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AfonjaScud:
In both the old and new testament a, we had cases of people who birthed in rivers and 3xoerienced miracles, so how can that become unscriptural ?

Keep following the discourse bro. I explained the events scripturally on this thread.

Just read on.

AfonjaScud:
You are the one who stoops in ignorance.

I already proved him ignorant in a lengthy discussion. Now, prove me.

Gajagojo:
That is wrong
Greece never colonised Judaea.
Pontius Pilate was not Greek . Neither was Herod.
The Romans were in charge.
We are made to believe the New Testament or parts of it were written by Jesus' disciples. Where did they learn Greek? When?

The reason or reasons are not the same.
The people of Jesus time were already literate and spoke Aramaic

Jesus read in the Temple . There is no evidence he spoke Greek

Greece was the world power before Rome. The official language of the world was already Greek before Rome took over.

All the learned people of the time spoke Greek including the Roman warlords and proconsuls. Latin was never the official language of the Roman empire for a long time.

guysbewise:
Stop just believing any nonsense you are told and start researching and and asking questions then you will know this guy Jesus Christ your FAKE messiah was invented by the Roman Empire.
1. First question you should ask yourself is why did this your Jesus Christ come on the scene during the time of Roman occupation of Israel and he was pro-Roman empire.
2. Why did the Roman empire remove the Old Testament scrolls from the Temple in Jerusalem and hid in away in the the Kings chamber in Roman.
3. Why was the New Testament first written in Greek and not in Aramaic Jesus Christ own language or Hebrew when they has writers of the languages till today.

You can go on calling yourself a fool because you cannot research and ask question as all you do is just to believe what is FAKE.

The book of Daniel already prophesied the exact time He would appear on the scene, and the time He would leave including the events that would lead to His departure from earth. Everything happened exactly.

The Roman empire removed the Old testament scroll from the temple in an attempt to stump out Christianity. The new testament Bible had not been compiled at the time. They didn't only remove the Old Testament Bible, they destroyed every copy they found including all Christian books and literatures. They killed Christians throwing them into the Colosseum to fight lions for sports. They beheaded Paul, crucified Peter upside down and killed all the disciples of Jesus except John whom they banished to die on the island of Patmos when all attempts to kill him failed. For 300yrs, these persecutions continued until Constantine became emperor of Rome.

Yeah, the new testament waa written in Greek for the same reason all your communications here on Nairaland are written in English.

Gajagojo:
And you just open your mouth waah with no filter? You have no manners and no common sense

You've been unbridled in your tongue since insulting someone who might even be old enough to be your father, yet you see yourself as having manners and having Common Sense? SMH.

Gajagojo:
That is not an insult?

Your father cannot face me and say I am lying

I am.100% certain

Look here. I'm not a kid okay. My father is late. He died a very old man and I'm his firsrborn. I have been in this world long enough to have children who have left the university.

So, don't think you are dealing with some inexperienced youths who talk only on the basis of what they're told.

Gajagojo:
You are talking off point we are talking about Jesus and what happened when he was on earth

Is there a Hebrew word for church?

Why was the New Testament written in Greek?

Did Jesus or His disciples speak Greek?

The New Testament was written in Greek for the same reasons you and I are writing in English.

Gajagojo:
You are rude and mannerless
How many times have you said I was lying and then called me a hypocrite?scroll up and check

You clearly do not think you should be polite online

That is WHY I called you immature because you talk mannerlessly.

You are the provocateur

Scroll up and check

You need to learn some manners you just open your mouth and vomit without thinking

Yeah, I said you were lying because you did. You lied and that's very very clear.

I already explained your hypocrisy. I called a spade a spade.

You can get angry and keep up the insults for all I care. It doesn't change the fact that you lied and that you're an hypocrite.

Jungpablo:
So what about Catholic that burn candle

Are they not in the same category?

Please read the Bible for yourself. Seek the truth for yourself. Don't allow any man deceive you.

livebullet:
Look at this bloody skunk.
So the faking of miracles you guys do isn't bastardizing Christianity?
Where a pastor has informants who collect info about members and they use that info to tell you they know your problem and prophesy to you. Or where they organize arranged miracles?:..Ever asked your self why they won't allow independent scientific investigators prove their claim to miracles? In the Catholic Church, before we officially claim a miracle, a team of global medical scientists from any faith is called in to Investigate the authenticity.

Especially Nigerian churches...fake to the very GOs themselves.

Please go an read more about church history. You know nothing about the Reformation.
Don't let those your illiterate pastors who are not academic authorities in scriptures teach you.
They didn't study the Bible , they only read it.

Let me tell you something, the worst Catholic priest is more grounded in scriptures than your Daddy G.O's.

I can't stop laughing.

All is well.

Religion is a useless thing okay? Just find Jesus. Jesus is all that matters.

Farewell.

Gajagojo:
Well I could do the same and where would that leave us?

You are immature and lack common sense. You just open your mouth waah with no filter and no future planning

Can you see who's immature now?

Have I insulted you since we started? Are you not really an hypocrite? People use Google to verify information. Here on Nairaland, the examples are numerous. Yet when you're told to search Google you started giving irrelevant ezcuses. Are you not an hypocrite? Your insults don't mean anything to me. Keep them coming.

Buddha3:
A man who sees no use in plain logic, will always hide behind religion as a tool of defence, which in actuality, speaks of his weakness.

There's a fine reason I've based my entire exchange with you on realism and human logic. It's plenty obvious that bible you're carrying around is not informing but has been sadly turned into the basis upon which you're building your false illusions and sad delusions of heavenly grandeur.

With this mindset you're brandishing, na you go dey help devil fetch firewood for hell!

You'll keep saying this until you have an encounter with Jesus.

Farewell.

Buddha3:
Earlier, I made a case for Eckankar, yet I didn't see you label me an Eckist.

I made a case for the Celestial Church of Christ as well and I didn't see you accuse me of being a member of their fold.

Now I make a case for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and all of a sudden, I'm a liar and their ardent follower?

Bros, no offence, but you need to see a psychological therapist. Something isn't quite right in that cranium sitting on your neck.

I've not read your mention about Eckankar. I have a lot of mentions already, I'm just filing through them one by one.

Is Eckankar not part of the Rosicrucian orders? We're talking about Jesus here. Not Eck.

alabo1:
by the definition a cult Every Religion is also a cult. Please research and lets discuss further if you please

When I said cult I know what I meant. I don't mean a secret confraternity. I meant that they practice occultism.

Gajagojo:
Can we dispense with the childish name calling and deal with issues?
Can you evidence your claim?

This isn't name calling. It's simply calling a spade a spade.

Buddha3:
People like me.. ?

Lol.

Trust me baba, you have no idea whatsoever about "someone like me".

You argue in support of a good course. But you're going about it in all the wrongest ways possible. There's plenty of bile and self-righteousness in almost all your messages. And if this is how you disseminate God's word to your physical audience, then I fear for the future and soul of Christianity.

I am in no place to dictate to you what is good and what is evil. I hold no locus standi to speak ill of your faith or try convincing you otherwise. But the one advice I'll give you, as I have severally done from the beginning of our exchange, is to implore you to try and be open-minded. Be receptive to new knowledge. Williams Folorunsho Kumuyi and his flock of Deeper Life faithfuls did more than this in their hay days. We all know where the church is today.

Try to relax. The bible was not written in your father's sitting room.

You're the one who's close minded. You have not even quoted a single scripture since you started discussing with me. All my positions were all scripture backed with the deceivers knowing for sure they're in the wrong. Where is the self righteousness? Give me sound biblical basis for what you do if you think you're right. I'm open. Otherwise stop dribbling. Emotional blackmail and deceits won't work here.

Buddha3:
Again, your understanding has proven to be shallow.

I am not a member or ardent follower of the Latter Day Saints. I only had stints with them at some point in life.

Yet again, I am not making any case(s) for the origins of the church or their deep rooted doctrines. I'm barely pointing out their liberalism in relativity to the everyday life of our society and people.

Guy, you need to relax and see things beyond your very confined prism of knowledge. The world is big and what you think you know, is infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things. Open your mind to learning.

E go help you!

You're a liar. You're not a member and you're making a case for them as the only church following Christ. Hahaha. Lol. Listen to yourself!

Do you think I say things just fro saying sake. I have been a Christian for more that 35yrs. During that period before skipping into Atheism, I researched, attended many churches and denominations in my quest for the truth. I read books and know the origin of most of those denominations and religions. You're not dealing with a novice at all.

God Himself arrested me. Not man. I'm a Christian today because of my encounters with God.

If you think you know, just understand that you know nothing yet as you ought to know. Keep researching and keep learning, you would find.

Gajagojo:
I don't believe everything I see in Google

Is Google God?

You made the claim where is your evidence?

Hypocrite!

Workch:
So this is confirmation that you are incapable of proving your God outside of your head

And a confirmation that you're incapable of grasping the truth that you can only find God when you search for Him.

Buddha3:
I'll put this out here just this once.

Jesus Christ didn't go to the synagogue in Nazareth cause he considered it a place of worship. A synagogue is not just meant for worship, it is an assembly ground for the elders and a study place for the word. And the bible made it abundantly clear that he started frequenting the synagogue and temples at age 12, for the purpose of study. That he returned to the same Synagogue upon his return to Nazareth, was just a continuation of customary habits from a tender age, and a reverence point to his home.

The Lord walked the face of the earth, spreading God's word everywhere he could find a gathering of people and not for once did he ever do that in a synagogue or church. If he had roundly endorsed the idea of situating a church, he had the means, resources and manpower to have set up more than one.

To be candid, the only religious sect that is currently replicating the lifestyle of Christ in terms of the gospel preaching and show of love, is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Their missionaries tour the earth, spreading the word and bearing goodwill and gifts.

It is unpalatable how you've relentlessly struggled to misconstrue the bible through the lengths of the various arguments you've had here.

Your attempt to discredit scriptures is flawed.

You're asking me whether Christ' attended churches when we both know that Christianity didn't start until Christ died and resurrected. Yet, I gave an example of how Christ attended what we could call church in His days. It doesn't matter what they do there. Whether they opened Bible or did Bible study, all are acts of worshipping God.

The Disciples of Christ started many churches especially Paul. If anyone is attending any church today, there are sound and numerous Biblical supports for that.

Even the Lord Jesus wrote to 7 churches in the book of Revelation fully supporting the establishment of churches but chastising demonic practices in some Churches as we see here today. I'm sure that people like you would be in the church of Sardis, Laodecia, Pergamos and the rest, who would have strongly rejected and opposed the letters of John to them as seen in the book of Revelation. While Christ condemned some Churches for their weird practices, He had praises for those who upheld the truth and maintained biblical standards:

Revelation 2:2
"To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of Him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut."

Gajagojo:
what evidence do you have that Ifa priest said they are evil? Or that kings and chiefs said so ?can you name one such location today?
Or a place that once was an evil forest?

Please Google it.

Buddha3:
I'll put this out here just this once.

Jesus Christ didn't go to the synagogue in Nazareth cause he considered it a place of worship. A synagogue is not just meant for worship, it is an assembly ground for the elders and a study place for the word. And the bible made it abundantly clear that he started frequenting the synagogue and temples at age 12, for the purpose of study. That he returned to the same Synagogue upon his return to Nazareth, was just a continuation of customary habits from a tender age, and a reverence point to his home.

The Lord walked the face of the earth, spreading God's word everywhere he could find a gathering of people and not for once did he ever do that in a synagogue or church. If he had roundly endorsed the idea of situating a church, he had the means, resources and manpower to have set up more than one.

To be candid, the only religious sect that is currently replicating the lifestyle of Christ in terms of the gospel preaching and show of love, is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Their missionaries tour the earth, spreading the word and bearing goodwill and gifts.

It is unpalatable how you've relentlessly struggled to misconstrue the bible through the lengths of the various arguments you've had here.

Joseph Smith the founder of Latter Days Saint himself has such a filthy record that you can't count him worthy of followership.

Yọu don't even follow Jesus! You have your own occultic book called the book of Mormons with total neglect for the Bible. Are you guys even Christians?

masseratti:
i know of cele, and cele does not light color candle, only white, plus they don't drink alcohol. You funny calling catholics idol worshippers.. I rest my case with u.. Oga true Christian.

It's better you rest your case and make further research.

Catholics worship the Queen of Heaven as Mary do you know that? Just Google Queen of Heaven, you'll understand what I'm saying.

Gajagojo:
. Can you ener the Vatican anyhow? Does that make it evil? Can you enter a mosque anyhow

Restricted does not mean forbidden, forbidden does not mean evil

Even in the old testament there was something called Ark of God . People were killed by Yahweh when it was violated

There were initiates called Levites

It was evil not because of how you enter but because the ifa priests, kings and chiefs said they are. People die mysteriously in those forests if the go in stubbornly. Those forests were dreaded. Stop telling lies. You know these things.

Gajagojo:
synagogue is church?


No it is not

Men cover their heads in synagogues

Uncovering head is European custom,like one wife and eating pork.
Many of you follow what you have never studied

Everything you know is what you heard like Muslims.




Jesus was not a Greek ,did not speak Greek neither did his disciples most of whom were illiterate
Yet the New Testament was written in Greek.

Have you ever asked why?

Look, I'm a self developed Christian with a personal encounter with God. I'm well grounded in scriptures and never swayed by the lies of any man of God out there.

First, you don't even understand what a church is. You think a building is a church? Lol.

A church 'Ecklesia' is not a building but a collection of people who worship God. It could take place in any building. They may cover heads and they may not. They may dance and they may not. They may be Yorubas, Greeks, Igbos, Hausas or what have you? It changes nothing.

masseratti:
how can burning of candles be demonic? Have you not been to a catholic church before? And see candle on the altar. The use of candles by white garment church is to signify God has light over darkness which is believe to be evil. Candle was the basic source of light on the old days, which early Christians and Jess used to worship, Jesus Christ himself was a Jew he must have burned candles while he worship in the Synagogue.

They use candles to pray. Each colour has its own use. You don't understand. And who told you that Catholics who worship idols are true Christians?

Gajagojo:
Nothing Evil. About Igbo Irunmole stop talking Nonsense

Igbo Ibi is evil forest and there is nothing like that in Yoruba traditions


Yahweh was just one of the several deities the Hebrews worshipped.They were not a monotheist people. You better research his history.

Clearly you are brainwashed

Lies. There were forbidden forests even in Yorubaland. Igbo irunmole waa forbidden, you can't enter there anyhow except you're an initiate. Stop telling lies.

The Hebrews were monotheists. Sometimes they deviated and served the gods of other nations. For that they were severally punished.

Workch:
I'm not an atheist.
Just prove that your God exist and convert everyone else he exist only in your head

I was never sent to convert anybody. We were never given such assignment. You're an atheist or you think I don't know you?

Buddha3:
No vex abeg, outside Nazareth where he grew, is there any other mention in the bible where Jesus walked into and partook of service in any other synagogue?

And after that one incident, was there mention of any other repeat occurrence?

There's a reason I'm asking these questions. Make you no vex come change am for me..

If there was no several occurrence before and after that incident, what does it mean when the scriptures said He went to church as His custom was?

Buddha3:
No vex abeg, outside Nazareth where he grew, is there any other mention in the bible where Jesus walked into and partook of service in any other synagogue?

And after that one incident, was there mention of any other repeat occurrence?

There's a reason I'm asking these questions. Make you no vex come change am for me..

Yeah, He entered the temple in Jerusalem. There He flogged those merchants and said "God has said My house shall be called the house of prayer for all people...'

Gajagojo:
synagogueis church?


No it is not

Men cover their heads in synagogues

A church is a gathering of God's people - the saints. It could be in a temple, synagogue, chapel, house, or anywhere.

Workch:
I know the bijle better than most Christians exepct from some of your pastors who use it to defraud you.

Trust me

Ignorant rant.