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and by the way, I've seen the way foreign DOCTORS treat patient overseas, it is even more STRESSFUL than what these greedy NIGERIAN DOCTORS ARE complaining of. GOVERNMENT should fund the hospitals with equipments.

You think you are the only MEDICAL STUDENT THAT studies?
Have you seen the class schedule of overseas Medical schools? It is even more than yours!
This is the problem with these Nigerian doctors, they are arrogant and think THEY ARE KING, and deserve such. They can not even treat CORONA VIRUS, or even think of any MEDICAL CURE in their lifetime. Na oyinbo must come up with every SOLUTION.

Tufiakwa to you GREEDY DOCTORS!

Start to tell us how you spend your 200K monthly salary... how may girlfriends you get outside? How many relatives you give your salary to. Learn to say no to your begging relatives and don't allow it to affect your work

TheManofTomorrow:
Take the money issue and keep that out of the discussion for now. Maybe you will understand things better.

What about the working condition, hospital equipment- Should they provide that for themselves. Have you been to OSUTH, LUTH, and much other government hospitals in Nigeria?

Even the best of the world's doctors wouldn't be able to perform any outstanding success with those.
So you still want them to go searching for Corona cure despite all that. Countries that are working towards Corona cure and doing top-notch research in medicine, do you know how much their government invests in those research?

Of course, you will say they should go and open their private hospital, do you know the amount of money involved in opening a quality standard private hospital in Nigeria. No doctor working on a 200k salary will ever be able to afford that.

You just have to think above your hate for the medical profession.
Or better still, let any of your children study medicine and when they graduate. Refer them to go and work in any of that 200k job for life.

Cheers

NOT until you don't see any DOCTOR to treat any sickness tomorrow, then YOU WILL UNDERSTAND what we are talking about.

TheManofTomorrow:
If they have the means and they want a better life for themselves by all means go for it.

This country dead already and you know that.
Of course protesting wouldn't change a thing. We all know the quality of living in Nigeria is low many thanks to our greedy political structure.

Anybody that wants to go and will be accepted in a better country should go.

TO HELL WITH NIGERIA��

now you really need to take your PANADOL.

HBB1:
Greed is what is driving the Doctors?

You think it's only Nigerians that are working in the UK or the US?

You want them to be treating Malaria and Typhoid all their lives?!


Crap!

Kai. you are still a sleeping MEDICAL STUDENT. STILL on subsidised tuition fees sponsored by the government, so your reasoning is not strong enough. The inaction of those in politics is because you did not push them enough! That's why doctors go on STRIKE. OF course government may not respond because they know they are subsidising your education. hahahah.
Medicine is a stressful occupation anywhere in the WORLD. And who tell you i don't reside in Lagos. as a matter of fact, i am writing from my village. If our medical professionals perform well in the UK, then why are they running away?
why can't they work on CORONA CURES or vaccines, instead of copying what others say?

Give us a breakdown of your doctor friend Salary, and expenditures. You can rent a 3 bedroom flat in Lagos for 200k naira per year. That is your monthly salary. Please give us a breakdown and we can help you solve your MONEY problem.

TheManofTomorrow:
You don't reason objectively, Sir.

If you do, you will know all the actions and inactions those in politics or the government of a nation, especially the one like ours has a significant effect in all sectors of the economy.

Always on the watch to support these evil people at any given opportunity.

You that you are no greedy. Do you wish to collect 200k with breakneck working conditions for life?

How much is even 200k in a place like Lagos where the standard of living is very high. Imagine enrolling your children in a school of 50k in Lagos. Of course, you wouldn't know because you don't reside in Lagos.

If only you read or go through Medical school for a semester. You will come back and edit all that you typed here.

For your information, I am a medical student, and I am speaking with first-hand information

Have you ever wondered why Nigerians perform well in the UK despite their inadequate training in Nigeria? Well, it's not your government's doing, it's their sole efforts.
The amount of reading they do in a semester, missing sleep, denying pleasures, buying foreign textbooks. I dare say you won't do all that for a slavery-like life of 200k a month while the greedy politician line their pockets with money day in day out.

The quality of education they get in Nigeria is what they pay for.
You don't just stay in the comfort of your house and assume things.

you are missing the point. common people face these problems you mention. I mentioned a relative that DOCTORS send home to die after paying 30k naira weekly on dialysis. The relative died within 2 days after being sent home. We are discussing government expenses of training DOCTORS that abscond after without contributing to their society. These are trying times. CORONA appears deadly.

Should these DOCTORS run away when we need them the most? Should dey go and TREAT foreigners with their own doctors when we need them the most?

There are people without roofs. I am not saying DOCTORS should be superman and superwoman. They have problems too. But SHOULD dey run away at a time when SOCIETY need them the most?

get that into your THICK SKULL and learn. I suspect you don't have a GOOD ANSWER.

Uncleodi:
Have you ever thought of how the lives of the parents and relatives of such doctors will drastically change for the better just within 6 months of their son practicing abroad?

The quality of life can never be compared to working in Nigeria while taking your father for 40k dialysis per week! You will get frustrated spending 120k on dialysis alone without medication. Meanwhile your wife and kids and in-laws are depending on your 200k salary for one thing or the other.

Bros, incase you don't know, people have problems that 500k can solve but no hope to get the money.

Two years ago, this elderly man's roof was blown off by wind and storm and his house was flooded. He developed pneumonia and hypertension because of the event and perhaps, there were other underlying illness but there was no money to even re-roof his house. This was after training his son ooh who is now a doctor but was receiving 130k as monthly salary.

This poor doctor borrowed alot of money to write IELTS and PLAB amidst the family and work pressure. His phone which was his only online source of study was even stolen on his way back from work after a night shift.

Today, this doctor earns in the only currency with a surname (Pound Sterling).
He flew his father to India for Kidney transplant and he has built a brand new well furnished house for his father. This is among other beautiful benefits his relatives and in-laws have gained. They are Nigerians too and deserve a better quality of life.

If this doctor had remained in Nigeria, do you think that his father would have been alive? Your guess is as good as mine!

#Rethink

I don't know how to drive it into your thick skull that no doctor is GREEDY except maybe your sister.

You get the point now!

wetin?
you say they are still receiving salaries even after they emigrate?

armadeo:
Because thier space will never be declared vacant and salaries will continue to be paid to them.

you said good things like student loan, put you con drive go the other way. If western countries, where students pay 50k dollars per year, the average parent salaries after TAX may be 60k dollars or 70k dollars or even less, every year. so LOANS must be there. Somebody just told us his sister paid only 80k naira per year for a medical studies for 6 years, which is even less than 500k naira total. So there's no subsidy? I remember one of my relative studying in Maiduguri in the 80s was even been paid to study. He was given bursary to be in school. he did not pay any school fees.

If you say, doctors should MAKE MORE THAN politicians, then I should make more than politicians too.

Kenn55:
Nigeria does not subsidize anything at least not for the people. The fees in Nigeria are low due to the low purchasing power of Nigeria as a country. You cannot expect people who earn 200k per month to pay 1m per term for school fees for their kids. If you make the fees at par with what is obtained in the developed world, who will attend it? You will have to introduce student loans to make it work but Nigeria does not have the structure to do things like that. Even if you make the fees high, judging by what we know about Nigeria, the quality will be no where near what is obtainable abroad because of the acute corruption in the country.

The solution is to develop the country and make it work for all. If the country is developed to the standard of the west, the role of money in the everyday life of the people will diminish. People will not necessarily earn high but they would be more comfortable with their lives.

The country should get their priority right. Whether subsidized or not, there is no way a politician should earn more than a doctor. From the executive to the Legislators, what have they done to deserve being paid sef? The country is getting worse under their leadership yet the are making millions and billions but the people who are saving lives are struggling

@HBB1, you are truly from the Indomie generation. You talk before you think. Medicine is not like any other profession. It is not like footballers than are there to entertain people and go for the highest bidder. Messi can sign 600million dollar contract. If this were the case, people will die senselessly. If we allow greed to drive Doctors aways, quality of care will go down. And Maslow pyramid doesn't apply here. It is a guide for what you need in life. Stop putting Greedy values ahead of medical care. Government should pass law to prevent these doctors from running away even in this Corona period. Castration is good for them honestly.:


[b]But what's your point?


So if someone gives you free food means you must slave for him Perenially?

Nigeria has no structure for its Doctors.

Mind you a Doctor's life is one of continuous training and retraining.
In Nigeria several doctors are caught in Limbo, no training, poor facilities, slavish pay, nothing!

So you expect a young vibrant doctor to continue to waste in such an environment (if he can help it?)

If you had a child, is that what you would advise?

If your son were a footballer, would you advise him to continue playing in the local league?

Fulfillment in life isn't just about money, just have a quick look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs-- what to eat is lower down on the needs of a man.
Thr intangible things are higher up-- things like living out your potential.

You can never do better than your environment, thatsvrhe strongest factor in determining success!

Nigeria is a horrible environment, wasting dreams lives and destinies. If anybody decides to leaves, don't hold him back, he has his reasons.

If its giving back you are most concerned about, this emigrants will eventually back-- like the Asians are!

Just know that you can't give back what you don't have.
If you are religious, take a cue from the parable of the ten Virgins-- it won't be enough for you, it won't be enough for those you want to help!
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I remember meeting a relative at a General hospital with blood coming from the leg. The DOCTOR seats there, obviously with many PATIENTS, AND overworked, just said take the relative to ANOTHER general hospital, with blood still flowing from the LEG. The DOCTOR did not bother to even cover the WOUND. IF I had given him a few THOUSAND NAIRA, he would have covered the wound immediately. Another relative with KIDNEY PROBLEM, was just sent home to go and DIE AFTER THEY collect N30,000 Naira every week for DIALYSIS. This was LASUTH. when you see the DOCTORS, OUT of 5 of them, na only 1 know the work. and na That 1 doctor go runaway all for GREED!

NIGERIA doctors have to work with overseas DOCTORS either on excursion during their STUDIES to really value their profession.
these people are not DOCTORS...

martineverest:
they even kill patients and still get away with it

Difficult to say. Depending on pay structure. In China, doctors get LOW PAY. Politicians approve pay structure for Doctors working in government hospitals

Pay structure designed by a medical director or so. So blame medical director for not asking for more. But really, this is not about DOCTOR versus Politicians. This is just an EXCUSE.

obonujoker:
Bro... A doctor or a politician, who should be paid more according to profession??

because these DOCTORS are leaving us when they are NEEDED the most!

During Corona. What if there is a resurgence tomorrow? This is the problem with the government. It should have BLOCKED the doctors from running away. Look Trump bought I think 80% of remdesvir medicine from the world market, because he wanted to TREAT sick AMERICANS. They can even have laws to prevent DOCTORS from going anywhere. They are banning TIKTOK, HUAWEI all for national reasons. We should ban these greedy DOCTORS from running away.
CORONA is an emergency. being a DOCTOR is a calling OATH not to place MONEY, GREEDY above your PROFESSION. but Nigerian doctors are the worst! They cannot TREAT SIMPLE illness and complain ABOUT money all the time. Go to any NIGERIAN DOCTORS, you have only 50% chance of surviving because they only think of MONEY and not the patient.

obonujoker:
What's your problem with Doctors... Why are you not this loquacious over your country cursed politicians that have plummeted the country to abyss of negativity??

What is their salaries compared to Nigerian doctors.

Please tell us.

NaMe4:
They are even better compensated than their Nigerian counterparts.

That's subsidised fees even compared to what foreigners pay.
In Nigerian, our medical students are not in DEBT!
THEY still complain. They work for government, they complain. They open their PRIVATE PRACTICE, THEY COMPLAIN.
another Engineer they complain just now. Nothing they SATISFY this people.

But what's your point?

HBB1:
UK citizens in Med School pay that!

In the US, yes it's in the Hundreds...

Their salaries is in the Hundreds of thousands too.

In the end you smile to the bank!

What were you saying again?

I don't know GHANAIAN doctor salaries. But I met one, and he asked me for DASH. I MEAN IT. I gave him some cedis.

GHANAIANS always complain that things are expensive anyway!

But they charge foreign students big DOLLARS. LOOK AT university of Ghana medical school, average Ghanaian pays 2000 to 6000 cedis per year, and foreigners pay 13,000 dollars per year! A dollar is about 6 cedis.

HBB1:
Hehehe!

Anybody can ask for a dash!

What is the salary of a post house job Ghanian Doctor?

No dey talk wetin you no know oga!

@HBB1 like to exaggerate.
In the UK, their state medical schools are not expensive. In US, you finish with 300K dollars in DEBT. now if you are a foreign student even in UK, you will pay almost like US. Depending if you go to shithole UK school, fees may be different, but the post working conditions are they same. You have HIGH STRESS, zero sleep.
8k per year school fees in UK is for general studies. Non-medical.

you must be one of the Indomie generation. Talk first, think later!

HBB1:
Which high debt?

8k per year schooll fees in the UK?

Is that extraordinary debt?

Go and work abroad first before saying all these oga!

'...locked down because of debt'

Orisiirisi!

tell us MORE!
WHICH part take most of your salary?

obonujoker:
Bro leave these clowns... many of them don't know how it is until they get married and start a family, by then their heads will open... I'm an engineer who is currently looking for a way out even Canada to be precise... I'm tired mhen...

actually @HBB1 exaggerate too MUCH.
I remember LAST YEAR, a GHANAIAN doctor working for ONE nice establishment asking me for dash. He said they DON'T PAY them ENOUGH.

martineverest:
liar..average Ghanaian doctors doesn't earn twice more than nigerian doctors

why are you BEING IGNORANT. it is HIGHER than other faculties, but even the other faculties are subsidised. Education in 3rd world is subsidised.

specialised STUDIES like medicine is extremely subsidised COMPARED to other countries, and then after studies, those GREEDY doctors run away and use their TRAININING in other countries, leaving NIGERIANS hanging and dying.

Have you seen any Nigerian doctor in the Hospital? especially those young ones, in Federal hospitals, they think they OWN THE world. They think they are KING and must be treating like such. They are arrogant and greedy!

NaMe4:
I wonder if such people are ignorant of the fact that the tuition fees in the Colleges of Medicine are usually higher when compared to those of other faculties or they're just being sentimental.

I thought I WAS THE one explaining.

hahahahahha

DrFunmisticGlow:
My God you are ignorant.

To hell with this. I'm done explaining.

and for you to know. University of Ghana medical school charges GHANAIANS between 2000 to 6000 cedis per year depending on admission schedule. That's is around 400 to 1000 dollars. That's subsidised education.

HBB1:
The Average Ghanaian Doctor earns at least 2 times what his counterpart in Nigeria earns.

The Government provides jobs for 'ALL' of them after their training-- all of them!

I don't know anything about the SMART approach you are talking about, because no bond exists between Doctor and Government ( to my knowledge)-- and I know quite a nunber of Ghanian Doctors.

Ghanian Doctors are not emigrating because their conditions are way better than it is here.

No dey talk wetin no dey oga!

another doctor that COMPLAINS all the time. you work for government, you COMPLAIN.

you work for yourself, you COMPLAIN.

wetin go satisfy una?

HBB1:
And you thinking like an Eagle, what have you achieved for yourself?

You should ask those in Private Practice the pains they are going through...

You think a Hospital is easy to run moreso in Nigeria?

Off your Mic oga!

perhaps, the CONDITION has changed now. This issue with GHANA I read this perhaps 5 years or more. I don't remember the exact date, but all AFRICAN countries experience this type of BRAIN DRAIN. In Zimbabwe, the DOCTORS go on strike all the time. Na ECONET owner intervene, and pay the doctors last time. So I know what I am talking about.

So you are telling me, medical students in Ghana are not paying subsidised tuition?

HBB1:
The Average Ghanaian Doctor earns at least 2 times what his counterpart in Nigeria earns.

The Government provides jobs for 'ALL' of them after their training-- all of them!

I don't know anything about the SMART approach you are talking about, because no bond exists between Doctor and Government ( to my knowledge)-- and I know quite a nunber of Ghanian Doctors.

Ghanian Doctors are not emigrating because their conditions are way better than it is here.

No dey talk wetin no dey oga!

they are frustrated because they are still THINKING like DUCKS. that's why they RAN away to begin with.

when THEY COME BACK, they should go into PRIVATE PRACTICE. AVOID anything government! GOVERNMENT doesn't change immediately. GOVERNMENT bureaucracy will frustrate you!

DrFunmisticGlow:
they come back for holidays or outreaches. Once their parents die, or no relatives holds ties them to nigeria, they're gone with the wind

Many of my senior colleague and classmates keep encouraging us to come over. They don't have plans to come back.

Many of those who come back with innovative ideas are met with frustration and sabotage and eventually pack their load vack

not only that. their DOCTORS have high DEBT from studying medicine. It takes time to pay back. so they can not RUN AWAY.
EVEN if they run away, can you AFFORD THEM? their yearly school fees is around 20 million NAIRA. their working conditions I think are the same. high stress, zero sleep.

DrFunmisticGlow:
they lock their doctors with juicy pay and better working conditions.

na LIE. even if doctors from advance nations go, can you PAY THEM?
THEY always come back!
nigerians like to think like ducks, that's why THEY ARE RUNNING AWAY, instead of trying to solve the problems.

DrFunmisticGlow:
their doctors still runaway o. All their PLAB slots were booked for the rest of the year within 4 hours.

I have given you one of the answers. Look, the advance countries lock their DOCTORS. THEY ARE not shithole countries

georgeiyke009:
Make them stay then by whatever lock you intend. And then we can see how that works. Ghana is not Nigeria. Their people are timid and not really resourceful. Which other country "locks" a particular profession from travelling anywhere in the world apart from shithole countries? Do you not understand that it will simply make very bright people to not bother studying the course at all? Even if medicine and surgery courses are free but you fail to pay a living wage, people will still leave. Solution is to pay a wage that makes sense. They can go to a different country or simply refuse to practise and go into something else. Also enact a law that must force them to practise at all if they do not want to.

Like i said you are welcome to try. History has shown that in matters like this only a "carrot" works.

there is a problem. but I agree the fees and current compensation structure is on par. so it is GREED!

to know the problem, go back to what NGIGE said. He said, they can go, we have many DOCTORS!

IT MEANS, we can produce many DOCTORS CHEAPLY following the subsidised fee structure. but the main PROBLEM, is the occupation structure is not FLEXIBLE. IT IS the same problem with lecturers that teach in many federal UNIVERSITIES and also teaching in private UNIVERSITIES. the government is trying to restrict THEM. I think the government is not smart. THEY should make it easy for those that want to open private CLINICS to do so, so they can EARN more!

georgeiyke009:
There is none. You Re the one thinking there is. The school fees for the course and current compensation structure are at par, so the FG is doing no one any favors.

They are free agents and can decide to take their skills elsewhere.

sort of. rich kids can afford prep lessons. poor kids can not.
but most of the medical doctors you see, are from well-of families. that's the point.

ahiboilandgas:
says who....admitted poor kids get students loans to pay fees while rich kids parents absorbs the fees ....

so what is the actual problem?

georgeiyke009:
Subsidise bawo.

Your economy is not structured to cater for that.

If you take out the subsidy and pay 25million base salary, people will pay those high amounts. The 2 go hand in hand. Also have structures for student loans.

Having a high paying fee course in Nigeria with the current working conditions and salary structures for Doctors will make it very bad investment. I will advise my wards to study something else.

Back to square one. We all know what the actual problem is but choose to play ostrich. The world economy for talent has gone global.

Compete on the world stage or die.

In the Western countries, na rich kids go to med school. hahahha

ahiboilandgas:
then 90 percent of doctors will be now mechanics ....cos it only rick kids that will attend med school...

you are TWISTING the facts. In Western countries, you pay $50k per year to study medicine. That's like N20 million naira per year.

In Nigeria, someone even said her sister paid about N80k every year to study medicine. That's subsidised education.
Ask yourself why anyone will pay $50k per year and want N140k per month salary. There's no sense there. In Western countries, even their medical graduates only start to make enough after years of low salaries. There is a psychology lock that was designed for a reason. As always, we are dullards in Nigeria. We are ruled by Dullards that used to cheat and fail in classrooms.

140k per month take home salary is enough. the doctors just want to RECEIVE PAY ACCUSTOMED TO what they perceive as an occupation that should be respected. WE have this foolish I want to be KING attitude. You must have 12 servants. an houseboy to wash your car. a dog to smash your Orange into JUICE. How much does TOP doctors make? If they don't like it, open your Private CLINIC! The reason they runaway, is because we don't have that LOCK.

Ghana government realised this, that's why they have a new POLICY AFTER investing and subsidising the medical studies of their citizens. They don't want them to emigrate after a few years. If I were these DOCTORS, I would open a PRIVATE CLINIC. That way, you can earn more!

But because Nigerians are foolish, especially specialised occupantions like MEDICINE, we take the FIRST option: RUNAWAY and EMIGRATE.

georgeiyke009:
Let me ask you.

If you are asked to $50k to study medicine each year for 6 years and then when you graduate, you are paid 140k take home per month with the attendant delays in payment, would you do that?

The amount of money paid as school fees is commensurate with the salary and working structure for doctors. Raise the fees and also raise the salary to world standards. People will even borrow money to fund it.

so she dey say Dr. Paul Orhii allowed the laboratories to ROT?