition not past youthful glories.

Football is not mathematics according to you, I will not argue with that. Nonetheless, the performance of football is clearly measurable and quantifiable so it's somewhat mathematical in assessment.

Football performance is not the singular preserve of one individual to deduce outstanding performance. There has always been parameters and measurements to determine quality as well as upward future progress.


WHAT THEREFORE MAKES Nwakali a so-called special talent. He has played in the Eredivisie for a season without recognition. He has effectively been demoted to the second tier of Dutch football and even at this lowly level he is not an outstanding player.

He is not among to top 100 teenage footballers despite that misleading outdated local Spanish media outlet somebody used to misrepresent his quality here.

The only thing he has that is special is SPECAIL CONSIDERATION given to him by the powers that be to come into the SE set up. He was allowed to by pass fair-play, required quality and outstanding ability.
You have said the same thing about Osimhen again nothing special beyond once again special favoured consideration.

To hinge your position solely on Rohr said is really evasion of the facts and really unbecoming of you. O expect you to convince us with a rational approach.

My view let there be an open level playing field free from favouritism based on clear defined objective performance parameters. Not subjective personal judgement.

I do not take my hat off to the so called coaching crew. Primarily I know a few of them and they are not exactly football purists. They have other considerations in mind just like all football scouting teams across worldwide football.

Although, from top to finish you were spot on but the bolded simply buttressed the point.

And any reasonable objective and honest minded fellow will concur with you.

Petrobros:
Let's even say he did that. "He once...... " you said. But yours is every hour, everyday.

We have all accused Siasia and Keshi of nepotism at one time or the order. But why are you taking icon4s own personal?Some other people too have come here to corroborate Onigbinde's tribal selection at that 2002 WC.

Abeg are you a woman please let us know so will start addressing you as a "she".

Oga! Park well.

krattoss:
U heard it from me first

What a way to bow out

He is smartess coach in the world. Wow! He will be hot cake.

Icon4s:
Thanks bro.

My people, see the simple honest comment I made that has made forgiveness tag me a tribalist all these years!

cc: Kog45

Fake prove. Hahahaha!

Look up for the real one.

Besides, your gbegiri and ewedu stew rubbing comments are still testifying to your face. Sorry.

OMANBALA1:
"What I said was that "the general opinion of people" then was that Onigbinde took Opabunmi and Adepoju (not even Ogbeche) to Korea/ Japan for tribal reasons.

I have said it here before that I was a sport writer in the late 90s but though I did less of it as at 2002. Onigbinde was interviewed by the Nigerian press on why he took both players to the WC. He said (quote me any where) that Adepoju(who he called his joker) and Opabunmi were his boys. The general public definitely will take that as tribal sentiment. And that was exactly how they saw it even in the Press Circles.

This very obvious incidence was what I pointed out and he tagged me as a tribalist!

In another post I highlighted the fact that he has remained till date the last coach from that part of country. This statement which is obvious truth and the one highlighted above are what he has been pointing to for the past 3 or 4 years. "














Icons4, I remember that exchanges vividly and Onigbinde's response about taking an almost retired Adepoju who has absolutely nothing to offer, an Opabumi which is like taking Chukwueze not even Nwakali because Opabumi was never a special talent. Yes, he openly admitted he took his "boys" to the world cup for personal reasons and it was shocking to hear such nonsense from not just a national team coach but from a respected football technician. After that interview people tagged him a tribalist because those his "boys" were Yoruba's

Special talent is what?

I am beginning to ask myself what is the definition of special talent here.

maidaboi:
dude he has been ignoring you since and i think today its was kog45 that make him to talk about it today and he has clear the air and we know your are twisting his words
WHY?

Why was he dragging my moniker into mood if he has ignored me?

I am only reminding of his sin and his sins is finding him out.

However, did I twist his words in the above comment?

It was glaring he once castigated a Nigerian coach for Nepotism. Fact

Why is he against the same the opinion he once held?

[quote author=Taliban post=68058087][/quote]I appreciate sir but I just wanted to clear the air. That's all.

He has been served.

Now, the world knows better he is a two faced double standard fellow.

Anyway, I don't have anything against him. Remember, the motive behind my moniker is forgiveness. Cheers!

Icon4s:
Firstly, let me clear the air on Onigbinde issue because that seems to be the only thing Mr Forgiveness has been pointing at and using to tag me a tribalist.

Anybody that can go back and dig up that particular comment should please do. I don't have enough time I would have dug it up myself. Or let forgiveness dig it up and post it here this moment.

What I said was that "the general opinion of people" then was that Onigbinde took Opabunmi and Adepoju (not even Ogbeche) to Korea/ Japan for tribal reasons.

I have said it here before that I was a sport writer in the late 90s but though I did less of it as at 2002. Onigbinde was interviewed by the Nigerian press on why he took both players to the WC. He said (quote me any where) that Adepoju(who he called his joker) and Opabunmi were his boys. The general public definitely will take that as tribal sentiment. And that was exactly how they saw it even in the Press Circles.

This very obvious incidence was what I pointed out and he tagged me as a tribalist!

In another post I highlighted the fact that he has remained till date the last coach from that part of country. This statement which is obvious truth and the one highlighted above are what he has been pointing to for the past 3 or 4 years.

Now, I know the thinking is that I hate Onigbinde because he is a Yoruba man.

But what if I tell you that High Chief Adegboyega Festus Onigbinde is my inlaw?

He and my wife are from Modakeke in Osun state, and not that alone they are from the same part of Modakeke that have a common ancestry!

Any body that thinks I have tribalism in my blood is definitely having a very false impression. I was born in Yoruba land, I had all my education including my first degree in Yoruba. I am married to a Yoruba woman and all my children bear Yoruba names not just at home but as their official names in school. My closest friends in life till today are Northerners(most of whom are even Muslims) followed by the Yorubas.

Now, one thing I can say is if I want to criticize some body I do so without considering his ethnicity or religious back ground. Same goes for when I want to praise someone. For eg I have said it here on countless occasions that Emmanuel Amuneke was my childhood friend and hero. When he won the U17 WC I praised him to high heavens but when he failed at U20 I dont think any one here criticised his team selection as much as I did.

Obefemi Martins, just like the Amunekes, was a boy I saw when he was growing up. He used to come watch us play at the White sand pitch at Orile-Iganmu, in Lagos. When we the older oyounger ones then would take over.
Martins watched me play.
But when the clamor for his inclusion in this current team was taking place here did you see me join in? Because objectively speaking I knew he would not really make any difference at this point in his career.

And wait for the shocker, a member of the current Super Eagles team is a distant cousin from my mother's side. And yes I know it would be difficult to figure out that player because I have not been carrying any singular player's matter like gala on my head.

And now Mr Forgiveness, I have decided not to respond to any of those dirty jokes you throw at me (cos I see them as jokes), not because I am timid, not because I cannot speak for myself but because I don't want to rub myself on the mud. You purposely try to provoke me so I can join you on the floor right? But no because I don't take you serious. I don't even read most of your comments on here anymore because you have lost it completely.

I don't know you in person but if this is how you actually reason in life, then it is so so unfortunate. I will not ask you to stop throwing stinking things at me. If you like you continue. But just know that you have become a big distraction to this thread and I will continue to ignore you until you change your manner of approach here.

Stop the cry and face the music.

Did you personally accused Onigbinde for nepotism or tribalism? Yes or No

Did you you personal accused Onigbinde for taking Ogbeche to the world Cup? Yes or No?

Icon4s:
There is this different passion with which u defend players like: Dominic Solanke, Obafemi Martins, Taye Taiwo, Juwon Oshaniwa, Tiago Ilori, Sadiq Umar, Odubajo, Raheem Lawal. I suspected u were from a particular part of the country. And i was right.

Bros dnt follow d way of Onigbinde o. U remember what he did at the 2002 WC?
He later did same as d coach of 3SC a year later. The results were nt good o.

What is the way of Onigbinde?

Is this also the fake public opinion of the people or your personal opinion?

You were even given serious warning not to follow that way. Right?

What did Onigbinde do at 3SC?

Icon4s:
Bros where u been for days now?

Peeps here been wanting u to come defend ur case on Solanke Vs Iheanacho

I'll Be waiting for the response on the Onigbinde case.

You even affirmed that Onigbinde way was a case study and you wanted to discuss that case (the way of Onigbinde).

Icon4s:
Recall his comment when asked abt y he took Adepoju(hu was virtually called back frm retirement) and Opabunmi to the 2002 WC when it was obvious they were nt good enough at that time to make d team.Remember he dropped Finidi George, Sunday Oliseh, Tijani Babangida and Victor Ikpeba. The Nigerian press tagged him a tribalist nt jst bc he picked Opabunmi and Adepoju ahead of the above mentioned Golden generation Eagles bt bc of the ethnocentric reason behind his decision. It was d Ibadan connection though Onigbinde is from Modakeke bt was based in Ibadan jst like Adepoju and Opabunmi.

U remember what he said when appointed Shooting stars coach for the 2003/2004 season? He said he wanted to build a 3SC team that will comprise only of the Yoruba players. 3SC managed to escape relegation that season and Onigbinde was fired .
Have u noticed he is d last Yoruba to coach d Super Eagles.

Although i still respect that man a lot. U know he laid d foundation for the rise of Gambian football.

After making your case with reference that can't be supported with facts, you made it clear that because of the nepotism and corruption way of Onigbinde at the 2002 WC he is the last Yoruba to coach the national team. I don't want to talk about that expression.

These are your personal views.

Why are you pointing accusing fingers when I gave my opinion as Nepotism?

Besides, you have used personal derogatory names on me because you supposed I am Yoruba.

Do you want me to show the world again.

Abusule007:
If you want to know how Nwakali made the 35 man list, go and ask Rohr, Pinnick, NFF or the Super Eagles na or are we him? Him we are? We him are? Him are we? We are him?

Abeg drop the matter and move on.

Hahahahahaha!