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baralatie:
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Let them deal with the mad man.

This is the sweetest news today.

Next is the opening of southern boarders.

Maynmann:
Only pastors who owns a church can perform miracles, got you.

We're talking about a pastors place of influence where you can go meet him. I've explained how pastors could operate outside the church. All I've said is to explain to you what I meant by 'place of influence'.

Just as the doctor who does not own a hospital can operate where he's given authority to operate. A pastor would perform miracles where he's given authority to operate as well, whether he owns the place or not. Church or no church.

Maynmann:
The job of a doctor is not to own an hospital.

An owner of anything has influence on his property, thats common sense.
What has this got to do with the discussions?

Are we talking about the job of a doctor to own or not to own? We're talking about a doctor in relation to a pastor. And for justice, we can only accurately juxtapose that pastor with a doctor who owns a hospital because pastors usually own churches which I called their places of influence.

Even if the doctor does not own a hospital, he still has authority and power according to the limits given to him by the owner of the hospital. Still he can't operate in another hospital where he has not been given any authority or power to operate. In both scenarios, whether he owns the place or not, people go to the hospitals to see doctors. They go to church to see pastors.

Maynmann:
The doctor can’t do what he wants in the hospital, he needs to treat people that is all.

Are you confusing the owner of the hospital with a doctor?

In my context, I'm talking about a doctor who owns a hospital because that's at par with a pastor who owns a church.

Maynmann:
A doctor doesn’t need a hospital.
A hospital is just a building.
I don’t think you know what “hospital” means.
He is still a doctor in other places if he needs to treat people, he does not exercise any authority or power in the hospital, he treats people that is all.

You are yet to say anything worthy

That's still in tandem with all I have been saying. There's no contradiction between what you've said and what I said. I never said a doctor needs a hospital to operate. And I never said a pastor needs a church to operate.

Power and authority in my context is the ability to do what you want the way you want to do it without being directed by anybody. That's the advantage of her doctor's place of influence. That's why I clarified that in places other than his hospital, he can only advice or even take permissions before doing anything. In his hospital, he send a staff away especially if he owns the hospital. He has that authority and power. He can admit or reject a patient. He has the authority and power. He makes the rules. It's his place of influence. That's the same with a pastor in his church.

A doctor can't treat patient even in another person's hospital without the permission of the authorities in that hospital. He's a trespasser there. He could be arrested and jailed. In his own hospital, he can treat anyone. Outside his hospital or home, he needs permission.

Everyone has his place of influence. In my house. I'm the power and authority. Tinubu as president cannot command me on matters relating to my family. I'm the decision maker. This is my place of influence.

budaatum:
That's the problem. You believe instead of seeking with all your heart and soul and mind and being so that you may know. Same way Adam believed he would die if he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, until Eve decided to use her own senses to test so that she may actually know.

In the Bible, there are two types of death.

1. Spiritual death. This is the king of all deaths. Eternal separation from God.

2. Physical Death. This is just a transition. A separation of the spirit from its body.

Spiritual death is the real death. This was the death God was talking about in Eden. Eternal separation from God. Absolute loss of contact. A termination of spiritual connection with the Creator. This the very death they died on that day they ate the fruits. The same death that runs in all humans. The reason for which people like you are unable to connect with God. Hence you say God does not exist.

When a person is born again, he has a spiritual resurrection. A rebirth. The connection with God is re-established. He can now relate with God and know without doubt that God is real because he has a relationship.

Dead people know nothing because the dead cannot perceive. It's impossible. When a man dies. He's dead to you and you're dead to him. There's no connection. Spiritual death is the ultimate death. This is the death that Adam and Eve died. The whole world without a resurrection experience is still in this state.

Maynmann:
What do you mean a doctor’s place of influence is the hospital?

Which pastor have been arrested for trespassing?

And why can’t pastors pray in their church and heal those in the hospital and mortuary?
Must they see who they are praying to?

A hospital is a doctor's place of influence because that's his jurisdiction. He exercises full authority and power in that hospital. In order places, he can only advice. In his hospital, he makes decisions. It is left for anyone to accept or reject his decision. That's his place of influence.

As there are universally active scientific laws for the operations of our world as well as the universe in which we dwell. The Spirit realm has its laws. A pastor cannot stand in his church and influence miracles in a hospital or mortuary except he is given specific names of persons or groups he must pray for. Yes, the miracle would be delivered to the target persons; but someone must provide those specific details.

budaatum:
Do you expect us to believe this?

Then again, you are not the only miracle worker here, I guess.

Yes, I don't expect you to believe anything. I'll only tell you all the truth I know. To believe or not to believe is your personal choice.

Maynmann:
A doctor equipment is not an hospital.
Yes, exactly if there are no equipments in the hospital, the doctor can’t perform maximally.
So How does a building named “hospital” influence a doctor?

Why do i need to go to a shrine before i can see the “miracles”?
Why are they not performing the miracles at hospitals and mortuaries, everyone is invited there.

If a doctor sees someone that needs help and it won’t cost money, they will help that person without been told.

Similarly, a pastor would help you without being told. He just needs to ask your permission.

A hospital is the doctor's place of influence. I never said the hospital influences the doctor.

A pastor walking into a hospital to perform miracles is a trespasser in that hospital. He could be arrested and jailed. Pastors usually go to hospitals to pray for individual sick people who invite them, or their church members with whom they have relationship. Most times, other sick people around would ask for prayers, the pastor would pray and leave.

If a pastor would go pray in a hospital, the hospital must invite the pastor. Otherwise, the pastor has no right to enter the hospital to do anything. He's a trespasser.

If you want to see miracles, invite a truly anointed pastor to your home. If a hospital wants to see miracles, they should invite a truly anointed pastor. If you have a hospital and desire to see miracles, invite a truly anointed pastor to your hospital. Otherwise, go meet him in church the sane way you'll go meet a doctor or an engineer in his place of influence.

Maynmann:
Same as nativepriests too.

Any building can be an hospital, we have hospitals on ships.
A doctor is a doctor without an hospital.

A doctor can't function maximally without his equipments. Whether in the ship or in the room.

A pastor is not a pastor because of a church building. That's just his primary place of contact and influence. He can minister wherever he is invited. Sea, air or land. All he needs is an invitation. The same applies to a doctor.

Maynmann:
Because the equipments needed are in the hospitals, ANYWHERE the tools are available they can do their job..
The doctor doesn’t need a building called hospital to do his job.
Rich people are treated at home.

Same as the pastors. They visit homes whenever they're invited. Rich or poor. But their primary place of contact is the church, just as it is the hospital for the doctor.

budaatum:
You obviously don't know how to seek until you find, which is no surprise since you forgot the title and authors name.

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/a/borden-deal-7/the-tobacco-men/

No this isn't the book.

The title of the book is Oren Knox. The content that I narrated isn't about tobacco men at all. I didn't forget the title and the content. I only forgot the name of the author.

Maynmann:
Why do i need to go to a shrine before i can see the “miracles”?
Why are they not performing the miracles at hospitals and mortuaries?
Who told you it is wrong laying hands on people to heal them?
Is it one of the universally laws?

My brother your god yahweh is nothing but a dummy idol worshipped by the Israelites
Iesus chrestus is a creation of the Roman Empire.
Bro please i don’t want you to die a yahweh worshipper waiting for a jewish man to be your savior.

Truth are not subjective, truth should be able to be verified and tested and it Will bring the same results again and again, don’t confuse opinions gotten from random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS.

My brother, why must the sick go to hospitals so the doctors can heal them? If you want to know anything or clear your doubts about medical healings, won't you go to the hospital? That's because a hospital is a doctor's place of influence.

A church is a pastor's place of influence. If you want to Know or clear your doubts about spiritual healings or miracles, go there.

budaatum:
Yes they did announce themselves! Go read about Julius Caesar and see how a murderer and thief was glorified, though I'm talking way before that.

Even in the Bible you get to read the glory of the Israelites plunderings and rapings! Some of it was so bad that it never got into the Bible you now read, since they evolved and saw it as mortally wrong and left most of it out, though at the time their gods sanctioned it.

https://www.thetorah.com/article/the-rape-of-dinah-added-as-a-motive-for-the-sack-of-shechem

Julius Ceaser never commended himself for his evil. He was an emperor of Rome who did evil because he was a supreme ruler over his people. No one living a normal life would do what he did so openly and brazingly. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That was Nero's case as well as that of several other tyrants of this world. We're talking about universally accepted moral laws. Even Julius Ceaser himself knew he was evil. Did he ever pass his deeds into law to be replicated by every Roman? Or did he ever preach that everyone should emulate him? No, he can't because he knew he was doing evil.

Israel in its formative years waged wars before settling down as a nation. Many nations, tribes and cultures have fought wars before they settled in their various communities and established boundaries. You can't use the wars of Israel to castigate Israel. There's no law in the Bible where rape or murder is justified. Quote the verse. Do not suppose that you're chatting a novice Christian. I'm very very knowledgeable about the Bible so much so that I'll back up a single claim with several scriptural references. So, be well prepared with me.

Maynmann:
Why can’t the miracles be seen by everyone?
Was Iesus chrestus or people in the tanakh miracles not seen by everyone?

Why do i need to go to a shrine before i can see the “miracles”?
Why are they not performing the miracles at hospitals and mortuaries?

There are norms in every organizations. Institutions evolve as they grow. Things that were acceptable yesterday may no longer be acceptable today. Such is life. There are cases where even governments have criticised and passed laws to regulate the activities of healing evangelists. Accusing them of practicing healing without license. This has happened especially in the United States.

Jesus is not like any of us. We're His servants, and can only go where He sends us, and do only what He asks us to do. Also, everyone has his own area of influence and gifting. Jesus carried a universal anointing. Nobody can immitate Him.

Yes, there are those who have performed healings and miracles in hospitals when particularly invited by the sick. It's wrong to just walk in and start laying hands on everyone in the premises of an hospital.

There are several miracles taking place as we speak. You can go where they're happening. Infact, you could do it as a researcher.

Read about the following people if you care to know more. Joseph Ayo Babalola of C.A C and Archbishop Benson Idahosa (There are live videos of him raising the dead at preaching engagements in the US and UK).

Today, people like EA Adeboye, W.F Kumuyi, David Oyedepo, D.K Olukoya, Paul Enenche, David Ibiyheomie, Chris Oyakhilome and hundreds of thousands of barely known men of God still perform miracles today. I myself have seen tremendous miracles through my hands. It's absolute foolishness and madness for me to be lying to defend miracles if they don't exist. I do not expect you to believe me but make a Google search on those names I mentioned. Some of them who have died, such as Ayo Babalola have physically verifiable evidences on several prayer mountains. Those who are alive have miracle hours they televise. If you don't believe in what you see on TV, walk into their auditoriums as a researcher. You won't come back the same.

God is real my brother. I'm not saying it for the sake of it. God is real. This is the absolute truth.

If you read the wrong books, you'll acquire the wrong knowledge. If you research into the right places, you'll find the truth.

Maynmann:
You must see nigerian politicians lol.

Lol.

budaatum:
Go back to the beginning of the thread and you might see my point.



If you studied the history of the evolution of humans you'd know better. We not only stole with impunity, we murdered and cheated and lied and raped too, until we evolved to understand how detrimental it was to us and society. It is universally accepted that stealing is morally wrong, but that does not mean some do not steal. But why is it wrong, you should ask.

Well, if I steal (your farm produce, or wife or children), from you, I'd need to stand watch over what I stole so you can't steal it back, which means I would not be able to go do anything productive. And if you do manage to steal it back, I might have to hire some people to help me steal it back from you. The to and fro of our stealing from each other would eventually end up with one of us killing the other so no more stealing occurs between us, but there's others who might steal from me after you are dead which is detrimental to all since it would result in complete eradication of that society.

Humans, being the thinking beings that we are, would eventually pass laws against stealing therefore, so they can keep what they have instead of having it stolen without recourse, hence laws you now claim came from gods, when in fact we created gods to make the laws more effective. It's after all more effective you being convinced that some god said "thou shalt not steal" from me, as opposed to me saying it, especially if you are convinced gods will punish you if you steal. Or perhaps you don't think I could be wise and smart enough to say "God said" what buda is saying. Do note that I do not leave it to gods to punish you for stealing from me, but would also pass sentence on you for stealing from me, which would not be the case if it were laws of the gods.

As an aside, Nigeria, as a society, has not evolved that far as to pass and enforce laws against stealing yet. If we had, our political leaders would universally accept that stealing public funds is immoral and detrimental to the society, and we the electorate would not elect thieves. But for now, ọmọ wa ni, so let them steal, unfortunately, which would not be the case if we adopted the moral laws of say China which dictates the chopping off of the head of political thieves, which shows how simple "thou shalt not steal" is not universal nor objective but very subjective indeed.

Bro, even psychologists are not in support of your views. When people murdered and raped and stole, did they start announcing themselves about that they're killers and thieves? But when a man does commendable things, he uses it to get glory.

Maynmann:
And even the claim i asked you to prove are when you claim miracles.

Are miracles that rare and scarce?

Miracles aren't scarce and are very common. But they're not like magic which you go everywhere to show off. If you must see miracles, you'll go to where they're happening. I gave you some references then, if you visit where they're happening, you can judge things for yourself.

Maynmann:
Still more claims.

But a sound mind is not needed to narate lies stories like this.
“ The book detailed a fictional story of how a young orphan boy rose into prominence in America. Starting as a cigarette factory worker at a very tender age, he went on to own a compendium of large cigarette companies including the ones he once worked in, in just a few years. The book contains rich lessons for Entrepreneurs. I was searching online for the book of recent, and to my amazement, nothing about the book could be found.”

If I were of the literary class, maybe I could have been able to provide more details. Unfortunately, I didn't do English language or any of its related courses.

Meanwhile, there's a Japanese book I read in 2002. The book was titled Samurai. I didn't remember the name of the author too, even though I remember the story. But in contrast to Oren Knox, the book Samurai is available online.

Maynmann:
What a coincidence, it is that same book you are using as reference that you don’t remember the name, you also can’t take a picture of the book, and the book is not online, no adult except you has read this book.

Infact, a friend gave me the book. And, take note of the year. It's 1997. That's 25 solid years ago. It would take a super sound mind to remember even the book's content, late alone the title and then author's name.

Maynmann:
Why won’t you forget, but you perfectly remember what happened in the book.

That's one thing about books. You'll remember the touching content of the book but you may forget the author. It's funny actually but it happens to all of us.

Maynmann:
Mention the name of the author, let’s see if it is only you that also knows this author, no other adult has read its book or knows this author.

I've forgotten the author's name. He's an unpopular author but that single volume was a hit, and I thought it should be discovered online by just referencing the book's title.

Maynmann:
Who is the author of the book you mentioned?

The internet does not contain all things, it’s not omniscience.
The internet contains information feed to it by us, how come no one except you as gone online to talk about it.

No educated person that has lived in 1990s has thought of putting it online except you?

It seems You are the only adult that has these informations.

Let's leave this. I don't think we'll get anywhere with it. But you've already said that the internet contains information that are fed into it by us.

Information itself is Intellectual Property. I can feed information online if I own it. A piece of information may not be online if the owner does not deem it fit to put it on the internet.

Maynmann:
Your analogy is flawed, because internet is not a school.

How come the internet don’t contain ALL your claims?

The internet didn't contain only one claim I made. Then the other claims were claims I made to prove that the internet does not contain all things. The claim of the Baby fish is something anyone who was an educated adult in the 1990s can easily remember, that was why I raised that claim to prove that not all things or events have found their ways online. The book I just mentioned now is an example. Some of the things that happened pre-internet are not online. You can only know if you've been an adult in those days.

budaatum:
State those "generally and universally accepted moral laws", and let's see how general and universally accepted they are.

Don't let us deceive ourselves just because we want to hold on to some ideologies.

You yourself know some things you'll do without knowing any government law, but after doing such, you'll immediately run away or seek to cover up your tracks even in places where there are no Governments.

See the images below:

Maynmann:
There are so many information that are on the internet that precede when internet was created.

The example you gave has nothing to do with the discussion about if your claims are true.
You are using another claim to backup a claim.

If you so want people to know you are not lying why don’t you try to find evidence for your claims, have you thought of that?

I'm not using that as backup to defend my point. I was just making a reference. You know that your position about the internet is flawed. It's like saying every child in a community who preceded the creation of a school in that community must definitely have passed through that school.

The internet contains many things. It doesn't contain all things.

budaatum:
What is moral is not universal, and morality has nothing to do with scientific laws. If you throw an apple in the air it will universally, on earth at least, fall to the ground, but there's no universal accepted law to dictate what would happen to you if you kill someone. The law might consider you committed manslaughter or even acted in self defence. The clue is in accepted. Some countries accept homosexuality as moral while some wouldn't mind stoning homosexuals.

As for the existence of your God, sorry but that's irrelevant to me. It's not as if God would do anything to you if you killed anyone or were homosexual.

First off, I never said morality has to do with scientific laws. Moral laws and scientific laws were two separate points I made. Don't muddle things up.

There are generally and universally accepted moral laws. No matter how much you deny them. You and I know they exist.

Maynmann:
I say it again, if you didn’t start the insult i wouldn’t insult you, take what you dish out.

If it was widely publicized incident in Russia, it should be online.
Why are ALL your stories no where to be found online.

Many who have lived adult lives before the proliferation of the internet would agree with me.

For instance, I read a book in 1997 titled Oren Knox. It was a classic. The book detailed a fictional story of how a young orphan boy rose into prominence in America. Starting as a cigarette factory worker at a very tender age, he went on to own a compendium of large cigarette companies including the ones he once worked in, in just a few years. The book contains rich lessons for Entrepreneurs. I was searching online for the book of recent, and to my amazement, nothing about the book could be found.

There's no reason why I should lie to defend a point. I consider such attitudes very demeaning.

Maynmann:
What are the moral laws that are universally accepted.

You know them.

Even kids of 3yrs know that some things aren't right to be done. The more the reason why they'll love to do them in your absence.

That universally accepted moral laws exist isn't something to argue about.

Maynmann:
You can also go through all my mentions with you, i have no reason to abuse you unless you start it.
I deal with knowledge not beliefs.

You'll be the first to call your opponent dullard, illiterate, etc. Even when he has never insulted you. Everyone on this forum knows that. The last time, you were even insulting my elders simply because I asked you to ask elders around about a widely publicised incident in Russia that happened in 1992 which obviously you knew nothing about.

Maynmann:
Why not Gods exist?

Anyway, I've made my grieveances known to you. For the sake of courtesy, let me respond.

Whether a God or Gods. The most important thing here is that Someone or Some entities higher than man set the moral laws that are universally accepted by man to judge between right and wrong.