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Mysterious Tortoise, Should I Kill It Or Let It Go? (Pics)
Enaburekh Anjosh
OK, this is unconventional for me, I don’t know for sure, the significance of killing it, or if its true what everyone is telling me,
At exactly 02:32am this morning I woke up as a result of the sound (noise) I was hearing at my door, at first I thought i was been attacked by thieves, so I made some “security ” moves and waited for about 3mins.But the noise continued, so I concluded it wasn’t thieves, and then boldly opened the door and came out… only for me to see this small creature trying to forcefully find its way into my house… A TORTOISE ….so I took a bucket cover it until this morning what gives me concern and worry is this,…….why my house and at such hour, is not like I stay in a lonely place or in a bush, I actually stay in the middle of so many houses Ofcus as an African man, I started calling family and friends to know if there is any mystical explanation or reasons why a tortoise will want to find a new neighbour in me.. the answers I got was more than I bargained for as the were scary…. to cut the story short I was ask to kill it, preferably by burning it…
please any one with more insight into such stuffs should help out…. is it right I kill it or should I let it go? …THANKS

Chai... Pls let the poor animal that was only seeking for refuge in your house go since u are not hospitable enough.

Seriously what would u achieve by killing it since u are not eating it?
Tortoise are harmless and slow and cute... Why are u scared of a tortoise? Have u ever heard of a tortoise with a supernatural power?

TomHagen:
Great. If you admit this, have you not also wondered that there may also be other things about Him that you do not know. Is it rational to draw conclusions on a Being you have just admitted you do not fully know. If I were to start drawing conclusions about you without knowing you fully, would you consider me sensible?

I know absolutely nothing about any God... I don't know if any God that even exists.

For now,i am only trying to make sense if the assumption in your head.

TomHagen:
So you admit that you don't know the things that are pressing to God right?

I don't know the things that are pressing to your God.. but I know things that are not pressing to him... He is not interested in helping the poor starving kids in war torn areas, at least not yet.

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TomHagen:
What pressing matters? Why do assume that the things that you consider pressing are the same things that are pressing to Him?

Mr know it all... So kindly tell us those things that are pressing to your God...is it to help pastors buy private jet?

felixomor:
Helping those kids is your responsibility.
If u do your part well, they wont be there.

Ya right...it us his responsibility to help winner01 find his trouser, but it's my responsibility to help those hungry kids. I get it.

Of course it's our responsibility to help the starving kids... Since u accept it...I never wanna hear you say "thank God" for your own achievements again.

Glad we are making head way.

felixomor:
Even God commends and rewards man because he knows man plays vital roles in positives.

Nobody is saying man has no role to play in positives.
Because thats how u keep trying to make it sound.

What u keep Failing to see is ur bias copulsive tendencies to say God must fix every visible negative irrespective of the outcome to others.

Thats why i mentioned the flood earlier.
For example, If God decides to kill all evil people now to rid this world of the wickedness that is causing the wars starving these children, even you talking now will not survive. Because your hands are not clean

So if God continues to spare the lives of sinners (which includes you) and evils like these persist?
How is it His fault?

God killed everybody except Noah during the flood (which is not a real story by the way) only to achieve nothing. That's the height of foolishness.

Ur post sounds like God cannot destroy or stop evil. He is so loving that he does not want to kill sinners but prepared hell for them.

It is his fault that evil persists.. because as a creator, he has not idea on how to do away with evil.

Lennycool:
Like the Devil said to Arnold

"God just has good publicity"

God, the perfect opportunist.

felixomor:
God has already done his part by creating u and giving u the potential to eradicate poverty and disease.
You do your part.

That's not all na... He also helped winner01 find his trouser... The question is, why didn't he also help the hungry kids

winner01:
lol. A non existent person cant be wicked.

I'm not sure you people really disbelieve in God's existence.

Glad u now understand ur God is nonexistent. Welcome to atheism bro

winner01:
Oya nau. gather your brothers lennycool, hopefulLandlord, hahn and co and go kill it.

Lol...the did has been done already... Remember Jesus in the cross two thousand years ago? Lol

@ flexiomor...

Let me give u an example.

Boko haram kidnapped girls and you blame it on bad Islamic extremists. You guys go as far as asking if it was God that kidnapped them or men.
But when soldiers work hard and rescue the girls...you guys suddenly remember that it is God and not men that orchestrated the rescue. You give God the glory just because the out come it positive. It's not longer the handiwork of men.

Then you confused lots like winner01 goes turned around and say we should thank God (blame him) when good and evil happens. He mentioned it in this thread that he thanks God in tears and Joy.

Yet you accused atheists for blaming God for evil, when that's what you guys do. I just don't get it.

felixomor:
I can see how u clearly left out the first part of my post.
Well done.

By the way, Why are u interchanging personal situations like the exams u were using as example before with general global conditions like war-torn starving children?

I clearly left out the first part of your post because it answer one part of my question... It it didn't answer why you blame men instead of God when evil happens.


My examples could be exams or starving kids... It does not change anything.if u have no answer for me just say so already.

Again, if you blame God for positive out comes that we obviously see the hand of man in it, why not blame God for nagative actions we see the hand of man in it.

Or why not blame man for positive out come because we see his handiwork and as well blame man for nagative outcomes because we see his handiwork.

felixomor:
And even real christians also thank God when the going "seems worse".
Because situations could also be worse. No Matter how bad things look

Lol... So what's the point in thanking God anyway? Are you thinking him for allowing you go through worst situation?

Remember your guys are of the view... "In everything gives thanks" so saying that the situation could get worst is out of place because even if it does , u will still thank him...

So when u thank for bas situation are u not blaming him for the bad situation? I mean why thank him if he is not responsible.

Should we then conclude that God is responsible for starving children on earth? I mean, considering the fact that you expect we thank him for the situation of suffering kids. When then do u guy still Blame man and thank God for it... U guys seem confused.

4everGod:
...

You see this blame game does not work with God. It would work if He had not made us to be in charge of the earth..

We are actually not blaming God for anything
You are the ones who blame God for petty positive things that happens in your life not knowing that you are indirectly blaming him for all the evils too.

Winner out rightly said it that he gives thanks to God both in joy and in tears... Tell me, is he not blaming God for both his pain and joy?

felixomor:
There is something u clearly dont know.

That what is good to you may be evil to someone else.

It is people like u who will call God wicked for flooding the earth.
You are also the same person here saying why will God allow people to suffer like this?

Please Answer this question:

Is it possible to erase the people responsible for all these evil on earth without causing more pain and suffering?

Please answer.

From your response and question, I don't think you get my point.

Why blame God when good thing happens to you, like you read and pass exam.

But blame man when you don't read and fail exam?

If people don't read and pass exam they say it's God.
If people don't read and fail exam, they say it's man's fault.

It's God just sitting down and taking glory for what he didn't do?

winner01:
I do not have an answer to all these questions, but no one has all the answers to lifes questions either.

But it does not disprove the existence of God. God never said he's going to wipe evil off the face of the earth.
Evil exists temporarily and the Bible gives a reasonable explanation for it

Ok, these questions might not disprove the existence of God but they sure prove that your idea of God is psychotic and disturbing.

Have u considered that you might actually be worshipping a monster? I think k humans need to kill it, ibstead of worshipping it (that's if he exists, for most of u who usually gets confused at this point)

winner01:
Bro. In tears and Joy, we will continue to thank God.

You should know that these petty questions wont get me.

Lol... Am glad you thank your God in tears... So u thank him for giving u tears... Lol.

U don't have to answer the question bro... E pass u.

winner01:
God permits evil temporarily, it does not discredit the existence of God.

Most of those kids whose picture you have posted are back in heaven with their Maker free from the evil on earth.

God has created earth which can provide for mans need, not greed and foolishness.

Stop being a bigot.

U sound confused..
How the does God help one pass exam even after he had studied hard for it?

It's really simple reasoning... If you accept God helped someone get a job, despite knowing he studied hard, why do you blame man when when evil happens despite man actually having a hand in it.

Why is God exempted when it's evil and given the Glory when it's good? Yet in both cases, the action of man is obvious?

winner01:
He still has the audacity to blame God for the problems which he caused in the first place, and then uses this as a justification that God does not exist.

Ya right, when man causes problem for himself it's man's fault.
When man causes good for himself it's is God's fault..

Tell me, is your God just nothing but an opportunist?

4everGod:
Which statement came first.

LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE AND AFTER OUR LIKENESS or the one you just stated above.

What has this got to do with God explicitly saying the that eating the fruit of the tree will bring about the knowledge if good and evil.

Again I ask you what does the word LIKENESS mean?

It could mean anything anybody wants it to mean, but it sure does not mean man already has the knowledge of good and evil, otherwise, the statement God made when warning them about the tree would have been unnecessary

The Bible is not a story book you just read and claim you know it...Scripture balances scripture.

Of course it's not a story book, it's a magical book that requires extra power to understand what the work "knowledge of good and evil means"

Pls tell me what Likeness means and stop this your nonsense. Is Likeness physical or all encompassing?

Likeness could mean physical resemblance, all encompassing or just in character or thinking. U can chose one.

After creation God made a profound statement...HE SAW THAT ALL HE HAD MADE WAS GOOD.

How I wish u believe this... U still think there is evil in the air waiting to be unleashed, despite God telling every thing was good.

Now after this action by Adam for the first time God mentioned the Word EVIL....

Big fat lie... The word evil was mentioned even before adam's action right when God was warning them about the tree. He said, from the tree comes the knowledge of good and EVIL.

God only knew Good and always did good even with evil present but here Adam magnified Evil via disobedience and evil came into the mix with that which God already initially declared as GOOD.

I said it... U claimed God said everything was good, now u still think evil was present lol. Of course Adam magnified evil and it came into mix... Bla bla bla. But according to God in the Bible, the tree brought about the knowledge of Good and evil. God was angry because of disobedience, yet he was worried that man has now gained the knowledge of good and evil that's why he took the tree away.

4everGod:
Why do you keep doing this to yourself by spewing ignorance all over the place.

If man was made in the image and Likeness of God already what does LIKENESS mean?

It means inner attributes and abilities and character which includes Knowledge otherwise God would not have given Him dominion over the earth as He had dominion in Heaven and would not have put him in charge of keeping the garden.

When God said that man has become like us KNOWING good and evil it means man has exposed himself to evil but unlike God who is spiritual the earthly man cannot control or bear this evil.

it simply means man has engineered his own corruption and downfall by exposing himself to the error of disobedience. The choice to do good or evil has always been there but God expects that we always Choose good despite the presence of evil.

That comment by God did not mean that was when knowledge began it shows when error began in disobedience. Now Adam was not only swimming in good but he was now swimming in a mixture of good and evil (error) and being earthly did not have the capacity in God to always choose good.

This would be my last reply to you because your ideology here is warped.

PS...I am not ifeoluwa or whoever that is.

Why do u guys like blowing hot and cold at the same time? Why u try to twist a logically clear statement and end up coming up with meaningless word salad.


"When God said that man has become like us KNOWING good and evil it means man has exposed himself to evil but unlike God who is spiritual the earthly man cannot control or bear this evil."

What's the meaning of the above? Are u trying to imply that KNOWING good and evil here no longer implies having KNOWLEDGE of good and evil? It now means exposing ones self to evil one already knows?

What's that And you feel smart with this gibberish?

Pray tell, why does it not mean exposing ones self to good too? Why does knowledge of good and evil implies exposing ones self to only evil? You think u are talking to ignorant Sunday school children right?

KingEbukasBlog:
Sharap abeeg .

That PastorAIO guy only knows how to criticize religious beliefs , he claims to be pantheist and failed to honour the request to scrutinize his pantheistic beliefs . What is he afraid of ? Criticism ? He believes divinity permeates the universe and can't defend his beliefs I lost any iota of respect I had for him . Nonsense .

See this one... U deserve a medal for being the only guy who boldly talks nonsense. Unfortunately people like winner01 are following ur lead.

PastorAIO:
I cannot speak of who or what he was referring to, I can only speak of logic and commonsense.

This is more than impossibility. You might say it is impossible for a man to jump over Empire State Building. Fair enough. Empire state building can be an obstacle in your path, and it has a height so it is possible to pass over it, though not for a man with only 2 legs.

That is different from saying it is impossible for a man to jump over a dream. A dream is not a physical object with a height that can be an obstacle on someone's path. You can't talk about jumping over a dream because a dream is not an object like empire state building that you can physically scale.


It is the same with the Inanity of the OP.

God is a person, yes or no?

A person can either exist or not exist, yes or no?

Existence is not a person, or a thing. So therefore you cannot equate the two and say This person is Existence. These are just the fundamentals of Logic, commonsense, and Language systems.

You can't run to saying the folly of God is greater than the wisdom of men. this whole matter is beyond Wisdom and Folly. This represents the utter disintegration and ultimate demise of any intelligence, human or divine. There are no distinctions here between nouns and verbs, between adjectives and adverbs etc etc.

e.g Does these make sense: 1. Hot is carefully. 2. The water is not hot, the water is heat itself. The car does not run fast, it is fastness itself.


These are nonsensical statement no matter how you look at them, whether grammatically, logically, any how.

However the OP claims that he experienced the statements as powerful and satisfying. I believe him. Totally.

So what becomes of interest to me is how such pitiful nonsense can have such a powerful and satisfying effect.

This would require a study of the human brain and how it works. I feel that I know what happened, but it's a big topic on human psychology etc.

Wow!! U just earned my respect

felixomor:
Someone who doesnt believe in God but spends eternity in religious section, telling me to "get busy".

Wow, Irony is real.

Therefore God exists. U my friend are as wise as KingEbuka and winner01. I really don't envy the way the almighty God makes u think.

Yahoo Yahoo pastor

KingEbukasBlog:
Logical fallacy faulty generalization - because you sourced out instances where prophets have been exposed as fake does not mean all pastors and prophets are fake .

Even the bible prognosticated the proliferation of false prophets during the end times .

No point made bro , again .

Not all so called miracles have been investigated, but all miracles that have been investigated have been found out to be dubious... Unfortunately... U are not good at making use of ur brain.

jnrbayano:
Do you actually understand God at all?

God doesn't do stupid things to try to prove to a group he exists.

...even if there are no more people to praise God, the stones will do as he already said.

God is not man that he need to prove himself to a group of people because he is shoving in the chest.

Lol @stone praising God. This God like praises ohh. He created angels to praise him, e no do am. He created humans to praise him, billions of them. Now u say if Humans no do am he will turn stone to praise him.
What happened to him when he was a kid? Your God get as e b sha. He must be a psycho.

TemmyWon:
Seun you sound funny, I think you're Yoruba and you know that being called a bastrd is not justification to misbehave. So God's not childish, he won't do those.

U think God helping ab Amputee grow a limb is childish?
I think u are being childish by thinking that an unbeliever making such request from God is childish.

favoured78:
I pity your life you know nothing about of how it came. It may soon be your turn if you dont take time.

Ya, it may soon be ur turn too.

felixomor:
U dont have to,
I pray 4 u my brethren. U shall be liberated,
Its not ur portion.
Jesus loves u.

dont worry, i prefer going to herll, the place that i am very much scared of.