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Maynmann:
You lied, this is what you said “ There are many historical reports that Nero arrested Paul on the basis of the allegation of Christian arson.”
You also said paul died in AD67

Where in this screenshot was all these mentioned.

Theists can’t defend his religion and deities, resulted to lies, listen, chrestianity is a roman propaganda.

The only time paul was imprisoned was in AD 55.

When I said there are many historical reports that Nero executed Paul, did i say that my statement about many historical reports was contained in my screenshots? Was not the incident of Nero's execution of Paul not mentioned in the screenshot?

At this juncture, I'll start ignoring you. You love playing mind games during discussions and always pretend to be oblivious of the points being made.

Thank you for your time. I have it on record that you failed woefully to prove that:

1. Christiana were murderers and arsonists.

2. Christians set fire to Rome.

3. Christianity was a Roman invention.

I gave you enough time to prove yourself already. I'm done with you.

Sleep well.

Maynmann:
Chrestians were murderers, assassins, suetonius and tacitus mentioned it.

Evidence. Your screenshot says nothing.

Maynmann:
So where is The many historical reports that Nero arrested Paul on the basis of the allegation of Christian arson at AD 67?
Point it to me in this screenshot.

You see you're the one lying now?

Go and sleep if you cannot provide any evidence for your claims that Christians were murderers or that Christianity was invented by Rome.

I don't like it when arguments turn insincere.

You first said I didn't give you any screenshot regarding Nero's execution of Paul. I provided you to refute your claims. You're still calling me a liar without conscience. Well, I shouldn't expect much from an atheist. But if you can't prove your claims, don't disturb me unnecessarily. I have other things to do with my time.

Maynmann:
Saying “smiling” bwahahahaha

You didn’t drop any screenshot of nero arresting and beheading paul on the basis of arson, this will be in AD67 abi. Stop lying.

The only arrest of paul was when he was in jerusalem and he was freed after 2 years, he left rome by ship to where?
Let’s us ask jerome

Are you telling me you're seeing the screenshot below for the first time from me?

You see you're the one lying now?

Maynmann:
can you provide evidence that he died at 67. I hope it won’t be a typo again.

Provide evidence he was arrested and jailed after the fire and was killed in 67AD.

Smiling.

You're running away from proving your claims?

This isn't the first time we're discussing Nero's execution of Paul. Scroll up. You'll see the screenshots and links I posted to you to buttress my points.

You should do the same and prove your claims.

Maynmann:
can you provide evidence that he died at 67. I hope it won’t be a typo again.
The great fire was when again

After the fire. He was arrested and jailed until he was executed.

Maynmann:
A typo
This is the first time you are saying it is an error.

alot of religions that weren’t state religion were stump out.
And chrestians were murderers and assassins that burnt down rome.

Can you mention one of those historical reports that Nero arrested Paul on the basis of the allegation of Christian arson.


An anonymous writer wrote the First Epistle to Timothy sometime in the late first century or the early second century CE. The epistle represents an example of pseudepigrapha, which are falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed author is not the true author, or a work, whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past.

I have given you different screenshots and link previously about Nero's arrest of Paul. You can make further research.

Now, prove to me that an anonymous writer wrote the book of Timothy. Also prove to me that Christians were murderers and assassins. I would love to see strong evidences for your claims.

Maynmann:
I don’t “believe”, I know that Chrestainity is a Roman propaganda.

Yes and the details that Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation approves your claim.

AD 57 was a typo. I meant to write 67. I already told you it was an error.

The propaganda that Christianity is an invention of Rome is further established on the link you last posted. The very first paragraphs maintained that Roman emperors did not only attempt to stump out Christianity through persecutions, they even destroyed as many Christian monuments as they could so that no one would ever hear about Christ. Today, we rely only on the few documents that survived the destructions. All these happened before Constantine.

There are many historical reports that Nero arrested Paul on the basis of the allegation of Christian arson. The letters to Timothy had Paul informing Timothy about his impending execution shortly before he was beheaded.

Maynmann:
Quote articles against spain, I’m sure those article writers will have references.

“ In Tarragona (Barcelona) there is a monument to Paul, and the tradition that he preached there. Also, at the other extreme of Spain in the village of Ecija (Seville) there is a monument marking the place where Paul supposedly preached.
Paul is still the Patron Saint of Ecija and for years baptisms were donename of the Father, the Son and the Apostle Paul. One plausible route For Paul's visit would be to enter Spain at Tarragona (Tarraco), passing down the coast to Cadiz and then back through Sevilla, Ecija, Cordoba,, Mérida, Zaragoza and leaving again from the port of Ampuias (Emporias ) on the coast between Barcelona and the French border. It should be remembered that travel between Spain and Italy was a common occurrence and what happened in one country did not escape the notice of the other.
The evidence is strongly in favor of Paul having visited Spain. However that alone would not have been sufficient to evangelize Spain to the extent we
see at such an early date. There had to have been others that did the bulk of the the work. Who these were makes for interesting conjectures. Spain was very closely linked to Rome and maybe some of the converted Pretorium guards that were with Paul in Rome were sent to Spain where they testified to others.”
https://johnsonspain.tripod.com/id69.html

Link to the article.

Maynmann:
Why do you like cherry picking things that suits you?

There are “evidences” that he went to spain.

“early documents, such as the letter written by Clement of Rome to the church in Corinth in 69 A.D. indicate that Paul did in fact reach Spain.
In his letter, Clement states that "Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being thrown into jail seven times, compelled to flee, and stoned. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects."(5) The expression "extreme limit of the west" was commonly understood to be Hispania or what is now the kingdom of Spain.(6) Other independent witnesses are found in Cyril of Jerusalem who writes, " --one,
who from Jerusalem, and even unto Il1yricum, fully preached the Gospel, andinstructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching asfar as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing Signs andwonders"(7) Chrysostom also writes about Paul stating, "For after he had been
in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these'parts, we know not.".


You already said, Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation na

Let's leave that aside. There are many articles for and against the Paul in Spain position. You and I would quote articles to no end.

I'll return to the basis of this argument. Do you now believe that Christianity isn't a Romsm invention? All the details you're bringing out about Paul practically disprove your claims.

Maynmann:
Your link said paul was in spain.
You too read
https://johnsonspain.tripod.com/id69.html

You already said, Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation na

Why do you like distractions? Can't you focus on the current issue being discussed when you read an article?

Did I say there are no insinuations that Paul went to Spain? I mentioned that there are suggestions that he did but there's no evidence. That's where I actually started from. You shouldn't even look at distractions like this while ignoring the current matter being discussed.

Maynmann:
Where did Wikipedia say his death are unknown?

Are you reading your own link?

Paul has gone to spain now abi

I meant Britannica. Not Wikipedia. At least you knew what you read.

I never said Paul went to Spain. We're only currently concerned about how Paul died.

Maynmann:
Are you even reading your own links
Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation abi at the same time, paul death details are unknown

Bwahahahaha

Wikipedia said the detais are unknown even though we have the details. I just don't want to bother you with Christian history.

Read from the link below:

https://drivethruhistory.com/the-execution-of-paul/

Maynmann:
Saint paul was imprisoned by who?
When was he released?

If his details of death are UNKNOWN, how did you know he died by hanging?

Your bolded only talked about his arrest which was in what century?
What century did rome burn?
What century did paul die?

“It is known that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome and wrote several of his epistles (letters) during his captivity there."
What had this got to do with hanging, nero and paul death?”

If you know paul died by hanging from Nero, then which details again is UNKNOWN?

The screenshot plainly told you that Nero was responsible for persecution of Christians after a fire outbreak. If Paul was imprisoned at that time on the basis of the fire accusation, who killed Paul? Paul was actually beheaded by Nero around AD 57.

Read the following link and observe an excerpt from the Roman Historian Tacitus.
https://insight.org/resources/article-library/individual/historical-background-of-paul-s-final-imprisonment

Maynmann:
same one that said UNKNOWN?


Paul only spent 2/3 years in roman prison, it has no connection with Nero and he was released.

Who said unknown? The details of his death was unknown. Not the actual death, nor the actual existence of the personality called Paul. Why are you emphasising one word?

This is what Britannica said:

"The exact details of St. Paul’s death are unknown, but tradition holds that he was beheaded in Rome and thus died as a martyr for his faith. His death was perhaps part of the executions of Christians ordered by the Roman emperor Nero following the great fire in the city in 64 CE. It is known that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome and wrote several of his epistles (letters) during his captivity there."

Take note of the bolded.

Maynmann:
You have no evidence that paul was beheaded by King Nero.
Let's allow the matter to rest.

Smiling. That one is indisputable. I gave you evidence from both Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica.

Maynmann:
What has spain been a christian country got to do with anything for crying out loud?

Where is turkey reference of paul?

Smiling.

You have no evidence for your claims of Paul in Spain. Let's allow the matter to rest.

Maynmann:
Bring evidence that paul was an important person in history that will make countries to have his record.

Spain is a Christian country for crying out loud.

Paul is an important personality in christiendom. If Paul was in Spain, Spain would have references.

The Christian God exercises control over the nations and determines their fate. No other god can do that.

Maynmann:
Many ancient christian writers said it.
Don’t you like “writers and bloggers” as your sources of history again?



“Clement of Rome, a co-worker with Paul, who is mentioned in Philippians 4:3: “Yes, and I ask you, my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.” Apparently Clement, Paul’s co-laborer, became the Bishop of Rome (88-99) and is one of the earliest Apostolic Church Fathers (men who had personally known one of the Twelve Apostles or Paul) whose writings survive.

In Clement’s letter I Clement 5:5-7 (c. 70’s just c. 40 years after the Resurrection and c. 20 years after Paul wrote Romans) Bishop Clement writes:

“Because of jealousy and strife, Paul, by his example, pointed out the way to the prize for patient endurance. After he had been seven times in chains, had been driven into exile, had been stoned and had preached in the East and in the West, he won the genuine glory for his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world and having reached the farthest limits of the West. (‘to terma tes duseos’) Finally, when he had given his testimony before the rulers, he thus departed from the world and went to the holy place, having become an outstanding example of patient endurance.”

I said bring evidence from Spain. That's not too much to ask.

Maynmann:
Even Paul home country doesn’t have proof that paul a nobody existed 6000 years ago.

But you said Paul went to Spain. Is that not laughable?

MisterBanny:
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U no get work I swear. Fake people everywhere

Your church members already knew who you are. You've just shown me your personality today simply because I made a promise and I'm yet to deliver. Did I even tell you I'm sending you something today? Did I give you any definite promise?

You started trailing me with two monikers since then. Pleading with one and bashing me with the other. What sort of personality is that?

Please stop mentioning me. If you do, I'll ignore you.

Maynmann:
Where is his presence recognized by the “Turkish”?
Bloggers or writers don’t create history, they work on references, and those tourism site got theirs from Acts, they are not historians.

“All those cities mentioned on those sites have no biblical reference.” bwahhahahahah

Give us your own Spanish proof.

Bloggers and writers don't create history but they can make reference to history from anywhere as long as it is generally accepted to be true.

Give us your reference for Spain. The Turkish talk is just a distraction.

Maynmann:
How is naming a trail imposing a christian name on an islamic country?
Where is the evidence since na

We've have enough of this already. Paul's presence in Turkey is recognized by the Turkish. Whether they be bloggers or writers.

Give us the same quality of evidence for Spain.

Maynmann:
Kate clow is the “turkish” that have it in record that paul visited their country and therefore named the road after him

From your own link!

And Turkish are so gullible to swallow in the record of only one man?

Maynmann:
Who named it?
Show me where “turkish” have it in record and show me where “turkish” named it.

Stop lying, i never said the blogs were written by nom turkish.


“Two millenia later, Kate Clow and a band of hardy volunteers developed Turkey's second major long distance walking trail, between the ruins of the ancient cities of Perge and Antioch, and named it the St Paul Trail. While St Paul's exact route is unclear, this trail passes through the same wild country of rugged mountains, canyons, lakes and the ruins of ancient civilisations.“

A mere writer such as Kate Clow cannot just wake up and impose a Christian name on an islamic Country unopposed except there's too much evidence to justify the action.

Maynmann:
How many country history is written in English?

If you read the link. It was named after the road paul passed as seen in Acts.
“Perge”

Their references is from New Testament.

Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

If Paul didn't pass the place, they wouldn't name the road after a man they don't know. Whereever the reference came from, the Turkish have it in record that Paul visited their country and therefore named the road after him.

The reference to to the book of Acts is a means for attracting Christian tourists. As business people, that's what they're expected to do.

The fact that the road was named after Paul to mark out some of his routes in Turkey means the people are aware that Paul visited them, otherwise they would debunk the story in Acts as false. This is even more possible given the fact that the country is Islamic.

The blogs you claimed were written by non Turkish bloggers also defeats your assertion. Interestingly, one of the sites picked up the narration of Paul's trail, starting with the sentence - "In our country..." Our country here refers to Turkey. That's too much for non Turkish.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/toursaroundturkey.com/saint-paul-trail-in-turkey/

You'll even see a picture of the said trail in the screenshot below:

We don't need written history to verify Paul's visit to Spain. Give proofs for your claim.

Maynmann:
Who said anything about turkish history written in English?
I thought you said turkey does not speak English?



A blogger that is from turkey does not make his writings a “turkish records”. What are the sources of the blogger?


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

What I'm saying is that Turkey isn't an English speaking country. Their history isn't written in English. So, how do I read Turkish history?

Do you even know that there's a road in Turkey called St. Paul's Trail? The road is about 500km.

Follow the Wikipedia link below:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Paul_Trail#:~:text=The%20Saint%20Paul%20Trail%20is,Isparta%2C%20northeast%20of%20Lake%20E%C4%9Firdir

This verifiable evidence should do better than disputable history books.

Maynmann:
About 17% do.

Those sites are not owned by “turkish” but bloggers, and those bloggers are getting their reference from Acts.


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

So 17% of Turkish people who speak English would make Turkish history to be written in English?

You mean those sites that are completely dedicated to Turkish travels with services for tour guides around Turkey were written by people outside of Turkey?

Maynmann:
You said “turkey don’t speak English”.


Paul is a nobody..
Even his home country doesn’t have his records.


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

Yes. Does Turkey speak English? Did I say they don't write in any other language?

I have given you records according to Turkish sites. Those sites are owned by Turkish. Bring records for your claims.

Maynmann:
Why don’t they have it in other languages?
Only english speaking people do tourism in turkey?

I still have more.



Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

Did I ever say they wrote only in English?

Give us Spanish proofs of Paul's visit.

Maynmann:
Their references are from Acts.
Their details are gotten from acts, they are tracking and tracing the location according to what they read in acts, which other references did they put there?

But the tukeyeish site was in english, the history you saw in a turkeyeish site is gotten from New Testament.

The turkeyeish sites are in English because they're were put up to attract visitors for tourism. It would be foolish of them to right in their language.

All those cities mentioned on those sites have no biblical reference.