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TenQ:
Can they respond truthfully and remain Muslims?
When in their attempt of creating the perfect Scripture, they claimed that every word of the Qur'an was dictated by Allah creating a problem for themselves.

If their claim is true, then Allah must show intelligence, knowledge and accuracy. In all these Allah failed. His level of intelligence is not higher than what is expected of the 6th century Arabian man (aka Muhammad)

I tell you bro. If they have said that Mohammed was the one who wrote the Quran, then, no one would blame Allah for the flaws in the book. Infact, we would still absolve Allah if it was claimed that Mohammed wrote while Allah dictated; you know we may assume that the errors contained in the Quran was due to Mohammed not hearing Allah correctly, or he wrote long after the dictation to have forgotten some of the things dictated to him. The Quran fails woefully because it is purportedly written by Allah himself.

TenQ:
Let me rephrase the question.
Premise :
You, Antichristian, Legalwolf, Lukuluku69, Venessa7, Drlateef and iamrealdeji
are slaves/personal assistants to the Former Governor El-Rufai. I sent my own P. A. Lasisi to El-Rufai do deliver an Erand AND in anger, El-Rufai shot Lasisi to death.
Question
1. According to your sharia based on this law of Retribution, who amongst you (apart from Vanessa as she is Female) should be killed?

2. Why should you volunteer yourself

I'm sure that legalwolf will never volunteer himself. He'll be the first to revolt against Allah's laws. He would never allow his head to be hacked off for a murder everyone knows he never committed. He'll cry against the injustice and tell the authorities to go after the murderer.

And that's the truth. Why should legalwolf die for El-rufai's murders just because he is his slave? Ehn, TenQ, Why should you ask legalwolf this type of question? Ehn?

TenQ:
Thanks so much for this angle: to personalise the question. Of course you see that non have attempted to answer the question as it doesn't make any sense.

How can the Almighty Allah himself descend so low as to give a law that an Ignorant person in law would not make!

It is shameful and they know it!

Yeah, they're avoiding to attempt the question. Rather than tackle it, lukuluku69 is attempting to juxtapose it with Christ's teachings to his disciples to shun violence, making it look as though Jesus gave that instruction as a law for nations to follow. Legalwolf on the other hand is trying to screw things up further wanting it to look as if the situation is the same as the death of Christ for mankind. While Christ willingly gave up Himself to pay the ultimate price for the sins of mankind which was the singular purpose of the Virgin birth - to take away the sins of the world by becoming the propitiation for the sins of everyone who signs up to be washed with the stainless blood of Christ.

None has attempted the question, and that has always been their stock in trade. They'll leave the question and try to attack Christianity instead without saying anything meaningful in the defence of their god. They should understand that attacking the Bible or Christianity does not absolve Allah of his failures. They should defend their Allah without dragging Christianity into it.

Antichristian has created many threads attacking the Bible and Christiendom, in every case, I and fellow Christians clarify issues without dragging Mohammed or Islam into it. Muslims should man up and truthfully defend their god. Or is it only with the sword that they can defend Allah?

TenQ:
Of course, whatever is build on a cracked foundation must eventually crumble.

Let us apply these laws.
1. If I as a Free Muslim man killed your slave, Allah require that I should present my slave for execution.

2. If I as a Free Muslim man killed your slave, Allah require that I should present my Female slave for execution.


Can you explain this Qur'an?
Why are you dodging the questions?

Questions :
1. What is the Equity if my innocent slave would be killed because I killed the slave of my neighbour?
2. Why is it that as a Muslim I can get away with murder if the person I killed is NOT a Muslim?
3. Why is equity in gender of execution important to Allah?
4. What is the Wisdom with respect to murder in Allah's Law of Retribution

I think it's better you put them in the slave position for them to have the direct view of Allah's justice system.

Assuming Antichristian, Legalwolf, Lukuluku69, Venessa7, Drlateef or iamrealdeji have a master who kills another man's slave, how will they feel when they're sentenced to die innocently for their masters crime? The master who committed the murder walks free and continues enjoying life while Antichristian, Legalwolf, Lukuluku69, Venessa7, Drlateef and iamrealdej are hung on the gallows. I guess they'll gladly go and die while shouting Allah Akbar.

If I were their master, I'll gladly go on a slave killing spree knowing fully well that Antichristian, Legalwolf, Lukuluku69, Venessa7, Drlateef and iamrealdej are the ones who'll die for my crime.

In another line of thought, I have also wanted to know how the murdered slave would get justice if his killer has no slave that may die innocently for his crime.

Didijiji:
Thanks for sharing

Just curious how your bros knew the name of the miss Paris something

Same way I’m curious how David Obiyeomi knew about bottled schnapp

You're welcome bro.

I think Ibiyomie was once a strong member of some white garment church before He saw the light and left the gathering.

As for my brother, he was a street guy in his younger years before he gave his life to Christ. I learnt he once dated a white garment prophetess during those times of his waywardness before he met the Lord. He probably got to know a few things through her.

I myself don't know what that Miss Parish of a thing is. But since he called it some sort of fragrance, I'm suspecting it could be incense.

I remember passing through a celestial church sometimes ago and saw a few of their members carrying white candles tied to broomsticks and going round the church building while holding up the candle-broom combination. This is so weird. Honestly, it isn't scriptural. What place does Miss Parish and brooms have in scripture?

Didijiji:
Bro please UPLOAD

My Catholic/White garment story is 200% true...... I witnessed it as a child.

Eph 2: 20 confirms that Jesus Christ is our corner stone. My church prays in that name 200% all the time. No one is preaching another gospel bro. I have been to several churches ...Pentecostal. Some of us have gifts that take us to those churches even close to the pastors. At the point we are using those gifts and service is going on well, we are not demonic. We are only demonic when it suits the pastors, especially when they want to sound woke.

Its good you said SOME...

Some here is a human factor and not a denominational thing as portrayed by your pastors. Pa Adeboye went to commission a white garment church some years back... What do you have to say about that?

Bro, I do not have the time to respond to this post now. But let me upload the chats as you requested.

The matter happened July 5, 2022. You'll see that July 5 is printed on the chats. Today is July 4. If I upload it tomorrow, everyone would think they're freshly created because July 5 is tomorrow's date, and the year is not quoted in the chats. I need to upload it today July 4 to avoid unnecessary confusion leading to claims of falsification.

I'll respond to you comprehensively when I have the time.

Didijiji:
Your kind of ignorance is what people like Daddy Freeze feast on . 😂😂😂😂

So they poured the lady white garment water and energized the demon? God have mercy!!!

On the contrary, I have and know of an incidence in a compound where a Catholic woman was screaming and manifesting at night. Real life story

A C&S woman got into her house, brought out water, sprayed on the woman and her room and immediately there was sanity and quietness. That incidence never repeated itself.

What would you say happened?

Do you want me to openly upload the chats so everyone can validate the story?

Your Catholic woman white garment water story may either be true or false. I have never said that all white garment churches are satanic. I always say some, and I differentiated the 'some' by highlighting their practices. They burn incense, make sacrifices by riversides, burn candles and bath in rivers. There are other things they do that I may not be aware of. I didn't even know white garment churches also use bottled water until that incident that my brother narrated which is further confirmed by your Catholic woman incident. I don't know if that white garment woman comes from a pure white garment background but I must let you know that a juju priest could have achieved the same result as the woman's bottled water. A lower demon must obey one with higher rank. That statement made by the demon in my narration "You're even giving me what I cherish' speaks volumes.

Believe you me, if you turn around and reposition yourselves as New Testament believers, doing it exactly the way Jesus and the apostles did it, you'll have more results than you're commanding now. For instance, by praying for someone just over the phone in the name of Jesus, you can command deliverance and power. No need to bath in any river.

Kindly explain the following scriptures to me since you seem to be adamant in continuing your weird practices.

Ephesians 2:20

"Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself."

1Cor. 3:11-13

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is."

Galatians 1:8-9

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

otipoju:
Yes oo.. the incense were for decoration. They held in their hands with no intention to burn. Now if incense are demonic why would God even allow it in his precense.

So incense represents the prayers of the saints...but they are demonic. Can you show me one single bible verse that sailys incense are demonic.

Baba choose where you want to belong..no dey use your mouth talk two things at the same time.

I am not shocked that you have said nothing about all those Celestial Hymns that I quoted.

I am sure you are surprised and shocked that you actually know nothing about these guys.

If you live Lagos. Send me DM. I go follow you talk and guide you through our practices.

I am in Nigeria for this week.

Please kindly get me right. I'm talking about the particular use of incense in white garment churches and the occult when I said incense is demonic. The practice is the focus here because God is not in it. Hence, demons are sure to take over.

Can you tell me why John who wrote the book of revelation never burnt incense himself? Why he never passed it on to his proteges? We were commanded to pray only. We were never commanded as Christians to burn incense. We pray, and angels offer up our prayers as incense to God. Prayer is in itself spiritual incense. God is a Spirit. He wants spiritual incense. Not physical incense. The physical incense of the old testament is symbolic of the spiritual incense of the new which is prayer. God is a Spirit, He would no longer accept physical incense because by the power of the Holy Ghost, we're able to offer up spiritual incense unto God. The old testament was a testament of physical dealings with God. In the dispensation of the new testament, our dealings are spiritual.

We're commanded to pray without ceasing. Let's do that, and leave angels to do what they're commanded to do. God does not need our physical Incense. He got tired of that already and replaced that with spiritual incense which is prayer.

I don't need to comment on your hymns. In the book of Revelations, Christ addressed some Churches as Synagogues of Satan. Do you think they inserted Satan worship or demonic phrases into their hyms? Satanic churches wouldn't tell you they are. I have someone who told me he was invited somewhere to pray for wealth. They opened a portion of scripture and poured salt on it to pray. His spirit told him it's money ritual. He rejected it. All his friends who participated in the prayers became extremely rich. However, they all died mysteriously one after the other about the space of 10yrs. He's currently the only one standing even though poor. You can see the deception.. They opened Bible and salt, and yet , they wete conjuring demons. I can't be deceived by hymns or energetic preaching. Is it commanded? Is it in line with the gospel of Christ? Do we have a new testament example? If the practice cannot stand the tests, it opens the doors for deminine activities. Please I never said the place he was invited to is a white garments church. He didn't even tell me whether it was a church or not.

My younger brother was praying for a lady who happened to visit his house. He isn't a pastor but he had to pray when the woman started manifesting insanity in his house. As he prayed, the demon was talking out and cursing. He had a tough time with the demon, but every time he issued a commands in the name of Jesus, the demon responded with fear and submission. The matter started from the parlour and eventually took them outside in the neighborhood. He kept praying. Neighbors gathered, and some were praying too. You know, everyone knew he's not a pastor, so everyone was contributing what he knows to do. I wasn't there, he was the one who narrated the events to me. Let me shock you. He said while they were outside battling the demon, a neighbor who attends a white garment church rushed inside and brought water from a bottle. Before he could say jack, the man had emptied some of the water in the bottle on the lady"s head and muttered something in prayers. He said immediately the water touched the lady, the demon giggled and said 'You're even giving me what I cherish". According to my brother, the lady turned extremely violent from that moment on. The demon became extremely stubborn, and whenever he shouted the name of Jesus, it was as if he was talking to the air. He said he was later on inspired to stretch his hands towards the sky and ask God to baptize his hands with fire. He did that, and laid those hands on the lady. After some brief moments of time, the demon left and the lady regained her composure.

Now, my stand concerning your practices is not based on this event narrated above. I have always had this stand based on my knowledge of scriptures in relation to your practices. So, both my brother and I were not surprised at the turn of events when the white garment guy poured that water on the lady. He has never experienced such before, so, he quickly chatted me up to narrate his new experience. This incident happened last year. I still have the chats. So I can easily screenshot them and show them to you. You can verify the dates to be sure my narration isn't a fabrication.

Bro, kindly seek God for truth concerning these matters. There are times when one can be sincerely wrong, and yet continue fervently with zeal in doing the wrong things ignorantly.

If you request the chats, I'll fetch them out for you. I'm actually in Ibadan, I'm not based in Lagos.

May God help us in Jesus name.

Didijiji:
Good response

seems you attend white garment also.

@FxMasterz,

why not save yourself all the vague explanations by showing us a bible verse where Jesus condemned the use of Candle and Incense in prayers. In plain words please! Or you are part of the "my pastor told me" crew

You're not getting it. Jesus condemned all those things in His body when He went to the cross. He abolished the Aaronic priesthood by making their practices old in order to give way to the new. We're in the new testament. Jesus Christ is our High Priest. We're not followers of Moses. We're Christians. We're not to be subjected to the rules of Judahism. Our High Priest has given us an example to follow. We follow His example. We are not Moses' disciples.

otipoju:
So incense are not demonic again.

John was shown a vision of heaven long after Jesus Christ and this is what he saw...Angels burning incense, the Redeemed of God clothed in white.

Beautiful to see...except to you burning incense is demonic.

I dey reply you today because I no get better things to do right now

Incense are demonic. I never said they're not. I have personal experiences to confirm this. The spirits that are conjured are not the spirit of God. In my last post, I opined that when you do things that God isn't involved in, you'll certainly come in contact with demons. The occult also practice these things to deceive people. Satan is a master of his game. I'm sure you're doing this ignorantly. Please ask God to reveal the truth to you.

Bro, when John saw the angels holding incense (note that they did not burn incense, they held the bowls Contanining it), the Bible immediately told us what the Incense represents - the prayers of the saints. Let's see it together:

Revelation 5:8

"And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

The language of Revelation is symbolic. The incense represents the prayers of the saints. The saints themselves didn't need the incense. They didn't burn anything. They only needed to pray, and angels offer up the prayers as incense to God. How sweet an aroma our prayers are to our God. The angels offer up our prayers as a sweet smelling aromatic incense to God. Let us do what we're commanded and let angels do what they're authorized to do.

otipoju:
So you think that those who use candles to pray to Jesus Christ don't know what they are doing.
Of course to you they are not just unbiblical, they are demonic as well.

Well, If God Almighty commanded incense to be burnt when offering prayers to him and to keep the burning of lights perpetually in worship to him..who are you or mortal man to be saying that these acts are demonic, outdated or not direct commands to those who do these things found in the Bible?

People have pointed out your narrow mindedness,hypocrisy ignorance to you so I won't bother repeating it to you.

God himself must be demonic for issuing these commands or "allow" Angels to burn incense before him....what a demonic God that we serve.

I will just advice you to go and humble yourself and go learn about God...it's clear that you don't know much about him.

Exodus 30:7-8

7 “Aaron must burn fragrant incense on the altar every morning when he tends the lamps.
8 He must burn incense again when he lights the lamps at twilight so incense will burn regularly before the LORD for the generations to come

Revelation 8:3-4

3 Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne.[i][/i]
4 The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand.

Luke 1:9-10

9 he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense.
10 And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside.

My brother, only people who don't know the word of God call my views narrow mindedness. Many who are well groomed in sound doctrines commended my views.

You're practicing the commandment given to Aaron when the Aaronic priesthood has been abolished? Is Aaron your high priest or Christ? Jesus Christ is our High Priest. We're not followers of Moses or Aaron. We're not the children of Israel. We're the church of Christ. Not the church in the wilderness.

Aaron was a Shadow of Christ. All the practices of the old testament foreshadows the spiritual practices of the new.

I have told you this before, let me tell you more plainly.

In the old testament, candles symbolize the Holy Spirit. They didn't have Him back then because He was not yet sent. They use candles to represent Him according to God's command. In the new testament, the Holy Spirit has come. We do not need the shadow which is the candle anymore. We have the real body - The Holy Ghost. We're the church. We're not followers of Moses. God has moved on from the Aaronic priesthood, its laws and its commandments. The Old has given way to the new. The old is no longer needed. Paul explained these things explicitly in His Epistles, and most especially in the book of Hebrews.

Incense represents payers. What they had them in the Old Testament was incense. In the new, we have Spirit-enabled prayers, which is the real incense. The shadow has been taken away. The real body is prayer. It gives a sweet smelling savour to God. That's why the disciples never burnt candles.

It wasn't any mortal man who abolished those practices but God Himself. He made one covenant old, and then replaced it with the new. If both old and new are to be used concurrently, the the old is no longer old. Old Testament rules have expired. They've completed their purposes. That's why there's clear difference between the practices of the church and that of the followers of Moses.

The moment you pick up practices that are not sanctioned by God, you'll be introduced to demons. We're the church please. We're not the children of Israel who worshipped God in the physical. We worship God in the Spirit because God is actually spirit and He has always sought men who'll worship Him in spirit and truth (John 4:24).

Hiploko:
why do you avoid water, handkerchief and oil in your questions? Is it because Pentecostals use them?

It's because the church uses them. It's a new testament practice. New testament practices are of the church. Old testament practices are of Israel. Israel is not the church:

Handkerchief:

"God gave Paul the power to perform unusual miracles. When handkerchiefs or aprons that had merely touched his skin were placed on sick people, they were healed of their diseases, and evil spirits were expelled." (Acts 19:12)

Oil:
"They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them." (Mark 6:13)

"Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord.
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And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven." (James 5:14-15)

In short, we use them because they're examples from the church of Christ, not from Judahism. Israel practices Judahism, the church practices Christianity being followers of Christ.

There are chalartans these days in the Pentecostal circles. They sell special anointing oils, holy water, handkerchiefs, etc. They're fake messangers of Christ. They're not true disciples. We do not recognize them as Pentecostals.

Would you now answer my question? What can rivers, incense, candles and all those weird stuffs you use do for you that the name of Jesus cannot do?

otipoju:
Empty barrel makes the most noise.

And can you tell me the noise I made in asking a simple question which you've been unable to answer for so many days? What can rivers, candies, incense, etc that you use do for you that the name of Jesus cannot do? If you cannot answer the question, wouldn't it be wise of you to keep quiet?

BiiDii:
Guy you are the most gullible fellow I've ever seen online, so you believe this, your type are the reason pastor/motivational speakers are crashing out steadily.

Why not then tell me the truth if he lied? He wouldn't be the first to tell me this. I've heard it before, I didn't believe it because I was not very clear about it. Now that he brought clarity to the narration, I have every reason to believe him. If you have any diverging opinion, then, tell us your own side of the story. Calling me 'gullible' from now till eternity wouldn't change anything!

Baolak:
You have explained nothing with your predictable, shallow minded robotic response!...

If you're still saying this after we explained the biblical context of the verses he quoted for him, then I don't know what else. We don't do things just because they're done in the Bible, otherwise we should also justify you if you start killing rams and goats to make sacrifices (this was also done in the Bible, you know?).

😂😂 😂
Your hypocrisy is top notch but am not surprised though.... So you finally agree our mode of worship is biblical. However, According to you and 'and your kind' we should disperse something's in the bible just because you 'think' its old school , and not 'modern'... Even though our lord Jesus never condemned or advocated such? Like seriously? Who do una this thing?

God is a dispensational God.
The old testament dispensation has passed and we're now in the new.

God done become two categories now; Old God and New God innit? Lol just LOOOL 😂😂😂


If those things white garment churches practice were not practiced by Jesus, His disciples, the church fathers and the whole generation of Christians for 2,000yrs before white garment churches were ever formed, what makes such things relevant now? There's no room for such weird practices in this New testament dispensation. That's why I asked, what does bathing in a river do for you, that the name of Jesus cannot do? He couldn't answer that, maybe you can help him.


HE ( OTIPOJU ) ANSWERED YOU SEVERALLY , EVEN WITH GLARING BIBLICAL VERSES, BUT YOU ARE SO SHALLOW MINDED TO DISCERN!
I won't stoop so low to your level dragging back and forth.
Don't you know you're fetish?


Looks fetish to you, however i am enjoying the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the holy spirit way more than you and your 'kinds' with my 'FETISH WAYS'.
Na you they speak shibaraba... Na me they enjoy Jesus Christ spiritually and physically, WHAT AN IRONY!

What are you angry about? Can you please tell me why Jesus, the apostles and the church of Christ never practice your occuituc mode of prayers? You burn candles, bath in rivers and make sacrifices and night, burning incense and the other weird things you do which are clearly unbiblical. Your friends never explained any biblical context of the Bible events. They only pointed that those things happened in the Bible, and I explained the Biblical context of the references. Do yiu really mean that a woman's menses drained Jesus of power? Laughable!! Of course, you don't know Jesus!

There's no need to drag issues with you. Just answer the question: What can rivers, candles, incense, etc do for you that the name of Jesus cannot do? Why avoiding the question?

Baolak:
Seriously?!

Why are you people so daft? The man took His precious time to explain some white garment doctrines with evidences in the bible which you initially claimed where unbiblicall, yet you had the audacity to still be twisting events?
Unfortunately the more you do the more you sound like a programmed customer care robbot.

If you're still saying this after we explained the biblical context of the verses he quoted for him, then I don't know what else. We don't do things just because they're done in the Bible, otherwise we should also justify you if you start killing rams and goats to make sacrifices (this was also done in the Bible, you know?). God is a dispensational God. The old testament dispensation has passed and we're now in the new. If those things white garment churches practice were not practiced by Jesus, His disciples, the church fathers and the whole generation of Christians for 2,000yrs before white garment churches were ever formed, what makes such things relevant now? There's no room for such weird practices in this New testament dispensation. That's why I asked, what does bathing in a river do for you, that the name of Jesus cannot do? He couldn't answer that, maybe you can help him.

Don't you know you're fetish?

TenQ:
I've not heard specifically of the phrase sunnah lies. However, it seems up to 80% of all hadiths are either outright fabrications or untrustworthy.

The Qur'an itself is based on lies eg. Jesus did not dies
The Sunnah is full of lies eg. Jibril is Angel Gabriel, Mohammeds journey to the seven heavens etc

They tell lies that Mohammed is the Best of humans worthy of emulation. The Qur'an has not been changed, Scientific Miracles of the Qur'an
etc

Thanks bro. I'll research further into it. Just that information about Islam is so concealed that you wouldn't be able to get the truth except you're deeply in the religion.

TenQ:
Just see as all of them decided to feign deaf and dumb. The Truth remains constant wherever you take it.

The problem of Islam is LIES right from the root. They tell lies to themselves just as they tell other kinds of lies to others.

All these is from there religious literatures : its a shame only Mohammed can fabricate new revelation from Jibril.

Is there anything they call Sunnah lies? I'm aware of Taqqiya lies. I learnt that Sunnah lies are lies told to make Allah look bigger. It has reward's for the Muslim. I just need some clarifications.

TenQ:
Just as the wall of Jericho fell, the wall of imprisonment of Islam will collapse in NIGERIA in JESUS mighty name.

People love Lies and Deception both for themselves and others!

Amen

temi1290:
I was expecting this stupid excuse, the adults around are always spiritually blind, mtweeew. "3 years old", "if only they could talk", where in this picture did you claim to be praying for anyone? We're definitely not talking about the same thing.

You probably mentioned the wrong person.

If adults don't do things to keep their eyes open because of their wickedness, children who are pure would see what adults don't see.

temi1290:
So there were adult who could talk but the spirit decided to use small kids that can't, the spirit should be blamed for the guys death.

When adults are spiritually blind, how can they see?

But, can't you see that the boy had the vision while we were praying for him? Or do you mean a 6yr old cannot talk?

Smiling.

thaoriginator:
Two wrongs don't make a right

Nawa for mathematics o. Mathematics say negative times negative na positive.

Proofs that cannot be denied.

God1000:
Too bad, unfortunately such people are hardly punished in Nigeria by the government, so the government is complicit in these senseless killings

You will not hear such thing in Saudi Arabia which is the headquarters of Islam, some of our people in the north have misinterpreted their religion

I'm not sure if there's any place in the Qur'an that encourages such barbarism.

There is bro. They're just obeying their lord's command.

AntiChristian:
See bigot, as if some of the pastors don't do same as the acclaimed babalawo alfa!

But Jesus didn't even bear such name in Israel during his time alive. "Jesus" is the name given to to you by someone we don't know!

Scam video! What if we play video of ruqyah for you! You'll say the same!



The Plain truth is that Jesus can't save himself! He said it himself "He can of himself do nothing! So na borrowed power he get! Just like all other Prophets!

The only true way of life is Islam! The religion of 'Eesa son of Mary, Moses and other Prophets!

Some of the pastors do the same, and we call them out for being false pastors. The issue between Ibiyomie and white garment churches is a case in reference.

Jesus came to lay down His life. He said it before He went to the cross. He told His disciples how it happened. He laid it down and took it up again. He appeared after His death to His disciples. Paul saw him too. He also appeared to John on the island of Patmos where He wrote the book of revelation.

He has appeared to many people afterwards. Jesus is alive. Those NDE people have seen Jesus too. Several of them. Keep calling everything a lie. Go out and verify the lies. If you don't, you'll be full of regrets when you die. There's no Allah or Mohammed beyond the grave.

AntiChristian:
Which did you answer you liar!

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Everything has been answered above,or do you want to be spoon-fed?

I'll repeat in summary: God made the laws before giving them the land. They had a covenant with God, and knew the consequences for breaking the laws.

It is just for God to punish them the same way He has punished those who He used them to dislodge for the same sins. A just God.

He gave them rules. Entered into a covenant with them, then gave them the land on the basis of that agreement. They have every reason to obey the law or bear the consequences. The Jews themselves cannot complain. Do you want to complain on their behalves?

For a full reading of my responses to all these, scroll up, read slowly and digest.

AntiChristian:
Abeg pity yourself! If you die as a Christian too na Hell you dey go too without coming out for eternity!

All these tales by moonlight wey you dey use deceive the gullible! Babalawo dey do this too! Herbalist dey do these too! Does that mean they are divine? More so, Muslims do ruqyah to heal too!



When Jesus died who did he meet? Himself or his father? Lol! Allah is not present physically in this world! And Muhammad is in the Afterlife! So we need not meet
False theory!
The life of the afterlife is another world on its own!

Yes, Satan has powers. Babalawo does his own miracles too. Some of your alfas do work for people. All of them depend on some demonized elements of nature to make things happen.

The difference is that we depend on the name of Jesus alone. Just in Jesus name. That's all.

I felt like taking a video coverage of the lady yesterday, honestly. But a second thought that it would be a violation of her rights and personal dignity, I couldn't do that. Otherwise, I would have posted it here live. Another thing is that even if you're there live, you'll still say it's staged, so no need.

I would do my best to tell you the truth that matters to your soul as long as I live and opportune to be here on Nairaland. It doesn't matter whether you believe or not. What matters is that you heard it, or at least read it. You can decide your own fate You wouldn't have a single excuse when you meet Jesus. That's it.

kulex2k1:
Oh boy you daft sha o.
quote author=FxMasterz post=124066110]

You're right. You'll see that they didn't even tell us where the said pressure came from. Which pressure?

Upthrust is the only pressure in water. Upthrust cannot implode objects because it causes the displacement of the water above the object.

You're the one who's daft.

pquaver:
Again i ask you if u know about upthrust for floatation, that is a good start.. So u know an upward force act on an object whichis partially submerged in water/fluid.. Then put on ur thinking cap and dont fall my hand.. What do u think will happen on the surface of the same object when if is fully submerged in a fluid, then what happens as the depth increases? It good u did a little reading but do some more.. I am not talking to you anymore, it was an advice.. Your comment betrayed the emptiness in the area of basic physics..

When there's an upthrust, water above the submerged object is displaced to give way to the object and allow it to float. Water above an object does not mount pressure on the object. Otherwise divers would burst and animals living on the seabed would be crushed by the weight of the pressure, but the reverse is the case. Even the Titanic ship that has been on the seabed for more than 100yrs didn't scatter as a result of pressure from above it.

Objects become lighter as a result of upthrust because water from below supports the object while water above is displaced to allow the floating of that object. There's no way pressure can scatter an object in water. Even a plastic ball at the bottom of the sea would simply float. It won't implode.

Hehehehe.

I just pity atheist like lordreed, maynmaynmayn, hopefullandlord, jaephoenix etc. and all those deceived islamists like antichristian, lukuluku69, legalwolf and the likes.

Yesterday, I was praying for a lady who was being attacked by yeye osun. She's in fact a member of the cult. After all medical treatments failed, she called upon me to come and pray for her. It seems they've told her in the coven that her time has come. I'm not sure though because she didn't give me details of what was going on in their camp. She only confessed her membership of the cult I too didn't bother to ask because she was forcing herself to talk. Her voice was weak. She couldn't walk too. She's been lying down on the bed for the past 4 days. As we were praying, she was hearing voices telling her, "Be deceiving yourself. You cannot escape from us." Jesus delivered her o. She's up from the bed, though she's yet to regain her full stamina as at this morning. She's staggering and cannot stand without being supported but she's been freed. As she was manifesting during prayers yesterday, I was remembering these deceived Atheists who say there's no God, and I was really pitying them and those Muslims whose Mohammed never healed the sick but had the audacity to send them to kill human beings whose simple sicknesses he cannot heal.

When you die, you will meet Jesus. Just as all NDE have revealed. There's no Mohammed or Allah anywhere beyond the grave. There are overwhelming evidences for this assertion. I pity your souls. May God have mercy on you.