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Maynmann:
What verse were they created as men on earth.
What verse where they disembodied after destruction.
What did your god need angels for


The OP doesn’t understand what he is saying, both heaven and earth were made from the formless and void deep water.

The only person that made the earth formless and void again was your god in noah days.

This is completely contrary to the Bibles position.

The Bible didn't tell us much about the preadamic era. The focus of the Bible is the present Adamic era. There are only clues about the previous era which are pointed out in the OP.

MaxInDHouse:
Lie!

The only intelligent beings God purposed to be here are humans that's why he said:
"Have in subjection all the creatures on this planet" Genesis 1:27-28
So other intelligent beings came here on their own AGAINST GOD'S WILL!

It seems you don't understand the OP. Please read the post again.

Demons were men on earth before the earth became formless and void. Their iniquities made God destroy the earth and got them disembodied before God decided to renew the earth and create a new specie of human beings in Adam.

Maynmann:
Why did your god create angels and demons?, for what purpose?
And how did they exist before adam and eve.

God didn't create them as demons. He created them as men on earth. They became disembodied when they were destroyed. They're demons in their current state but that was not how they were created.

According to the OP, demons are men who inhabited the earth before it became formless and void.

Angels are created as messengers of God.

LegalWolf:
So how does the meaning of Samaritan according to them tie to Samaria?

We're not talking about meaning. Our attention is on the term.

By the way, if according to the Samaritans, the word Samaritan means keeper or observer of the Torah, don't you think it also exposes the lies?

There was no Torah at the time of the event painted in the Quran. Infact, Moses had just come from the mountain where he went to receive the tablets containing the 10 commandments which he immediately destroyed at the sight of the golden calf the people were worshipping. Hence the term 'Samaritan' was still not in existent.

We're concerned about the term. Where did Moses hear it from. The term didn't exist until the days of Omri.

Maynmann:
Earth and heaven were created at the same time, so where was satan and the fallen angels before heaven was created?

Their initial abode was heaven. I don't think they would have existed before heaven was created.

MaxInDHouse:
If God gave the earth to the sons of men where were the demons at the time God gave the earth to the sons of men?

They were on earth now. They've been disembodied. Fallen angels and Satan were also on earth but God gave the earth to the sons of men.

LegalWolf:
Hey FxMasterz,

Now it is for you to tell us between the English meaning and Samaritan meaning of 'Samaritan', which are we to choose.

Now over to you.

cc: FxMasterz

I'm ready to chose any of the meanings that suits you. Both meanings are acceptable for this argument.

LegalWolf:
Well, that’s the English meaning. What Samaritan means according to Hebrew is Observer of the Torah.

Okay, I'll agree.

Now what point are you making?

LegalWolf:
Uncle, what is the meaning of Samaritan. Short and simple - all these nonsense explanation is not important. You claimed I ran away from your mention, insinuating the superiority of your argument. Please frigging tell us the meaning of Samaritan, simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS: how can something so simple be this choking for you and the future thief TenQ

cc: sirtee15

See the dictionary meaning of the word in the screenshot below.

Now, over to you.

LegalWolf:
LOL - you over estimate yourself



This again is preposterous and stems for your lack of knowledge. Was the prophet (pbuh) referring to Samaritan as a people or the origin of their name? Let me bring an example close home. It is agreed that the name Yoruba is an exonym, given to southwestern folks by the Hausawa. Does that imply that the Yoruba's do not exist as a group before the Hausa gave that name?



What is the meaning of the term of the word Samaritan. That is the friggin question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



This typically ends the argument and resolves in it in our favour



Uncle, all these your shalaye is unnecessary. Tell us the meaning of the word Samaritan and that saves us this useless bullshit explanation



Please refer to the above.

And one thing comes to mind - it is just like saying that the early Israelites are 'people who are a native or citizen of the Kingdom of Israel' like the future thief TenQ would want us to have it. Is that a correct proposition to make, Mr FxMasterz

cc: future thief TenQ FxMaster sirtee15

I don't think you're getting the point of the argument. Or, perhaps, you're deliberately trying to derail the discussion.

Mohammed clearly indicated that Moses referred to someone in his entourage as a Samaritan. The word 'Samaritan' had not being coined in Moses' time. Where did Moses get the word from? The root for the word 'Samaritan' was coined by Omri who lived about 1,300yrs after Moses.

Maynmann:
There is ground in other planets.

Yes. But the attention here is on only one ground which is earth.

Maynmann:
Ground.

Yes now. That's what the OP said.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible there was no pre-adamic race on planet earth! Psalm 115:16

Psalm 115:16 says "The heavens belong to the Lord but the earth He has given to the sons of men."

Can you explain how that verse says there was no pre-adamic race?

MaxInDHouse:
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26

Please where were demons at that time?
Because demons are intelligent beings not animals living on instinct!


He is saying Adam and Eve weren't the first intelligent beings on planet earth so that's my major concern!

I don't understand what you're talking about. I don't think you understand the OP.

Techobeys:
I really don’t know if many of you are Christians but I know you don’t believe in God even if you’re Christians.

This is imagination and not true, you and your kinds go around with interest picking tables to confuse those do not understand the truth.

It’s sad that you’re believe this, I hope you find Christ someday.

But he backed it up with scriptures. Please tell us what you think to be the truth.

Maynmann:
this one thinks the “earth” in Genesis is talking about planet earth 😂

What was it talking about?

MaxInDHouse:
Demons are fallen angels!

The Bible said:

"in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Genesis 1:1

You can't quote the Bible against itself there were no intelligent beings on this planet before God created Adam and Eve in His image (intelligent beings) Genesis 1:26-28

So if you're presenting your fallacy leave the Bible out of it because it's clearly stated that the first intelligent beings ever on this planet were Adam and Eve!

Abeg quote the scriptures that says Adam and Eve were the first intelligent beings.

He didn't quote the Bible against itself. God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning according to the OP.

LordIsaac:
Why didn't the water in your postulation kill the demons since the motive was to destroy the pre-adamic beings?

Spirits can't die bro. Spirits are immortal.

The Word of God exposes their secret sins. They get angry as a result. Most people in the congregation usually assume someone has reported them to the pastor, not knowing that the pastor knows nothing. He's just saying the things put into his heart by the Holy Ghost.

delkuf:
Anytime I come to nl and see how ppl are slandering and say bad things about God and Christianity, I always thank God for those days God took me through the pain of teaching and grooming me. Though it wasn't easy then because I was naive and I knew little. It was like a mother controlling a child. Now I cherish those moments. I thank God that God helped me learn. So this is how I will be confuse like kobojunkies. If I could relish those days, I will be more patient and learn more. God thank you for the journey of grooming and teaching me to become who I am today.

There are even more confused people than kobojunkie on this forum. Some more confused ones who were once church-goers became Atheists. Thank God for you life. Except God Himself teaches a man, man can't learn God.

FxMasterz:
You're trying to dodge a fatal bullet. I can bring it closer so that you'll have no place to hide.

The time the term Samaritan came into existence is the most important part of this argument because that's the only thing that can validate or invalidate Mohammed's story.

It was Omri who coined the word 'Samaria' when he named a place after the previous owner of the place 'Shemer'. The Samaritans themselves agree that that Omri founded Samaria.

Now, let's agree that Samaritans existed before Omri but then, they were never referred to as Samaritans until that area became their abode. They started answering to the name Samaritan only after Omri called their land Samaria.

Let's agree that an ancestor of the Samaritans was with Moses when they were coming from Egypt. He would never have borne the name 'Samaritan' until the nation of Israel had been founded and a settlement called Samaria has been given to him.

How come Moses referred to a person as Samaritan even when Israel was yet to become a nation, let alone carving out a settlement called Samaria? This is even more problematic as the Samaritans themselves, according to their tradition confirmed that they're descended from northern Israel. There was no northern or southern Israel in Moses days.

Legalwolf. Come and respond.

TenQ:
Before you challenge him about the mix-up between Mary and Mariam, check out the arguments of the Muslim apologists on it. Their argument is what Muslims take as valid truths even if they are complete Lies and Fabrications

He would dispute with you while providing no source to back him up.
He would answer no questions while attempting to question responses you give to him

Such a dishonest individual who thinks that the truth is known by technicalities.

See how he changed the subject from Allah misapplying the Moses law of Retribution to the Samaritan!
He thinks this is wisdom!

It will be in the record that he failed in both the matter of Allah's faulty law and his illiterate claim of a Samaritan in Moses' entourage. Allah is an illiterate.

What's the Islamic point of view regarding the Mary sister of Aaron lies? All I know is that, no matter the point of view, there's no way they can successfully put Moses under Pilate or put Jesus in Egypt and the exodus.

TenQ:
I am asking you questions of the Samaritan version of their history you refused to answer.

Question :
Do you LegalWolf believe the Samaritan's version of their history?
If you do, the three of us will adopt it with evidence from their sources. And we'll confirm if their claim is true with respect to the other claims they made about themselves

Is this a fair deal?


The liar will say no!

As I said before bro. He knows the truth but loves the lies. He has refused to respond to my last mention. He knows the truth already. Someday, he may embrace the truth he is currently rejecting.

The next thing I'll like to hammer out with him is the Mary sister of Aaron problem. I want him to either put Moses and Aaron under Roman rule in Jerusalem where Pilate was governor or put Jesus in Egypt with Moses as the Israelites filed out of Egypt. Since Mary is the sister of Aaron, these two problems must be solved. Please make a thread about this if possible.

Keziehenry:
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They're not mermaids. Mermaids don't have legs as indicated in your story.

LegalWolf:
Why should I care what time they started calling themselves Samaritan is none of my business…
Remind what that has to do with the bone of contention ?


Cc: future thief TenQ sirtee15

You're trying to dodge a fatal bullet. I can bring it closer so that you'll have no place to hide.

The time the term Samaritan came into existence is the most important part of this argument because that's the only thing that can validate or invalidate Mohammed's story.

It was Omri who coined the word 'Samaria' when he named a place after the previous owner of the place 'Shemer'. The Samaritans themselves agree that that Omri founded Samaria.

Now, let's agree that Samaritans existed before Omri but then, they were never referred to as Samaritans until that area became their abode. They started answering to the name Samaritan only after Omri called their land Samaria.

Let's agree that an ancestor of the Samaritans was with Moses when they were coming from Egypt. He would never have borne the name 'Samaritan' until the nation of Israel had been founded and a settlement called Samaria has been given to him.

How come Moses referred to a person as Samaritan even when Israel was yet to become a nation, let alone carving out a settlement called Samaria? This is even more problematic as the Samaritans themselves, according to their tradition confirmed that they're descended from northern Israel. There was no northern or southern Israel in Moses days.

Image123:
LoLz, what a fallacy. So only those with your warped view on the theory are correct, while similar students, doctors and professors who don't agree with your views are apologists and misrepresenting it. Clown. You understood the theory while still a true Christian but today to you, Christians cannot understand the theory for themselves and still be Christians. Take your circus to schools all over the world where professing Christians are scoring As in evolution courses. Remove that head quickly from the butt, friend.

I like this uppercut.

LegalWolf:
Hey TenQ and FxMasterz

I posed a question that you two failed to answer. FxMasterz agrees with the Samaritan version of their history . In view of the fact that Samaritans claim their priesthood dates back to Aaron, the brother of Moses , how do you reconcile it with your position that they do not exist until time of Omri?

cc: Fxmasterz sirtee15 and our only future thief TenQ

Sirtee15 has already pointed the problem to you.

Let's agree that they have their history as far back as Aaron. The important question is:

At what point did they start calling themselves Samaritans?

Since the term is a location based term, is it possible for the Samaritans to call themselves Samaritans before Samaria was founded?

TenQ:
But they don't!

Samaritans trace their origin and history to Ephraim and Manasseh!

He wants to extend the history of the Samaritans to the time of Moses so that he can justify why the Samaritan man made the golden calf for the isrealites. Don't fall for it unless he can show a proof from the Samaritans themselves

Yes bro. I'm taking him step by step.

SIRTee15:
The big issue u dodging is did the Samaritans called themselves Samaritans during the times of Moses and Aaron.
Yes their history dates back to Moses and beyond that all the way to Abraham.
But when did they start calling themselves Samaritans.
That's the question we want u to answer.

Hahaha. You've given him the direction we're taking him to do soon. You should first allow him to admit that the Samaritans are a location based people. Not tribal.

LegalWolf:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!



You still fail to grasp a position that is clearly contradictory to your bible. What is my business with Samaria? I am talking about Samaritans , who are adherents of Samaritanism as a religion. The religion of samaritanism has no nexus with Samaria as a city... Do you understand it to that point?

Unless you can show that Omri was the first king of the Samaritan , then you have no point. Remember that you have acknowledged the Samaritans history of themselves that their history date back to Moses. So what exactly is your argument??

cc: FxMasterz and the future thief Tenq sirtee15

We're on the same page. We're talking about Samaritanism. The people who practiced the religion are known to belong to a certain location called Samaria. They're not practising the religion in space. Are they?

TenQ:
LegalWolf is a CONFIRMED big Liar!

He rejoices in Lies that is why he refuses to answer questions. Anytime he does answer questions, his lies are exposed

My brother, I would agree with him even to the extent that the Samaritans have a history of priesthood dating back to the time of Aaron as he said. He himself would shudder at the loopholes in his position.

LegalWolf:
Hey FxMasterz

Let’s clear this: the Question of the first King of Samaria is completely different from the King of Samaritans. Don’t confuse issues.

That Omri is the first king of Samaria is a statement that I’m unwilling to debate. But the first king of the Samaritans is a non-existent statement. And that’s why I said I don’t know and I don’t care to know because it does not exist!!!!

These folks never had a kingdom but priesthood all their history and according to them, their priesthood relates to the time of Aaron until today! I think I’ve given you reference for it, but would you learn?

Please go and call your teachers and let’s talk. Lol.

Cc: Future thief TenQ

Since you agree that Omri was their first king, then we can talk.

Omri was the one who founded Samaria. Before Omri, there was no such place called Samaria. As I said earlier, Samaria is the name of a place. The people who live in the place are called Samaritans the same way people who live in Lagos are called Lagosians. The term 'Lagosian' does not apply to any tribe. You're a Lagosian simply because you reside in Lagos. That's the situation with the Samaritans. The term does not apply to a tribe residents on a location. Shemer, who owned the mountain area which was bought by Omri, and whose name was used to describe the area as Samaria wasn't a biological progenitor of the people who live in the area. The same way the founder of Lagos isn't the father of Lagosians.

If you're in tune with the position above, then let's move to the next stage.