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johnydon22:
Yeap.

I hope u are not equating this to suicide bombers... never seen anyone arrested for attempting suicide. A lot have been rescued from drowning in Lagos Lagoon, none have been arrested and charged for any crime

LordReed:
They will say we don't have the eyes of the spirit. LoL self deception is what they call eyes of the spirit.

Lol... Eyes of the spirit is trying effortlessly to explain away the unexplainable

johnydon22:
No they don't. Suicide is a crime in Nigeria

Lol... How na. So if I try killing my self and didn't succeed I will be locked up in kirikiri? I don't know but that sounds funny sha

LordReed:
It's so funny to watch. I even predicted the reason he'd give for why this non evil seeing God would allow the personification of evil to have free access to the so called spotless heaven. And right on cue he comes with his bullshit reason exactly as I predicted and still goes on to ask me where is the contradiction. Like what? LoL!

Fairytale time will always be good for some laughs.

How can anyone even attempt to explain this and expect his explanation to make sense.

Its like a jealous lover trying to explain why he killed his partner and still expects to escape from the law.

If satan waged a war against God, took 1/3 of his angels, decieved man to fail causing God to lay curses, and has has been causing man to make God angry... Even led God to kill his son... He has no business in heaven talkless of having Gods permission to torment his loving Job.

Its cool he believes, but its important that he knows his believe is foolish.

JMAN05:
Well, the bible is not for the hell fire lie. God does hate evil, but you seem to equate allowing something to exist to causing it to exist.

Allowing something to happen is not the same with causing something. Both have the same effect.

If a father allows her daughter to be molested despite having the strength and resources to stop it... He is a guilty and one who causes his daughter to be molested.

LordReed:
The day you catch me advocating for believers to be killed by any means or tortured for entertainment say it and I'll never comment online about believers again. Meanwhile my entertainment choices are mine, I don't need any sanctimonious lecture on how to choose what I like.

I will also continue to laugh at any brain dead Christian opinion or bible commentary, shut your eyes if it is too painful to read. I won't censor my humour for you.

The fact that he thinks those explanations of his are good enough reason as to why God allow the devil to continue to torment man for ages is what bothers me.

God trying to prove a point to devil and his other creations... The same devil he asked to go and torture Job his beloved son.

How does he expect to get away so easily by explaining it like it was good the Jobs sons were killed by the devil on Gods watch.

Yet this whole God thing is all in his head... Never has he seen either devil nor God... But he is able to explain their actions and intent like they are his next door neighbors. This is the same human that would find it difficult to explain some of the behaviours of his roommate or even wife.

People already have right to kill themselves.

Suicide only affects the loved once of victims. People who kill themselves just die and go. Their loved ones will stop them do so because of their live doe the person and the loss they will feel.

Xaos:
This Hazard is annoying as fúck!

How?

Ihedinobi3:
Considering how you disappeared from our exchange only to show up now with falsehoods and insults, it seems rather obvious that you couldn't care less whether there is any truth in the story or not. You just don't want it to be true and perhaps if you mock it enough and distort it enough, it'll go away. It actually won't. Whether you think the actual truth (not this caricature of it you got rather creative with) makes sense or not, you will have to deal with it sooner (in this life) or later (when you awake from the sleep of death to answer to the God Who made your spirit).

In all honesty all ur explanations are falling short. The reason u gave does not make a single sense. Its all sounding like how Satan feel about Gos is too important that he had to create man, and test him. And now man has finally failed ... God is like wow, that's Tue point I am trying to make.

I don't think I have insulted u...the story in itself makes Yahweh sound like a childish psycho.

In another news... Reading ur post makes me feel I can hear u directly. I can assumed(though I could be wrong) that u have a soothing soft and gentle voice... Damn...stop getting I to my head.
I resist u in Jesus name.

Dantedasz:
All smoke and mirrors.
The more you look the less you see,in this case,the more answers you read,the less you understand.
Preachers use these tricks a lot,just like performers in a circus. They know their congregation don't read or know the Bible so they cherry pick passages from their book and go on long winding explanations that can not stand up to any logic. If you question the Bible they then use the ultimate control mechanism of reward and punishment-heaven and hell.

Its really quite sad... A simple question and they begin to talk very long story, trying to explain the unexplainable. This is what we call meaningless rambling. Going round and round trying to clarify both ur self and ur audience and make them see a little sense in what u are saying.

At the end of the day their ramblings fall short. U read it all and ask ur self 'what the hell"?!!

Its all clear that the story is as fake as bobrisky's hair. God in the fable has no reason whatsoever to keep the devil alive.

U hear them say its because of the charges Satan leveled against God. Like seriously?... Does God need to prove a point to Satan who waged an unnecessary war(a war he knew he couldn't win) against him.

This God is a needy one... Who would rather let his loving creations suffer to prove a point to his disobedient creations. He is afraid the remaining 1/4 angels will turn their back on him.... All so he could be worshipped and praised day and night. So he rather sent Satan to man to torment him for thousands of years so that he can be in the good book of he creation.

Even a 5years old is wiser than Yahweh.

joeysunrise:
“Until the time came to fulfill his dreams, the Lord tested Joseph’s character.” Ps 105:19 NLT

His timetable

God works according to His own timetable.

isnt this a scam statement? What is Gods timetable.
if you are asked to wait for someone who can come at any time, it could be today, next week or next two years will you wait?
If God is working according to his own time table, then he shouldnt ask you to wait on him. its a scam in the sense that he can always claim to be the cause of the result of your hardwork.

And when you accept that, you’ll be able to enjoy where you are right now, and get to where He wants you to be.

how can you be happy with where u are when you dont know when he will get u to where he wants u to be?

Furthermore, God may not answer all your questions; at least not in the way you’d like Him to. But be assured He is working. And since what He’s working on is often bigger than you can comprehend, He won’t bother you with details you can’t handle.

what details can humans handle pls? if God is working why should i be working my ass off too. since u want me to wait on God, should i relax and wait of be doing my own thing? how can i tell if it my hard work or Gods unkown effort that produced result?
the whole thing is bizzare.. he wil not answer my questions, i should just wait on him to work out something big but i dont know when, meanwhile i should be putting my own personal effort to get result.... hmm

Think—if God had told you all the things you’d have to go through to get to where you are right now, could you have handled it?

why not?

He knows how long it’ll take and how hard it’ll be—that’s why He’s silent.

this makes no sense... i am the one expecting, not him. whats his silence meant to acheive?

If He showed you your whole life in advance you’d faint.

no... i will be happy and plan myself better.

Joseph discovered during his time in prison that when God gives you a vision and you commit yourself to it, there’s no “opt-out clause.” So stop projecting into the future.

the same God that would rather be silent knowing that telling us his plan for us will make us faint is now giving visions that we should commit ourselves to?
you said we will faint if we know
I said no... i will plan myself better
now u are concurring with my statement.

When you live in yesterday you end up with a case of the “if onlys,” and when you try to live in tomorrow you get a case of the “what ifs.”

and when you know the future u commit urself to it and plan better.

Remember the popular hit song: “One day at a time, sweet Jesus, that’s all I’m asking of you. Just give me the strength to do every day what I have to do. Yesterday’s gone, sweet Jesus, and tomorrow may never be mine. Lord help me today, show me the way, one day at a time.” What should you do? Trust God to work things out for you according to His tim etable.

this does not stop him from showing u his timetable while u still put ur trust in him... at least u can now hold him by his timetable promises.

God could speak to u and tell u he does small things too? Oga, why are u lying


U should have asked him why Leah is still in boko haram captivity and why did he watch them slaughter two innocent ladies who where just doing their job.

Ask him why he lied to oledepo some years back that bokoharam menace will soon end.

Ask him, what big thing has he ever done? OK that one na jamb question... Ask him what small thing can he even do.

ihedinobi2:
Well, can't help you there.

Back in school, what showed you were learning was your ability to see how things added up. That you could see what things mean meant that you could solve problems you hadn't seen before by looking for familiar things that functioned in a known way and working them to produce new results.

I think that any reasoning person who isn't looking to accuse believers of lying just because they don't like what they say would already have seen what the passages say. Willful ignorance is a choice. One cannot change it for another person. So, as I said before, I can't help you there.

U make up ur own stories and when u are questioned u start throwing accusations.

I couldn't see where the universe was destroyed with water in all ur quotes... At least u could have highlighted it for clarity sake.

U are a very dangerous person

Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

I have given an answer to a similar question somewhere else and will edit this response later to provide the link to that discussion.

The short answer is "because of man's free will".

God created the angels and men with free will so that each individual angel and man can choose whether they want to remain part of God's Eternal Family or rebel against Him.

That meant that each individual angel and man would be tested somehow so that each one will have an opportunity to choose what they want.

The angels made their own choices before Man was created. Satan was the first one among them to decide to rebel against God and he campaigned among the angels to persuade them to join him. A third of them did and God destroyed the universe of that time with water because of their rebellion.

Then Man was created and Satan was let loose to also test man and give him an opportunity to make his own choice.

Man had 7000 years to make his choice, generation after generation. We have almost finished 6000 of those years. At the end of human history, all human beings who were ever going to be born will have made their choices.

Now, because this is a test, each person will have to prove by various experiences - in suffering and in abundance - that they are serious about what they have chosen and have no intention to change their mind.

This is why suffering and pain exists. It is a test of the true heart of every man.

At the end of human history, those who have endured in their choice of God in Jesus Christ will spend eternity with God and His Whole Family of Angels and Men with blessings that our minds right now cannot even begin to conceive. At that time too, those who rejected God in Jesus Christ will spend eternity in anguish without equal because of their rebellion against God.

That is the biblical answer.

What kind of excuse is this for gods sake? How does this gibberish even make sense to you.

Ur mythical God created devil for the sake of drama. Devil fuq up for heaven and the best option for God was to send him down to torment innocent man. Then he even had to ask devil to help him torment poor job because God like acting like a psycho

In this age and time, this one i s still looking for water spirit

Una mumu never do?

gabazin080:
which military?
Military that didn't plan to rescue her for over û months that she's been kidnapped.

Na only God fit save the innocent lady. This government has failed us

Which God?
God that didn't rescue her for over 5 months that she's been kidnapped

DoctorAlien:
Who said if man was not corrupt, there would be no need for the 10 commandments? What then would have been the standard of right and wrong without the 10 commandments? Understand that the Law, the principles of which are summarized for man in the 10 commandments, is the standard of right and wrong with which GOD rules creation.

Why will a perfect world need rules? If u said God created man perfect before he fell, then man wouldn't have don't wrong... There will be no standard for right and wrong because man would always be right... Except u wanna tell me that God ALWAYS EXPECTED man to fall.

LOL. It is not really true that "only a corrupt man will think of killing". Killing is sin, a violation of the law(1 Jn. 3:4). But before Satan sinned in heaven, (of which the Law was the only standard by which his acts could have been adjudged sin) he was not corrupt. Sin is really a mystery, as the Bible says.(2 Thess. 2:7).

Only corrupt man thinks of killing... Why will an incorrupt person think of killing... U mean God created man with the ability to kill? Like seriously... Well thought he only became capable of sinning after he fell

MuttleyLaff:
What point are you trying to make with this comment?

Its a response to his post

The evidence is there in the bible that the serpent wasnt your average animal
The bible said the serpent was the sharpest tool in the box, its no wonder satan used it
however pigs less intelligient than the serpent, knew what to do when legion possessed them

There is no evidence to this bro... It said the serpent was the wisest among the beast of the field (perhaps wiser than dumb Adam and eve)... It never said Satan saw it as the sharpest tool to use... The serpent deceived man... Not Satan. Read ur bible again. god cursed serpent and never mentioned Satan.

frank317, just like the serpent, you get possessed, by whatever you expose yourself to.
You can be possessed by whatever you permit yourself to come under its influence.
All it takes is, a lapse of judgement, a drop in guard, an error of judgement, a metal lapse,
a moment of being emotionally vulnerable for possession to take place

Well, I am not possessed... Just like how u are accusing serpent of being possessed... Bible never said serpent was possessed... U made it all up just as u are making it up I am possessed. Christianity is all about making up stories in ur head and calling it fact.

Satan has a free pass, and so with it, enters everywhere on earth with it.

Satan doesnt really need a green light before popping head in or around anywhere
Satan has already being and still is here, on this thread, reading aptly with keen interest

Satan is all in ur head.. I have never seen him and I don't believe is exist.

Satan enters you frank317, I and everyone.
It's not just Judas, remember the serpent, remember Peter
(i.e. when and where in Matthew 16:23, Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan!'')

Judas was not possessed by Satan... Another one of ur made up lies.

frank317, you might be giving in and yielding to being a tool, right now, in satan's hand

I am not surprised at this statement... With someone who makes up stories ... U are becoming very good in the art. How about seeing me as Satan himself.

DoctorAlien:
Not true bro. The principles underlying (and which are summarized and suitably adapted for man in) the 10 Commandments are eternal, and have always been there. That Law is moral standard with which GOD rules creation, and it is a reflection of His Character.

Stop twisting words bro... God planted a tree and asked man not to eat it. Man was not corrupt before he ate the fruit... If man is not corrupt, there will be no need for ten commandments...

Thou shall not kill... Only a corrupt man will think of killing

Doctoralien said serpent was not punished.. Lol. His form was only changed to leave a mark.. I not fit shout.

muttleyflall said serpent was punished for allowing the devil possess it... Serpent is now as conscious as man even with conscience too... Lol.

The bible never even said Satan losses serpent. The serpent on its own free will spoke with eve and deceived her and God cursed it without even mentioning Satan...

Everyone seem to be making things up

DoctorAlien:
LOL. Satan himself was and is still the risk. Think for a while that we have the 10 Commandments to obey today, just like they had a specific commandment to obey concerning the tree. Can we say that the risk to disobeying the 10 Commandments are the commandments themselves or Satan who tempts us to disobey? By the way, Jesus, who lived His whole life without defaulting in any of the 10 Commandments, showed that the commandments themselves are not a risk to keeping them.



LOL. GOD did not "set man up". He didn't!

10 commandment came after man fell... Its a correctional instruction not a preventory one

DoctorAlien:
More like to remove whatever point Satan could have raised.

Why does he care what Point rebellious Satan has to raise to the extent he had to put man at risk by planting the tree knowing man will fail.

They were still willfully obeying GOD until Satan "deceived" Eve.

They were Willfully obeying God until God planted the tree which gave Satan the opportunity to tempt them which led to the fall of man.

You see, the whole thing since Satan's rebellion has been to prove to the whole of creation why rebellion should not exist, and why it is just for GOD to annihilate rebellion and those who practise it, which is what GOD will do in the end.

So God had to set man up to prove that rebellion should not exist? What are u even saying?

DoctorAlien:
Just put in little more effort and read the next sentence after the one talking about testing their willful obedience. As you read it, think upon it.

Satan is Gods creation for god sake. So all these was just to prove a point to Satan? Smh

DoctorAlien:
Although this might appeal to those who mock, it hopelessly fails to make meaning to any person with basic Bible knowledge, as this piece reveals deep ignorance of Bible teachings.

The supposed argument between Jesus and the Father on whether the tree should be there is fictitious because Jesus and His Father "are one" both in counsel and every other thing.(Jn. 10:30). By the way Bible students know that the tree was put there in the garden to serve as a test of their willful obedience to the commandments of GOD. If there was no avenue through which they could sin, Satan would have pointed that as an objection when God contrasts man's obedience with his own disobedience.

The notion that the GODhead, and Jesus as the sacrificial Lamb, were caught unawares at the fall of man is laughable. Long before man was created, provision for his redemption had been made should he fall, with Jesus willfully opting to be the sacrifice. Which is why Jesus is said to be "slain from the foundation of the world" Rev 13:8

To test their willful obedience to Gods commandment? Was this sort of an experiment for God? Adam and eve were God's test rats... He he

Now that he has seen the result, I hope he us happy.

BurningBlade:
I see your point, none the less, whatever happened to sticking to your guns in the face of oppression?

Why should an atheist stick to his gun,is it like he is promised an atheist heaven or hell if he does or doesn't?

The direct approach is what is needed from my point of view. The nonsense religion is causing is becoming wearisome. Lots of brain dead nigerians littering the place.

So atheists should kill themselves for this?

thesolutions:
Yet you wished He had appeared to someone with cure for HIV. many people are still arguing about it existence. Very soon, you will too.

Just stop lying

thesolutions:
You said God doesn't exist yet you want His description. If I tell you He looks like you, you won't still believe.

You are only trying to convince yourself not to believe like 1sharon.

U didn't see any God because he does not exist. Saw the creator if this world? Lol...ITS A BIG FAT LIE!!!!

thesolutions:
Christians or people like yourself. Its your thought though. Not the reality.

Not reality? Isn't it why we are having this conversation? To show if its reality or not.
Lordreed has done well to show u some things wrong with the bible and u have only been playing mental gymnastics with nothing to show for it...

You: God is spirit and does not appear to anyone (the same God that us claimed just now that u have seen,are u a spirit?)
lordrReed: Abraham saw God na
You: show me the place in the bible(he gives u the verse) oh...he only appeared in human form..

Everyone:

LordReed: why should ur perfect bible tell us insects have four legs?
You: how many legs should insects have, how is the bible wrong?
LordReed: insects have 6 legs dummy... U no go school.
You: oh I didn't know insects have 6 legs, never bother to check

Everyone:

Telling you any of this will only make you feel more miserable. I won't make what is real look real. He is fake to you but real to me. Am still wondering how something that doesn't exist still be fake at the same time.

Stop lying... That's how u guys make statements Like u are talking to kids.. How can u say u have seen God and cannot describe how he looks...

thesolutions:
I haven't mentioned hell or punishment. Don't be too obsessed with it.

I am telling u why I think Christians claim to stick to a god who has seemingly gotten it wrong from the beginning and u respond like a woman in labour... Did I say u mentioned hell?

If you can't believe someone,you can't believe God. HIV too. You can't blackmail for help.

If I can't believe someone I can't believe God? Is this what u have reduced God to?
How did the God u saw look like? What message did he send u... Stop lying to make ur fake God look real when he is clearly nothing but a figment of ur imagination.

thesolutions:
That you were afraid of God doesn't mean others were too. Your fears must have originated from messages of condemnation and hell. It's not what every one hears. I heard messages of the saving grace of God in Christ Jesus.

That's it bro...I have seen many many Christians... They are only happy to be Christians because they think they have escaped hell. Remember this quote? "I'd rather live my live believing in God so the if I die and he is real, I have nothing to lose..." U can complete it.
The fact is that there is nothing special about being a Christian. Many of them still reach out to me for help. They are just average beings whose success is dependant on hard work and luck just like me an unbeliever. Instead they fast, pray, tithe, only to come back and struggle through life like any other person. The only thing that gives them peace of mind is after life promises. No God to even show for their whole hypothetical holy holy life.
They resort to threat of death and hell if they see u don't believe, what else do they have. My brother leave that thing.

I have seen Him. I have received messages from Him. Don't be jealous please. It's just part of my heritage to see and hear from Him. I enjoy fellowships with Him.

U have seen God? In what form did he appear to u, how did he look like?
What kind of message did u receive from him pls. What message did the creator of this world send to u, he cannot even tell u the cure for HIV.. Abeg we are not here to joke jare.

thesolutions:
Even if He appear to your brother, you wouldn't believe because he is not you. Even if He appear to you, you won't recognize Him because you must have faith to see Him.

If a whole God appears to mW and I don't believe then there must be something wrong with him. Does he ever even get anything right? A God that does not know how to appear to his creation, is that one God?

I have seen Ministers been addressed as Mr. President because they are representing the president in that function. Abraham knew who he was talking to. God is not out to please you frank317.

Of course he is not out to please me, that why I threw him to the bin where he belongs...

He is not out to please anyone but is busy creating hell for those who don't believe him... Always sounding confused.