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bidexiii:
Yeah.
That's why this type of war is a very difficult and defferent type of game. You can't attack or order a strike on them when they're have mingled with the civilian population in the community.
That's why we need those drones, monitor them and keep a close eye on them. Theyll later leave in tranches one after the other to meet at a particular choosen area. Then you can decide on how to prosecute them.

The kind of clothes/uniform they wear should be able to tell the army these people are coming enmasse. Humint should be able to do that I guess.

bidexiii:
ISWAP attacks yobe community kills policemen and burn UN facilities.

One thing that constantly keeps me incensed is the ability of these guys to move in large numbers with their al-shabab styled uniforms without any Intel on them. Somehow, there are people incapable of doing there jobs in the upper echelon of the army and that has been transferred to the people in the field. The army needs to up it's game on Intel and sitrep. What the eff!

BlackBaron:
Pot calling kettle black. Your past history of ethnic bashing should have seen you excluded from this thread.
[b]Apparently a Police officer too, [/b]LOL.

This is exactly where we've found ourselves as a nation. I wonder what she says or does when she's amongst like minded police officers. Police officers like her treat cases based on tribalism.

People coming here to write for or against IPOB, Biafra or Nigeria will not change anything.Out of almost 200 million Nigerians, I doubt if we've 1000 visiting this thread. I see a trend were some people with an agenda come here trying to change opinions or take advantage of our national fault lines to write thrash and spew hatred, goading people to take up arms, meanwhile, they are in the comfort of their homes somewhere abroad. If the shit hits the fan and you ask them to come fight, their reply will only be a contribution of meagre sums of money. My take is simply this: if you think you need war to actualize whatever that you want, please go out and join whatever faction that will serve your purpose, they need more manpower,stop wasting your time here. And a reminder, some people here still use their God given brains, they still use it to think,unbiased.

DubaiLandLord1:
IPOB have been protesting peacefully all this while, the Nigerian military and police will harras, arrest, torture and kill their members for no reason. Where in the world can such a thing be accepted?

Hundreds of IPOB members have been killed extra judiciary before the creation of ESN.

Imagine if Spanish government do unleash soldiers and policemen on cataluyans. Or make a Spanish police chief talk the kin talk wey the daft IGP talk.

The English have more right to hold on to the Scottish people, but they made them have a referendum. They didn't send soldiers and policemen to kill Scottish protesting peacefully.

But for Nigeria, Police and soldiers go unleash hell on peaceful IPOB protesters for no sensible reason. We saw videos and pictures of what happened in Oyigbo.

Kanu don talk say dem go kill his men, his men will also kill security personnel... So make we see who go get the upper hand at the end

Cos of the bolded. Have you read about the Northern Ireland conflict and bloody Sunday? You always make it seem as if the British or western countries are all saints.
P. S I'm not in support of how the govt handles issues.

This is the reality here. Some think they know or read better than the rest. Trying to create an orwellian type of environment. Mtcheeew.

Truthshots2:
Some of these stories are mere rumours. The terrorists are Muslims so I don't see why they would be killing someone whose only crime is being Muslim.

Fake news.
You guys are too gullible.

Most of these bandits/fulani herdsmen have no religion. I've heard a fulani man(not a bandit) saying he doesn't have a religion and he isn't a muslim. It's like that with most of them in the bush. Majority of the fulani muslims are the one's living in towns/villages /cities.

SamuelAnyawu:
But who are the Army SF?

Are they the guys I see here with black T-shirts that has a picture of a skull and knife in its mouth

Or

The guys I see very few in a battalion with a different unique camo holding both Thuraya and radios?

?

Blueelf:
We don;t have SF and I have said it times without number on other threads. Those guys masquerading as SF after 3 - 4 months "rush rush" training are not SF. SF soldiers take at least 6 - 9 months to train (at least because in some countries, it takes 2 years). Besides, our SF are poorly funded (only the NAF tries in this regard) but the NA SF is an eyesore.

Guy I tire o.

Odunayaw:
Do you understand what SF or special ops is or you have only pictures of Hollywood and Gucci gear in your mind. Because if you did you would understand the number part.

All you just talked about is Comms availability which in itself there is clear shortage of. It's visible to all.
Now, when I talk comms I'm talking about its activities, equipment, techniques, and tactics. Efficiency and security in [b] relaying information up and down the chain of command. [/b]

If you think NA has no problem in this regard I must leave you to amuse yourself

When I read your reply I just had to have a big lmao. You made the allusion about numbers and I had to ask to be educated but typically your answer was just all about everywhere. No point made.

Now it has come from no comms to shortage of it. Gradually we are all getting to the truth. The bolded part is what I had expected us to be talking about, not "NA not having comm equipment".

Odunayaw:
The lack of cohesion and fighting skills of the regular infantry doesn't in anyway dismiss the fact NA has comms issues.

Furthermore, what do you mean "SF are actually not SF". What " normal army unit" takes the fight in small numbers against a superior numbered enemy, does recon etc etc?

You mean to tell me what we call SF take the war to the enemy in small numbers? And doing that makes them SF? Lol. Give me an idea of your "small numbers please",I might understand you better. Oga we don't have any comms problems cos I've seen many on vids/pix go out on operations with comms. The Mainok issue that people were talking about lack of comms, how were they able to request for additional forces? How did they request for NAF CAS, and how did they know the requested additional forces were on the way coming, how did they know there was blue on blue and they had to withdraw. Did they use smoke/drum signal or sent the fastest one's amongst them?

I noticed some people talking about lack of comms equipment and other tools for the current regression on the fight against terrorism. The simple reason is the lack of fighting skills amongst the infantry men as a unit e.g squad or a platoon and also lack of discipline. Tactics is no different from what we've used in the civil and at par with what ISWAP is doing. They are even doing it and evolving better than us. What we call SF are actually not SF, they are normal army units just better trained, disciplined and imbibed with normal combat skill sets, fighting as an integral unit. Until they go back to the drawing board and be serious on churning out DISCIPLINED and well trained men then we keep on going in circles. And again I noticed people saying the army is overstretched. What is the size of the NA? How many men are in the NE? How many are deployed in every flash point in Nigeria? We need to make a manpower audit cos some people might be diverting surplus salary.

ariesbull:
Can't the negro man evolve...look around you an see the mess we are in


What the hell is wrong with the negro

At every point of people's /states /nations life's there must be a struggle for there to be an evolution. Me thinks that the problem here is not really about Nigeria but the mindset of it's people first and then the leaders. The agitation for a Biafran homeland is not impossible, but how do you go about it. It's possible with a forceful agitation and at what cost. If there should be a referendum, seeing as how the Nigerian political landscape is, will it be free and fair? Let's also know that their are many Igbo people big or small,rich or poor, educated and uneducated that have invested very much on this project called Nigeria and you expect them to lay down tools and start all over again? Go to Abuja, check all the hotels, plazas, houses and estates, ask about the owners, e go shock you. Go to other states in the North and West, same thing,investments everywhere. Why? Cos they are Nigerians.

ariesbull:
When I read his here...I realise the reason blacks are at the bottom of totem pole....something is fundamentally wrong with black man

A group of people have been marginalised, maligned and called 7%

They be made it clear they want out or a level of autonomy


Can't we copy from whites the way they handled the British in EU

can't we call for dialogue ...why must the black man do gragra

Ask the south east what they want them meet them at middle ground


Igbo are pretty stubborn from 1967 till date they habe been angry ...I mean generational Ange why cant the country engage them in conversation.


This is what right thinking People do...not these gagragra


What is wrong with the negro man ?

You seem to be a novice or ignorant about the Nigerian political, social and cultural landscape. Because of that I will excuse your diatribe,but for you to ask "what is wrong with the negro man?", you need a re-education, this is not meant to be taken as an insult but an opportunity for self reflection and education about Nigeria and the world at large. Read about the Irish and Scottish struggle against the British or majorly about European history. I assure that you will shudder at what this so called Caucasians or occidentsls have done to the world.

Unsurprisingly I see two camps here arguing for or against the "gunmen" in the south east,mostly the Igbo's for (not all) and other people against. There are good reasons for the agitation but the way they are going about it is wrong. If what is happening right now should spiral out of control (God forbid), I pity the people in the south east. There's no assurance that they will be able to achieve what they want but one thing is surely constant in wars, that place will be laid waste and lives will be lost. How do you rebuild? Even on this faceless forum, we are at each others neck, let's calm down for a minute and try to proffer peaceful solutions. Those in support of the deployment of the army and those supporting the activities of the gunmen are in the comfort of their homes with a phone or laptop stoking the embers of war but will be the first to run to the border as refugees (dem no want fight but dey push other people to go die). Finally, an eye for an eye makes everyone blind.

Covert1:
Like I have the time. The Kenyan just bailed. First you were neutral which I rebutted because if you were you wouldn't struggle to sleep at night because you read on Nairaland Nigeria excels South Africa as a strategic regional military power in sub-saharan Africa. The average Nigerian knows the bias and prejudice of other Africans against them even if the Nigerians are the ones you will still call if your roof catches fire. I know you don't like the sound of that but it's the fact and a reality you must live with it.

Why you dey waste your time? Some of these foreign guys dey two faced. I see through every of their shroud on this and the other thread.

bidexiii:
This guys are good are negative propaganda !
The Armed forces and the NAF has already gave them a befitting military burial at Abuja, please what else do they want !
They should attend a personal requiem service organized by on of the officers religious bodies, that means for every soldier that died in the Northeast, the military would attend each and every service organized to honour them after the full military honorary burials.

Bidexii, it doesn't take away anything from them if they send just one representative. I'm sure if it were to be one of these military top brass you will always see the solidarity,even from people wey e no concern at all.

JOSCOFELIX:
Thank your sir for being the first person to apperaciate when many other insulting me and saying i am mad

No mind them. Next time, just post your "Intel report", without any fear.

motymop:
It is hard to exchange knowledge with Nigerians.

It is always abuse from abuse, if you don't disagree with someone can you simply write that you don't agree, which one is i am dumb, i don't believe in what i wrote, i am saying nonsense and all sort of rubbish, for your information, it doesn't make logical sense. Must you always show that you are aggressive and angry.

Back to the topic.

1) Boko haram had over 100k members, pls go to YouTube and check Muhammad yusuf preaching and then see the numbers of people listening to him, so it will easy to get 5k who wants to fight for the sect...Muhammed Yusuf was so popular that even your present minister of Technology ISA PATAMI interviewed him and was closed to him.

Was boko haram used as a means to get vote? Yes.
After election, the governor saw no use of them and then went against them, no wonder, they took up weapons, i still stand with my point, the police escalated the issue.

2) Boko haram and Al-Shabaab are 2 different groups with different ideologies and there was never a time they merge together, boko haram didn't come from al Qaeda, it was formed on its own since 2002 and idealogy was strictly the taliban method, al shabaab was formed in 2006 after the break down of the islamic court in somalia.

These people were already an authority unto themselves just like how Shiite were operating at Gyelesu, Kongo Zaria.

motymop:
It is hard to exchange knowledge with Nigerians.

It is always abuse from abuse, if you don't disagree with someone can you simply write that you don't agree, which one is i am dumb, i don't believe in what i wrote, i am saying nonsense and all sort of rubbish, for your information, it doesn't make logical sense. Must you always show that you are aggressive and angry.

Back to the topic.

1) Boko haram had over 100k members, pls go to YouTube and check Muhammad yusuf preaching and then see the numbers of people listening to him, so it will easy to get 5k who wants to fight for the sect...Muhammed Yusuf was so popular that even your present minister of Technology ISA PATAMI interviewed him and was closed to him.

Was boko haram used as a means to get vote? Yes.
After election, the governor saw no use of them and then went against them, no wonder, they took up weapons, i still stand with my point, the police escalated the issue.

2) Boko haram and Al-Shabaab are 2 different groups with different ideologies and there was never a time they merge together, boko haram didn't come from al Qaeda, it was formed on its own since 2002 and idealogy was strictly the taliban method, al shabaab was formed in 2006 after the break down of the islamic court in somalia.

These people were already an authority unto themselves just like how Shiite were operating at Gyelesu Kongo Zaria.

Fynline:
Bro I like u, but try and filter information before u share. You have to read alot about military stuff so u can ask the right questions and even when your informant is ignorant you can help his ignorance.

NB
I still tend to believe that a good number of our officers are not well versed in weapons and defence equipment, that is what is simply playing out here.

Absolute truth.

JOSCOFELIX:
ogas calm down. me i was shock when i heard this but i latter understood what he meant. this my guy information hardly fail. a nuclear weapon air strike is a bomb drop from a jet to a particular location. this is not icbm or atomic bomb. my guy said it was the bomb ordered by the former caf he say the bomb have ablity to discharge nuclear abiity and he said the former spectat jauger nuclear air strike weapon are still working.this what i heard

Thank you for all the information, WELL DONE SIR!

JOSCOFELIX:
MOVEMENT OF TERRORIST TO BENIN REPUBLIC FROM BURKINA FASO.
from my intelligent report i have in with. they are movement of isis from Burkina Faso to benin republic. this fighter have plan to attack Benin republic chad and southern nigeria, and this was the main reason why the president of Benin republic visit nigeria, during is visit he ask for the help of the nigeria military to strike their training camp between the northern border of Benin and burkina faso. and that was why he said that nigerbia should have relationship with benin like a 37 state of nigeria. i call to people in benin republic in the northern axis, and they said that isis have being training in the border region for more than a year. that the last time benin republic solider tried attacking them they lost a lot of solider. according to intel infromation the training camp is armed with anti aircraft and have fighter from syria, and middle east and sheal region.he said they have been attacking burkina faso solider and police. he said they have notice the movement os this fighter of recent from the northerni axis going to the east and wester axis. he said the benin solider could not attack them because of the heavy weapon they were carrting. please i am begging my southern brother and sister to be watchful because i had they are already in nigeria. the gani adam and some yoruba chief are aware. the military intelligent are aware. please if you see something say something, nigeria unite against terrorism. this is my report.

If this is true, why are they coming to Nigeria for help? We've enough trouble in our hands already. They should reach out to big daddy France. If na to loot Benin Republic money now na France e dey go keep am. The best we can do right now is to have a blocking force at our western border, unfortunately, we've leaders that are not proactive. Wetin I dey write sef, na the same category all the leaders dey.

KingAzubuike:
You've always had a bad reputation for posting gory pictures about Boko Haram but will never post that of the Nigerian army.

Why is BH not posting pictures of their dead jihadists?

youghs:
He says what he hears, if you have a different story kindly use it to counter his own. This thing no hard

Truly e no hard as you talk am. Go back and read again what I wrote cos according to intelligence report e be like you no understand am.

JOSCOFELIX:
Remember i said the military was advancing to lake chad On Saturday. I heard over 13bag of rice was capture from iswap and tea material. Land mine material and 7 guntruck. I heard that the military in damasak knew iswap was advancing to there base and they took defensive position at about 3.16 pm which the commandaing officer gave order to is men to laid abmush on them and was assisted with air task force. The commandaing officer early hour of this morning track the iswap movement to a place and order his men go after them iswap. Just now i heard over 100 military vehicle heard being deployed including mbt, mrap the CDs and the cas have order the solider to clear island 10 before on Monday. Please let pray for our men as they advancing to deep forest of lake chad. According to Intel iswap is running shortage of ammunition and they are trying to overun a base and to loot they ammunition the CDs gave order to the troop to hold their base with all equipment necessary and never a gain will iswap disloge them from their base
Pray our troop as they advance to deep lake chad

@JOSCO, I will need you to calm down a little bit, take a breath and read what you just wrote. "according to Intel", which Intel? If it's very easy to get intelligence report on a current war the NA is fighting from the NA, and then post it here, my people we are done. The "intelligence report" you dey always get na market women gist wey dey easily move around. Just write your gist without the "intelligence report". Meanwhile, some of your "intelligence report" dey accurate sha.

@Lurker4Long, It's a very short video. And it played from the end(result of the pursuit) to a part of the pursuit.The video didn't even show us how it all started, how they made contact,and you are deducing and expecting personnel to block escape routes?Based on this video you made me wonder if the other personnel responding to the comms is using drums or smoke signal.There was more than one vehicle used, the other for support,situations like these are always fluid.

The "tactical withdrawal", I would've agreed with you if it was a one off thing but it seem to be the Nigerian army language when overwhelmed or defeated. How do you tactically withdraw leaving scarce hardware behind and civilians that have supported you to the mercies of the insurgents. Bureaucracy is in every organisation, even the best militaries, but they are effective.

Whyem15:
Most of us in the country don't give a f*ck what happens to the country and how we can influence it for good, we only care about our own personal interests. In short, patriotism really doesn't exist in Nigeria. And the greed and selfishness will be the end of us.

Apart from the above, one shouldn't expect a professional army to be as fluid as militias and terrorist groups etc because of bureaucracy and red tapism and the thousands of other problems that will normally plague an organized sector.


As for the other questions, the reason this war isn't nearly over yet is lack of will. Government isn't really interested as they should be.

And then, I really don't see any reasonable tactical advantage for the terrorists in overrunning military bases and capturing garrisoned towns that they will eventually have to withdraw from because they can't keep it. If I were in the same position as the Brigadier general, and I'm sure the cost of successfully defending the town will be too high, I would retreat in good order too(leaving little to nothing for the terrorists to loot in my Armoury though) and return back when the terrorists are done burning buildings and have withdrawn.
Tactically, there is really no sense in fighting every battle, there are some you withdraw from so that you can have the upper edge in other unavoidable ones.
What exactly did ISWAP achieve tactically with those attacks? Yes, they resupplied themselves and all but it the airforce will destroy some of the caches later.

The major objective of the two terrorists groups in Nigeria is to establish caliphates that they will govern and rule themselves, with the hope of expanding with time. The military has denied them that at least for now, what the terrorists are doing currently are sting attacks to let the world know they are still very capable and are still existing and also for their survival.
What should be concerning here is that the military heirachy seems to be contented with denying them that alone which shouldn't be. Their primary objective alongside other governmental organizations should be ensuring absolute peace and stability.

A professional army should be able to adapt and adopt new doctrines and equipment. After so many years I believe we shouldn't be talking about this. Unconventional or irregular warfare.  We have to stop pretending that we will find adversaries that play by "conventions" or are in any way "regular." It's just warfare and there may be varying scales of intensity, but we need to adjust the mindset, be fluid and adapt, that what makes militaries prevail in battle.

JOSCOFELIX:
. They are many thing thatcause this problem. 1. equipment. 2. leadership 3. intellgent info. many time i ask some military offical they tell me this are theremain problem

I might slightly agree with type of equipment been employed but not with equipment as a whole. The Nigerian military have more firepower than ISWAP. And it should be harder dislodging defended and dug in positions but we see ISWAP doing it easily.

@SamuelAnyawu, houses are not only being built in Abuja, Kaduna and Lagos alone, they are doing it in Anambra, Imo, Rivers and many more states. The ruling class are from every part of Nigeria, their language is to divide, rule and steal.
@Wheym15, why do you think the military is not fluid in it's tactics? Why are we most times on the defensive or "tactically withdrawing" and attacking after the damage has been done? What is the problem, absence of good leadership, training or equipment?

SamuelAnyawu:
You’ve said it all.

I’m still wondering how Bokoharam with Hilux guntrucks are overrunning Military bases with Battle Tanks, Artillery, APCs.
K9
To be candid something is definitely wrong somewhere.

Where do ISWAP return to after withdrawing from attacks. Do we have aircrafts that watches from the sky? Borno is a flat land and these guys move to their bases freely?

We are not ready to tell ourselves the truth.

Well even when you ask such questions here, many paddies will rather come for your head than allow these questions sink in their minds.

Well Houses must be built in Abuja, Kaduna or Lagos at the expense of our patriot lives.
Poverty full ground Depot go still Dey full

In Nigeria we keep quiet instead of asking the authority questions and demanding answers. The irony of it all is that the ones that were able to demand for good stewardship from the govt and for the military were silenced using the military. I understand that an enlisted has to obey an order,even a wrong order but what happens if he doesn't? Nigerians leave him to his fate, social media and keyboard warriors praise him to high heavens but don't do anything when court martialled and unjustly imprisoned. The problem with Nigeria is a peculiar one, it's not the absence of good leadership (most of them are educated and know the right thing to do but they know they will get away with every impunity) but a followership that is bad, docile and divided within these fault lines of religion, nepotism and tribalism. The ones that are raising up their voices are stifled and termed as paid opposition. Truth be told the Nigerian soldier is not cowardly, most of them in the North East have seen death and faced death eyeball to eyeball but the Nigerian people and Govt have failed them.