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Maynmann:
Your first link was quoting acts in New Testament, your second link said nothing, your third link was quoting acts in New Testament, your fourth link said nothing.

Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

They only made reference to Acts. They didn't quite from there. There's a map of Paul's detailed travels within Turkey. The Bible has no such details. Every detail about Paula travel in Turkey you would ever see is extra-biblical.

Turkey doesn't speak English. Their historical records is not readable to me. The details from those sites are taken from Turkeyeish history, not the Bible.

These proofs are irrefutable.

Maynmann:
What is the reference of the Turkeyiesh site?

Is toursaroundturkey.com a historian?
Where did the site get the information?

Show me turkish record of paul visiting turkey.

I am going to refer you to several turkeyeish links:

1. All About Turkey.Com

https://www.allaboutturkey.com/tour-religious-paul_footsteps.html

2. Zicasso.com https://www.zicasso.com/i/turkey/footsteps-apostle-paul-pilgrimage-tour-across-turkey

3. Ertunga Ecir

https://ertungaecir.com/blog/biblical-tours-in-turkey/

4. Karyonglim
https://www.karyonglim.com/blog/following-the-footsteps-of-apostle-paul-in-turkey

Maynmann:
Show me the turkish claim, not a claim from the New Testament.

The claim I gave you is from a Turkeyiesh site. Not from the New Testament. It details Paul's journey from town to town around Turkey.

Is toursaroundturkey.com a New Testament site?

Maynmann:
Can you show me the records of turkish claim when paul visited.

The screenshot below was taken from Tiours Around Turkey - toursaroundturkey.com

Maynmann:
When paul visited spain, how many were “christians”?

Your New Testament that contains paul and its feat, when was it complied and started been in use?

All places visited by the Disciples of Christ have records of their visits, including such places as Turkey which is no longer Christian.

Maynmann:
Who is Paul that “spanish” will have records of him?
A President?
Where did “spanish” claim paul came to spain?
Can you show me the “spanish” record of Everyone that lived in rome 6000 years old.

Who is clement to paul, if not clement and early Christians who will know the true location of paul, you prefer “tradition”, then answer, when was Paul imprisoned, when was rome burnt? When was paul killed by nero



“ Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386), an Early Church theologian in Jerusalem, passes on the belief that Paul went to Spain: “…(Paul), who from Jerusalem, and even unto Illyricum, fully preached the Gospel, and instructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching as far as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing signs and wonders.” Catecheses, Lecture 17.26

Chrysostom, (347-407), Archbishop of Constantinople, apparently one of the most talented preachers in all of Christian history records: “For after he (Paul) had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not.” Second Timothy, Homily 10”

Smiling. The majority of Spain today is Christian. If Paul visited Spain, there'll be records.

Maynmann:
Give me the exact date your jewish savior was born.


“Many other ancient Christian writers asserted Paul went to Spain. Jerome ( 342-460), the ascetic-in-his-golden-years scholar who translated the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 4 Gospels in the New Testament from Hebrew and Greek into Latin and is credited as the author of the Roman Catholic Vulgate Bible, stated: “St. Paul having been in Spain, went from one ocean to another.” Amos, cap.5

Whether Paul fulfilled his dream of evangelizing the East AND the West as far as Spain is tradition with positive evidence from the quotes of many authors through the centuries. This writer says, yes, Paul did go to Spain for several years after his first Roman imprisonment in c. 60-62.”
https://earlychurchhistory.org/beliefs-2/st-paul-went-to-spain/

The exact date of Christ's birth is a distractive question. I won't answer that.

Give us records of the Spanish claims of Paul's visit. We won't take it from historians copying themselves to spread the same idea.

Are you saying we should believe modern historians who were not there than ancient historians who were most probably alive during the incident?

Maynmann:
I said “christians” never existed during time, it Was chrestians that burnt down rome and killed nero.

Now, let's hear from history. Who burnt Rome? Who killed Nero? See screenshots below:

Maynmann:
So many evidences said so. Who is clement to paul?
Don’t you think Clement’s evidence is most persuasive?

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386), an Early Church theologian in Jerusalem, passes on the belief that Paul went to Spain: “…(Paul), who from Jerusalem, and even unto Illyricum, fully preached the Gospel, and instructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching as far as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing signs and wonders.” Catecheses, Lecture 17.26

Chrysostom, (347-407), Archbishop of Constantinople, apparently one of the most talented preachers in all of Christian history records: “For after he (Paul) had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not.” Second Timothy, Homily 10

Now, tell me the exact date Paul went to Spain. The cities he visited and the records of the Spanish about his visitation.

Maynmann:
They called them chrestians.
Why is “chrestian” a derogatory name, they are murderers that is why, they burnt rome.

Give verifiable reference of the Christians caught red handed burning Rome. Or the evidence of murders committed by them. Nero put up that accusation as an excuse for persecution.

Meanwhile you said they never existed during Nero's time. What changed?

Maynmann:
The fire of rome was when?
Where in the imprisonment was nero mentioned or great fire?



Writing in about 96 CE (1 Clement), Clement of Rome, who ought to have been aware if Paul was martyred in Rome just a few decades earlier, seems to have believed that Paul continued on to Spain and died there:

1 Clement 5:5–6: By reason of jealousy and strife Paul by his example pointed out the prize of patient endurance. After that he had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned, had preached in the East and in the West, he won the noble renown which was the reward of his faith, having taught righteousness unto the whole world and having reached the farthest bounds of the West [Spain; and when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance.

Interestingly, Paul mentioned in his new restaurant letters that he would visit Spain. However, there's no indication that he was able to fulfil that desire before he was arrested.

Spain has no record of Paul's visit. Why should we believe Clement?

Maynmann:
What century was he in Rome?
Who imprisoned him?
Quote references where it was “known”.
where in the New Testament did Paul called himself a “Christian”.

The disciples never called themselves Christians. The unbelievers did. It was a derogatory name first used against Paul and his group in Antioch.

Maynmann:
What century was he in Rome?
Who imprisoned him?
Quote references where it was “known”.

Paul was taken to Rome in AD 57.

I'm avoiding Christian reference even though it is logical to assume that Christians would have the most detailed history about Paul.

The first screenshot below is taken from Journals.com.

You can follow the link below:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/474256%23:~:text%3DPaul%2520was%2520arrested%2520in%2520Jerusalem,lived%2520the%2520procurator%252C%2520for%2520imprisonment.&ved=2ahUKEwiP6vThtM3_AhULfMAKHQbMCBsQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw3PWrL7whgX73TCyKZAlUvA

Maynmann:
So how did you know the century when he was killed.
How he died? Why he died? , if the details are UNKNOWN.

Of course someone from 6000 years ago should be dead, that’s common sense .

“But tradition” holds” bwahahahah
The same way “tradition” holds moses wrote Torah

Did you see the part that was not taken from tradition?

Maynmann:
There was no “christian” during Nero Time.
Where in history are they quoting?
Quote the references from brittanica.

It is the details of his death that are unknown, not the death itself. See screenshot below:

https://www.britannica.com/question/How-did-St-Paul-the-Apostle-die#:~:text=Paul's%20death%20are%20unknown%2C%20but,the%20city%20in%2064%20CE.

Maynmann:
Are they not quoting According to “tradition”.

Quote history na

There was no “christian” during Nero time.

Paul was beheaded according to tradition.

Take note of the sentence regarding the possible period of his martyrdom. Britannica says "Perhaps it happened in CE 64 when Christians were being severely persecuted." That's not according to tradition. That's history.

Maynmann:
Yes, “tradition”, quote history bro, oops, they are “unknown”

The screenshot there is from Britannica.

Maynmann:
Roman Catholic is the origin or Christianity.
All the books in the New Testament was complied, edited and arranged by them, look up early church fathers.

There was no “christian” that was persecuted before constastine.
Constantine created the foundation of the christianity you have now especially your “trinity”

How come Nero who existed long before Constantine persecuted Christians in 64 CE according to Britannica?

Maynmann:
He alleged “Chrestians”, chrestians are murderers and assassins.
And nero didn’t even do the allegations, eye witnesses and historians said it was chrestians.

which century was paul in Rome?
What century was he beheaded?
Any references?

See screenshot below:

Maynmann:
Roman Catholic is the origin of Christianity before great schism and further secession.

Your Iesus chrestus is a Roman Propaganda.

Roman Cathilosim is a hijacking and corruption of the original Christian faith.

The Christian faith stared in Jerusalem. The Christians were severely persecuted before Rome during the time of Constantine decided to adopt it as state religion. Constantine met Christianity. Christianity was not created by him.

Maynmann:
There was no “christian” during Nero time but chrestians, bring your historical reference for it.

The AD and BC you are shouting is a gregorian idea, do you think they had AD/BC during antony and octavian time?

Look at what made it uncommon in Roman History.

There were. Tradition has it that when he set fire to Rome, he falsely alleged the Christians and started a fierce persecution against them

Paul was beheaded by Nero during his second trial at Nero's judgement seat.

Maynmann:
Why is constatine mother a saint in Christianity?
Saint helena bwahahaha

Even Constantine himself could be a saint in Roman Catholicism. It doesn't change anything.

Maynmann:
A christian devising a calendar for his state religion doesn’t make characters in his books real.

A fictional character cannot be used for determining such important things as dates. If anyone would intentionally deceive the whole world, such an individual wouldn't deceive himself.

Freedom2023:
Pls I didn't send anybody to troll you. so I don't know the Monicker there who has been speaking for me. I need your help and am aware u don't owe me anything. Help is all I seek for. for God's sake

If you weren't the same person, how come you were able to swiftly refute my claim when I didn't mention you specifically. How were you able to travel the conversation from that thread to this thread? How?

Maynmann:
The notation was used by the romans not the world.
And not to forget Chrestianity was a state religion in Rome, it is common sense for them to devise a new one once in a while, the julian calender also replaced lunisolar calender, all these calenders are for ROME AND ROMANS.
Some romans even till now don’t use it.
China doesn’t use gregorian calender hence there’s nothing like AD/BC.
Even ethiopia doesn’t use the Gregorian calendar created in ROME for ROMANS.

We know it was created in Rome. And we know that a great part of our world currently uses the notation.

LordReed:
You claimed it was changed here:



Yes just Wednesday means Odin is real, Thursday means Thor is real, Friday means Freya is real and Saturday means Saturn is real. I am sure you agree all these gods are real.

I never claimed it was changed. I clearly stated that it was an alternative used by non Christians. An alternative to an original does not imply the change of the original.

Ordin, Freya or Saturn are not dates but days choose by pagans to honour their gods.

When we talk of AD or BC, we talk of particular dates which have a begining and end.

Maynmann:
There was no “christian” during Nero time but chrestians, bring your historical reference for it.

The AD and BC you are shouting is a gregorian idea, do you think they had AD/BC during antony and octavian time?

Look at what made it uncommon in Roman History.

The BC/AD notation wasn't in use even during the time of Christ let alone Octavia who was born 66yrs before Christ.

It's reasonable to say that a notation in use before the Advent of AD and BC was eventually abandoned. The AD and BC are still prominently in use today. Common Era is just and alternative use for Christian Era by non christians.

MisterBanny:
All these arguments are Baseless. You may read the Bible and quote from Genesis to Revelation but know that He who cannot help the orphan in time of distress is no Christian. Your pastor didn't tell u that he who giveth to the orphan lendeth to God? You self acclaimed christians should continue giving deaf ears to the plight of your brothers. You're one of the reasons that guy said christians are wicked. You asked someone to drop his account number only to keep him waiting

I'm sure both your Monica and the one that dropped the account number are the one and selfsame person. Why are you bent on forcing me? Don't I have right to do things according to my own plans and schedules? Please stop trolling me okay.

Maynmann:
And common era are used for connotations of what?

Why didn't you answer the question? What's my concern about connotations?

Maynmann:
😂

Why did you cut off the part of the screenshot that says even Common Era refers to the date Christ was born?

Maynmann:
Yes, Chrestians killed nero.
A new era was ushered in by mark anthony and octavian.

Which history and date of birth? Mention it and let’s trace it together.
Outside of New Testament, where is Iesus chrestus mentioned?
Please mention just ONE of the historical records and biography.

Christians killed Nero? That's a distortion. Bring out your historical reference.

The said New Era that was usheed in by Antony and Octavian has nothing to do with the year 1. What is the distinctive feature that makes the Era new? Moreso, we're not talking about a new era. A new era is not necessarily common.