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zinnyzee:
I hope you know religion isn't going anywhere anytime soon?


It's here and it has come to stay, regardless whether it contributes positively or negatively to the society.
I'm not sure if what i practice can be referred to as religion, but i know i'm not letting it go anytime soon cus believe it or not, it actually gives me a sense of direction!

This one is happy that religion is here to stay... The question is... Who religion help?

If it like stay if it like go... Its foolishness must always be pointed out and people who want to be emancipated will be emancipated.

bloodofthelamb:
With the arm of flesh it is truly impossible, but with the Spirit of Christ(the Spirit of true love) all things are possible.

Do u have the spirit of Christ? Do u actually love your neighbors as u love urself?

If there is a sound of gun shot in a mall, will u suddenly ensure u carry everyone along before u run?

eventtinz:
Let me tell you the things that are in line with god's word in the bible...genocide,sparing the lives of young virgin girls for sex slaves during the genocide of neighboring nations,grabbing their lands,taking of slaves,Thou shall not covet(you must not even THINK of having your rich neighbors things,patriarchy,incest,stoning of witches,Homosexuals and adulterers (only the women)animal and Human sacrifice ( as seen in the scapegoating of jesus)WAS GOD LESS INTELLIGENT AT THAT TIME OR THIS ARE JUST THE THOUGHT OF MEN
will you accept all this things as they are in line with god's word...everyone reads this holy books ,dont claim you know something we dont.

Its clear... Even God does not love his neighbours as himself.

According to the bible myths... War started in Gods own backyard between him and the Angels he created.

He sent them to earth where they will be tormenting and manipulating humans. Then relax in his comfy heaven and asked troubled humans to love their neighbours as themselves.

Well, someone already explained his definition of love.. Its just a brutal one.

jamesbanjo:
My own opinion is You're saved by whatever yu beleieve in,Am a Christian quiet alright but being a Christian doesn't mean i shouldn't do and know what is necessary,Even the bible said Heaven helps those who help themselves, The case of the guy that was bitten by snake and later died in the church,he was just been ignorant "Take this for example; if i know what am about doing is Dangerous and instead of walking away from it to save myself , i start praying and saying God shld save me" is that not being ignorant??!...... "I ve even heard of a case of a Jehovah witness woman who afta given birth loosed alot of Blood instead of them collectin blood, the husband refused and d woman later died.
My point is i am a Christian doesn't mean i should be ignorant of the Basic truth.

Uncle why are u lying, where did the bible say heaven help those who help themselves. Help me quote the chapter and verse.


For me, its either God answers prayer or not. god cannot be asking Christians to work had and still ask them to pray. A Christians who has God should have no business falling sick or going to the hospital. God is supposedly above all these things.

Christians are supposed to ask God for anything and they will receive it. I keep on saying it, its either Christians underrate their God or they are just plain confused about what they worship. If God exists his creations will feel him just like the sun. Not all these blowing hot and cold explanation trying to make excuses for a powerful all loving creator... Sickos

People still go to church?!!

Is theism a religion?

rekinomtla:
So is it always wrong to slap someone for nothing? Because it sounds like you saying it’s objectively wrong to slap someone for nothing.

Its wrong to slap someone for nothing because of the effect it has... However same slap could be right if the slapee enjoys it. If the effect if slap on our skin is not bad it will not be wrong. If an individual say he likes slap, slapping him for nothing will not be wrong.

How do I sound like I am saying it's objectively wrong to slap someone for nothing, what does that even mean?

Yes, we can provide examples of moral judgments we know are true by intuition, true regardless of whether anyone believes them or not. Unless we have good reason to doubt our intuition, there’s no need to accept moral relativism. In fact you the one talking about what people believe, moral relativism requires you to do that otherwise it wouldn't be relative.

People decide what is right or wrong based on how it affects them... I dont like being slapped because its painful not because of intuition... What's that?

They are believed to be right in other places. Whether they are actually right or wrong is a different question. Stop treating the two questions as if they the same.

Well to determine its wrong or right u have to make a strong case, that's the dynamics of morality.

You the one defining morality based on what people believe, eg. You said homosexuality is not immoral in USA because people there believe it's okay.

Yes

And What you mean it’s not about what we believe but rather it’s about what we can see. What we see is what we believe. To believe something just means to accept something to be the case. What we see is people have different beliefs about moral issues, but to jump from that to the conclusion of moral relativism is true is fallacious.

What we believe is what we feel, not what we see.
What we see it what we know And what we know is that people in USA accept homo as moral while people in naija accept it as immoral and this makes morality relative.

You ask me two different questions then responded to me as if it were the same questions. Then complain about me making an issue of it

OK...I hope it's clear to u now

What do you mean immoral in USA, do you mean people believe it’s immoral or that it is actually is immoral?

Both ... People believe its moral in USA and as a result it is moral in USA.

You see, you can’t just equate people’s beliefs about moral issues as if the determine the truth of the matter. That would be just as illogical as me saying the earth is flat in society X because people in society X believe its flat.

If peoples believe does not determine what's right or wrong, what does. Why do we have different moral laws in different society and why does peoples belief influence these laws?

I want evidence for moral relativism and I would like you to define it so as not to accuse me of misrepresenting it.

I have used difference laws on homosexuality as an example and u are still asking for evidence?
In simple definition morality is not objective it depends on history, learning, experience , situation, culture etc... And as a result, changes over time.

No. And your point is what exactly? Do we require universal agreement for something to be objective?

Yes

Hmm, so if objective morality existed what should everyone suppose to be doing. Must everyone be doing the right/moral thing every time? How in the world is this an argument against objective morals? If moral objectivism is true all that means is there are objective facts about our moral judgments/beliefs. It's says nothing about whether people will follow or even know those facts.

The argument is actually against objective morality... If morality is objective then everyone would agree on what is wrong and what is right. Bit that's not the case... Is it?

We also believe in the existence of other minds intuitively does that mean the existence of other minds isn’t a objective fact. You conflating epistemology with ontology here. How we come to know something says nothing about whether that something existence is objective or subjective.

If morality is objective, other minds will know and believe in what we know.

Hmm so the fact that our intuition can change shows that whatever conclusion we reach at a certain time is not objective. So when people intuitively believe the earth is flat then later reject that belief because they’ve been provided with good reasons to reject it. Then their conclusion (that the earth is not flat) is not objectively true. Makes sense.

Their conclusion is true given the information we have... But not objectively true. What do u mean by objectively true. What if a new info comes on the shape of the earth will u stand on ur ground and say it must be what u have already called objectively true?

Science is learned, we learned that the earth is a sphere, does that mean our belief that the earth is a sphere is not objective because we learned it. Whether something is learned or not says nothing about whether it’s objective or not.

Kindly define what u mean by something being objective. What qualifies something as objective.
So many knowledge have been changing under science and more will change

What effects, give a example of situation where you would consider killing to be immoral.

When kill someone for no just cause or for being nice to u, or for flimsy reason,e.g argument.

Killing is objectively right or wrong depending on the circumstances. Eg. It’s objectively wrong to kill somebody because of personal pleasure.

U can't say something is objective and still say it could be right or wrong depending... Killing someone for personal pleasure is just one of the reason the reasons for killing... Killing is the subject matter here not reason for killing

So things are not really right or wrong, instead humans just pick and choose based on how it affects them. Not all humans of course but most. So things like killing or raping for personal pleasure is not objectively wrong according to you. We just say so.

We are talking of killing... Is killing objectively wrong? NO
why? Because people kill for different reasons and one of the reason is because the person is a murderer or deserves it... Killing for personal pleasure is wrong because u hurt people who don't deserve it.

So you don’t think people intuitively know it’s objectively morally wrong to kill someone for personal pleasure? You feel you have to teach kids this otherwise it will never cross their mind as they grow up.

People learn what's moral over time based on bow it affects them. Humans have know that slap is painful therefore its not moral to apply pain to people unnecessary. But pain is still applied to people who deserve it.

rekinomtla:
You not answering the question, you dodging it. So I’ll ask you again:



This time please answer the question. I don't wana call you out for dodging again

U are morally wrong for slapping me for nothing

Not sure if you being deliberately dishonest here. But before you asked me isn’t it obvious to me that something could be right in one society and wrong in another. To that I said NO. I’m a moral realist therefore I believe that certain actions under certain circumstances are wrong in all and every society. That is I believe our moral judgments can be true or false, and what makes true or false is independent of our beliefs (hence, the term moral objectivism).

U are talking about ur believe... Is this what's obtainable in the actual world? We have seen the evolution of morality taking place right before our eyes. Some things right here are wrong in other places. This is not about ur believe its about what we can see.

But now you changed the question. Now you asking me if it isn’t obvious to me that certain people have different moral beliefs. That certain people in one society for example consider/believe homosexuality to be wrong but in another society some people consider/believe it to be right.

But that’s not what you ask me the first time. Originally you asked me what is the case, now you asking what people believe to be the case. The question I asked you above, the one you dodged shows the difference, that’s why I asked it.

U guys are fond of making issue out of nothing. Just a simple question talking too long. Isnt it obvious that something morls in naija could be immoral in USA? What's hard to understand in this question. And u answered its not obvious to u. Isn't that a dishonest answer?

How about you define and provide evidence for moral relativism instead of just asserting or assuming it’s true until someone proves to you that morality is objective. Why are atheists always like this, assume their position until someone provides absolute proof that another view is true.

U are looking for example? Do all countries have the same moral principles? Why is homosexuality wrong in naija and okay in USA?
People are doing things according to how it makes them feel good and this shows that objective morality does not exist.

We know that morality is objective by intuition. Intuition is right until we have good reason to doubt it. We know for instance that some of our moral judgments are true regardless if people believe them or not. (Eg we know killing for personal pleasure is morally wrong evens if the person who does so believes it is morally right.) But go ahead explain how moral relativism reaches its conclusion that nothing is objectively wrong but it's only differences in opinion. I'm sure psychopaths will agree

Intuition is right until u have good reason to doubt it yet u call it objective. The fact that our intuition can change shows that what ever conclusion we reach as a certain time is not objective.
Morality is learned... Its a result of our interaction with one another. Killing is wrong because of the effect it has on us as humans that's why we reached a conclusion that its morally bad. If killing is objectively bad u would even kill animal for food. Humans choose what is right or wrong based on how it affects them. Not based on any intuition.

LordReed:
OK define moral objectivity then we'll go from there.

He will not.


His inability to cope is boring him. He is afraid of delving into a doubt zone therefore further engagement is not needed.

Martinez19:
Someone suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder(ADD) has problem paying attention and concentrating. Someone who is seeking attention doesn't necessarily have ADD.

Lol... School him bro

Lol@native doctor's complimentary card

HardMirror:
that butterfly guy now using his lying skills to earn a meagre 30k with bmc, always knew he was an under rock crawler.

Funny how they all fade away, kingebuka, butterflylion and that scammer that is wanted by the police, what is his name again?... even that pastor with fake healing of hiv, where are all these people today? Cant god get better representatives?

Lol...jagbade is the pastor not sure i got the spelling right.

That guy was a total embarrassment to Yahweh

Uchenaija:
Oh please, I'm tired of your childish arguments.

Are u scared of me? I don't biteoooo

budaatum:
Buda does not think the mind is an organ that physically exists in the body. That's why vaxx's 'abstract' appeals to me.

Cool... I no buda is not a Christian...

HardMirror:
my i dont really get what you are trying to achieve here. Are you just showing you know all about how the brain functions? No one is arguing that with you. You are making it seem like you are telling us something new and revolutionary. We are not here to learn everything on how the brain works. The mind is not an entity of it's own, it is a product of processes in the brain which is what we call thoughts. One part of the brain cant be enough to produce thoughts. This is why i dont want to be dilly dallying with you. This info is not changing anything here except you are trying to tell use the mind exists outside the brain, then i wld listen to you. For now you are only repeating what we know while trying to prove you know much about the topic which is not a big deal to me

He is actually succeeded in derailing the thread with what we all know...


Where is that uche of a boy who said he is doing a lot if thrashing... I am sure the she is so glad the attention is off him for a moment...

Mr uche u have so many questions to answer... Mr trasher. Come and trash me.

vaxx:
what are thought made of, thought are simply elecro chemical reaction.......Now let me ask you a further question, where and what particular place does this electo chemical reaction located in the brain.


I can't write much , I will have explain the mind location to you.....mind is not meant to.be organ.


As i said you should know this as an affective scientist instead of me liberating you.

U are not liberating me... There was an error in ur post and I showed it to u... Now u say u are librating me.

U said mind is an abstract place and though process takes place in this abstract place. Is this even possible?

So far I concur with all u have been saying which is no different with hardmirror's and Martinez's

For me mind is an abstract term that's why I told buda its not a thing.

Most religious people think the mind is in the heart that's actually what I am interested in correcting. Most don't know the bran takes care of everything with think the so called mind (heart) is doing.

If u say the mind is an abstract term stick to it and don't say thought processes takes place in this abstract thing.. That's fallacy

vaxx:
Anyway, cortex is that part of the brain that regulates the thinking process and it does it in many ways...you should read about it. In particular the prefrontal cortex is the area that modulates rational thinking and it is involved with decision making too. This are all thought thinking pattern which we called mind.

If u accept thought processes takes place in the brain then we are on the same page.

U cant accept the mind is an abstract and then say it takes place in the brain again. That's why I said u should get ur story right.

vaxx:
what don't you understand ,you once told me you were trained as psychologist , if so you shouldn't be having trouble regarding this concept.

I have been trying to explain the mind concept to the dude from a psychological perspective only for u to come in and call it an ABSTRACT where thoughts are PROCESSED.

How can thought be processes in an abstract place.. I showed u ur error and instead of correcting urself u reply me with the above?

HardMirror:
indeed it is an abstract part of brain process. We call it mind not cos it is a physical entity but because we need to name the process of thoughts embodiment

Thank u. U got the right words for me

vaxx:
mind is an abstract pact of the brain and central nervous system. Nothing can happen without a thought and thought is process in the mind

An abstract....

Thought is process in the mind.


Get ur story straight bro.

budaatum:
But is there therefore not a thing called, 'mind'?

Mind is not a thing

pressplay411:
Why did you stop?

because he found out it was all self deceit and scam duhh

rekinomtla:
Actually I just got bored. Im not going to repeat myself over and over again.

have a great day

bloodofthelamb:
Can you scientifically prove that the mind is the property of the brain?

oga define mind

how come the father is more handsome than all his kids

Uchenaija:
I'm not responding to you again. Answer the question I asked then I'll answer your question.

u can sure respond to me...

budaatum:
Aha! "Activities happening in the brain"! Strong enough activity to at least accept it happens. Why say naming that activity is "meaningless"? Is the "activities happening in the brain" not meaningful?

I actually used the word meaningless because people actually refer the word 'mind' to be somewhere else rather than the brain. There is actually no location in the brain called the mind.

budaatum:
Really? You've got me wondering, what it is that thinks in me that ponders things and deliberates?

everything happens in ur brain. Mind is just a meaningless word people use to describe activities happening in the brain

Uchenaija:
And you can't use all your sense to see the evidence of a creator around you.

lol... which one is all ur senses? is smell part of it? no i cannot smell nor taste the creator, neither can i see it.

Uchenaija:
Then why do you want to use the only the sense of sight to prove the existence of God. Judge yourself

lol... what other sense did u use to prove God?

sense of smell? hearing? touch? balance? please what sense did u use to send a being called God please.

i used sense of feeling to sense air... whats urs for God

Uchenaija:
Let me not last long. Leave that to me.

I repeat I'll trash you with the scriptures.

its not about making noise and claiming things... this is a question i posed to u since yesterday in response to ur question to hardmirrow

frank317:
I will not say the house was created by chance. But since I already know humans creates houses, I will wonder WHICH human created the house, it could also have been creates by many humans. I will not go all over the place saying the house was created by Mr. John.
How did u know on one being creates the universe? How did u know its God? How are u sure its not a family of some bald headed aliens with ten legs?


Since u are sure every creation has a creator... Who created ur God?


U should ask urself that question.. Where did ur intelligent creator(God) come from?

u ignored in and came here shouting u will trash everyone.

smh

Uchenaija:
Are you looking for a humble Christian? Sorry, I'll trash you again & again proudly. Lol..

This was how butterflylion started on this forum... He was still humbled. U will not even last long here trust me.