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TheSuperNerd:
The price Newcastle wanted to pay was never truly revealed becos Kayode was in Englamd for final talks which never happened again. Simple. No thanks to Man City's interference. But Newcastle and Benitez were confident of landing Kayode before that twist....

I really don't have time now to begin digging up archives of reports of the happenings leading up to Kayode's potential Newcastle move and layer hijack by City... But look at this...




Newcastle are reportedly favourites to sign Austria Wien attacker Olanrewaju Kayode this summer after he smashed his way to the top of the Austrian Bundesliga goalscoring charts last season.

African outlet Score Nigeria claimed sources have revealed that the 24-year-old is expected to sign with the Toon within the next few days, with only a work permit likely to be the only stumbling block.

However, those behind the deal are said to be confident that Kayode’s work permit will go through successfully and the three-time Nigeria international will be a Newcastle player before the end of the window.

https://thisisfutbol.com/2017/08/blogs/transfer-talk-newcastle-favourites-to-land-kayode/

Newcastle badly needed Kayode and were willing to negotiate a price that will make his work permit case valid and good....


Now here is a site to show you something on Prices/transfers of players affecting work permits...



The appeals process is a points based system under which the panel will award points depending on the circumstances of the transfer. If a player scores four points or more, the panel may recommend that the application is granted. Nonetheless, the panel can still reject the application even if four or more points are scored.

Criteria:
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is in the top 25% of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows

Point: 3 points



Criteria:
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th % of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows
Point: 2 points

Criteria:
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club is in the top 25% of the top 30 earners at the club
Point: 3 points

Criteria:
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are
between the 50th and 75th % of all the top 30 earners at the club
Points: 2 points


Criteria:
The player’s current club is in a Top League[3] and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes
Points: 1 point


Criteria:
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes
Point: 1 point




If the player does not meet the above points based system review, there is a secondary examination under which if the player scores 5 points or more, the panel may recommend that an application is granted. Points can be scored if, for example, the player has played in the final qualification rounds of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes. The review at this stage is more flexible meaning that the panel can take into account the circumstances if no transfer fee is payable (perhaps because the player has reached the end of his contract) or if the player satisfies some but not all of the automatic criteria.



http://www.danielgeey.com/the-foreigner-debate-the-fas-new-work-permit-regulations-explained/


[b]Based on all these... Kayode was surely in with a good chance of landing a work permit [/b]had the Newcastle deal been carried out to fruition. He took the "greedy" route of "Big club" lure....

By greed I obviously mean the pride of being associated with a big club... Man city didn't offer more... They just offered prestige which Kayode craved.

Can you please highlight the criteria he met to get 5 points that qualified him for a work permit based on the criteria up there? Thanks

TheSuperNerd:
Nope not after the arsenal game naa... Didn't you see where I said we should not address just the first 10 games alone...?

But in that first half of the season, Nacho missed 12 straight games between October 21st and January 20th by either being on the bench or not making the squad altogether.
Puel was in now or later along the line and Nacho's physical conditioning was still not up to par before January even.

Nacho didn't have a preseason and suffered a toe injury in Leicester's final preseason game (or last but one preseason game coz I know they played Wolves too) that limited his influence/performamces on field for weeks going into a few months... He never got 90mins or even 80 mins again after that Arsenal game... Does this not mean or signify anything to you?

Is it Kayode that had preseason or is it Kayode that didn't have injury and missed 5 straight matches from October to December? In January he was already out because he demanded for transfer. How come you are not using that same excuse to judge Kayode?

Pls, note that before both had injuries Kayode was better during those moments. That is the koko.

TheSuperNerd:
So Newcastle were gonna kill themselves for a player that will not feature in the EPL abi? Lol... I followed the kayode to Newcastle saga... Bemitez badly wanted his man. Kayode was that man. They were ready to do whatever possible to sign him and in fact kayode was already in England to seal the deal.... But the greed of "I am in a big club" made him mess up the deal.... Newcastle offered more. New outlets did say that work permit was a concern at first but Newcastle were very confident of a deal that will secure work permit for Kayode... It is all there on the internet.

Newcastle being that confident shows that they were willing to cough out more than 3.5 million for him. Kayode was Austrian league's MVP for Goodness sake! They knew the cards they had to play to get him that work permit. Transfer fee and pay package is also a major determinant in determine if a deal is qualified for a work permit apart from a player's international caps (He has three at the time I think).

SO your sources only showed Man City paid less and not having this permit was obvious because the transfer price was even too low for Kayode. Thus he could be farmed out... And did he meet a brick wall in Spain? Nope... He just walked right in. No hitches and began playing his football.


The fact remains that you celebrated Kayode's move so much that you even said that it meant he was better than Iheanacho because Man City under Pep sold him but went on to buy Kayode..... When people reminded you that Pep and Man City inserted a buy back clause, you didn't care to listen to that Angle... All you care about was that Kayode was now at a BIGGER CLUB, Man City, than Nacho was which is Leicester... It was so funny and really again showed your personal attachment to this kayode cause.

It is not bad to like a player. In fact it is okay really... But don't let your likeness for that player make you see others in realy bad light because you want me to even lie that Nacho and Musa had a bad first half of the sesosn than Kayode... Kayode got his chances and was not even performing compared to the little Nacho got and the chances Musa never even got.

Fast forward now... We can see NLS who the better among them all are... And this is part of why Kayode is not on the list to Russia. It is unfortunate for him but he should not sulk for long... He should keep his head up and keep working because Shahktar may even sign permanently and he gets to ppkay UCL football.

At least, I am gving you facts to debunk your opinion.

Can you pls tell me what will qualify Kayode for a work permit if the reliable source is not correct?

Prove it with facts with a reliable source.

While you are it, KAYODE WAS NOT QUALIFIED FOR WORK PERMIT BASED ON THAT RELIABLE SOURCE. Except you want to tell me Newcastle was ready to pay hefty price than Man City for him. This one to must be confirmed by a reliable source.

It is nolonger greed, na big big club!?

Chrismario:
Performing against Roma should not be the yardstick of measuring quality.

He flop-ped, that's a past tense and like kome.kn always say, itvis donkey years ago. We are talking of present situation. He is just lucky, he hit a bicycle kick against Juve and everyone started talking about him. He didn't stop, he added a few more.

You have made your point known.
Support the team, Dats the spirit of true fan

And is telling you I will support Iceland of Croatia?

It does not blind my eyes to pick holes.

Chrismario:
Performing against Roma should not be the yardstick of measuring quality.

He flop-ped, that's a past tense and like kome.kn always say, itvis donkey years ago. We are talking of present situation. He is just lucky, he hit a bicycle kick against Juve and everyone started talking about him. He didn't stop, he added a few more.

You have made your point known.
Support the team, Dats the spirit of true fan

Doesn't change the fact that he is up and good against a good Seria A team. EOD

TheSuperNerd:
I have already addressed the first half of the season as regards Nacho, Musa and Kayode. Kayode had far more minutes than them both and didn't perform. So how can they bebsaid to be poorer than Kayode in that first half of the season? Second time I am saying almost exactly these words.....

Where is the fitness that had his game time run at topsy turvy levels after thst Arsenal game even to the extent he missed 12 straight games? Nacho never got the run of games he deserved and his fitness, physical conditioning (no thanks to lack of preseason) and settling in all played an interwoven part. His second half of the season even improved with him featuring a bit more after his fitness issues were over which was what I predicted correctly in January after Slimani and Ulloa each moved.

Shakespeare kept mentioning updates about Nacho's physical conditioning and his fitness because he never had a pre-season and also picked up a toe injury in his only pre season game even... He had a niggling relapse of same toe injury in that Arsenal game. Shakespeare admitted that he was just trying to get Nacho up to speed because his toe injury was still a worry but he also had to give Nacho a fee mins Here and there to help with his conditioning due to lack of preseason on Nacho's part.

How you can so blatantly lie to yourself and choose to ignore whole facts about these beats me. But it is fine shaa. It is okay.



This is the truth behind Nacho's first half of the season... No excuses. Just the honest truth. And you wamt me to bring myself and tell a lie that he had a poorer first half sesosn than Kayode?? Holy smokes... Just cannot and won't happen. Kayode had far more mins and blew it... He was that poor. No injury factor even... He just couldn't perform in LA liga. Live with it.

Are you saying he missed 12 straight games after the Arsenal match? Can you pls show me the lists of those matches?

Pls, show me facts and I will believe you my good friend. That's all

TheSuperNerd:
Fact is that Newcastle wanted Kayode. In fact, agreement was sealed. Kayode was even in England because of the Newcastle deal. You are only using work permit ish now to cover for Kayode's inability to gain any relevance at the etihad. Kwantinue okay.

There was no mention of work permit ish when this Newcastle deal was almost sealed. Kayode was immediately farmed out to LA liga by Man City and began playing sef with no hitches... How e come be work permit ish? You are just cooking up inexistential excuses for him. It is stale Egbon... Very stale. Fact is Kayode was never in the picture at the etihad. It is the Truth you refuse to acknowledge.

On K.Nwakali.. Even when he was at VVV Venlo... We all knew what you said. Holland is less in quality than so and so...


So playing for Ajax or Feyenoord or PSV would have done it ba? What about the league strength? Eredivisie is not even mates with Ligue 1 these days not to mention Portuguese league before even the Biggest Four comes in (Spain, England, Germany, Italy).




Egbon Forgiveness, I remember you said that Ajagun as AM was doing it as the only Nigerian in Europe more consistently than any Nigerian in the world... He was in Holland ooo.. Now he is in Belgium oooo... Playing for Kortrijk not even Anderlecht or Club Brugges... But you didn't send oooo.. It didn't matter to you abi... You were all for his performances... Oya do same for Simy too... Crotone... But difference is that he is in a BIG LEAGUE. You just cannot dribble pass that fact... It is glaring.

TheSuperNerd:
Kayode have never trained at the Etihad. I think that is a good place for you to start. What I have told you is what it is.... but ofcos I don't expect you to believe it.

Kayode chose wrong because of greed and the lure of "big club" [/b]so that he may get Rohr's attention in a bigger way. He went about things the wrong way. [b]Newcastle was there and Who knows how his season would have turned out had he gone to Newcastle and showed the EPL the Kayode that no one has seen yet.

Look... your defence for Kayode is over the top. I too felt for Kayode when the 30-man list was released but move on we must. It was always between Simy and Kayode.. and unfortunately for Kayode... Simy was picked and justifiably so too when you consider why.
Kayode plays in Ukraine and only started his resurgence... Simy does his thing in the Serie A and have shown his stuff against teams like even Juventus. Serie A and Ukrainian league no be mate on any universe. This is what you would normally say if the tables were turned.

When it comes to K.Nwakali, you are first to remind everyone that he plays in Holland bla bla bla... bow do same with Kayode and Simy... you refuse. Sir Forgiveness.. plsss be consistently objective. We want the good of this team... The forwards picked merited their places. That is the whole truth.

Manchester City agree £3.5m deal for Olarenwaju Kayode but summer signing No 7 will be immediately loaned out FC Girona
Manchester City have agreed to sign Austria Vienna striker Olarenwaju Kayode
The Premier League club will pay a £3.5million transfer fee for the 24-year-old
Kayode will spend the 2017-18 season on loan at La Liga outfit FC Girona
City have now done deals to sign seven players this summer, spending £225m
By SIMON JONES FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 16:06 BST, 14 August 2017 | UPDATED: 16:17 BST, 14 August 2017

Manchester City have agreed to sign Austria Vienna striker Olarenwaju Kayode for £3.5million but will loan him immediately to FC Girona.

The 24-year-old Nigeria international had also been a target for Burnley and Newcastle United.

But they would have had to pay more to ensure he gained a work permit to play in this country this season, as he just two caps to date.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4789542/Manchester-City-agree-3-5m-deal-Olarenwaju-Kayode.html


Was Kayode qualified for work permit even if he went to Newcastle? But you presumed he was greedy and would had played in the EPL.

Did Newcastle offered more than Man City?

This a known fact and all you have said are just your own opinion. EOD

TheSuperNerd:
Looolll... So you have looked at the first half of the season data and limited it to just the first 10 abi?

Naaah... Let us talk about the whole first half of the season... because it is on record that Nacho's toe complaint was a painfully niggling issue that limited his performances on field. So you refuse to look at the 12 game period for which Nacho was never featured abi? Looolll... You come limit am to just first 10 games... Egbon plsss analyse the whole first half because we know the full story of Nacho's struggle to settle in no thanks to that unfortunate toe injury which kept coming and going before he finally got the better of it.

Plesea, let us agree that we are still discussing both players first half of the season. Agreed?

TheSuperNerd:
Iheanacho was not fit for all parts of the first half of the season and I believe the previous pages of this huge thread did justice to that with news and updates. Feel free to scroll back and check them up. You denying knowledge of Iheanacho's toe injury relapse after that first Arsenal game (when he came in as a sub) is very very funny. Leicester kept updating the public before every match day us on how he was trying to battle out of his toe injury and how they must take it easy on him. And how ehen he is fully fit, Leicester will see the best of Nacho... these were even Shakespeare's comments. Egbon Forgiveness... you not knowing this shows your argument is invalid. I will end it here.

I answered you according to the tenor of your comment based on the bolded. You said got toe injury relapse after the Arsenal game which ws the first game of the season for the club, right?

How many matches did he miss after the match? Only two but he was one the bench after the Arsenal match which is one of the two matches.

He started two in two of the matches he played at a stretch before he was left on the bench for the one match and played another 3 matches at a stretch. Meaning he missed only 3 matches in 3 months.

Please, where is the injury in the first half of the season that had him played in almost all the matches for 3 good months?

Admit, Iheanacho was poorer than Kayode in the first half of the season. No excuse.

safarigirl:
which players do we have that are close enough to the quality of those guys that have been overlooked?

Name two players of that quality, in that age bracket that has been excluded from this team. I find this statement baseless, you are just being emotional

You said Kayode na wash but I made it clear to you that those two aforementioned players came from the same worwor league to outshine our own in the leagues they went. Chikena.

Lokosa and Eze are better than what we have on ground, right?

It is your opinion and it is my opinion. Stick to it and I stick to mine. No wahala. Chikena

TheSuperNerd:
Kayode have never trained at the Etihad. I think that is a good place for you to start. What I have told you is what it is.... but ofcos I don't expect you to believe it.

Kayode chose wrong because of greed and the lure of "big club" so that he may get Rohr's attention in a bigger way. He went about things the wrong way. Newcastle was there and Who knows how his season would have turned out had he gone to Newcastle and showed the EPL the Kayode that no one has seen yet.

Look... your defence for Kayode is over the top. I too felt for Kayode when the 30-man list was released but move on we must. It was always between Simy and Kayode.. and unfortunately for Kayode... Simy was picked and justifiably so too when you consider why.
Kayode plays in Ukraine and only started his resurgence... Simy does his thing in the Serie A and have shown his stuff against teams like even Juventus. Serie A and Ukrainian league no be mate on any universe. This is what you would normally say if the tables were turned.

When it comes to K.Nwakali, you are first to remind everyone that he plays in Holland bla bla bla... bow do same with Kayode and Simy... you refuse. Sir Forgiveness.. plsss be consistently objective. We want the good of this team... The forwards picked merited their places. That is the whole truth.

Simy resurgence started when?

Over 45 matches in the Seria A for two seasons, how many goals has he scored as a striker?

I know Simy more than many of you here and I knew he also flopped twice in the Portuguese league before he came to Seria A.

Kayode has also performed against Roma on two occasions. So, it's not a big deal.

safarigirl:
let us look past the ridiculousness of comparing Mane and Keita to Kayode, desperation will make someone even call zobo red wine

Did those two players make their own moves in a world cup year? Abi in your bid to drag a dead argument, you missed that point?


Please, stop crying up and down, it is starting to look pathetic. All your wailing cannot put Kayode on the list. Obviously, even if it was a 35-man list and he had somehow made it, he no for still enter 23-man list and you would have still wailed


Better he knows where he stands now rather than for anybody to be giving him false hope

E don do abeg.

PS: Kayode obviously never impressed Rohr, club performance does not get you a spot in the team. He was given chances in the GwG, and he failed to take advantage. Let him bid his time, maybe he will make AFCON team if he is as good as you are forcing us to believe

If Mane Sadio and Keita were Nigerians, they will never smell the national team.

safarigirl:
Furthermore, it rewks of desperation that you, oga forgiveness, will compare the minutes of a full season for Kelechi, Simy and Musa to half season for Kayode

If you are comparing half seasons, do so for all three, if it is full, join Kayode's time at Girona as well, let us make comparisons on even ground

Follow the discussion before you start jumping into discuss. Thanks

TheSuperNerd:
Kayode have never trained at the Etihad. I think that is a good place for you to start. What I have told you is what it is.... but ofcos I don't expect you to believe it.

Kayode chose wrong because of greed and the lure of "big club" so that he may get Rohr's attention in a bigger way. He went about things the wrong way. Newcastle was there and Who knows how his season would have turned out had he gone to Newcastle and showed the EPL the Kayode that no one has seen yet.

Look... your defence for Kayode is over the top. I too felt for Kayode when the 30-man list was released but move on we must. It was always between Simy and Kayode.. and unfortunately for Kayode... Simy was picked and justifiably so too when you consider why.
Kayode plays in Ukraine and only started his resurgence... Simy does his thing in the Serie A and have shown his stuff against teams like even Juventus. Serie A and Ukrainian league no be mate on any universe. This is what you would normally say if the tables were turned.

When it comes to K.Nwakali, you are first to remind everyone that he plays in Holland bla bla bla... bow do same with Kayode and Simy... you refuse. Sir Forgiveness.. plsss be consistently objective. We want the good of this team... The forwards picked merited their places. That is the whole truth.

Nwakali is in the lowly second division of Eredivise. Please don't bring that into play.

If he was playing in PSV or Ajax, who am I to blah blah?

Do you know why what you wrote up there is just your opinion? There's is no fact to back it up.

And to rub salt on injury, Kayode WAS NEVER QUALIFIED for work permit even if he signed for Newcastle.

TheSuperNerd:
You only say the bolded now because you refuse to acknowledge the argument line that says EPL and Serie A are Waaaaayyyyy bigger than the Ukrainian league. And The Russian League is also bigger than the Ukrainian league. If Kayode was playing in the EPL now, and Maybe a Musa in the Ukrainian league for Shahktar, you won't play the "Shaktar is bigger" card Egbon... You will play "the EPL is way bigger" card be it in terms of quality of oppositions, players and more.

I remember when Kayode signed for Man City on loan... You were rubbing it in everyone's faces that Man City sold Nacho and signed Kayode... You didn't even wanna acknowledge that Man City sold Nacho with a buy back clause. You were just on and on about Kayode joining City. You and I Know that if Kayode had played one game for City, you will be using that as yardstick as well... Dont lie Egbon... We have played this kinda ping pong before so we know each other


Kayode had more chances to feature in the first half of the LA liga season compared to Nacho and Musa in the first half of the EPL season... Kayode had more minutes than both of them all before January even. #Fact.

Musa was not rated by Shakespeare and Nacho had to battle with a toe injury which limited greatly his integration into the Leicester team.

EPL and Seria A are wayyyy bigger than the Ukrainian league but Shakhtar Donetsk is better and bigger than Leicester city, CSKA Moscow and Cronto. There quality of play is lower than Shakhtar Donetsk.

TheSuperNerd:
Iheanacho was not fit for all parts of the first half of the season and I believe the previous pages of this huge thread did justice to that with news and updates. Feel free to scroll back and check them up. You denying knowledge of Iheanacho's toe injury relapse after that first Arsenal game (when he came in as a sub) is very very funny. Leicester kept updating the public before every match day us on how he was trying to battle out of his toe injury and how they must take it easy on him. And how ehen he is fully fit, Leicester will see the best of Nacho... these were even Shakespeare's comments. Egbon Forgiveness... you not knowing this shows your argument is invalid. I will end it here.

How many matches did Iheanacho miss at the first half of the season due to injury? Out of the first 10 matches of the season?

This will solve the puzzle. After all, I can learn new thing today if I see facts.

andrew444:
Shaktar is the best club in Ukraine unless you are looking at history then you can call dynamo Kiev.

Shaktar will not dominate Russia,the Cska boys are good there is also zenith the big spenders what about locomotive Moscow ?

Shaktar has won 1 Europa league and Cska has won 1 Europa league,shaktar best champions league performance is round of 16 while Cska Moscow has been in the quarter finals 2009-10 season,so how is shaktar a barter club than Cska ? Or is it because they normally pack Brazilians from Brazil league ?

The current UEFA club ratings suggest that Shakhtar Donetsk and Dynamo Kiev are better than CSKA Moscow.

TheSuperNerd:
But Egbon... Kayode did move and Newcastle wanted him badly. Infact he was supposed to sign for them and feature in the EPL but someone or something ill-advused him and turned his head with a man city offer. It was even a loan offer. They obviously deceived Kayode into thinking he can break into that Man City team. Kayode was not realistic... He followed greed and chose a man city loan for himself when to pep it was all just a business tactic to buy Austria's MVP and resell him based on that prestige and earn some extra change (money) for the City group.

Pep simply had no single plan for Kayode. That is the truth. Kayode should have gone for an EPL club that wanted to sign him outright...

Is this a fact or speculation? If it fact, please kindly provide the evidence that backs your claim that Manchester City doesn't have a plan.

TheSuperNerd:
But how can theirs be poorer when both had less game time compared to Kayode even? Kayode bettered them in the game time dept and still didn't perform. This is just for the first half of the season. Meanwhile Nacho was injured for a good part of the first half of the season while Musa was hardly given a chance.

Iheanacho and Musa were fit for the first half of the season.

Even though Iheanacho was fit and played for the first half of the season, he didn't perform. We all know how poor he was in the first half of the season.

Musa was with the U23. Is that better than Kayode's first half season?


Can you please show me the matches he missed due to injury in the first half of the season and the length of the injury with facts?


Does it change the fact that Kayode's first half of the season was far better than that of Iheanacho and Musa?

Truidstar:
You are not getting my point. Patience. If he had remained in Austria and kept the same form he displayed, he would make the cut for the world cup. He goes to the world cup and does well. His market value goes up. Its a win -win situation.

How can Kayode who was ignored by the coach despite the fact that he was the highest goalscorer and the best player in the same Austria league make the list?

He was told to move away from the Austrian league if he wants to make the team which he did.

Do you want him to disobey the same people who determines who makes the list?

TheSuperNerd:
You only say the bolded now because you refuse to acknowledge the argument line that says EPL and Serie A are Waaaaayyyyy bigger than the Ukrainian league. And The Russian League is also bigger than the Ukrainian league. If Kayode was playing in the EPL now, and Maybe a Musa in the Ukrainian league for Shahktar, you won't play the "Shaktar is bigger" card Egbon... You will play "the EPL is way bigger" card be it in terms of quality of oppositions, players and more.

I remember when Kayode signed for Man City on loan... You were rubbing it in everyone's faces that Man City sold Nacho and signed Kayode... You didn't even wanna acknowledge that Man City sold Nacho with a buy back clause. You were just on and on about Kayode joining City. You and I Know that if Kayode had played one game for City, you will be using that as yardstick as well... Dont lie Egbon... We have played this kinda ping pong before so we know each other


Kayode had more chances to feature in the first half of the LA liga season compared to Nacho and Musa in the first half of the EPL season... Kayode had more minutes than both of them all before January even. #Fact.

Musa was not rated by Shakespeare and Nacho had to battle with a toe injury which limited greatly his integration into the Leicester team.

First of all, your statement that Kayode's season in the first half at Girona-fc was poor, right? Agreed


Now, do you also agree that Iheanacho and Musa's first half season were poorer than Kayode's first half of the season in the la Liga?

I can also make excuses for Kayode.

Martz101:
This is the problem with Nigerians, Nigeria is done with Ambrose, ambrose is as old as Echiejile even at his best he was never good enough to be trusted in CB position

If we should be having players in the reserve team, it should be younger players and not dead logs

That's the major problem with Nigerians. You discard your best performing players just in the name of old age and rebuilding.


Which nation does that because of age?

You don't even know what you are saying.

lexyman:
what about the quality of the league ?

There are some factors used to rate a player. One of them is the quality of the league and the other is the quality of the team/club.

Going by the quality of the team, I don't think Shakhtar Donetsk is a weakling compared to those clubs involved neither is is it a weakling to any of the top 5 in those major clubs. In short, Shahktar Donetsk and the second best club in Ukraine will dominate the Russian league. Fact.

zuchyblink:
To Oga Forgiveness :Ukrainian league of all places. Oga no matter how you try to paint Kayode as Lionel Messi he remains a poor player. He has not proved himself. Kayode is a flash in the pan

I know why he is a poor player to you and I already know it has nothing to do with football reasoning.

The future will tell. You are not God.

Truidstar:
The simple truth is that Kayode goofed big time. Either because of greed, bad advice from his agents or some other factors. You don't leave a club where you are banging in goals week in week out for fools gold in Man City with less than a year to the world cup. If he had remained at Austria Wein and maintained the same form, Rohr would have found it difficult to ignore him. Better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond. This is a valuable lesson for Kayode and others.

Why didn't you tell Sadio Mane and Gaby Keita to remain in Austria?

Do you pray to be stagnate or progress?

TheSuperNerd:
Egbon... if we go by "negative what IFs" all the time... we won't also be able to walk out our doors every morning because we would be asking "What if the sun turns extremely and dangerously supernova tomorrow thereby threatening our very existence?"

All these instances you raise are okay but dwelling on them like you expect them to happen is not healthy. It is almost as if you want it to happen so that your point can be driven home... but I have to tell you to please chill aiit. Our players will be fit for the mundial... all of them. The signs are good so far and hopefully it stays that way. The season is over. It is just the FA Cup final involving Moses and then the friendlies... chikena.

Ants are considered wise because they prepare against tomorrow.

Can you please remind me of the day Mikel Obi and Echejile got injured prior to the 2010 WC?

Oyinbo man doesn't pray, he prepares against all odds and that is why they are where they are today.

You don't pray for evil but you prepare against evil.

TheSuperNerd:
@Bolded... the logic is not cogent at all. Fact is that Shaktar is in Ukraine. Why changing logics now to "if Shaktar was in EPL, or serie A, they will make top 4"? Egbon, I will be honest. It is not true.

Nacho in the EPL, Simy in the Serie A, and Musa in Russian premier league all play in leagues bigger than the Ukrainian league and over the course the season they have better performances and stats compared to Kayode...

You are using Nacho's and Simy's full season stats in two of the biggest top five leagues in the world to compare with Kayode's half season stats in the Ukrainian league.. it is not a balanced analysis at all.

Shahktar Donetsk is bigger and better than Leicester City, CSKA Moscow and Cronto. Fact

And doesn't change the quality of play of Shakhtar Donetsk over these clubs. These clubs will struggle to get top 5 in the Ukrainian league though CSKA Moscow may make the first 3 or 4 based on club rankings.

But you claimed Kayode performance in the first half of the season was poor. Do agree Iheanacho and Musa performance in the first half of the season was even poorer than Kayode's first half of the season?

No! I used both Kayode's first half of the season in La Liga which is better than these aforementioned players and the second half of the season which is all as good as some of these players.

Martz101:
I doubt you have seen lokosa play but sentiments won't allow you to be objective about issues like this

Is Lokosa better than Kayode? Yes or no?

Martz101:
Agbo is a defender too

Is Agbo better than Ambrose?

Chrismario:
Oga, he did better than none of those you mentioned above. The stat is close but considering their respective league, his exclusion is well justified!

Even when Kayode was in the la Liga, his first half season was better than some. It's not justified.

TheSuperNerd:
Nacho had 8 goals and 4 assists Egbon! The others are correct... and plsss are you now trying to say Kayode did better than them all? So the Ukrainian league is now bigger and better than The EPL, Russian League and Serie A abi?

Kayode had a poor first half of the season at Girona (no thanks to some game time ish too shaa). He is having a late resurgence at Shahktar. Let is rest Egbon. Kayode is still part of the fringes of the team. It is not over for him just as it is not over for Onyekuru and co.

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You are right about the 4 assists but it doesn't dissanul that fact that all these players performance woefully this season which is below their standards.

All had a poor first half of the season, nevertheless Kayode performance in the first half of the season was still far better than Iheancho and Musa in the league.

Like I said all are in the same category. Nothing spectacular.

Shakhtar Donetsk is still far better than Leicester City, CSKA Moscow and Cronte. Even if these clubs plays in the Ukrainian league, they will still be dominated by Shakhtar Donetsk and if Shakhtar Donetsk plays in these leagues Shakhtar Donetsk will still be in the top 4. If I am lying or exaggerating ask Manchester City and Roma.

It doesn't take away the quality of Shahktar Donetsk.

My good friend, Kayode will be deceiving himself if he thinks he has a future with the National team under this present coaching crew. He should focus on his club career and forget about the National team. This is my humble advice to him and this is not the first time I am saying these.

TheSuperNerd:
Preach Egbon! Eze this, Eze that... Tell them!

I hope nothing happens to any of our defenders else Eze will be on the bench against Croatian, Iceland or Argentina and we know anything can still happen that could force us to play him. Hehehehe! Very scary scenerio.

andrew444:
Brazil didn't list backup but if someone is injured another player will be drafted in,all these 30 man list na long thing,7 players will be omitted and you can already guess 5 of them right

They must submit the back ups to FIFA.