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they are RUBBER TYRES.

I no AGREE. THEY WILL still relocate if government does not begin to UNDERSTAND they are subsidising this movement. Where else will they go for CHEAP MEDICAL education without strict conditions? tell me.

To enter med school, is not an easy feat, so we expect those that make it, to be the best anyway. The REASONS given so far is salary is not enough, this is not enough. It is all GREED.
EVEN if government increase salary, can it stop THE RELOCATION? NO!
greedy people go for the HIGHEST BIDDER.

georgeiyke009:
I calculated per year. Since you feel so strongly, u can go to school and study medicine since its a cake walk and graduate then come and collect 200k as salary. No matter how you rant on here, Doctors will still relocate. When u put all those stupid conditions on the course, they wiol simply go and study it elsewhere. Also realise that the UK also go for the cream of the doctors. You will be left with those that barely made it out of med school. Your bitterness and anger are better directed at those that gave rise to the situation in the first instance.

all these na GREED!

pmoye:
'Worth' for all practical purposes is determined by what your training and skill set will attract in other countries.

Perhaps you can ask also:

"How much are primary/secondary school teachers worth?" Is it the 30k-50k or so they are being paid? By the way many of them hold a bachelors degree.
"How much are university teachers worth?" Is it the 120k or so that PhD holders are being paid? By the way you get PhD after MSc which you get after first degrees including MBBS.
"How much are our lawyers worth?" Is it the 30k-50k many of them are being paid? By the way after a 5-year bachelors degree, they still have to undergo law school training which on the average costs betweek 300k to 500k.

Needless to say, the list is endless, and all these categories of people are paid infinitely much more than anything Nigeria is offering them.

what other country is practicing this besides UK?

THERE MUST be a motive to this UK POLICY.

topboss:
IT IS THE BEST WAY TO STOP THE FLIGHT OF HEATH PROFESSIONAL IN THE SHORT TERM.


UK ALREADY GAVE MANY VISA AND WAITING TO RECEIVE THEM.

aso rock is out of reach.
aso rock is the PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS. HE SHOULD FIX IT and start CASTRATING THOSE cmds.

topboss:
AISHA BUHARI VISITED ASO ROCK CLINIC, SHE SHOUTED, THAT NOT EVEN A SINGLE SYRINGE WAS IN THERE.



ARE U FOLLOWING.

and did she RUN AWAY too?

martineverest:
haaa....my sister paid Les than 80k cumulatively for 6years of medical study in federal university.thatsvkess than 250 dollars compared to what Americans and Europeans pay

hahahahahaahhahaha.

na smartphone worth more than human live. the world dey go down soakaway soon!

kowalsky:
How the hell is 200k with he current inflation rate of this country enough?

200k is just about $450.

That money cannot even buy a top of the line smartphone.

it is because of GREED. DO YOU know why a MAN decides leave his WIFE and marry another instead of looking for solution to the problem?
It is EASY to marry another. but for DOCTORS, to say it is EASY TO LEAVE to another country, then their EDUCATION IS poor. they are NOT USING THEIR BRAINS and education to solve the PROBLEM IN THEIR OCCUPATION.

I will never EMPLOY THOSE DOCTORS. they are what we call THROWAWAYS! put them in the frontline of the WAR. if they die, who CARES!

tufiakwa!

Leopantro:
Exactly why the doctors and nurses and everyone else is leaving.
Isn't it funny?

is that all?
only those countries.

Can you learn Finnish? That language is even more complicated than Russian.
to study there you must understand Finnish... education is free

kowalsky:
Finland. Norway. Sweden

then the health minister should change it.
start enforcing health standards.

topboss:
I DON TALK MY OWN.


SOME OF THE HOSPITALS THESE DOCTORS HAVE TO WORK IN ARE DESPICABLE.


EVEN OUR HEALTH MINISTER VISITED AND SHOUTED THAT HE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS THIS BAD.


THAT IS BECOS THEY ALL GO ABROAD.


POLITICIANS ARE THE PROBLEM OF THIS COUNTRY.

and how much are these DOCTORS worth?

pmoye:
If anyone wants to leave, let them leave.

Expand the primary care to include more allied healthcare professionals and ad hoc staff. Introduce certification courses (1-3 years) that individuals with natural and life science university/polytechnic education such as microbiology, zoology, botany, biochemistry, science laboratory technology etc can undertake to make them function in certain basic areas of health... Most of the health burden in the country concerns basic complaints and illnesses like malaria, minor skin infections, candidiasis and the likes... Nigeria should leverage on graduates with degrees in life sciences, train them to attend to these basic areas of care.. These specially certified individuals will not practice alone but will be affiliated with specially accredited pharmacies, nursing homes, medical laboratories etc that will function as special primary health care units... And as a rule disallow these basic conditions from being handled at the tertiary health facilities who will only attend to emergencies and referrals.

We have special situations in Nigeria and we should stop copying the rich countries in the way we do things. The fact is, Nigeria cannot afford to pay any one (doctors, etc) what they are worth. We all claim that we are rich as a country, I hate to burst your bubbles by telling you that even as a country we are miserably poor. Check our GDP/revenues, and compare the figures with what some mega corporations like Apple (not even countries now) make. We are phucking poor, and that's for a fact. And the only way to get out of that is for the Nigerian economy to become well-suited and conducive for private businesses. Paying professionals millions will not solve our problem, it will simply deepen the cycle of nonsense.

Oh, that I know.

They we should start CASTRATING these greedy DOCTORS than run away when they are needed the most!

topboss:
DEY GET BRITISH CITIZENSHIP.

U ARE NOT GETTING IT RIGHT.

NIGERIA LOSS IS BRITISH GAIN.

hhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahah.

then the house BURNS and you LOSE EVERYTHING.

Leopantro:
At a certain point, you throw in the towel and start afresh

like the way those NPOWER applicants collect money and no show up!

ahiboilandgas:
we are not against doctor been rich or poor ....doctors can come together and set up private practices and charge their millions and buy private jets......but doctor trained by our collective tax contributions must not run to the uk is like duping tax payers .....acess bank trains graduate on a 2 m naira bond or 2 years .....so public doctor must sign bonds to be admitted to public school run by public tax......

what does this have to do with POLITICS?
POLITICS and science do not MIX.

even if you GIVE the greediest DOG the best meat, it will never be ENOUGH.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND that?

topboss:
THE ONLY THING THAT CAN STOP DOCTORS LEAVING NIGERIA IS BETTER HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE, BETTER HOUSING, VARIOUS INCENTIVES AND BETTER MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE, WITH THEM IN CHARGE OF THEIR BUDGET AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE.



WE ARE WASTING MONEY ON NASS MEMBERS. DO WE REALLY NEED TWO CHAMBERS?



DEM JUST PACK FULL HOUSE THEY COLLECT MORE MONEY AND LOOT, WHILST NIGERIA GOES DOWN.

which advanced country has free medical education?
Germany? you must still pay some funds.

kowalsky:
Stop using America as a generalization for the rest of the world!

There are many 'advanced' countries where medical degrees are close to free of charge

OUR politician say the same thing and they are still LOOTING!

Uncleodi:
You are pained because you are not a Doctor.
Go and buy jamb form and study Medicine and tell me how you will survive with 140k per month.

You want to remain a tenant for life abi? You won't buy car or by land to build your personal house.

A nice camry will cost like 3million naira and you have to save for 3 years to buy it when Doctors abroad that have the same brain like you can afford that within 3 months.

No Doctor is greedy, it is the society that puts alot of pressure on us.. #Rethink

to CATCH a liar, let him keep talking until he makes a big mistake.

so this is just GREED for money. That's how they catch you GREEDY doctors!
now the GOVERNMENT must disavow those doctors that emigrate and REVOKE their nigeran citizens.

Onlinebar:
Dude what's your problem with doctors wanting a better life??

if it is higher in private school, is it not cheaper in public ones?
But DOCTORS from public schools work with those from private ones. What is the difference? They take the same MEDICAL licensure exams. Only the prepared one passes the exam regardless of quality of education!

PerfectlyPerfect:
You pay higher for the higher quality of education. The cost of studying medicine in a private school is higher than that in public schools. Everything is related to the quality of education.

then this is PERSONALITY problem. the DOCTOR does not know how to say NO to people.
I assume the DOCTOR send his or her children to private schools. The fees should not be more than 50k per term. Or is it 1 million for you??

UbongCR7:
Which school fees be 50k per term?
Among people that donate in your church, how many of them are doctors?
Everyone wants to eat from the doctor.

As a doctor, go to the bar with your friends, all man go say doctor dn come, him go pay.

Things are difficult generally for everyone in Nigeria, so if any doctor or any other professional wants to leave the country, (s)he should leave.

No d blackmail person here.

this is WHY non of our MEDICAL SCIENTISTS AND SPECIALISTS are working on a corona cure!
non are working on research.
the HOUSE is burning, and they are running away, instead of looking for WATER.
SO WHY did the government train them?

UbongCR7:
Nigeria is sinking sir.
Few of us still want to stay though, but if things get very bad, people dn leave.

if the HOUSE they burn, will you RUN AWAY or look for WATER to fight the FIRE?

answer that!

Leopantro:
So true, you are right.

Poor, poor Nigerians doctors
Going to place in the front line fighting a pandemic where they will be paid on time, better infrastructure and electricity, better appreciation, better medical facilities where even the Nigerian president and family members attend.
They should have stayed back in Nigeria, where their minister said they will be better off being tailors.
Poor poor Nigerian doctors

stop lying!
all those CHINESE doctors that TREAT corona why in china cities. very few were in US or UK.

do the internet search on salaries. chinese doctors complain of low pay but they are not GREEDY.
THE most greediest people are always on the LOWEST rug in the world. they are too greedy. and that's BLACK. that's why pastor OYAKHILOME was saying BLACK is bad.

georgeiyke009:
Post their salaries so we can compare. Besides Chinese are everywhere in the world including UK so they are actually migrating. They have a bigger population so the net effect is negligible.

then they will STEAL more money to go and meet DOCTORS ABROAD.

topboss:
EVEN YOUR POLITHIEVANS AFTER LOOTING TREASURY TAKE THE MONEY ABROAD WHICH THOSE COUNTRY USE TO DEVELOP THEIR COUNTRY BECOS THEY KNOW HE CAN NEVER WITHDRAW ALL AT ONCE.



POLITICIANS ARE USELESS AND THE PROBLEM.




ALMOST ALL BUHARI CHILDREN LIVE AND STUDIED IN LONDON.



BUHARI DOCTOR LONDON.

people like you always think you know. do you know how much medical education is in the Western world?

you pay 50k dollars a year for the same medical education for 4 to 5 years. that's is around 20 million naira every year!
in Nigeria, you medical fees is not more than 3 million NAIRA a year in private institutions which are even expensive.

PerfectlyPerfect:
Government doesn't subsidize the training of doctors. I don't know where you got that from. Their tuition fees are one of the highest in the Nigerian educational system. The reason why Nigerian doctors are favored abroad is because they still have to write and pass stringent exams despite our terrible academic system and so when they come abroad they tend to do great. There was once a news here on nairaland about a doctor who used slippers to make a neck brace. Only a Nigerian doctor can improvise with such ingenuity.

this is HOW we catch you people. 1.6m is about 140k a month. 600k annual rent is about 55k a month. you are left with 100k a month after deductions. child school fees and the others is only per term, so let's say 50k a term, so that's 100k a year per child. you are left with 1.1m.

what else? utilities na nonsense you dey talk. who pays 100k a month for light? water is free. security? YOU BE king?
you see, you DOCTORS want to live like KINGS. THAT'S THE main problem. you have ENOUGH money. it's is only GREED that's behind this.

georgeiyke009:
lol. naa. explain how it will be enough. especially if you live in a city like lagos. 200k a month is 2.4m a year. take home will be around 1.6m house rent takes at least 600k. school fees and child expenses takes about 400k. 2 kids. utilities take about 100k. light , water, security , Internet, phone. Healthcare for both parents will take another 100k. how much is left. it works for single people or two spouses that make about the same amount of money for them to have a semblance of life. also cuz of the type of job, they need house helps and possibly cooks if they have kids.

those in IT earn way more than that and they are ain't in high pressure life critical roles.

you know CHINESE politicians most likely make more than their DOCTORS.

THE PROBLEM with nigeria is EVERYONE wants to be KING.

topboss:
NIGERIA IS NOT CHINA AND BLACKS ARE NOT CHINESE.

OUR POLITHIEVIANS SHOULD BE THE LEAST PAID.

THEY ARE FRUSTRATING THIS COUNTRY.

So tell us what is the main reason your WIFE decided to leave?
Was the salary not enough?

It's SERIOUS WHEN doctors no dey to treat people.

GreenKalada:
People think this is a joke It's a very serious issue. My wife was among the 58 doctors who were refused travel last month, but she finally travelled 2 weeks ago to London by flight with some others provided by their employer. I'm now left with my 2 children hoping to join her soon. I feel bad for this country because what will now happen to the common man out there if all the qualified doctors leave!!

it can be done.
money is the MOTIVE for all these people running away. if GOVT increase their salaries, they will still RUN AWAY!
MEDICAL doctors in china are one the least PAID workers, and they do not run away.

georgeiyke009:
How exactly will this be achieved?

People travel for all sorts of reasons. You cannot "ban" people or even anything. It has never worked. They will still find a way or simply mess up the system with so much incompetence that you will beg them to leave. You do not want to have a demotivated medical staff attending to you.

They know what to do to solve the problem but since they can jet out for medical issues, they will not. Your politicians earn millions monthly and yearly for doing what?

If they can find money for themselves, they can find money for the doctors.

you are fighting what you dont know, and they best way to do it without losing much, is to HIRE outside help!

have you been a CONSULTANT before? many of these firms HIRE consultants not because they CANNOT do the work themselves, but to PROTECT their jobs! Any problem during the work will result in SACK, so they hire consultants, so they can BLAME THE consultants for problems.

hahahahahahh. That's what that greedy INDIAN uk home secretary that collects BRIBES they do!
this na CORONA times, let these AFRICAN greedy maggots take care of CORONA patients and become infected. INDIANS like to wipe BRIT BUTTOCKS all the time. anyway you go, WHITES like to promote INDIANS above african swines.

Leopantro:
Why can't Nigeria do the training?

you sound like a DOCTOR.
GREED. so you dey say 200k salary a month is not enough?
tell us more.

georgeiyke009:
They cannot. Simply because there are no student loans, no equipped labs and equipment at teaching hospitals.

Also if you make it massively expensive, only rich students can afford it or simply prefer to go abroad and do it since the fees will be at par. We do not have infrastructure for student loans.

The simple issue is to fix the country. All sectors are impacted when security is not taken seriously and the government are hell bent on looting the country dry with no investment in anything.

There is no reason to stay. What exactly will 200k per month do for anybody in a high stressful job as healthcare? Nothing. You can have you and your family study it and graduate and earn the salaries.

because any SERVANT can be trained!
in WAR, it doesn't matter, even a CHILD can be trained to KILL. REMEMBER, sierra leone, liberia, rwanda, congo, uganda!

Leopantro:
If they are dunces, why are they getting jobs in other countries that appreciate them?