₦airaland Forum

hercules07:
The alaafin stand up for Ooni pe kilo shele, lai lai, the Ooni is the Chief priest not the spiritual head, the alaafin represents the gods, or is the pope greater than Jesus Christ, if the Queen of England had come in the 19th century and early part of 20th, the alaafin will not stand up unless coerced. All these your stories na fabrication, you think the Ibadans will allow an Ooni their enemy of less than 10 years ago to disrespect the Alaafin. You are telling me the praise of the Ooni, look for that of the alaafin, he is ekeji orisa, your ooni worships him.

It seems you are getting mad, an objective sign that you are losing the argument.  So you agree that the Alaafin can be coerced. Good thing that he is not the supremo in Yorubaland. Unlike the Alaafin, our Ooni, the Igbakeji Orisa, Orisa gbogbo Oba Yoruba (including the Alaafin)
cannot be coerced; he does things with reason. You see the difference?

r231:
ma bi nu


sorry o what do you do for £500 a day
[b]just asking o pls don abuse me

[/b]She was a yahoo girl in Jand, got caught red handed, eventually deported, now she is bitter. Misplaced aggression IMHO.

Just some random fact:

ADELEKAN (OLUBUSE I)- He was the first Ooni to travel outside Ile-Ife to Lagos in 1903 when he was invited by the then Governor General to settle the dispute involving Elepe of Epe. All Yoruba Kings including the Alaafin left their respective thrones as a mark of respect for the Ooni. They returned to their respective stools after Ooni returned to Ile-Ife from Lagos.

ishit4body:
I see thread up and down NL where people talk so bravenly astute about their life abroad and how they enjoy it. Fair enough, anyone can chose to live anywhere they want in the world. Such people think Nigeria misses them or that some people in Nigeria are hoping and wishing they come back or never left in the first instance.
The question is this. Has Nigeria felt an inpact of all the people who are abroad and have chosen to make living abroad their priority. If you think Nigeria as a country misses you, how?
There is a proverb which says, "Oyingbo market doesnt realy know or care if anyone comes on a market day or not"
It is an affront on the entire Nigerian populace if someone who chooses to make another country his or her home, thinks and assumes that her absent is felt in a country of over 100million.
We want to know.

Where is this coming from? I am not sure if this is done out of jealousy or the OP just have a lot of time on her hands. Either way, I think it is an affront on the entire diaspora Nigerians that some sex starved chic thinks that  some hardworking folks in foreign countries have the time to think about how they are being missed , or not, in Nigeria. This is what you should do: Try carrying out a research on the living standard of Nigerians with families abroad Vs. those who do not have families. abraod.

Yes, he is the spiritual head of all Yorubas.

Below is the praise poetry of His Imperial Majesty:

OBA OKUNADE SIJUWADE II
Olofin Oduduwa
Iku Baba Yeye
Iku Alase, Igbakeji Orisa
Orisa gbogbo Oba Yoruba
Oba Olori Alade
Jingbinni bi ate Akun
Ekun Olori Aiye gbogbo
Kabiyesi, Ebora Ile-Igbo

His Imperial Majesty, Alayeluwa Oba Okunade Sijuwade, Olubuse II, OONI of Ife (CFR, DCL, LLD, D. LITT) is the only Authentic Ebora, every other Ebora is a counterfeit.

kITA TITA:
@ ishit4body, thanks for you insight. But your language is harsh and incompatible with your education and looks.

She is bang-able, isnt she? With a body like that, I doubt she worked hard for any education she may claim to have got. just saying!

DapoBear:
When did taking pictures become illegal?

Well no one says it is illegal to take pictures in general. However, it is rude to take pictures of people , and especially public figures, including police officers, without their consent, irrespective of the situation. And I am glad that there is a law against such barbaric acts. He should be made a scape goat. Life in prison with hard labour! Just saying.

hercules07:
http://allafrica.com/stories/201003150261.html. Your Ooni who should be above partisan politics supporting an alleged killer

I don't get your point? Are you insinuating that Thisday, a corrupt Lagos-based newspaper, is more authoritative on Osun politics than a newspaper based in Osun. BTW, Osun defender is heavily anti-Oyinlola, local, and highly pro anything that will bring down Omisore, who I think is disgrace to Ife.

Ooni is not PRO-OMISORE! He used to be, but not anymore. There are more competent people in IFE.

hercules07:
Follow this link as your Ooni tries to absolve himself from the mess he created http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/622489/posts .

Yes, he was telling the truth. Have you ever been to the palace? I have been there and I know how big the palace is. There is no way the Ooni knew about the incident before it happened. I see nothing wrong with him venturing into politics. He is the spiritual head of all Yorubas, and as such it is his duty to make sure that peace reigns in Osun state, and in Yorubaland.

There is a Yoruba adage that says: Agba kii wa lodja, K'ori omo tun tun wo. He is doing his best to bring together the different factions in osun politics, which is an essential ingredient for good governance.

hercules07:
@fstranger
Not only have I been in Ife, but I have stayed there several times, one side of me is from Ilesha and before the new road was done, I always passed through Ife, infact, I used to stop in Ife for a few hours before proceeding to Ilesha, also, a younger brother got married in your ife as well and when I was much younger, I lived in ife for about a week, so dont go telling me that I have never been to ife.
Your Ooni should take a cue from the Oba of Lagos on how to help develop a place, if the people of Imo state could contribute to build an airport themselves, Ooni with his connections could have brought greater development to his people. The RCC where he is a shareholder handled the Ibadan - Ife - Ilesha road, that road did not last a year before it started giving way, please try driving on that road today, you will know the devil lives there.
[b]I do not care for the traditional rulers as I feel they are leeches on the people, but your Ooni is the worst of the lot. Bola Ige was harassed in his Palace, he is insisting on Omisore being then next Governor of Osun state whether the people want him or not, his palace has turned to PDP office and the last election was massively rigged in Ife, we are the people on ground and we know what is happening.[/b]He has always caused commotion in the State council of Obas, always insisting to be the permanent head when there are Obas who are more than his equals on the council ( abi you want to compare your Ooni to the Owa Obokun of Ijesha land, make I give you small history), when he was in Oyo state, it took the intervention of the Governor Sasaenia to quell the issue because the Alaafin was giving your Ooni some history lessons, please ask from your elders if you were not born then.

Please, Facts, not sentiment.
http://www.osundefender.org/?p=8793

Obiagu1:
^^^

rant of a psycho.

She's got a hot body though. I'd do that anyday, anytime, anywhere. Just saying!

who cares if you are happy with the poll or not, as long as I am satisfied, thats all that matters.

DapoBear:
There is a difference here. If you can find an absolute moral standard, then you can use it to judge certain actions (and societies) and see if they hold up.
(Though even with this, there is a danger. If you are a Christian and believe in the Bible as your absolute moral standard, will you then judge your pagan father or grandfather or distant ancestors as evil, because they were not Christian, and practiced various unsavory practices? I sure wouldn't, personally.)

With language, there is no absolute standard. Do we judge against English as of 1807 in London? Or English in 1907 London/NYC/Boston?

This is why I'm not too concerned about languages changing.

Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be

Yeah, yeah, and yeah. You are absolutely correct. White people like my okoo or oko, whichever you prefer. Please, let me know if  and when you'd like to have a taste of it!


Oloyan peak milk

42.4

olobo nla

DapoBear:
Living languages evolve. So even if is grammatically incorrect, once you have a large enough mass of people using that incorrect grammar, then it becomes correct

The way people behave and their attitude towards societal ills evolve over time,  it therefore means, going by your reasoning, that once you have a large enough mass of people "blowing themselves up," then it becomes the right thing to do to revenge any perceived mistreatment.

On a more serious note, Thanks for those links. They were really helpful.

DapoBear:
I've no clue how oil is the issue. In any case, we have oil off of our coast, and very likely additional blocks can be found.

Plus, it isn't as if you can really build an economy off of[b][/b] oil. You build an economy out of people, not oil.

Nigerians, especially young Nigerians, are fond of the really irritatingly redundant prepositional phrase “off of” to stand for “from” or to merely intensify the preposition “off.” And it is catching on very fast among even the educated elite. It’s usual to hear people say something like, “He got it off of the Internet,” or “She made a lot of profit off of that business,” or “She jumped off of the train” (why not simply “she jumped off the train”?), etc. It makes me want to slap someone on the mouth! That sort of murderous violence against the English language should be punishable by flogging

DapoBear:
But you say this as an insult, when it is truly not. By the time my life ends, I personally will be more proud to have something named after me in Yorubaland than elsewhere in Nigeria, or even elsewhere in the world. There is something very special about being loved in the land of your ancestors. I dunno man, that is just the way I think. Give me honor in my homeland over honor elsewhere in the world.

You are either extremely smart or a lot older than 99% of NLers. Either way, Gbam! Gbam!! Gbam!!! for you.

chyz:
She should have named the stadium after Akintola and then its bathrooms after Ojukwu.

You never cease to amaze me with your stu.pidity!

jason12345:
amen ooo!

as i told my igbo friends and as they have told me, " we were born nigerians, not as igbos or as yorubas". peace.

Yeah right!

~Bluetooth:
O fine,o handsome,o beautiful. . .sha jeki patience gba e mu.aanu mi ma se e o

Ara tin Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Aja to ba ma sonu, will always ignore the warnings of the hunter
Oro Ileke dabi oro eni ta soro fun, to n sapa kunda kunda.

Even it is written in the bible that, omo ta ba soro to ba n w'orun ki, ofe parun ni.

A word is enough. Let Patience Jonathan take over from here.

~Bluetooth:
O ti ma gbagbe pe ko n se gbogbo nkan to n dan ni wura ? O di gba ti won ba ko gbogbo shop e lo ko to soji ! Though omo yoruba ,o ye ko ma ronu

400 Gbosas for you


Gbam! Gbam!! Gbam!!!

:d

~Bluetooth:
ROTFL. . .oro girl ko ti wa ye mi.bo ya o ni fesi awon baba agbalagba ni,ta lo wa mo bayi ?

Owo lo birin mo. I am just worried for her because she is too young to have such mentality.

Anywho, I do not begrudge her for wanting to bed those agbalagbis, whatever she is selling will soon finish.

By George Kerley
I read through Dr Aliyu U. Tilde’s Discourse 301article and could not help but shake my head in disbelief.

In just a few months, especially after Dr Goodluck Ebele Jonathan GCFR, President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria decided to run for the Presidency in 2011, the quality of Dr Tilde’s writings has fallen so badly. These days, almost every paragraph of his essays could be mistaken as the placard ranting of a zoning zealot.

He has lost that flair for inciting communal reasoning and become the mouthpiece of that group of Northern Nigerians that is so bent on undermining the other constituent parts of the Nigerian State.

If Dr Tilde had taken the time to do a good research, he would have found out that the said NAIC report was not even a military report but a dubious, mischievous and concocted exchange between military officers.

Paragraph 54, page 27 of the said malicious document reads and I quote

", It is believed that there is an orchestrated plan by the Niger Deltans (emphasis mine) to secede from Nigeria which is being played out over the years with every opportunity they (emphasis mine) have. It is also believed that they (emphasis mine) took maximum advantage of the unique opportunity they (emphasis mine) had with the successive appointments of Generals Ogomudia, Asemota and Azazi as GOCs 1 Div."

What is the writer inferring? Very easy to see. The writer is inferring that Niger Deltans no matter how highly qualified, should never be allowed to hold highly sensitive military positions any longer.

Any intelligent reader will have no difficulty in deciphering that this dumb memo was an exchange between a Northern junior military assistant to his boss of clearly the same ethnic stock. The objective of this dubiously lettered package was clearly to undermine the people of the Niger Delta and build a process that would continuously shortchange military officers of Southern origin. This is worthy of national condemnation and an act of ingratitude to the people of the Niger Delta whose resources have catered for the sustenance of the Nigeria state for decades now.

It is also shameful that even a Dr Aliyu Tilde could not even take some time to research further in spite of the fact that the internet has made light research very easy.

I am most curious why Dr Aliyu U Tilde did not research to find out and discover the malicious intent of the author of that report who deviously refused to include that the Nigerian Army had inaugurated a General Court Martial (GCM) to try the accused officers.

Neither did the report mention that the said officers were given various degrees of punishment including life imprisonment etc. That court martial was reported in quite a number of national newspapers. One of such was the Compass Newspapers of November 19, 2008. Read story here.

In a spasm of literary madness, Dr Aliyu U. Tilde opined that “………….if this trend continues until 2015. Niger Delta would have completed all arrangements for a secession: increased oil revenues that could be used to buy weapons; complete undermining of the military through posting agent officers as commanders especially along the coastal area and possible relocation of military hardware to the region; and well trained guards to oversee the illegal activities required to achieve this goal with the aid of Nigerian state machinery which they did not enjoy hitherto. Then, the conspiracy theory of the army intelligence corps would not need to be investigated into and ascertained. It would be a reality, just as would become of the prophesy of the disintegration of the nation by 2015 that is widespread in diplomatic circles.

This is the most tragic piece of literature to have come out of the Nigerian State in almost five decades and is a key pointer to the fact that Dr Aliyu U. Tilde is nothing different from the Northern fundamentalists who consistently threaten the peace of the North.

How else can anyone in his right senses decide to go so low?

Why would anyone seek to deliberately undermine President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan or the National Security Adviser General Andrew Owoye Azazi?

Is President Jonathan’s magnanimity being taken for granted? Were these people not holed up and silent in their homes when Abacha Gestapo was on the prowl?

Did Dr Aliyu Tilde and his likes come out to condemn Abacha and Babangida when they were running down the Nigerian State?

What manner of nepotism, parochialism and intense myopia is this?

Dr Aliyu U. Tilde has today declared himself as a barefaced ethnic regimental officer of the dubious ageing Northern war criers who believe that the governance and government of the Federal Republic of Nigeria has become their birthright!

Their persistent attempts to color the current political and democratic agitations as a North-South fight for domination is to say the least damning.

It again begs the question. Would these pro-zoning power-mongrels from the North have allowed the people of the South OR the Niger Delta a piece of their action if the oil and gas resources were in their domain?

Could this be a wake-up call to the elders, youths and children of the Niger Delta?

How else can you explain Dr Aliyu U. Tilde’s careless and uncouth attempt to undermine, malign and impugn the character, capacity and competence of the current President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria?

How else can you explain how the PhD parading Aliyu U. Tilde can garner the temerity to declare that Nigerians cannot trust President Goodluck Jonathan GCFR because of a matter that surfaced when President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan was Vice President?

In spite of everything, the South understood with President Umar Musa Yar’Adua during his time as President. What is it about the Niger Delta and President Jonathan that they fear so badly?

In his short time as President, Dr Goodluck Ebele Jonathan has done far more than most Nigerian Presidents did in far more years. He has visited more states across Nigeria than many of those before him. He has commissioned more projects across the federation than many before him.


Nigerians no longer have to hoard petroleum products or stand in line at long queues to buy gasoline because those days are gone. It took President Goodluck Jonathan only a few months to deal with an issue that past governments, from Abacha to Obasanjo could not do even though they continued to increase the price of gasoline each day. How can we be so ungrateful so soon?

To tackle the power situation in the country, President Jonathan has assembled some of the best minds in the Industry to come up with a radical master plan that would ensure that Nigerians begin to enjoy uninterrupted power supply. He has given the team express mandate to deliver on time. Yet these people say he has not done anything. Are they serious?

Where were these people when their godfathers were ‘switzering’ up the Nation’s coffers? Billions of naira was siphoned to secret bank accounts in Switzerland in what became a way of life for many of them. Much of these will never be recovered to build Nigeria or even compensate the Niger Delta.

What could have been the intent of Dr Aliyu Tilde and his co-conspirator author of the Sahara Reporters article? Where they angry that General Andrew Owoye Azazi was appointed National Security Adviser (NSA)?

Could this be because General Azazi is the only non-Northerner ever to be National Security Adviser of the Federal Republic of Nigeria in almost 4 decades?

Why question the competence of someone whose credentials is the most impressive of all former NSAs?

In his previous active years as Chief of Army Staff and Defence Staff, General Azazi was the object of tons of media and personal attacks by militant groups in the Niger Delta who accused him of giving his total loyalty to the Nigerian state and having disdain for his region.

It is therefore laughable for Dr Aliyu Tilde and his likes to suddenly wake-up from their groping nightmare and accuse the same General Azazi of aiding and abetting the activities of armed militants in the Niger Delta.

And then they talk about trust.

Come to think of it. Who should talk about Trust? Dr Aliyu U. Tilde? A member of a distasteful Northern Cabal that has for decades now been cloaked in the garment of tragic mistrust and distrust? Let us now take a look at the Trust profile of some of their leaders.

General Muhamadu Buhari was the General Officer Commanding (GOC) 3rd Armoured Division of the Nigerian Army in Jos when he overthrew his then principal and President Shehu Shagari in December 1983. Trust or Distrust?

General Ibrahim Babangida was Chief of Army Staff of the Buhari regime when he overthrew his principal and head-of-state under trumped up allegations of high-handedness in 1985. Babangida then plunged Nigeria into 8 years of destructive loose-handedness which saw Nigeria and Nigerians witnesses increase in drug trafficking and the murder and execution of hundreds of promising young Nigerian military officers. Trust or Distrust?

After a long rigmarole in dubious political transition programs which cost the nation billions of naira, General Babangida ended up annulling what was famed as Nigeria’s most successful elections on June 12, 1993. Trust or Distrust?

Prior to stepping aside in 1994, General Babangida handed over to an Interim National Government headed by Ernest Shonekan after cunningly drafting General Aliyu Gusau to serve as Chief of Army Staff in the Interim Government. The rest is now history.

In a quick daylight operation, three top military generals – General Abacha (Secretary of Defence in the Interim National Government), General Oladipo Diya (Chief of Defence Staff) and General Aliyu Gusau (Chief of Army Staff) walked into the office of their principal (and the Head of the Interim Government) Chief Ernest Shonekan and asked him to resign. That was November 17, 1993.

Are these the kind of people who should be talking about Trust? Certainly not!

This is a New beginning and a fresh generation of Nigerians are looking for good leadership. They want a government that will listen to them and give them the opportunity to access the opportunities provided by a better quality of life. Coming from a long history of leadership by military dictators who did not trust themselves and even went as far as executing and murdering themselves, Nigerians may be unwilling to trust too quickly. Most importantly, we seek leaders who will earn and win our trust.

At The Jonathan Project, a volunteer movement for the support of President Jonathan, we have gone a step further. We understand that Trust and Confidence building is a mutual thing. Therefore, we have challenged ourselves to encourage President Jonathan to work towards winning the trust of progressive minded Nigerians by doing the right thing for all Nigerians.

We believe in President Jonathan because he has lived a life of service to mankind. We trust in President Jonathan because he believes in the Almighty God and so we expect that he will trust the Good Lord to direct his path in bringing great leadership to all Nigerians.

So far, so good. We are committed to building a new Nigerian where new levels of trust will grow between all ethnic nationalities within the Nigerian federation.

One thing is sure, we will succeed. Our success will never be dampened by the antics of a myopic thinking bunch. They will fail.


George Kerley

EzeUche0:
Shrewd Awolowo. . . We can hate the man all we want, but we cannot deny that he was a brilliant strategist/politician. If only Nnamdi Azikiwe realized the truth about Nigeria. *smh*

i concur! now you are talking like a sensible biafran!

~Bluetooth:
O n wa eebu abi ? Eleyi gangan lon pe ni eebu.oloju mi oloisonu leleyi o

omo kekere are, baba agbalagba lo n fe ju mo. oru e lo je pe , to ba n ko ja lo, and anybody sufe, the next thing you will hear is. Boda se mi len pe. won le fi ordinary pic gbe lo bo se wa yen!

first person to post, , , , hahahaha

what do you expect from a wasted ethnic group. Same stupid mentality, rich and poor!

hercules07:
@Katsumoto

I do not care for any of the obas, I am just trying to correct some impressions. The present Ooni's case is even more galling as he is a destablising factor in his state, he is influential, yet, ife looks like a village. The Oba of Lagos has been of greater benefit to his state in less than 5 years than the Ooni in 30 years.

What do you want exactly? On one hand, you want his power reduced, on the other hand , you are castigating him for not developing Ife, a place you 've never been to. Whose job is it to develop Ife? Ooni's, who is not even recognized by the constitution; Or the state Governor's, whose discretion determines how developmental projects are distributed in the state.