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LegalWolf:
LOL - like the future thief TenQ you keep lurking yo clear issues.



You claim that the Torah was not in existence, and even TenQ argued that Torah came into existence after Moses death. Apparently, Jewish tradition disagrees with you and we must agree with this fact that Torah was revealed to Moses at my sinai (whether in written or a oral form). This is sacrosanct to our point.

In essence, and contrary to your position, Torah came into existence at the Time of Moses at Mount Sinai.

Is that agreed?




I should prove the words that were used during the time of Moses or not. Even yhwh can’t do it. Is this a joke to you?

Cc: future thief TenQ sirtee15 fxmasterz

Lol. Dodging as usual.

Let's even agree that the Torah was in existent before Moses, okay? Let's just agree that way to make things extremely easier for you. We already know that the Torah can't predate Moses who is the source of the Torah, but for your sake, we'll agree that the Torah existed before Moses.

At what point did they start referring to some keepers or observers of the Torah as Samaritans? You can see that allah goofed big time.

No one is telling you to prove any word. Stop dribbling. Tell us how Moses came about the word Samaritan. Who coined that word. According to the tradition of the Samaritans? when did the word Samaria come into existence?

pstemma1990:
Happy Sunday

Please drop your phone number. I'll chat you up to pray for you.

LegalWolf:
LOL



Where did you get this insinuation from?



What’s your source for the underlined ?

Cc: future thief TenQ

Didn't your Quran reference Moses as saying a Samaritan caused the Israelites to sacrifice to an idol? I just told you the exact time that incident happened in Jewish history.

Just prove right now that the term Samaritan was in use in Moses' time. We're not asking you to prove whether a Samaritan existed at the time or not. What we know is that Moses cannot use a term that was coined about 1,300yrs after his death. Prove to us that the term was in use in the days of Moses.

LordIsaac:
The Bible supercedes all past and future scientific discoveries!

Yes! And that's what the OP has just proven.

TenQ:
The Torah consist of Five books, one of the books contain the account of the worship of the golden calf. How can LegalWolf's Samaritan be a custodian of a book which has not been written.
But LegalWolf will claim you agreed to his False Representation as fact. If you claim to agree to his lies and misinformation you must be careful to clarify your point. I know him better than he knows himself. A Fruad he is like his prophet.

One thing I happy about is that at this point except he is deluding himself, he know quite well that Allah goofed big time about the Samaritan. If Allah goofed, he cannot be God!

That's the point now. A Samaritan cannot be a keeper or observer of a book that has not been written. I already told him that. Now, he wants to know how I knew that the book hadn't been written at the time. I have made him to understand that Moses was just coming from the mountain where he received for the first time, the two tables of stone that contained the 10 commandments which formed the core of the Torah. I made him know that the tablets were even broken immediately Moses saw the golden calf attributed to the the Samaritan by his allah.

I have also told him that, even if the Torah had existed at the term, the observers or keepers of the Torah wouldn't be called Samaritans until Omri coined the word about 1,300 yrs later.

So, no matter his position, his Mohammed is in the mud for his lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, the whole Bible contains 66 books, 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses. There is nowhere a pre-Adamic race was ever mentioned or cited in the entire Bible.
Jesus never mentioned something like that so get it that the OP is subtly condemning the Bible!

Guy. If you canmot refute the Jeremiah and Peter references, stop quoting me. This isn't a sect or denominational discussion.

Maynmann:
Then next time use your sense and not jump on a conversation you were not invited in.

Spirit means breathe, in the jewish books you are gobbling, demons are called shedim, and are not evil.
Indoctrinated christian!

Another insult again.

Bye. God bless you.

Maynmann:
Yes he did, he said 2 separate events and there was no such thing.

I can also see through my mind, i am not my mind.
The Old Testament you are gobbling up was taken from babylonian and Mesopotamia mythology.

You are so desperate, “are you okay” is now an insult? You are the one immature here.
I was on my own and you quoted me, and you started saying jargons that you are not interested in arguments; who send you in the first place?

Please go and go basking in your jewish books, you are a nobody, who is interested in you?!,
remember you quoted me first.


Keep gobbling up jewish books

Bye. Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Mention the name of a person in pre-Adamic race!

So instead of bringing the Bible into your heresy just say you're confused over what others say, there was no pre-Adamic race that's why the first name mentioned in the beginning is Adam and Eve!

Go and read the Jeremiah and Peter references first and come back.

God's attention is particularly on the Adamic race. The pre-adamic race only received slight mentions in the Bible. Don't ask me for names. No one talked about names. We're just given an hint that makes us know where demons came from.

TenQ:
The place he quoted didn't even call the Samaritans keeper of the Torah.
Even then, the Torah didn't exist until the death of Moses.

Either way, the Samaritan building the golden calf is a LIE. As the Torah didn't exist at that time.

Don't mind legalwolf. I just want to use his own words to rope him in. I'm agreeing to all the lies and misinformation knowing that at the end of the day, even the lies would be counterproductive for his position.

Maynmann:
You clearly don’t know anything. The Jewish creation story is an ALLEGORY.
Go and read the underlined and come back.

I have nothing to discuss with you.

Maynmann:
Whatever you said is your own, the facts in the Jewish books are there.

And i was on my own when you quoted me, are you okay?
And i was talking to the Op, who made a mistake of calling the earth in genesis 1:1 a planet where demons lived.
Then you LIED that spirits cant die and are immortal, show me a verse that says so you haven’t.

I only told you the OP didn't call the earth a planet.

I can see through your mind. All you want to do is prove that the Bible and science do not agree even when the OP has proved beyond reasonable doubt they do.

I'm not going to argue with you.

You said Christians insult you before you insult them when I once accused you of being immature in argument. Have I now insulted you for you to start telling me "are you okay?"

Please go and rest. I don't have anything to discuss with you. I'm not interested.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy no intelligent creature live on this planet before Adam and Eve there is no pre-Adamic race so the OP is wrong!

But the Bible says so. Read the Jeremiah and Peter reference again in the OP. Science also says so. At least discoveries have been made. Your opinion does not matter.

Maynmann:
You don’t understand the books you are gobbling on.
Bible means books, and your Old Testament belongs to JUDAISM, they call it tanankh.

What do you even think “christian” mean?
What do you think “bible” means?
The “theo” in theological what do you think it means?
Just regurgitating what they told you, nothing new.

Those books are JEWISH BOOKS.

You've not told me anything I don't already know. I'm not disputing what you've just said. So, let's lay the matter to rest.

Maynmann:
First go and learn what those underlined words mean then come back.

Remember you are reading Jewish books that is talking about their israelite god, yahweh.

Everything I have said so far about skies and ground as related to Genesis 1 are not contradictory to the underlined. I refuse to be drawn into unevesary argument.

First, you came talking about ground not planets. I told you we're talking the same thing. After confirming that, you want to start arguing about something else. I'm actually not interested in arguments.

Maynmann:
You don’t understand the jewish books you are reading, but you using your doctrine interpretation.

First learn what “theos” means, before you talk on “theological”, just saying words you lack meaning on.

You can't understand the Bible the same way I do. You're not a Christian, are you? I Iive in and breathe the Bible. You don't.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is the reason why i told you the OP is subtly condemning the Bible!

The opening words of the Bible said:
"IN THE BEGINNING"
So where did you and your friend (OP) find the world BEFORE THE BEGINNING?

The OP is right and not condemning the Bible.

There was a beginning when God created heaven and Earth. He didn't create the earth to be chaotic. The earth eventually because chaotic. Then He moved in verse do to cotrect the chaos. Please go and read the OP again and this time, do it more slowly. You're jumping into hasty conclusions without even comprehending what he wrote.

Maynmann:
The darkness was on the face of what?, if he is to separate darkness from light,, on which basis will he do that?
Is it not Within The deep covered with darkness ?

Darkness was upon the face of what?



Spirit means BREATHE/WIND.
Your omnipotent god can’t do something without his spirit, did he create the spirit, or they both existed the same time?

Start reading from 1:6, your god “made” everything from the deep water, he didn’t create anything.
Also genesis 1:1 was talking about SKIES and GROUND.

I don't need to argue with you. All what you're saying are based on your personal opinion which are theologically incorrect.

LegalWolf:
Can you discuss a term without its meaning?



You and TenQ with your useless hallucinations. Even per biblical accounts, Moses spoke to yhwh on at least three occasions. Or was it just once that Moses spoke to yhwh and he gave him the Torah?

So what gives you the proof that this event occurred before the Torah was given to Moses?



Lol, it’s the audacity for me !

You'll first discuss the term before the meaning.

The incident recorded by Mohammed was the first time Moses went to receive the tables of stone containing the 10 commandments. The Torah wasn't in existence then.

Moreso, the term Samaritan, even if it means keeper of the Torah, was never in use in Moses' time! The term was coined by Omri.

LordIsaac:
My Bible told me that "IN THE BEGINNING..." God created Adam and Eve....I think that's all I need to know about the first human beings God created.

That assertion is wrong. Scientific discoveries have found out that this is not true.

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word Adam is dead {Genesis 3:19} and all his descendants have inherited death through him {Romans 5:12} so anyone saying something survived man at death is promoting what Satan told Eve "you will not die completely" Genesis 3:4 Adam and Eve died completely and nothing survived them except their children who inherited sin and death through them! Romans 3:23


Guy no one lives in any form after death that's what makes resurrection a reality [John 5:28-29 compare to Act 24:15] if they're not completely dead their resurrection will make no sense after all they're alive somewhere!


They are formerly faithful and obedient angels that descended to mate with female humans before the flood {2Peter 2:4} they were restricted from having anything further to do in heaven after their disobedience so they have nowhere to go other than planet earth.
God only created the heaven and the intelligent beings He made there are angels {Job 38:7} He also created the earth and the intelligent beings He made here are humans {Psalms 115:16} there are no other intelligent beings elsewhere!

Totally wrong and practically unbiblical.

You should have said that the references I made of Moses, Elljah, etc are not in the Bible.

Where in the OP did the post say there are other intelligence beings inhabiting our world. The OP was talking about a world before a world for crying out loud.

Maynmann:
Where in the “scripture” did it say that “Spirits can't die bro. Spirits are immortal.“

The Bible never said so, but it is implied and confirmed by our knowledge of the spirit realm.

Maynmann:
Yes it did, that action is called “contraction”, after he moved on the faces of the water, he said let there he light and he seperated light from darkness,
The darkness was on the face of what, if he is to separate darkness from light,, on which basis did he do that? The deep

I think that's your own interpretation.

God does not do anything without His Spirit. God's Spirit and God's Word are the two instruments of His creativity. There's nothing to support the saying that God created the earth and skies from water.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're contradicting God's word because Adam is dead due to his disobedience and he's dead completely! Genesis 3:19

Have you been dead to know that Adam does not exist in the spirit form? There's no contradiction here.

All who died from Adam are translated. Or do you mean all the prophets like Moses, Elijah, etc are all completely dead? Did Jesus not speak with Moses and Elijah on the mountain of transfiguration? Did the parable of the rich man not see Abraham and Lazarus in heaven?

The pre-adamic man was neither promised heaven or hell. Infact, up till the New testament was given, neither heaven nor hell were promised. The only punishment for wicked people was physical punishment. Jesus had to descend into Hades when He died for 3 days to preach to the dead souls that were in prison.

1Peter 3:19
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"

Maynmann:
Yes it was, the first thing your god did was to move on the face of the water, that action created light.

The action didn't create light. God had to call light into being. He said 'Let there be light.'

Maynmann:
Then your god is not omnipotent.
He created a stone he can’t lift, or rather “made”.

There's nowhere in scripture that says God cannot kill spirits. We know that spirits are immortal. They can't die. That's what God desires.

MaxInDHouse:
Did any verse mention "DEMONS" as humans who disembodied?

According to God's word dead is the end of human life!

Demons have no human life. Dead is the end of terrestrial life. Humans continue to exist as spirits.

Maynmann:
Where did he make the “heaven” from?

Hope you know genesis 1:1 said heavenS in plural and it means Skies,as you said.

The Bible didn't tell us about the begining. It only told us that there was a beginning. The activities of God in that beginning was not given to us but there are scriptures that makes us know that God commanded everything into being at once. He created them by His word through His Spirit. Psalm 104:30.

Maynmann:
Who created the deep water that was used to create heaven and earth?

The deep water was not used to create heaven and earth.

Maynmann:
Your omnipotent god that created them can’t even kill them again 😂

Yes. He created them to be indestructible. Even human beings also are indestructible.

MaxInDHouse:
For the highlighted please quote God's word to back it up!

The OP already quoted from Jeremiah and Peter.

Maynmann:
It is you that don’t understand the “bible” you are reading.
Genesis 1:1 is only a Recap of what happened in genesis 1:8 and 1:10.

Your god created earth and heaven from the formless and void deep.

The OP doesn’t understand what he is saying, planet earth was never created in genesis 1:1, so which planet was created perfect?

No. It wasn't. Genesis 1:8 to 10 is talking about God making the skies, etc. Not about God creating the skies. There's a slice difference between creating and making.