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Sucre6:
You don't know me, so don't make comparison, a man assaulted you to dehumanization, you are still here defending rubbish upon all your effort he still treats you like a street dog and withhold your salary and taking his property that worth equal your salary is not constitutional and going against the law, but he dehumanizing you and holding your salary isn't,

Omo, I don't like weak ass men 😒😒😒

If he reports you before you report him, forget anything he's done to you, you'll be the one to be jailed. First report him and let the police do their job. Don't take action that would take you to prison while you're the one being cheated.

obyno82:
If you believe this man was funding unknown gunmen and bandits them I am sorry to say that these people have done a number on your brain.

And if you believe this man can't do that, then the man has done a number on your brain.

I'm still on the speculation mode, given the atrocities he deliberately committed against the Nigerian economy. Perhaps, you're unaware of dangerous economic policies he kept rolling out almost every other week especially in 2021. Policies that were clearly anti-peoole.

tishbite42:
Doubling down on your stupidity after a sensible person corrected you shows your level of reasoning.
Emefiele is an Igbo man and we are watching with keen interest.

You're really stupid for that comment.

I appreciated the correction and explained why I drew the inference. Only an slowpoke would respond the way you did. You must be really stupid

obyno82:
My guy I would advice you not to say things that would land you into trouble. Watch your tongue don't be lousy in your speech. If you are asked to go to court and come up with evidence that he wanted to enable Biafra by weakening the naira can you do it? Not everything is for content, if you say what will nail you, your so called paymasters will deny you when shit hits the fan.

Thanks for the advice. I'm simply drawing inferences from his actions because I can't understand how a competent man like him refused to show his competence when he got to handle national economic affairs. His policies were so daft that even a primary school dropout could easily predict the impending disaster. Then, he was said to be funding IPOB, ESN, Unknown Gunmen and Bandits. Why would he do that? Just connecting the dots.

obyno82:
How was he caught? Someone who was in his house. They claimed he was bungled to the plane in his PJs, but the video showed him in a Native attire. Make una no fall for this media deceit abeg.

The DSS have wanted to arrest him since Buhari days. It was General Irabor that shielded him. Infact, he gave him soldiers to fiend off the DSS.

Emefiele is a crook. He has accomplices too. During trial, he would mention them, and they too would be tried. Let's see how it goes.

The state of the economy today was due to his deliberate attempt to weaken Nigeria and empower Biafra. He's too competent a man on his job. His supposed failure were deliberate actions. He's also accused of terrorism financing. Let him go and defend himself. All others like him would not be spared. Let's keep watching as events unfold.

Guyman01:
While not holding forth for Emefiele but it seems many Nigerians outside Yorubas are not moved by this media trial, Hadi Sirika that used over a hundred billion to paint an Ethiopia aircraft and bought Fire Trucks for N1B each is walking free, Malami that awarded website contracts worth Billions to himself is not been harassed, Buhari the Petroleum Minister his boss that looted subsidy money and incurred debt of N77trn is relaxing in Daura and Yoruba media is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill by harassing the man who simply implemented Buhari monetary policies.

We are not deceived by this act of cowardice against a Delta man who served as errand boy and gloating by Yorubas as if we have won the world cup while Fulani elites who looted the country with unquantifiable nepotism in the past 8 years walk freely and Kwankwaso is in Aso Villa to negotiate ministerial appointments for them.

Eltufiakwa under whose watch thousands were massacred in Southern Kaduna is still busy making inflammatory statements and no one has invited him like the Fulanis did to Sunday Igboho for questioning the killings of Yorubas by Fulani herdsmen because una dey fear them, na for Igbos and South South minorities una dey get mouth.

Even Yakubu Mahmud collected N300b and couldn't transmit election results as he promised, imagine if Mahmud was an Urhobo man, you guys would have rubbished him like you did to Diezani?
Nonsense and ingredients!

Too early to draw conclusions. The first axe has landed. No one knows who's next. Or do you expect them to be rounded up at once?

Emefiele himself wouldn't have been arrested so soon if not that he was caught trying to escape.

Tinubu never ordered his arrest. He only ordered his suspension, and you and I know that indeed that man is a crook.

Wilgrea7:
You're confusing me. You say you're not talking about morality, but instead universally accepted moral laws, which are still under the subject of morality.

Or is there an alternative definition I'm not seeing here.

No. We're particular about the unwritten laws. Not the acts.

LordReed:
What is universal morality?

Universally accepted moral laws is what we're discussing.

Wilgrea7:
If you say so. I've already told you there's no difference between accepting for the sake of discussion and accepting for real, as both situations would start from the exact same premise. But if you say so, then okay.



If you're talking about morality regardless of religion, then of what use is the existence of god in the discussion?

If you're trying to prove the source of morality, then by all means go ahead. But so far I'm yet to see you try.

Your position seems to be (and correct me if I'm wrong), that morality is more or less ingrained in us as humans. Why? Because a god made it so. All the while failing to prove said god.

It would be akin to me saying we have ingrained morality because our digital overlords in the simulation programmed us like that, or because there is an undiscovered element in human brains that make us moral.

Without any proof, the claim remains a claim. You can argue for a source of morality. But the moment you begin to describe the attributes of this source, you need to provide evidence. And so far, you've provided none.

And I've told you that I can't discuss anything just for argument sake. I don't have such time.

Please, I'm not talking about morality but universally accepted moral laws. Nothing you said up there addresses the issue

LordReed:
The same universal morality that accepted slavery at some point then said slavery was bad at another?

Please research about the topic. Slavery does not count as universal morality.

greatestdestiny:
Hmm. The word God is indeed proven true according to the books of proverbs .. Because the same scriptures said, the wicked flees when no man pursues him. Else where tmwas he running to? ..

Jokes apart, Emefiele is a rogue! Let us leave tribe sentiments out of our disposition on his evil reign. It got to a point that some people withdrew N10,000 with N10,000 under a man that supposed a product of Zenith bank. That means Zenith Bank na packaging. Bloody nonsense!

Believe me, Emefiele is very good on his job. He took Zenith Bank to heights. What he did as CBN governor was to deliberately crumble Nigeria while empowering IPOB, ESN and Bandits. The man created wealth for himself and his friends using very frivolous policies that were deliberately crafted to induce hardship.

Wilgrea7:
The thread tries to talk about morality from the perspective of an atheist, but it talks about morality nonetheless.



You're shooting yourself in the foot more than you realize. You just talked about "universally accepted moral laws", in a world with different religions, and gods, and lack thereof too. So you're indirectly making reference to a sort of morality that exists regardless of the belief in a god.




Again, when i talk of the moral dilemma, i'm talking about something different. It was explained on my other thread, but for the sake of not wanting to derail this one, I'll let it go for now.



Accept what position as truth? That an unproven god exists? How does that help our discussion? I've already said for the sake of argument, I'll accept that a god exists. I'll even take it further. For the sake of this discussion, I will assume that a single creator deity exists. So not polytheistic, but monotheistic.

By accepting this premise, it means we won't be running into any of the problems associated with a disbelief in this god. You'd be proving to me that your god is indeed the creator the same way you'd be proving to a deist or someone else who accepts the concept of a god, but is unsure of which one.

So once again, go ahead

If you don't accept that a God exists, there's no point discussing who's the true God.

Universal morality is not based on religion, culture or traditions. I believe you're pretending not to understand. What has the subject to do with multiplicity of gods or religions or the lack of ir? Humans generally know certain things are right or wrong without recourse to any written law. That's what we're talking about.

DuchessAmanda:
So what's the full name of the original one on their App?

Just type binance. com and be sure that you're on binance. com. Download the app from there. Any other website aside Binance. Com is fake.

Maynmann:
How did i give a personalized answer?
What words did i use that you didn’t use and more?
I hate people that can’t take what they dish out, i was only making an example, how you suddenly got offended by it after you have done the same to me countless times is amazing.

The bible means collection of books.
We have the christian bible called New Testament and the Old Testament that belongs to judaism and it’s called Tanakh.

You can’t argue facts, if you can present your facts about the “bible” then why would i argue?

Exposing Yahweh the isrealite god is easssyyy.

See the screenshot below. See what I said before you answered that "If my son..."

And actually, I'm not offended. I only rejected the personalization. And, truly, I'm not interested in dragging endless arguments.

Maynmann:
The Old Testament was originally written in old hebrew. And in Hebrew EVIL – RA רע , the isiah verse is talking about evil.

I never said your son can kill someone, the same way you never said my son will be an armed robber abi, are they not examples?

You said this whole thing but you can’t take what you dish out?
“ When you said you would help your son first, you should have looked at all the possible things a wayward child might do to warrant his father's help. And you should have known that issues are in categories (the waywardness of a child as well as the calamities that may eventually befall him). You should have weighed matters well before making that comment. I didn't change anything because I didn't paint any previous scenario. I painted that robber child scenario to help you see the danger in your stance.”

You were the one who gave a personalized answer to a scenario I painted. I never directed words at you or your son. I'm not going into any further argument about this.

And also I wouldn't argue the Bible with you because it would end fruitlessly. Neither you nor I would agree to anything. So, let it rest.

Maynmann:
I said I would help my first son before giving him conditions.
You said you will help your son after he accepts your conditions.
So if your son kills someone and he accepts your condition, how will you rescue him?


Hebrew is not a scripture, it’s a language, the tanakh was written in old hebrew.
In hebrew ra means evil, and there are many christs in Old Testament that’s why the jews reject your Iesus chrestus.

I never said Hebrew is a scripture please. When I say English scripture or Hebrew scripture, I'm referring to the Bible with regards to a particular language.

My Son can never kill someone. It's not possible. So, I wouldn't be dragged into such a discussion.

mariovito:
These guys just like to set us back.

First you ban crypto, how did you expect them to get your so called license?

Anyway, now that the ban on crypto has been lifted, I believe Binance will do the needful and regularize their position.

Binance Nigeria limited is not the original Binance please. It's a scam site immitating Binance to defraud. The reporter is a demented fellow who can't present reports with clarity.

Maynmann:
All i said is i will help my son FIRST before giving him conditions, then you change it to a criminal that stole.
What conditions are you going to give your son before you rescue him as a criminal?
No one wants to see his children die, but if your son kills someone and is sentenced to death, you better be ready to watch your son sentenced to death if the judges says so, and no matter the conditions you give him it won’t matter.

You are contradicting yourself.
If i need to meet those conditions before getting a miracle, why then is a pastor needed, what’s the use of the pastor permission to have authority and power 😂

What’s the Hebrew word for evil in that statement?
Evil is Masoretic רַע (ra).
You can also see it in isiah 5:20, is that one also talking “calamity”.

Talking about hebrew, do you know cyprus is a christ, what’s christ in Hebrew.

Yahweh worshipper lol

When you said you would help your son first, you should have looked at all the possible things a wayward child might do to warrant his father's help. And you should have known that issues are in categories (the waywardness of a child as well as the calamities that may eventually befall him). You should have weighed matters well before making that comment. I didn't change anything because I didn't paint any previous scenario. I painted that robber child scenario to help you see the danger in your stance.

I wouldn't make any reversal into the pastor/condition/authority talk anymore. I've spoken at length on that topic. Please refer to our previous discourse for any answers you may seek.

Regarding the Hebrew texts and the Christ you're talking about, I would not go this far with you. I don't discuss scriptures just for argument sake. I've clarified positions upon positions already, and answered several questions. We can't be arguing endlessly on Nairaland as we have other things to do with time. God bless you.

Maynmann:
Releasing a criminal is never good, no loving father will say that a criminal should be released after it “suffered small”, that is not fairness.
All criminals should face the same sentence.
Your fatherly principle is good for you alone.

What’s calamity in hebrew.
From the place you copied from, talking about context.

Isaiah 45:13-14 NRSV

13 "I have aroused Cyrus in righteousness, and I will make all his paths straight; he shall build my city and set my exiles free, not for price or reward, says the Lord of hosts. 14 Thus says the Lord: The wealth of Egypt and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and the Sabeans, tall of stature, shall come over to you and be yours, they shall follow you they shall come over in chains and bow down to you. They will make supplication to you, saying, “God is with you alone, and there is no other; there is no god besides him.”
Conclusion:

The meaning of Bringing Evil "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things..( KJV 47:7)

"I make peace" refers to the liberation of the Israelites from the Babylonian captivity and "create evil" refers to the just administration of justice on the Babylonians for their cruel treatment of the Israelites during their seventy years of captivity there.

Your stance about a criminal son is good. That's contradictory to your former stance, where you rush to help a child in trouble on the basis of love alone. However, allowing a child to suffer a little is what I've seen many fathers do. No one wants to watch his son sentenced to death no matter what he has done. I never said it's my principle, did I?

Regarding the Isaiah verse we were talking about, I only wanted you to read the Hebraic text and its literal renderings since I don't speak Hebrew myself. Any other thing discussed on the site is solely the opinion of the writer.

Maynmann:
If my son is in trouble, and I’m a loving father i will help my son first before giving him conditions.
Spanking your child won’t make him change.


Your god didn’t create everything, he didn’t create evil, the devil must have created it, so he doesn’t have dominion over everything and is not the most powerful.

Isiah 45:7– I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Your fatherhood principle is only good to you but many father's don't buy your idea. A son who turns an armed robber and got arrested by police is an example. The father is powerful and can immediately order his release. I've seen cases without number where the father would say 'Let him suffer a little, so that he can learn.' Wise and loving fathers. Your fatherly principle is good for you alone. I have no problems with that.

Yes. Isaiah 45:7 is God Almighty speaking. The English translation is flawed. This is it in Hebrew:

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create calamity: I the LORD do all these things.

ז יוֹצֵר אוֹר וּבוֹרֵא חֹשֶׁךְ עֹשֶׂה שָׁלוֹם וּבוֹרֵא רָע אֲנִי יְהוָה עֹשֶׂה כָל-אֵלֶּה

Wilgrea7:
The thread is literally about morality



Vastly different analogy. That's not in any way similar to what i consider the 'moral problem'



What difference does it make? If I assume for the sake of the discussion that a god exists, how is it different from someone who truly believes? All premises held by the latter will be held by me. So feel free to go ahead with your proof.

If the thread is literally about morality, what's the point in addressing atheists alone? Is it not because they said there's no god? Then how comes the universally accepted moral laws that are not set by man? We're still talking about morality from the Atheists point of view.

The analogy isn't different because moral problems exist as well as crime problems. Both have laws to combat the problems. Laws from both sides were made. They're not self existent laws.

There's a difference in accepting my position merely for the sake of a discussion rather than accepting my position as truth because the former puts you only in an argumentative position with a close mind. That'll lead to useless and endless arguments. I have no time for such. The later puts you in a fact finding kind of argument that could lead profitably to a destination.

Maynmann:
If my son is in trouble, and I’m a loving father i will help my son first before giving him conditions.

Your god didn’t create evil, your god is not the Creator of all things.

Yes, it depends on the gravity of the child's offence and the type of help he needs. A loving father is more concerned about the aftermath of his help. Why do you think father's spank their children? Out of hatred? He wants him to change. If you are very much passionate about him turning a new leaf, you must make decisions only a father can make. It all depends on your priority as a father. Whether to give him temporary respite I his sorrowful state and allow him to back to his ways. (That's not love) or to give all round help that assists his current situation as well as his entire life.

My God is not the doer of all things in the universe. Humans do both good and bad things. Satan does only evil things. Demons do evil things. They're all doers. God created humans, Satan and demons who do the good and bad things. God is the Creator of all things.

Maynmann:
So if If there are conditions before your yahweh can help someone then why is a pastor needed for miracle?
Even if the pastor is given permissions he is powerless except the patient has done the 5 conditions.


Who created men with their desires?
Who created satan?
Before creating man, omniscience god didn’t know man will be evil and they will honor satan?

But the reality is we have more bad things happening to us than good things.

When your god was ordering israelite to kill, will they be rewarded for it?

First, you've made assertions regarding my God, the Creator of the universe. Consider it reasonable to offer my answers from His book to show you what He has said of Himself and the clarifications He has given about the concerns you've raised. I've avoided quoting the scriptures since we started this discussion.

Now, if you are a father who has a wayward son that disrespected you. Engaged in vices. Spoilt your reputation. He then suddenly falls into trouble. Now, he remembers he has a father. As a wise father, won't you give him conditions that would make him rethink his ways? Or do you hate him so much that you'll allow him to continue to destroy himself? But a good child already met all the conditions. You'll help him with speed.

God's conditions are out of love to turn the wicked from his evil ways.

God didn't create man with evil desires. Evil desires is the result of spiritual death (Eternal separation from God). Right from the day man lost sight of God, he lost his Godly nature and took upon a satanic nature which is full of evil desires.

Ecclesiastes 7:29
"Behold, I have found only this [as a reason]: God made man upright and uncorrupted, but they [both men and women] have sought out many devices [for evil].”

God created Satan as an upright angel in heaven. He was called Lucifer. He was the most glorious of God's creation. As a result of the extras that God gave him as the closest archangel to the throne, Lucifer grew proud. He wanted to be like God. God sent him down to earth for his rebellion. Man was thereafter created as a punisher for fallen Lucifer. God put Lucifer under the authority of the man whom He made from dust as a mark of eternal humiliation.

God knew man would become evil and will honour Satan. God knew he'll fall into troubles. So, while laying the foundations of the earth from the very beginning, He made a solution ready:

Revelation 13:8
"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Satan), whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world."

Yes, more bad things happen in the world because Satan hates man so much. God created man as Satan's nemesis. So, the hatred is not unexpected. Man's error is in ceding the earth to Satan. Satan today is the god of this world. He distributes all the evils and bad things you see around. Meanwhile, things were not so in the begining. Man was the original owner and god of the earth:

Psalm 115:16
The heavens are the LORD’s heavens, but the earth he has given to the children of man.

Man is the architect of his own woes. Out of love, God provided a solution - the lamb Jesus. Someone without Christ would suffer defeat at the hands of Satan. Someone who has Christ goes from victory to victory.

The Amorites were a people given to idol worship. God wasn't even so much angered by that, since He knew that man had lost connection with Him. What angered God was bloodshed. Murders were being committed with impunity. There was too much blood in the land. The people heeded no warnings. They even roasted young kids alive as sacrifice to a God called Molech. There was sodomy and every kind of evil you might think of. So God decided to judge that nation by wiping them off and replacing them with another set of people. Before then, God had to wait over 500yrs for this people to repent. God is very patient.

While God was still waiting for the Amorites to repent, knowing fully well that they would never repent, He told Abraham in Genesis 15:16:

"In the fourth generation your descendants will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

The descendants of Abraham were only sent to execute judgement against those people. The proof that God actually used the Israelites for their judgement is that, this people were all Giants. The Israelites referred to them as Anakims. They were also very numerous. The Jews, though short in stature and comparatively few in number did the impossible by dispossessing the iniquitous Amorites. This isn't ordinary.

God is a God of judgement and justice. He forwarned the Israelites to avoid commiting the same sins that He used them to punish the Amorites for. The consequences would be grievous. When the Israelites disobeyed, He did exactly as He said. A God of justice.

Maynmann:
Even your yahweh is under his own principle.

If there are conditions before your yahweh can help someone then why is a pastor needed for miracle?

Conditions exist because men are evil. They have no regard for God. They're wicked to their fellow humans. They serve their selfish desires. They honour Satan. Conditions exist because justice must be done. God wants to meet you the way He created you. He doesn't want any adulterated humans.

Justice in this context means you get what you deserve. You'rll not be rewarded for good things you never did.

Maynmann:
Why can’t yahweh just heal everyone in the hospital in the whole world, why does yahweh need specific names?

Good question.

Everyone is God's creation but not everyone belongs to God. God does not exert ownership on people. You can choose your own owner. But God owns the world, and He'll judge everything in it. You can't choose your own judge.

God has a principle: "Ask, and it shall be given unto you ". Because God would heal only those who merit healing. There are some very wicked fellows who do not deserve to see any goodness.

Hence, there are certain checks that guide healings. Someone who's suffering for his own wickedness cannot get healed without being first forgiven and mercy granted. In forgiveness, justice must still be served.

God is a God of fairness and equity. He must avenge the weak who has been wronged. Some sicknesses or problems are actually as a result of nemesis. Just as some sudden goodness are as a result of Providence.

Someone who has absolute disregard for God when all things were going well for him cannot suddenly call on God when trouble comes. God isn't anybody's puppet. A man may do evil for as long as God continues to wait for him to repent. One day, he would be visited, and at that time, no one can help him. Not even a doctor, if his case happens to be a sickness. So, not everyone can be healed. People die in hospitals every day. Not everyone a pastor prays for is healed. Justice must be done because God is a God of judgement.

A rebellious fellow must pay the price for his rebellion some day. That day, no one would be able to help him. There's just one day. It's called the The Day of Visitation. Prayers won't be answered except for a divine prerogative of mercy. Hence God cannot distribute miracles or healings just like that. Not everyone would be healed.

Sometimes, a pastor would pray for someone in calamity, and it would be clearly revealed that he's suffering punishments for some past wickedness. At such point in time, only mercy can speak for that person because justice must be served. God loves humans, and any evil done by a human to his fellow human receives a just retribution. God doesn't bend His rules because of anybody. He's down-to-earth. He's a just Judge.

So if God would heal a man, then he must:

1. Have a relationship with Him. He's not your standby generator.

2. Acknowledge Him as God

3. Live a life of genuine love for your fellow humans.

4. Trust Him that He'll do it for you because He loves you. God hates distrust.

5. Call upon Him, and He'll answer. It doesn't matter where you are or what you're facing.

If these 5 conditions are met, miracles come speedily. If any of the conditions is lacking, there may be a little glitch before a breakthrough occurs. And if the it's a divine judgement on the individual, miracles may never happen except by a divine prerogative of mercy.

Maynmann:
The pastor can only perform the miracle in the hospital.
He can’t pray to his deity anywhere and he will heal the people.

How do you “perform healing”?
You are making it sound like it’s performing a physical surgery.

I have told you different ways in which miracles can be performed by pastors even without being in the hospital. I told you how pastors can pray for specific persons by name from any location. Didn't I? Must I always be repeating previous discussions when discussing with you?
I don't know how many times I've done that today alone. And it has always being like that. You always want a discussion to become a roundabout whenever you feel cornered? Or, Do you want to tell me that you forget too soon? Or you just want to be disturbing me unnecessarily?

Thanks for your time anyway. Bye. I won't reply you again except it's on something I've not touched in the course of our discussion so far. I don't have time for such.

Maynmann:
What exactly is the physical thing like food thay the pastor is taking to the sick?

How you are able to relate this to a pastor staying in his home and praying to yahweh to heal all the sick in the hospitals to taking food into an hospital shows the effects of religion lol
If i go to the hospital i will be stopped, who is going to stop your yahweh from healing the sick?

We're talking about permission now. We only want to know why pastors need permission isn't it? Just barge in there without permission. Distribute food, money, drugs or even perform healing. Okay?

Go and do as advised. I'm done with you.

Maynmann:
When pastors are given permissions who do they call on?
Now that they are not given permissions, why can’t they call on the same thing?
Why exactly do pastors need permissions?

I don't know why pastors need permission.

You can experiment yourself. Take food to go distribute in a hospital to the sick. That's a good thing isn't it? You're being nice.

Barge into a hospital without permission and start distributing food in every ward. Come back and tell me how it went.

Maynmann:
Yahweh needs permission from the hospital lol

Pastors are humans. They're not Yahweh. A sick person anywhere can call on God in the hospital directly and be healed. That was how Kenneth Hagin got healed when he was left to die on his hospital bed at age 16. God does not need permission to heal if you acknowledge and call upon him directly. Human beings who live in a regulated world need that.

I can see that you fully understand all that I've said but you decided to unnecessarily drag the discussion, and I've given you the best of my time. You're gradually tending towards mockery. Laughing that I said Yahweh needs permission when nothing in our discussion points towards this direction.

Maynmann:
You don’t understand what you are saying, religion has messed with you.

Why don’t you go to hospitals and ask patients if they want to be healed, and what if it is a coma patients, your god is powerless against those?

Yahweh worshipper lol

To do so, you need the permission of the hospital. Yes, it's been done but not publicised. There are a few hospitals who grant such permissions. Meanwhile, you should understand that a hospital is a business place where doctors make money from the sick. Any other form of healing stands as a direct threat or competition to the medical healing business. Pastors respect that.

Maynmann:
Your examples are flawed, can’t you see what religion is doing to you.

So if you pray to yahweh now, he can’t help those in the hospital because you don’t have permissions from the owner of the hospital, yahweh is powerless?

I don't even understand what you're hitting at because it doesn't represent anything I have said.

Maynmann:
Pastors can only be met in the church just like native priests.

A doctor doesn’t need an hospital to operate, and he doesn’t need to be given an authority.
Before you can use yahweh to perform a miracle you need to be given authority from who please?

Jesus Christ!!

Please read my post again. I can't continue repeating myself. I even made an example of my home in relation to Tinubu. I also explained that a doctor can't operate in another hospital without given the authority to treat people there.

What's your profession? No matter what you do, you can't go to another place to do a job without being given permission or authority to work there. it's not a doctor/pastor thing now. Who doesn't know this? You want a pastor to enter a hospital and start healing without being invited. Does he own the hospital? Who gave him the permission to do so?

Pastors can heal anywhere you meet them. A simple words as 'Please pray for me.' is all the power and authority a pastor needs to start praying for you.