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maidaboi:
chelsea na barca wife

Which wife?

Even Messi dares not say so.

Before the last match Chelsea don beat Barcelona more.

edi287:
Who was arguing if Suarez is better overall?? I said he was not better before 2013/14. That's my argument.

Oga, Make we forget stori.

kingphilip:
na to wait for opari master epistle remain o

Em go fit gader liver come talk 4 here?

I said Barcelona were overrated by Conte. We for don beat dem for Chelsea well well before we go to their home come flog dem put. Conte messed up big time.

Klopp tactics today na baba. Guardiola sorry, gra gra no dey win ooooo.

Yeah menh! Those two clubs are out.

goldfish80:
How are you sure those you listed wouldn't turn him to a centre back or goal keeper?
If Moses was an interesting enough player, why have none of them enquired for his services?
What is feeding your imagination that they will turn Moses to a better Salah?
I want to learn from you.

You are only digressing. Victor Moses will improve under those coaches because we have seen him performed under better coaches. Gbam, Good bye and God bless. Thank you.

goldfish80:
But your initial argument was that he could be better than Salah under a "good coach". After which you listed some interesting names.
Why didnt this good coach Conte turn him to Salah?

Of course, I still maintain that.

Was Conte among the coaches I listed?

goldfish80:
why didn't Conte coach him to play like Salah?

It still doesn't change the fact that Conte raised Victor Moses's stock and made him World class player.

goldfish80:
BUt he was playing the Messi and Ronaldo position before they converted him to a right back.

The point still remains that, he became the best in the Wing back position under Conte. Chikena.

edi287:
This was the post you replied to

edi287:

[/b]I compared Juve of 04 to Liverpool of 11 because that was when they both moved to their respective clubs. As of 2011, Liverpool weren't even in the europa league talk of ucl. You want compare Liverpool of that time to a Juve side that was competing for Serie A and had players like Del Piero, Trez, etc?? Ibra moved to a MUCH better side. Facts![b]

Now can you show me where I mentioned Liverpool's Ucl/europa league record from 04 - 10??

Did Suarez join Liverpool in 2011?

goldfish80:
I actually added the world stage if you read my post.

If he (Moses) was considered that great going forward, Conte would have had Hazard play as a wing back while Moses takes his place.

Very funny.

Is like telling Messi or Ronaldo to play wing backs.

edi287:
Why stop at 2009?? Tell us where they finished 2010 and 2011?
Juve won the league from 2001 - 2006(when Serie A was viewed as the best league in the world). Oh and they were still playing the Ucl when Ibra joined. Suarez joined when they weren't in the ucl yet you want us to believe Liverpool was a bigger/better team when Suarez joined than Juve were around 04 -06?? Comparing the players of both teams would even kill any chance of having such a lame argument

Oga, you claimed Liverpool was not playing in the UEFA and Euoropa as at then but fact proved otherwise.

Chelsea and Manchester were not in the Champions league last season, are they small clubs?


From 2008 - 2010 EPL was viewed the best in the world.

goldfish80:
He was a good player not world class. You cannot claim to be world class if you're not doing it in the Champions League, Top 4 European league and the world stage.

Why haven't Moses improved to the point that he could average numbers close to Salah's at As Roma when working with those coaches?

Are those tournaments higher than FIFA world cup?

What role is Victor Moses playing now?

edi287:
I compared Juve of 04 to Liverpool of 11 because that was when they both moved to their respective clubs. As of 2011, Liverpool weren't even in the europa league talk of ucl. You want compare Liverpool of that time to a Juve side that was competing for Serie A and had players like Del Piero, Trez, etc?? Ibra moved to a MUCH better side. Facts!

Liverpool finish 3rd, 4th and 2nd on the EPL table from 2006 - 2009.

Liverpool were UEFA Champions league champion in 2005, Runner up in 2007, Semi finalist in 2008, Quarter finalist 2009 and Europa semi finalist in 2010.

Tell me something.

edi287:
Kezman scored over 30 TWICE. Suarez scored over 20 once. Facts!

17, 22, 35 and 7 goals for Ajax in his 4 and the half years in the Eredivisie.

22, 28, 49 and 12 goals in all competition in those same seasons. Fact

goldfish80:
How can I help you if you believe Suarez became world class (in other words finished article) at Ajax?
Did Moses get close to Salah's numbers while at Wigan? Salah got 14 assists and 15 goals in 2 consecutive seasons at As Roma. Would you kindly bring Victor Moses stats so we can compare.
Have Moses ever managed double figure goals and assist in a season at any point in his career?

Give honor to whom honor is due, it doesn't reduce you one bit. It's a bit strawman argument to make when you speculate wildly about a player being better than another if he worked with only 3 coaches out of the multitude he worked with previously.

Suarez was already a proven world class player before he met Brender. Yes or No.

The argument is not about Salah is not better than Victor Moses, it is about Victor Moses improves every time he plays under a coach tht is known to improve players. Fact

goldfish80:
You want to do an about turn on what you said not more than 24hrs ago. Anyway, there you have it.

DId you say Sturridge was a champions league winner with Chelsea?
Please, how many minutes did he play for for Chelsea in the Champions League?
Are you sure you know what it means for a player to peak?

Lastly, why haven't Victor Moses averaged the numbers Salah got at As Roma where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione?

Does that tantamount to Brender is not a good coach? Very funny

You sabi grammar pass but you can't differentiate btw top class coach and good coach. Very funny.

Oga, I am a Chelsea fan and I know Sturridge was fully part of that tournament. He played 7 matches and started 5 matches. Live and direct.

Sturridge was banging in goals left right and center that same season. Fact

He was a known prolific goal scorer already before he left for Liverpool. Fact

goldfish80:
Liverpool under Brenda Rogers of course.
Recall, this debate started when you claimed Rogers was not a good coach. When you tried but couldn't disprove the impact he had on Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho you stuck to your narrative that Suarez was the best striker in the world at the time at Ajax before coming to Liverpool. All these just because you think only 3 coaches can get Moses to play better than Salah.

Interestingly, you haven't told us why Moses haven't scored up to the number Salah got at As Roma, where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione.
You just dont know when to quit.

If you claim Suarez became a world class player under Brender Rodgers, sorry I can't help you.

There are many factors that makes a player better than another and scoring goals is just one of the factor.

What Salah was for Roma was what Moses was for Wigan.

The point is Moses was influencial to Wigan and even Chelsea in his role.

Moses influence in the National team and Chelsea won them laurels.. Facts





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goldfish80:
Liverpool under Brenda Rogers of course.
Recall, this debate started when you claimed Rogers was not a good coach. When you tried but couldn't disprove the impact he had on Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho you stuck to your narrative that Suarez was the best striker in the world at the time at Ajax before coming to Liverpool. All these just because you think only 3 coaches can get Moses to play better than Salah.

Interestingly, you haven't told us why Moses haven't scored up to the number Salah got at As Roma, where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione.
You just dont know when to quit.

Where did I claim Brender Rodgers is not a good coach? Show me now now. Abeg.

Sturridge blossomed before he went to Liverpool. Fact

He already won UEFA Champions League with Chelsea and he

Sterling came out under Brender Rodgers, that's true but under Guardiola he is better. Fact.

Which club was Suarez when he helped Uruguay to the fourth position in the 2010 world cup?

Point is Suarez made name for himself before he met Brender Rodgers. Fact

All you are saying doesn't change anything.

goldfish80:
This argument is still on? Suarez was nothing more than a a local champion at Ajax. Same can be said of Hassan Mido, Dirk Kuyt, Salomon Kalou, Emmanuelson, Royston Drente, Skeltenberg, Jefferson Farfan, DUSZAK (the Hungarian guy), Babel etc.
Suarez would have been inconsequential like Kalou/Kuyt in the grand scheme of things if Liverpool didn't take him to another level.

Was it about Liverpool or Brender Rodgers?

Oga, you don't have a case. Admit you are wrong. Kpom

edi287:
So Tresor was the best striker in the world too?? That guy from Latvia as well??

Did FIFA acknowledged it? Answer yes or no

edi287:
Stop trolling. . When next did Suarez make top 10 for ballon d orr

Which trolling?

Did it change the fact that he was already a super star before he met Brender Rodgers?

edi287:
And to UEFA too. They have their criteria at rating leagues on THEIR Continent.

Which is the highest Football organization?

UEFA or FIFA?

UEFA gave it to Messi based on their own criteria while FIFA gave it to Suarez. Fact

EmmGee:
monaco maybe

Chelsea

edi287:
He made it because of his Copa America performances. Tell us how the "best striker in the world" performed in his next season and a half?? Oh and why you're at it, tell us the next time he made the top 10 after 2011

Correct. He made it before he met Brender Rodgers. GBAM
Thank you very much for the confirmation. EOD

edi287:
He wasn't world class before he met Rodgers. His numbers at Liverpool in his first one and a half season proof that. From 11 to 23 to 31. The difference is clear.

So, where do we hid his 6th best player in world and FIFA league goal scorer of the year awards?

edi287:
That their won the Golden shoe by scoring more in an inferior rated league. That scoring 42 in Portugal isn't the same as scoring 42 in Serie A

according to what you read. Is 1st - 8 th the same or not? Answer yes or no.

edi287:
You haven't answered my question...is the Eredivise in the top 5 league?? How did Suarez perform in his first 1 and a half season at Liverpool after he moved?

Top 8. Yes. Na almost the same thing.

Suarez was already known as a deadly striker before he met Brender Rodgers. Fact

edi287:
What exactly does this proof again? That Larson scored 35 in a 1.5 league? Oya was Larson ever rated as the best striker that year? Why didn't Larson leave Scottish league afterwards?

Read the 9th - 21st. What does it mean?

edi287:
Yes it is inferior. Is the Eredivise rated in the top 5?

To you.

edi287:
This is one of the most ridiculous rebuttals ever
Oya show us where FIFA said all top 8 leagues are at the same level

Hahahahahah! Na you sabi.

Oya read the snapshot.

TheGoodJoe:
Suarez believed without Brendan Rodgers, he would not have made the kind of impact he made in the EPL. He clearly states Brendan Rodgers educated him. Unless you want to argue with Suarez too.

That's Suarez opinion but facts on ground proved that he was already a super star before he met Brender Rodgers. Fact.

TheGoodJoe:
Your point clearly stated Brendan Rodgers did not help Suarez, which Suarez clearly disapproves.

Of course, he did helped him but he was already a super star before he met Brender Rodgers. That's all.