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bentenny:
The most important thing is that Bamidele admitted just like others that a forfeiture happened!
A simple definition of Civil forfeiture implies a crime actually transpired......

onuman:
There were more than one FBI agents that sat on Tinubu's drug trafficking offences, found him guilty, and arrived at the verdict of punishment for the offences through his forfeiture of the drug trafficking money.
The many FBI agents who sat on the case constituted a JURY.

Novarisammy2:
they re currently serving jail terms in prison for conniving with kidnappers

Novarisammy2:
a rich politician that needed your account to be depositing money


it's alright

Novarisammy2:
a guy escorted his friend to get his ATM card. when the guy got to the bank, police arrested and the guy he came with

do u know why?
that account was used to collect 500k from a kidnapped victim.

how tell me again , why did they arrest the two guys? they re not the kidnappers. infact the second guy only escorted his good friend to get his ATM

Novarisammy2:
rich relatives that paid up to 500 thousand dollars in my account as far back as 1992?

do u know that there are top civil servants whose gross annual salary is around 50 thousand dollars in the USA?

Novarisammy2:
let me start keeping monies then for criminals living in the ghettos in my state


I won't be prosecuted if they get arrested. you have given me that assurance

Novarisammy2:
why was Doyin okupe convicted for money laundering?

was the said money his own? no
so why did the court find him guilty of such when the said money was given to him by the national security advisor?

lastly, so what u re saying in essence is that I can start keeping proceeds I don't know it's sources for people without worrying of being prosecuted if it is later discovered that those proceeds was from drugs, armed robbery, kidnapping, terrorist, cyber crime, 419??

Shantyken:
Pls u will post the application for expungement for us.

kokomilala:
@GeneralPula, the mentally deficient would never grasps what you're trying to say. They are so blinded by stupidity to see reason.

I had read what Bamidele said before. What he said today is not new. He merely stated the obvious- it was not a criminal case.

The wailers think Bamidele is as stupid as them. How on earth did he betray Tinubu by his testimony?

Novarisammy2:
so I can keep stolen items with me and when caught , the matter will be treated as a civil case?


so I can harbour guns for robbers, keep kidnapped victims in my house even the kidnapping was not done by me and even keep millions of dollars for terrorists and won't be charged for aiding and abetting criminals?

why is it that the penalties given for accomplice of criminals ends up getting heavier sentences?

Shantyken:
They didn't read to where the bolded was mentioned abeg no mind them.

1stGenAmerican:
Thanks. That’s exactly what I’m going to do. I tried discussing this objectively but I see that it’s useless.

M4A1carbine:
Who is Mr. Bonner?

See why I say it constantly that you people are the worst Propagandist ever?

Mr. Bonner, wrote a letter and you are finding it difficult to use him as a star witness?

With the way you use fake names and even fake accounts to push Propaganda,I can bet $100,000 that the Bonner person is actually a Junkie in the USA that created the Bonner identity for Propaganda.

It's your normal operandi and people don't buy that Nonsense.

Bonner ko .. hard-on ni....spits

1stGenAmerican:
You’re right. This all started when the DEA set up a sting operation which netted Tinubu and his co-defendants. I’m realizing that some of these monikers don’t understand sealing or expunging records after a criminal conviction.
The forfeiture of drug proceeds stems from criminal cases.

M4A1carbine:
The issue with these Tinubu supporters is that in a bid to defend or sound morally sound, they indict themselves with obvious lack of knowledge of events.

As you rightly said the operation is a DEA affair, but the useless (SAN) wannabes of Nairaland will be asking questions that truly call to question their brain processing Power.

These are the useful idiots Politicians use to propagate Nonsense and their uneducated and gullible followers will cheer them foolishly.

Thanks for exposing the foolishness of that misfit.

1stGenAmerican:
He was in the US when he was indicted, in the state of Illinois to be precise. I’m not going to argue with you about something that I’m sure of.
Godspeed.

1stGenAmerican:
He was in the US when he was indicted, in the state of Illinois to be precise. I’m not going to argue with you about something that I’m sure of.
Godspeed.

1stGenAmerican:
Expungement seals/deletes records, making them inaccessible. People file expungements so that that criminal records can’t be produced.

1stGenAmerican:
I’m not going in circles at all. Extradition wasn’t necessary because he was already here in the US.

1stGenAmerican:
Expungement seals/deletes records, making them inaccessible. People file expungements so that that criminal records can’t be produced.

M4A1carbine:
The primary agency for drug related offences in the USA at federal level is the DEA. Stop disgracing ya sef here.

The confession of Bamidele has further smashed Tinubu. Stop narrative twisting. It won't work.

1stGenAmerican:
Just because he entered the US doesn’t mean that he wasn’t convicted or sentenced. Expungement removes visa roadblocks stemming from criminal records. The records are now sealed, only the forfeiture remains.
Why was there a case and how could it have dented his career unless it was criminal? A case has to have origins and this didn’t start as a civil matter. The forfeiture was a judicial forfeiture stemming from a criminal case.

M4A1carbine:
All these useless Olanikpekun (SAN) wannabes.

A straight case of forfeiture of drug proceeds has just been proven by Bamidele. He was an APC witness who was brought in as an American trained lawyer to come and save a drowning Tinubu.

He instead, Nailed the Agbado Lord totally by admittance of the fact truly the forfeiture was DRUG related. As long as the case is drug related, Ogbeni Tinubu has just indicted himself.


So all these lowlife Olanikpekun (SANs) on Nairaland should just rest. Tinubu will be booted out. Keep playing with your kindergarten Propaganda...mtcheeew!

Badgers14:
Even during Ronald Reagans tenure with his war on drugs approach..

There were plea deals in drug cases..

Again, everything depends on the circumstances and facts surrounding a case.. what prosecutors have to work with....

1stGenAmerican:
In the majority of drug cases, when there’s a judicial forfeiture, the defendant is prosecuted and sentenced—this case included. The forfeiture can mean a lighter jail sentence but that’s not guaranteed. There’s no proof that he wasn’t convicted or that he didn’t serve time because a successful expungement seals the records from a criminal case, including sentencing and time served.
The question people should be asking is why someone who wasn’t convicted of a crime file for an expungement of his records. 😏

Badgers14:
'Supposedly' that's hypothetical.

Again, recall in one of my posts I mentioned the guidelines 30 years ago and now are not usually the same..
Again, there might be other circumstances surrounding a case that are not captured in court papers or maybe it was captured..

All we see online was the final disposition of the case and not the court transcript of what happened day to day in court and during investigation of the case.

Badgers14:
How big is big??

This happens all the time..

Depending on the complexity of the case and the records of the suspect..

1stGenAmerican:
Once again, I don’t have any stake in this but Tinubu filed for and was granted an expungement—how can people say that he was not prosecuted or convicted if the records from the case were expunged?

Novarisammy2:
In Abacha v F.R.N. 2014 6 N.W.L.R. part 1402 Page 43 per Kekere-Ekun JSC and Ariwoola JSC (now CJN), the Supreme Court quoted the definition of Forfeiture in Black’s Law Dictionary 8th & 9th Edition thus: “1. The
divestiture of property without compensation. 2.
The loss of a right, privilege or property because
of a crime, breach of obligation or neglect of duty”. The Apex Court further held that: "Therefore, forfeiture connotes punishment for a crime committed, and it’s effect is instantaneous”.

Badgers14:
I never said their was.

The purpose of my post was to say that it could be a possibility.

Also plea deal are 'not always' advertised in court documents..

Recall, the court case was over 30 years ago and the guidelines then and now are not always the same.

Badgers14:
I am not arguing with anyone..
I just stated my opinion... you can state yours as well and we can always agree to disagree..

In real life scenario, prosecutors often offers a plea deal with a suspect.. basically if you make their life easy... they make yours easy as well..

Someone that was picked up as a suspect in a crime depending on the complexity of the case and the corporation of the suspect.. prosecution sometimes offer them a soft landing..