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Ihedinobi3:Your answer in the post did not Christianity is a better life that than atheism... The reason why Christians need God (according to ur post) is to help them through a life of war, test, and hardship... Something an atheist does not have to go through to live same fulfilled life every Christian crave for |
Ihedinobi3:Here lies my answer. So worshiping is just usless to humans while on earth. Except the hope u have for heaven l, which makes not difference to our life in the long run while on earth. In fact, I told you that if you have such a wonderful life here on earth without God and like it too, then it makes no sense to be so troubled about what Christians believe and try to push on you.We have been over this and I believe I have given u the response that best fits this... U are not in the position to tell me how I react to christian behavior towards me. Your whole concern is what you can get in this life and you have got it and are getting it. You should be happy and unconcerned about whatever it is we Christians are so gung-ho about. That was what I told you.Off point Then I told you explicitly that this life is a war for Christians, a test and a labor so we have a harder time of it than unbelievers do. So, it is not about this life for us but about the world to come.Is a life of war supposed to prove that u live a better life as a christian than an atheist? So the reason why Christian preach to non believers is to invite them to a life of war, test labour and harder times while u wait for a world to come? What kind of life is that? But you interpreted that to mean that God is useless for this life and I told you that that was the wrong way to read what I said. Clearly, Christians would not survive this war without God's Help. Some, like yourself for example, have given up and just deserted Christ's Army and joined up with the Enemy to actively attack and damage the Church now. Many more are just avoiding the fight but refusing to fully desert themselves, that is, they are incredibly lukewarm. The very few who take it seriously enough to really push hard for progress are not having anything like an easy time in this life. They wouldn't last a moment without God's Help. And God helps them in a vast number of ways with jobs or economic support in one form or another, family and friends, sometimes devoted spouses and whatnot. God gives them just the right sort of help they need to keep marching forward. So, of course, God is critical to them in this life. They don't think the world is all that even if you do. But they are not irresponsible Luddites either. They live life in this world like responsible people and try to get what good gifts God gives to soothe the pain of this world but more than that they fight for a far better world than this one can ever be.In other words an atheist can live same life u live as a Christian even without Gods help. However a christian lives a live of hardship , labour , war and test but God gives him a help to go through the test... (He he, god tests u and helps u go through the test) and also help them to live the same life an atheists lives without God... Christianity sounds like a bad option here don't u think? Your words seemed to me to suggest otherwise.I know what Christianity is |
hahn:Perfectly written... Been a while |
bedspread:And to me I accept |
Ihedinobi3:Oh please, what better prove has God given that are better than the Op's demand. |
bedspread:Heaven is as useless as hell |
CAPSLOCKED:To them truth is what ever they think its right. |
Ihedinobi3:This is not what the thread is all about. I already answered that.No u haven't. Ur response actually suggested God is useless to this life but Christian only hold unto him for hope of internal life... U are here to believe and suffer for Christ while hoping for a better after life. U have said nothing to show ur life as a christian will be better than mine as an atheist. In fact, I challenge you to name one thing (instead of 2) that makes ur life on earth better as a christian than mine as an atheist. It is for the Lord to decide whether or not I am doing a good job as a Christian.OK... So back to my question. What we call hope is confidence concerning something we cannot see yet. Just thought to explain that a little more.Oga how does ur hoping in after life and me not caring about after life make u a better human than me. As I said, fasting is imprudent and impractical for me although it is a very valuable exercise but, yes, I do pray.Errrr... Still waiting for my answer I was only explaining that Christianity is not a checklist of activities as you seemed to me to think it is.I know what Christianity is My answer was in my first post.No u havent |
hahn:You know, I pondered on this before opening the thread... Why so much noise about God when its absolutely useless for our survival or better life. Its not enough that God cannot be seen, heard or even felt... He is also useless in our daily life... Why so much noise about something so meaningless? |
Ihedinobi3:unfortunately u really cannot advise me on how i react to things i see in life. That would be the wrong way to read what I said. Life in this world for us Christians is a fight. It is a fight for everyone really but only Christians are actually taking on the enemy here. For that reason, following God is enormously important to us. In following Christ, we gain not only the resources but the training and company we need to get from here to the Goal that God set for all human beings.i simply challenged u to tell me just tow things u enjoy in THIS life as a christian that i dont enjoy as an atheist. if there is none, tell me there is non. your answer above has nothing to do with my question. Being a Christian, for example, gives me a different perspective on work, family/friends and entertainment - if I am doing a good job of being a Christian, that is - than you as an unbeliever possess.you are doing a good job being a christian and i am also doing a good job being a atheist. pls what two things about life as a christian makes you better than me, an atheist. I'm afraid I don't understand your question.you live ur life hoping for a better after life, i live my life not caring one bit after after life... what's the difference between me and u Rock on then, friend.thanks I do admit that while there is a great deal of value in fasting, it is something that I find very imprudent to do in my own life. And I neither attend nor particularly recommend vigils to anyone. I think it would take special circumstances for me to do so. As for prayer, what could a believer do without it? In an earthly army, supply lines are everything. Being able to put in a request and have it met is a huge morale booster for any army. How much more for believers fighting through this world?since u fast and pray, tell me two things about ur life that are better than mine. But I think the real problem here may be a poor understanding of Christianity on your part. I don't say that to insult you. It is entirely possible that you were a Christian for several years before you decided to become an atheist. But not everything that wears a label is true to its name. Christianity, first and foremost, is about faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. That's it: just believing in the Lord Jesus Christ Who was God but also took on humanity so that He could die for our sins and rescue us from certain eternal condemnation.Christianity is all about Faith in Christ, and this is what you think i dont understand about Christianity? what else should i think Christianity is? what has this got to do with my question? Then after that is a diligent commitment to learning the Truth of the Bible and adapting to it through the help of the Holy Spirit. And this is something you do not only in the Power of God but with responsibility to God alone so that the pressure of "appearing holy" to other people really has no place in true Christianity. Anyone who is diligent in the Truth eventually finds themselves changing in the best and most authentic way so that they know for sure that God is pleased with them and man cannot really and honestly find fault with them. But this is not to say that we can be perfect, no. Our bodies are corrupted with sin so perfection will remain out of reach until the Resurrection. But we will certainly find that in all the ways that it truly matters, we are becoming better people.ok... so what two things do you have as a christian that i dont have as an atheist. So, it's not about a mechanical system of praying, fasting, going to vigils, attending church every Sunday and not doing this or making sure to do that. If anything is a good thing to do or a bad thing that we should abstain from, as we continue to learn the Truth and believe it, we soon find inside of ourselves the strength to do it or abstain from it. How it happens is nothing short of miraculous in my experience. I had quite given up on myself before I learned this. And I am sharing it with you in case you might be willing to consider it.pls answer my question... thanks |
DeSepiero:Lol... Absolutely nothing |
MrPresident1:Yes |
Ihedinobi3:I could but I have to practically shut my ears to Christian rantings... If only Christians practice the live and let live they preach. Recall this tread was create based on real life experience. People disturb me a lot with nonsense. But, for what it is worth, I will humor you.Cool The Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Truth that we Christians follow is not primarily about this life. Not many of us believers will have that easy a life. Many of us suffer broken marriages as a direct result of our Faith. Many of us suffer penury or at least economic "mediocrity" because we prioritize God's Truth. That is not to say that following Christ necessarily leads to misery. In fact, even in our sufferings, those of us who want to follow the Lord and stick to the program do find a joy and peace that cannot be explained by our circumstances. So, it is not about misery although being a Christian guarantees more suffering in this life than being an unbeliever will.In order words the worship of God is useless to life on earth... Only necessary for the hope of after life? What Christians endure everything we endure for is the hope we have for the world to come. We look forward to a Resurrection whereby we will be rescued permanently from suffering. We look forward to eternal rewards and riches and glory that this world has not even a prayer at equalling. We look forward to a New Earth and New Heavens where everything is perfect and there is no more evil or injustice of any kind. That is what our true gain is.Awww... Whats the difference between hoping for after life and not caring about after life? For us, this life is a war, a labor, a test that we must endure everyday. We accept the gifts of work, family, friends and entertainment as some of the things the Lord gives us to make our journey bearable for us. But these things are not what we are Christians for. As your own experience proves, even a staunch atheist can have them and have them in abundance. Very few of the wealthiest people in the world are Christians after all. But only Christians expect what we have in this life to be made infinitely better in eternity.Thanks... So far, I see no reason why I should fast, vigil, pray, .... For me one thing I miss about Christianity is worship... I love singing and enjoying my own praise songs like I am the God I am singing to. I still do it sometimes... Otherwise, I don't miss the guilt, need to please, feeling like I owe my life to anything, feeling like I am being watched, need to pretend, fasting, staying up all night, time wasted in praying... I think being a atheist rocks |
MrPresident1:Yes, there is nothing like God Almighty |
I have been an atheist for more than seven years now and looking back, I am yet to see what I have missed not worshiping God. This is a summary of my life since I became an atheist - wake up in the morning - plan my day - eat, exercise and work toward achieving my goals - go to work, remember loves ones, check up on them and hangout with friends - get home sleep. Life has had its ups and downs, but I have pretty much been a giver than a receiver and got married now with a handsome son (despite butterflylions prayers for my marriage to fail). I still don't understand why anyone should worship any God. So I ask theist... Tell me just two thing that makes it life as a theists better than mine. If u can come up with two things that makes worshiping God worth it, I will look into my life evaluate, see if I miss such and maybe give worshiping God a try. |
MrPresident1:He does not believe in Yahweh... Feel free to call him anything u like... It does not change the color of his blood. |
LordReed:Arguing with ihedinobi will only end up making simple things complex till he tires u out. He talks as if he knows so much about the creator of the universe to the extent he even makes excuse for it. I am even trying to make sense of his interaction with u. Ihedinobi: the universe, death, everything we see is a proof that God exists. How does it even make sense to say the proof of God is in his creation? What exactly does tree, man, rock sun or dogs tell us about God? God does not speak, he can't be seen, man doubts if he is real...I mean, absolutely nothing to show he is the one that created the world. We can't tell if they are two brother Gods, or he is the son of another being or he is a million clan, nothing... All we have is ihedinobi and his bible telling us some unseen being is God. These should stop taking theme seriously. |
LordReed:Lol...imagine the insult God is giving us humans by asking us to believe every nonsense written in the bible with not even a single prove |
PapiFlin:Sorry karma is not effective... We musnt lie to ourselves to win argument. A simple look around the world we live in will show u how unreal karma is |
PapiFlin:When a lion comes and devours humans even in their homes and even kill kids, who are they answerable to? I understand our wish as humans for people to reap what they sow after they die, but that's mere wish. There is no evidence that people live on and face rewards and punishments after they die. If this was so important for the creator... We wouldn't have to rely to an ancient book for prove of after life...we will easily somehow know peoples reward after they die, this to me is a more sensible thing. Or have u seen anyone that died and is facing the consequence of his action? |
computergeek:Lol...ain't u amazed when u see human act like they are being controlled with a remote? A Muslim will strap bomb and kill others because of belief. A christian married woman will allow a pastor sleep with her because of belief. A christian will give his money to "God' because of believe while people around him suffer A christian will bow to image of " Mary" because of belief A pagan will bow to a horrible looking sculpture because of belief. A Christian will allow a man step on him because of belief... They are not really stupid... What they believe in is stupid. You are not duty bound as christian to allow a man step on u, but u are duty bound to bow to an unknown image called Mary. U are duty bound yo believe that one being u have never seen before is ur father and creator and he has created a mansion for u after u die... Remind me again.. What's the difference between u and people who allow their pastor step on them. Don't worry, I will tell u.... Wait for it..,.......,.......they allow their pastor step on their body, u allow ur reverend father step on ur brain. |
computergeek:Chairlady, its as easy as ABC. This are ur words" they are accepting these things not because they are Christians but because they are human" And I am telling u that if they are accepting these things because they are human, then u should. People don't accept things because they are human but because of what they believe. People are actually what they accept. Those people are Christians that's why they accept those things... U are Christian that's why u accept that one Jewish man born thousands of years ago is ur God and saviour. U as christian (not human) will accept what is preached in ur church. Those people as Christians will accept that a pastor steps on them because that's what's preached in their church. I hope its clearer now. |
SolutionMee:wow... this is one of the most intelligent writeup i have seen on nairaland. so honest and bold and perfectly written. u deserve a medal for this. |
computergeek:stop contradicting urself. if u say they accept these things because they are human, then why are u, who is also human, not acceptin it? if u say accepting these things are human traits are u not an example that they are not? the fact that u dont accept it shows others who accepting it are not doing so because they are humans. believe is what makes them accept these things and christianity is the reason. u as a christian, also fall prey of the stupidity they preach in ur own church, |
MobilityExpress:Then how did it land from the ceiling to her bed if the bullet was going upward? I am still confused |
olamilarks:The bullet when up and came down with the same speed? I am still confused |
I am confused.... Was the bullet shot upward, downward or sideways by the shooter? |
SimplySEA:He knows haughty spirit better than anyone... No everyone is the same... He should speak everyone according to who they are. Imagine if God speaks to everybody the way you want him to speak to you what would the world be like - confusion? Commotion?No he should speak with everyone the way HE wants. Not speak to some people and expect others to follow. Today not all of us are scientists and the world is already one button away from self destruction. That's level confusion man can bring. Imagine the confusion the world would be if to everyone goes about with a voice in their head.That's human for u and humans control their own destiny not God. He chooses those he has assignments for, just like any employer.This is not true... He actually is yet to chose anyone. |
SimplySEA:U guys are fund of this... Someone tells u he does not believe in ur God and he does not think ur God is real and u quickly concludes he hates ur God. How does ur brain even work? Its a simpu sturv... If Yahweh spoke with all those people of the bible why not speak to us also and directly? Nobody is asking to worship God on our terms... He should speak to us and give us his terms and we will obediently follow. An no we don't want to worship God at YOUR call, we want to worship him at HIS call... So he can reach us and tell us his call... Again perhaps if he does not speak to us directly then that's his call and we are OK with it. |
Ihedinobi3:Yes, that's what perfection implies. Again, it makes no sense that someone possessing foreknowledge should act with foresight?Ya, he acted with foresight to achieve nothing. Sata n is still causing havoc, there is still pain and people are still going to hell. Why do u think the 13 years old is questioning Gods action? The Bible did not say that the world would quit being messy before the full seven thousand years of human history had run its course. So, the world's still being messy is not proof that God is anything but perfect in planning.Lol... How else can u lose? If a messy world is an example of how perfect ur God is.. Then again, I think u have a mental problem. Telling you about anthropopathism which is a legitimate literary device is not the same as changing the meaning of the word "regret".The regret used in the passage was very clear... Stop trying to give it ur own meaning. Feel free to believe that. But believing it does not make it true. If you want to prove that it does, knock yourself out.Ya, what's true is that a messy world shows how perfect ur God is... Perhaps if the world was not as messy as it is, it would have implied Gos is not perfect? Lol I have no reason to believe that the preparation did not go well.What is good about the preparation? Oh I forgot.. The messy world we have now. The fact that my six year old nephew asks me why I moved a bishop instead of a queen in a game of chess does not mean that I played wrong.Nah... If u move a bishop instead of queen and win the game ur six years old nephew will learn. If u move a bishop instead of queen and lose or mess up the game, ur six years old will definitely ask u why u didn't move the queen. Well, if that is your reason, then you should praise Him as well, since I also said that He prepared the Solution to all the problems that would come from creature possession of a free will and has actually already successfully deployed that Solution.Praise him for what? For know how messy giving man free will will be and his preparation was for an equally messy world? That's a lot of problems to have with English words, Frank. Incidentally, the word "man" describes both an individual and also the whole complement of the human race so that if some men in that complement make the wrong choice, it is not unreasonable to expect some other men to make the right one.There he goes...if God knows I will make a wrong choice why will he expect me to make the right choice? I take it that you finally agree. I've been saying it from the start of our conversation but you seemed to not really care.Ok Oh, I have said plenty times that He HAS FIXED and IS FIXING everything. You haven't been paying attention, it appears.Lol... Someone who saw the end from the beginning and made preparation is still fixing things... He is still running around fixing things... Foolish God. Lots of parents allow their babies to "suffer the needle" to preserve them from dangerous diseases. I suppose by your logic, it means that they enjoy their babies' pain and cries?What other choice does a parent have order than the needle... Is God choiceless? Keep on parading ur God as an ordinary human. There's that "intellectual laziness" we talked about.Is an asumptive statement a statement of confidence? More proof that you haven't been paying attention.Mr. Teacher No, thank you. I don't often tell those.Then try listening to urself... U are full if shitfull fairy tales man Asked and answered.Sorry... Ur answer is a disgrace to ur God. |
theoriginalgood:What's the meaning of this nonsense. |
Humblechuks002:The best time to shout Jesus is when having sex... Try is and u will cum eruoptiously |
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