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Maynmann:
Your link said paul was in spain.
You too read
https://johnsonspain.tripod.com/id69.html

You already said, Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation na

Why do you like distractions? Can't you focus on the current issue being discussed when you read an article?

Did I say there are no insinuations that Paul went to Spain? I mentioned that there are suggestions that he did but there's no evidence. That's where I actually started from. You shouldn't even look at distractions like this while ignoring the current matter being discussed.

Maynmann:
Where did Wikipedia say his death are unknown?

Are you reading your own link?

Paul has gone to spain now abi

I meant Britannica. Not Wikipedia. At least you knew what you read.

I never said Paul went to Spain. We're only currently concerned about how Paul died.

Maynmann:
Are you even reading your own links
Paul died in AD 57 on the basis of fire accusation abi at the same time, paul death details are unknown

Bwahahahaha

Wikipedia said the detais are unknown even though we have the details. I just don't want to bother you with Christian history.

Read from the link below:

https://drivethruhistory.com/the-execution-of-paul/

Maynmann:
Saint paul was imprisoned by who?
When was he released?

If his details of death are UNKNOWN, how did you know he died by hanging?

Your bolded only talked about his arrest which was in what century?
What century did rome burn?
What century did paul die?

“It is known that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome and wrote several of his epistles (letters) during his captivity there."
What had this got to do with hanging, nero and paul death?”

If you know paul died by hanging from Nero, then which details again is UNKNOWN?

The screenshot plainly told you that Nero was responsible for persecution of Christians after a fire outbreak. If Paul was imprisoned at that time on the basis of the fire accusation, who killed Paul? Paul was actually beheaded by Nero around AD 57.

Read the following link and observe an excerpt from the Roman Historian Tacitus.
https://insight.org/resources/article-library/individual/historical-background-of-paul-s-final-imprisonment

Maynmann:
same one that said UNKNOWN?


Paul only spent 2/3 years in roman prison, it has no connection with Nero and he was released.

Who said unknown? The details of his death was unknown. Not the actual death, nor the actual existence of the personality called Paul. Why are you emphasising one word?

This is what Britannica said:

"The exact details of St. Paul’s death are unknown, but tradition holds that he was beheaded in Rome and thus died as a martyr for his faith. His death was perhaps part of the executions of Christians ordered by the Roman emperor Nero following the great fire in the city in 64 CE. It is known that St. Paul was imprisoned in Rome and wrote several of his epistles (letters) during his captivity there."

Take note of the bolded.

Maynmann:
You have no evidence that paul was beheaded by King Nero.
Let's allow the matter to rest.

Smiling. That one is indisputable. I gave you evidence from both Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica.

Maynmann:
What has spain been a christian country got to do with anything for crying out loud?

Where is turkey reference of paul?

Smiling.

You have no evidence for your claims of Paul in Spain. Let's allow the matter to rest.

Maynmann:
Bring evidence that paul was an important person in history that will make countries to have his record.

Spain is a Christian country for crying out loud.

Paul is an important personality in christiendom. If Paul was in Spain, Spain would have references.

The Christian God exercises control over the nations and determines their fate. No other god can do that.

Maynmann:
Many ancient christian writers said it.
Don’t you like “writers and bloggers” as your sources of history again?



“Clement of Rome, a co-worker with Paul, who is mentioned in Philippians 4:3: “Yes, and I ask you, my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.” Apparently Clement, Paul’s co-laborer, became the Bishop of Rome (88-99) and is one of the earliest Apostolic Church Fathers (men who had personally known one of the Twelve Apostles or Paul) whose writings survive.

In Clement’s letter I Clement 5:5-7 (c. 70’s just c. 40 years after the Resurrection and c. 20 years after Paul wrote Romans) Bishop Clement writes:

“Because of jealousy and strife, Paul, by his example, pointed out the way to the prize for patient endurance. After he had been seven times in chains, had been driven into exile, had been stoned and had preached in the East and in the West, he won the genuine glory for his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world and having reached the farthest limits of the West. (‘to terma tes duseos’) Finally, when he had given his testimony before the rulers, he thus departed from the world and went to the holy place, having become an outstanding example of patient endurance.”

I said bring evidence from Spain. That's not too much to ask.

Maynmann:
Even Paul home country doesn’t have proof that paul a nobody existed 6000 years ago.

But you said Paul went to Spain. Is that not laughable?

MisterBanny:
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U no get work I swear. Fake people everywhere

Your church members already knew who you are. You've just shown me your personality today simply because I made a promise and I'm yet to deliver. Did I even tell you I'm sending you something today? Did I give you any definite promise?

You started trailing me with two monikers since then. Pleading with one and bashing me with the other. What sort of personality is that?

Please stop mentioning me. If you do, I'll ignore you.

Maynmann:
Where is his presence recognized by the “Turkish”?
Bloggers or writers don’t create history, they work on references, and those tourism site got theirs from Acts, they are not historians.

“All those cities mentioned on those sites have no biblical reference.” bwahhahahahah

Give us your own Spanish proof.

Bloggers and writers don't create history but they can make reference to history from anywhere as long as it is generally accepted to be true.

Give us your reference for Spain. The Turkish talk is just a distraction.

Maynmann:
How is naming a trail imposing a christian name on an islamic country?
Where is the evidence since na

We've have enough of this already. Paul's presence in Turkey is recognized by the Turkish. Whether they be bloggers or writers.

Give us the same quality of evidence for Spain.

Maynmann:
Kate clow is the “turkish” that have it in record that paul visited their country and therefore named the road after him

From your own link!

And Turkish are so gullible to swallow in the record of only one man?

Maynmann:
Who named it?
Show me where “turkish” have it in record and show me where “turkish” named it.

Stop lying, i never said the blogs were written by nom turkish.


“Two millenia later, Kate Clow and a band of hardy volunteers developed Turkey's second major long distance walking trail, between the ruins of the ancient cities of Perge and Antioch, and named it the St Paul Trail. While St Paul's exact route is unclear, this trail passes through the same wild country of rugged mountains, canyons, lakes and the ruins of ancient civilisations.“

A mere writer such as Kate Clow cannot just wake up and impose a Christian name on an islamic Country unopposed except there's too much evidence to justify the action.

Maynmann:
How many country history is written in English?

If you read the link. It was named after the road paul passed as seen in Acts.
“Perge”

Their references is from New Testament.

Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

If Paul didn't pass the place, they wouldn't name the road after a man they don't know. Whereever the reference came from, the Turkish have it in record that Paul visited their country and therefore named the road after him.

The reference to to the book of Acts is a means for attracting Christian tourists. As business people, that's what they're expected to do.

The fact that the road was named after Paul to mark out some of his routes in Turkey means the people are aware that Paul visited them, otherwise they would debunk the story in Acts as false. This is even more possible given the fact that the country is Islamic.

The blogs you claimed were written by non Turkish bloggers also defeats your assertion. Interestingly, one of the sites picked up the narration of Paul's trail, starting with the sentence - "In our country..." Our country here refers to Turkey. That's too much for non Turkish.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/toursaroundturkey.com/saint-paul-trail-in-turkey/

You'll even see a picture of the said trail in the screenshot below:

We don't need written history to verify Paul's visit to Spain. Give proofs for your claim.

Maynmann:
Who said anything about turkish history written in English?
I thought you said turkey does not speak English?



A blogger that is from turkey does not make his writings a “turkish records”. What are the sources of the blogger?


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

What I'm saying is that Turkey isn't an English speaking country. Their history isn't written in English. So, how do I read Turkish history?

Do you even know that there's a road in Turkey called St. Paul's Trail? The road is about 500km.

Follow the Wikipedia link below:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Paul_Trail#:~:text=The%20Saint%20Paul%20Trail%20is,Isparta%2C%20northeast%20of%20Lake%20E%C4%9Firdir

This verifiable evidence should do better than disputable history books.

Maynmann:
About 17% do.

Those sites are not owned by “turkish” but bloggers, and those bloggers are getting their reference from Acts.


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

So 17% of Turkish people who speak English would make Turkish history to be written in English?

You mean those sites that are completely dedicated to Turkish travels with services for tour guides around Turkey were written by people outside of Turkey?

Maynmann:
You said “turkey don’t speak English”.


Paul is a nobody..
Even his home country doesn’t have his records.


Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

Yes. Does Turkey speak English? Did I say they don't write in any other language?

I have given you records according to Turkish sites. Those sites are owned by Turkish. Bring records for your claims.

Maynmann:
Why don’t they have it in other languages?
Only english speaking people do tourism in turkey?

I still have more.



Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

Did I ever say they wrote only in English?

Give us Spanish proofs of Paul's visit.

Maynmann:
Their references are from Acts.
Their details are gotten from acts, they are tracking and tracing the location according to what they read in acts, which other references did they put there?

But the tukeyeish site was in english, the history you saw in a turkeyeish site is gotten from New Testament.

The turkeyeish sites are in English because they're were put up to attract visitors for tourism. It would be foolish of them to right in their language.

All those cities mentioned on those sites have no biblical reference.

Maynmann:
Your first link was quoting acts in New Testament, your second link said nothing, your third link was quoting acts in New Testament, your fourth link said nothing.

Quote turkish history/record of paul visiting turkey na

They only made reference to Acts. They didn't quite from there. There's a map of Paul's detailed travels within Turkey. The Bible has no such details. Every detail about Paula travel in Turkey you would ever see is extra-biblical.

Turkey doesn't speak English. Their historical records is not readable to me. The details from those sites are taken from Turkeyeish history, not the Bible.

These proofs are irrefutable.

Maynmann:
What is the reference of the Turkeyiesh site?

Is toursaroundturkey.com a historian?
Where did the site get the information?

Show me turkish record of paul visiting turkey.

I am going to refer you to several turkeyeish links:

1. All About Turkey.Com

https://www.allaboutturkey.com/tour-religious-paul_footsteps.html

2. Zicasso.com https://www.zicasso.com/i/turkey/footsteps-apostle-paul-pilgrimage-tour-across-turkey

3. Ertunga Ecir

https://ertungaecir.com/blog/biblical-tours-in-turkey/

4. Karyonglim
https://www.karyonglim.com/blog/following-the-footsteps-of-apostle-paul-in-turkey

Maynmann:
Show me the turkish claim, not a claim from the New Testament.

The claim I gave you is from a Turkeyiesh site. Not from the New Testament. It details Paul's journey from town to town around Turkey.

Is toursaroundturkey.com a New Testament site?

Maynmann:
Can you show me the records of turkish claim when paul visited.

The screenshot below was taken from Tiours Around Turkey - toursaroundturkey.com

Maynmann:
When paul visited spain, how many were “christians”?

Your New Testament that contains paul and its feat, when was it complied and started been in use?

All places visited by the Disciples of Christ have records of their visits, including such places as Turkey which is no longer Christian.

Maynmann:
Who is Paul that “spanish” will have records of him?
A President?
Where did “spanish” claim paul came to spain?
Can you show me the “spanish” record of Everyone that lived in rome 6000 years old.

Who is clement to paul, if not clement and early Christians who will know the true location of paul, you prefer “tradition”, then answer, when was Paul imprisoned, when was rome burnt? When was paul killed by nero



“ Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386), an Early Church theologian in Jerusalem, passes on the belief that Paul went to Spain: “…(Paul), who from Jerusalem, and even unto Illyricum, fully preached the Gospel, and instructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching as far as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing signs and wonders.” Catecheses, Lecture 17.26

Chrysostom, (347-407), Archbishop of Constantinople, apparently one of the most talented preachers in all of Christian history records: “For after he (Paul) had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not.” Second Timothy, Homily 10”

Smiling. The majority of Spain today is Christian. If Paul visited Spain, there'll be records.

Maynmann:
Give me the exact date your jewish savior was born.


“Many other ancient Christian writers asserted Paul went to Spain. Jerome ( 342-460), the ascetic-in-his-golden-years scholar who translated the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 4 Gospels in the New Testament from Hebrew and Greek into Latin and is credited as the author of the Roman Catholic Vulgate Bible, stated: “St. Paul having been in Spain, went from one ocean to another.” Amos, cap.5

Whether Paul fulfilled his dream of evangelizing the East AND the West as far as Spain is tradition with positive evidence from the quotes of many authors through the centuries. This writer says, yes, Paul did go to Spain for several years after his first Roman imprisonment in c. 60-62.”
https://earlychurchhistory.org/beliefs-2/st-paul-went-to-spain/

The exact date of Christ's birth is a distractive question. I won't answer that.

Give us records of the Spanish claims of Paul's visit. We won't take it from historians copying themselves to spread the same idea.

Are you saying we should believe modern historians who were not there than ancient historians who were most probably alive during the incident?

Maynmann:
I said “christians” never existed during time, it Was chrestians that burnt down rome and killed nero.

Now, let's hear from history. Who burnt Rome? Who killed Nero? See screenshots below:

Maynmann:
So many evidences said so. Who is clement to paul?
Don’t you think Clement’s evidence is most persuasive?

Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 315-386), an Early Church theologian in Jerusalem, passes on the belief that Paul went to Spain: “…(Paul), who from Jerusalem, and even unto Illyricum, fully preached the Gospel, and instructed even imperial Rome, and carried the earnestness of his preaching as far as Spain, undergoing conflicts innumerable, and performing signs and wonders.” Catecheses, Lecture 17.26

Chrysostom, (347-407), Archbishop of Constantinople, apparently one of the most talented preachers in all of Christian history records: “For after he (Paul) had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not.” Second Timothy, Homily 10

Now, tell me the exact date Paul went to Spain. The cities he visited and the records of the Spanish about his visitation.