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Hotsemo:
CAN THE IGBOS, EVER CORRECT THE PAST??

Between1963-1966....…President.....…Igbo ma
Senate President....…..Igbo man
Chief of Army Staff....….Igbo man
Chief of Air staff.....…......Igbo man.
Chief of Naval staff.........Igbo man
70% of all Commissioned Army officers ....Igbos.

There were 4 regions, North, East, West and Midwest...…..2 of the Premiers, i.e East and Midwest, were Igbos.....,,
Most high ranking Ministers, were Igbos.......
Yet 5 Igbo Young Soldiers overthrew this Igbo dominated Government, accusing it of Corruption, yet no Igbo Politician was killed in that Coup......those who died were all none Igbos.

The Coup failed and the man who became Head of State was Igbo, instead of Pacifying the other tribes, for their losses by executing the coup Plotters, he relocated them to Enugu Prison, for safety, dissolved the regional Government, abolished Fiscal Federalism, and introduced a Central command controlled Unitary Government, he did not also bother to Probe all Past Igbo Politicians.....,,,

So when the retaliation came, it was a clearly an over reaction, because the bottled up anger was too much, instead of the retaliations, to be limited only to the Politicians and Barracks, the Civilian Populations sided with their Army brothers and butchered many innocent Igbo People, Particularly in the streets of Kano, were an average of 1,000 Igbos were being killed daily in Sabon gari Kano..........this led to a mass exodus of Igbos back home and of course retaliated their deaths by killing Northerners in Igbolands.......Dim Ojukwu who was against the initial 5 Igbo boys coup and help foiled the Coup, was so annoyed by the rate his innocent kinsmen were being butchered for what was supposed to be a Purely military affair,.......he Pleaded with the North to stop the orgy of Violence, but it became worse, Pushed to Wall to safe his People, he declared secession.........he lost, and went on exile.

He later came back Contested Presidential elections, but his own People voted massively against him, they Preferred Obasanjo to him,....…again in 2007, they voted Yaradua, against Ojukwu.

In Obansanjo regime, for being loyal and betraying Ojukwu, they were rewarded with the Senate Presidency........and what was their achievement??......impeaching who ever is on that seat every 2 years, from Evans Enwerem,to Okadigbo, to Adolphus Wabara, to Pius Anyim and Kenneth Nnamani.......A Position that David Mark was able to manage for a whole 8 years.. …......These baffles me a lot, because the average Igbo man is very intelligent....so what is wrong??.....I think it is this...…"if I cannot have it no other Igbo man should have it, so let's pull it down""...….and to me this character originated from Ancient times...….so Controversial, that they never had any centralised King,.....they never had any Empire.

Cc: Mynd44

Your problem is that you dont know that "one Nigeria" is no longer the priority of most Igbos. Once you realise that, you find out that this topic of your is a waste of time.

EgunMogaji:
As you sit comfortably in your house

There can be two masters, but the message is more important than the messenger

Magnitki:
And this is happening in zoo prison

Of course.

superstar1:


See the way the toothless and demented bulldog that vowed to ensure Nigeria was no more by December 2015 is looking.

The Ayatollah bingo of alaigbo has been tamed. Our Dilector can now recite national anthem in his dreams.

Nnamdi Kanu's issue pain you like this? Don't worry, you can apply to be deputy anchorman on his Radio station when he comes out.

sainty2k3:
I think your problem is that u are either too young or not yet born when this things happened . and this thread was going on smoothly until u brought your ethnic bigotry

Sorry bro but ethnic bigotry has always been what Nigerian history is about. Do you think Fajuyi would have been killed if he had been a Northerner?

modath:
Stop it , King of prison is not something to rejoice about!!! You don't value kings hence the trifling use!! King of prison, what a sick joke..


Gosh, what kind of kids are being bred these days..

What's wrong in being king of Kuje prison? Don't forget that Nnamdi Kanu has not been convicted of any crime yet and is technically not a prison inmate yet.

logicab:
In Igbo land or connects Igbo land to the South-West? In which case, why is the South-West not clamoring for it?

I don't know what you are talking about.The second Niger Bridge just like the first connects the two Igbo cities of Onitsha and Asaba. Igbos have been traveling to Lagos since the 20's, 30's, 40's and even the 50's when there was no Bridge.

If there is a war in the Niger -Delta area, Nigeria can count on two things to happen.

1) It will be the end the Oil and Gas industry in Nigeria

2) We Igbos are not going to join any fight in the Niger Delta area, not now or ever.

Nnamdi Kanu has become king of Kuje prison. Look at prison warders queuing up to take pictures with him in jail.

Nnamdi ride on bro! We shall get there in the end!

logicab:
Like I said, if you don't understand that in English, I can translate to another language. That's the best I can do for you under the circumstances.

You guys act as if this decree 34 was made to affect just Igbos only, it affected everybody. The decree was not the problem, the problem was that Ironsi was Igbo. Gowon enacted an even worse unitary system than Ironsi by creating States and taking away resource control but nobody said anything.

logicab:
Who is holding you? Just head for Igboland if you are not there already and blow up the Niger Bridge after you. Why are you clamoring for Second Niger Bridge by the way?

Unfortunately we already did all that in 1967 but you just could not leave us.


The second Niger bridge is in Igbo land, it is just another Government project same as anywhere in Nigeria

Agu-Iyi Ironsi could have returned to Lagos with the same Helicopter he came with but Fajuyi assured him of his safety and he stayed. No doubt that Fajuyi deserves commendation for standing by his Boss till the end. But the tragedy of Fajuyi's death is that it exposed the Yoruba nation as a people who suffer from a perennial fear of the North. A Yoruba man and Governor of the Western Region is kidnapped and slaughtered but Yorubas did nothing. To this day, not one Yoruba man has ever called out the Northerners for killing Fajuyi. General Danjuma who killed Fajuyi is still highly regarded by Yorubas. 20 years later, again the Northerners kidnapp and slaughter MKO in a repeat performance. What did the Yorubas do? Nothing just as in the case of Fajuyi. Yoruba subservience to the North is so bad that the Yorubas will actually attack anyone who stands up the North such as Ojukwu, FFK and even Fayose. A fine Yoruba Solidier like Fajuyi was killed but his death was drowned out because it was Notherners that did the killing. If it had been Igbos who killed Fajuyi, that's when the Yorubas would have known how to talk.

logicab:
Mr Man:


https://www.dawodu.com/decree34.htm

Or do I need to interpret in another language for you to understand?

Actually, what you quoted ( if it is indeed decree 34) only goes to support what I said in a previous post. If decree 34 unified the regional services as one, it then
Means that anyone could work anywhere just as we have today. So what is the big deal about decree 34?

fred06:
Was Akintola a Northerner? Was Chief Festus Okotie Eboh a northerner? But you people slaughtered them..in an Igbo coup...was Okpara n Zik touched during the coup? Who are you fooling?
Did Aguiyi ironsi not cover the coup plotters? With his henchman Nzeogwu...
My dear u people think of only yourself n it was seen in biafra..
Remember history will always have it that your people or part of them truncated democratic rule in Nigeria and not the Notherners..it is a fact..

So what is the point of being with Igbos in 'one Nigeria' if they are killers? Or do you prople love being with killers?

viver1:
Never knew dis man was a clown.

Of course Okoroawusa is a clown. Who does Okorohausa think he is going to impress with an Igbo APC deputy senate president? Igbos have held all the high offices in Nigeria at one time or the other, so who cares about deputy senate leader? Okorocha remains a nonentity in Igbo land

southpole:
My problem with you igbos is that you dont want to accept the truth, first of all learn how to take responsibilities dont push the blame to Lugard, when the issue of independence started in 1957 the North made it very clear that they don't want to be part of Nigeria it was your tribal man Nnamdi Azikiwe that champion the campaign that the North should be made part of Nigeria may be because the Northern agriculture played a substantial role in moving Nigeria economy. In 1958 there was this story that when a meeting was conveyed in lagos the Northerners again stated that they were not ready for independence the South agreed that they will wait for the North when the North was ready Nigeria will push for independence that was why Nigeria had her independence in 1960 not 1957 or 1958 as earlier wanted.Go and read this book titled "There was a country" read between pages 50 to 55. The book was written by your tribal man Chenua Achebe.We all know that you Igbos are looking for independence because you cannot produce a president in the present Nigeria and you also want to dominate and subdue minority tribes that will fall within your so called biafra map.

.We all know that you Igbos are looking for independence because you cannot produce a president in the present Nigeria and you also want to dominate and subdue minority tribes that will fall within your so called biafra map.
I can agree with what you said except the:

We all know that you Igbos are looking for independence because you cannot produce a president in the present Nigeria and you also want to dominate and subdue minority tribes that will fall within your so called biafra map.


It is true that when the issue of independence came, the North were not ready. Even Awolowo was ready to move ahead but was stopped by Zik. These are all historical facts no Igbo disputes. Zik, an Igbo man who was born in the North , Educated in America and engaged in much of his political struggles in Lagos had great hoped that a unified Nigeria. Of the three main leaders of pre indepedence Nigeria, Awolowo, Ahmadu bello and Zik, only Zik can be said to have lived and interacted amongst the the 3 main wthnic groups and lived at one time or the other in all 6 Geo-political areas we have today. So it should be no surprise if such a man was Pan African and pro 'one Nigeria'.

The presidency of Nigeria at this point time means nothing to Igbos. It won't help them same was it didn't help either Hausa or Yorubas who have held it before. If an Igbo man becomes president of Nigeria, I feel sorry for him because everything he does will be seen from an ethnic colouration. If GEJ who isn't from any of the the 3 majorities could not impress the North despite more for them than he did for his own Niger Delta, what hope has an Igbo man? I'm not even praying that an Igbo man will become president of Nigeria even though I'm an Igbo man. If Ironsi who was president of Nigeria 50 years ago can still be scorned just because he was Igbo, even though most of those who came after him where much worse and still praised...............hmmmmmmmmmm

Aigbofa:
Full blown unitary rule started the day the decree 34 was promulgated by Ironsi. Aburi Accord was only an agreement that never came to fruition. How was the decree 34 overturned in Aburi? Only the Nigerian government could have repealed it.

Full blown unitary rule did not start the day Ironsi enacted. We had 4 regions, resource control and fiscal policy was in force. Today, we don't fiscal policy, we don't have resource control and have no regions (the so called SW/SS/SE isn't recognised by the constitution). So if what decree 34 was full blown unitary rule, what do you say about what we have now? Aburi accord was an agreement that reached fruition. Gowon and Ojukwu signed the agreement in front of the president of Ghana. The pictures and video are on YouTube. So how didn't it reach fruition? The Aburi agreement overturned decree 34, Google it and stop asking stupid questions. At aburi, when Ojukwu spoke, he reminded everyone there that they were all there when they agreed to decree 34, it was a collective deduction taken by the supreme military council.

TheBiafran:
ONWA ABUO GARA AGA!
biko bia debanye aha gi
anyi choro ka ebeahu kporo oku ka odi na mbu!
i denye aha, biko na ewetakwara anyi akuko uwa ndi nke di ohuru! CHUKWU GOZIE GI!

Nsogbu adighi, anam abiaghachi. Agam eme ka ndi eyim kwenyere na Biafra mara.

Chukwu Gozie gi, Nwachukwu!

logicab:
Guy, most of your post had no real point; but I had to correct this. Yes, we had the Federal Civil Service and we ALSO had the Regional Civil Sevice in each region. With Decree 34 all regional civil services were abolished and basically merged into a humongous, monolithic civil service. That's all for now.

Then you didn't read decree 34 well because if you did, you know that the four regions that existed then still had resource control fiscal features and a high degree of autonomy. How was it possible to merge all 4 Regions together in that situation? Yes there was Regional service, but there was no way a person could have left one regional service for the other unless by special appointment or loan. If you say otherwise, state the section of decree 34 that says otherwise and give one example where it happend. Reading Yoruba based propaganda is easy but proving it is another thing.

TheBiafran:
umunnem ekelem unu nke ukwuu maka na ndi be anyi kwuru si na anyukoo mamiri onu, ogbaa ufuf! ya mere, ejim ohere a na ayo unu nile bu ndi igbo na agu ihe m nede ugbua ka unu biakota onu, jikoo aka onu ihu na anyi ga na akwado onye nke anyi mgbe obula! biko nu, oga amasim ma ofu onye n'ime anyin mepee ihe ndi oyibo kporo FB group /page ebe anyi nile ga na akpakorita uka nihe gbasara odimma anyinwa bu NDIGBO!
maka ndi na amatabeghi, B!/a/f/r/a/ re/p/u/b/l/ic./c/om.... abiaghachigo n'uzo di egwu..... biko nu umunnem, gbalia nu hu na unu denyere aha unu n'ebeahu ka anyi nwee ike i na ekwu ihe diri anyi oge obula na atughi egwu mmadu ikpochi akountu anyi dika esi eme ya na nairaland./
ka udo CHUKWU OKIKE ABIAMA diri unu n'ile n'otu n'otu
ISE ISEE ISEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IGBO NDI NWEM, EKENEKWAM UNU OZO!!

Kedu mgbe o biaghachiri?

T8ksy:
And my own important question is, giving what you stated above about the north killing ibos in their region "Why then was it that, (of the 3 major groups in the country) only zik and his fellow ibo people were singing the song of One nigeria to high heavens"?

The north have never hidden their hatred for the south most especially the ibos yet the ibos were the only one then proposing the notion of One (united) Nigeria. They even adorned Zik (the 1st president of the ibo state union), the fake garb of Nigeria Nationalism. Zik in is his usual sly manner was preaching Pan Africanism when he can't even maintain unity (of any meaningful purpose) within his own backyard.


The 1st coup as someone rightly pointed out earlier was an ibo coup within an ibo coup. Hence there was no surprises when Ironsi, the ibo beneficiary of a supposedly-failed ibo coup then went one to enact laws and decrees that are aligned with the NCNC manifestos-a truly ibo party, one of which is Decree 34.

Ojukwu was all for decree 34 as he was out the following day in his chest-beating fashion blabbing away at how he intend to "export" his people to the north most especially to compete for civil service posts with the well-known educationally-challenged hausa/fulanis

I don't think anyone could have blamed Zik for fighting for a United Nigeria. Zik could not have known that 'one Nigeria' was going to be an absolute disaster, he is not a soothsayer. Even today , You will still find many people especially amongst Yorubas and Hausas echoing 'we are better off united ', 'Nigeria will be a great country', 'united we are great' which are the same sentiments as what Zik was preaching.

Ironsi promulgated decree 34, a lot of people criticised him for this. But it is interesting that less 10 months after Ironsi enacted that decree, Ojukwu went to Aburi and overturned it, even getting a confederation. But when the Northerners now removed the Aburi agreement and announced full blown unitary rule, none of those who criticised Ironsi went on to criticise Gowon. So it is fair to criticise an Igbo man bringing in unitary rule but everybody keeps quiet when a Northerners does the same? This is sheer hypocrisy. This talk about Ojukwu sending his people to take over Northern positions is funny. Anyone in the federal service can be sent to work in any part of the country, that rule has always applied even to this day.

As for this talk that the January 15th coup was an 'Igbo' coup, if non Igbo participants of that coup such Major Ademoyega, Captain Adeleke and Lt Oyewole can all come out and say that it was not an Igbo coup, need I say more?

southpole:
The North also showed the Igbos that if you think you can kill other peoples kinsmen and have peace it means you have the highest form of human stupidity.

Really? And so when the North were killing Igbos in the Kano massacre of 1945, the Jos riots of 1953, long before the coup of January 1966? It then means that Igbos were justified to kill them back. But in this is the important question Igbos have been asking for a long time. Since it is now known that we have been killing each other since Lugard brought us together, what is the point of being together? That's one question non of the Northern apologists have never been able to answer

ManMountain:
Igbos actually showed the sweetness of the Unitary system to the North and they've perfected the use.

If the above is true, the who is to be blamed for unitary rule we practice today? If someone introduces you to smuggling and you make a career of smuggling, who is to be blamed when you get caught? The person who introduced you to it or your self?

southpole:
Ojukwu was pushed by the Igbo tribalistic hormone of I must be the head not really to restore true federalism, why didn't he advice Ironsi against demolishing it in the first place? and he never mention it even once during the so called Aburi accord

If read the transcripts of the Aburi accord, you would know that Ojukwu did mention it.

southpole:
sorry and very unfortunate that you Igbos will go to any length to justify the foolish actions of your brothers. If you really know what true federalism is, then you should know that you don't get it outside your shores. assuming you are right why didnt ojukwu implement it in 3 years of biafra? may be that was why he killed Emmanuel Ifeajuna

Funny. You guys are more interested in who introduced unitary rule but careless about those have kept it going for 50 years. Sweet reasoning. Anything to please the Northern madters. I'm glad Ojukwu fought, if anything, it told the North that not everyone is willing to be their slaves.

Uteghe:
Ipob is gradually graduating into a pseudo-religious cult. A member of the separatist sect claims Kanu is Lord and that he worships his pic daily. Below is the screen grab.

Why did you start this thread to twist what the guy said? Or can't you read? He asked who someone is insulting God and Kanu. He is talking about two entities.

southpole:
[size=14pt]It is this same Igbo man that destroyed the True federalism Tafawa Balewa was operating, and now IPOBs and Avengers are crying for the same true federalism their brother destroyed[/size]

And when Ojukwu got back that 'true federalism' at Aburi, who are the people who fought Ojukwu to make sure that we still practice unitary rule to this day?

Suurulere:
Are you saying Ironsi knew nothing about the coup?

Of course Ironsi knew nothing about the coup. Those who conducted the coup were from the ranks of major downwards and Ironsi escaped death by the whiskers because he was on there hitlist. Why would Ironsi wait for a coup were he was a target to start before fighting the same coup?

APC supporters make me laugh. They are happy about winning a senatorial seat in Imo state, meanwhile, the country has become much worse than when PDP was in power. Pretty much a case of someone who is drowning but is happy that the wate tastes good.

Rejoinder

While it is not a good thing for Military officers to conduct coups, especially against democratically Goverments, the Nzeogwu coup happend at a time of national distress.

The coup took Ironsi by surprise, he was never part of it. Infact, Ironsi put down the voup in Lagos and ensured it faliure

3. The two main reasons given for killing Ironsi is that he did not try the coup plotters and that he promulgated decree 34 which centralised Government. These reasons are indeed silly. There are many coups that have been conducted in the past, both inside and outside Nigeria, were it took longer than six months to bring the perpetrators to book. So, killing Ironsi because he didn't try the perpetrators within the shortest time is ridiculous. As for decree 34, Military Government practices 'true federalism'

4. The second coup was far more bloody and was the perfect excuse for the North to step and control Nigeria via the same unitary system the accused Ironsi of